IGN (Wii-kly) podcast Manhunt 2 hands-on Shocks the team + much more

I'm not going to apologize for a statement that was neither inflammatory nor incorrect. Unlike a lot of people on this board, I played the original Manhunt and it really is one of the most depraved and violent games ever made. (And I mean that as a compliment) I'm genuinely surprised the Wii is getting a version of the sequel and I think the game will probably be very good but will ultimately sell very poorly. There is a certain demographic that the Wii caters to and while there are certainly plenty of hardcore enthusiasts enjoying the Wii, that doesn't change the fact that this game is the epitome of niche and probably won't appeal to the vast majority of Wii owners.

Grammaton-Cleric

It doesnt have to appeal to all Wii owners, however judging by game sales of last gen, violent games like GTA and Halo sold pretty high, its safe to say that games like Manhunt or even a GTA spin off for the Wii could make it into a more casual machine like the PS2 was last gen, it had the weakest hardware with the most games. Not every PS2 game was geared toward hardcore gamers, casuals like sports and games like GTA, I dont think Manhunt 2 is going to have that much trouble selling on the Wii though. Everyone thinks of the Wii and Nintendo as being a kid friendly company, even though Eternal Darkness was never a kids game last gen, so I think the Wii needs more games aimed towards casuals.

I'm not going to apologize for a statement that was neither inflammatory nor incorrect.Grammaton-Cleric

If what you wrote was exactly what you intended to say, though, then there's nothing to apologize about. 

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- House of the Dead is/was being developed for Wii, but may have been cancelled
dvader654

They saw Resident Evil: UC and said "Aw *bleep*, forget it cancel the game."

I hope you guys are wrong.  I love House of the Dead.  I think what RE:UC has shown so far looks interesting, but I'd still prefer seeing a new HotD as the Wii's lightgun zombie-shooter than RE, which is pretty unproven historically in that genre.

I'll hold out hope that it's only postponed, rather than completely cancelled.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]I'm not going to apologize for a statement that was neither inflammatory nor incorrect.Skylock00

If what you wrote was exactly what you intended to say, though, then there's nothing to apologize about. 

I really don't feel I talked down to anyone. Mantorok was clearly being antagonistic and was, in my opinion, flame baiting. I stand by my position that nothing in that initial post required he address me with such a measured level of disrespect and subdued hostility.  

I'm not trying to derail this thread but I'd like to point out that some of these skirmishes really could be avoided if certain people would learn not to take things so personally and in doing so they would perhaps cease employing a tone that is nothing short of hostile and dismissive. The Wii is a very polarizing product within our little community and it's unrealistic to think debate and different viewpoints won't arise. For my part, I've tried to be equitable with criticisms of all three consoles while retaining an open-minded disposition despite my own strong reservations about Nintendo's new console and company philosophy. By doing so I've enjoyed some really insightful conversations with people who have differing but relevant viewpoints. For me personally, that's the reason this place exists.

That understood, I do sincerely apologize if my initial comment came off as overtly negative. Next time I'll expand my thoughts to clear up any lingering ambiguity.   

I'm not going to apologize for a statement that was neither inflammatory nor incorrect. Unlike a lot of people on this board, I played the original Manhunt and it really is one of the most depraved and violent games ever made. (And I mean that as a compliment) I'm genuinely surprised the Wii is getting a version of the sequel and I think the game will probably be very good but will ultimately sell very poorly. There is a certain demographic that the Wii caters to and while there are certainly plenty of hardcore enthusiasts enjoying the Wii, that doesn't change the fact that this game is the epitome of niche and probably won't appeal to the vast majority of Wii owners.

 

Grammaton-Cleric

I find it funny that some people are already saying with certainty that games like Manhunt 2 won't do well on the Wii due to the system's supposed demographics. While ultraviolent and mature games may done poorly on the gamecube last generation, I think it's much to soon to label the Wii's audience as "kiddie". Besides, judging purely by sales, the Wii would appear to have the highest number of mainstream and casual gamers (usually ppl who have no qualms about games like Manhunt)...masterdeviance

I'm not going to apologize for a statement that was neither inflammatory nor incorrect. Unlike a lot of people on this board, I played the original Manhunt and it really is one of the most depraved and violent games ever made. (And I mean that as a compliment) I'm genuinely surprised the Wii is getting a version of the sequel and I think the game will probably be very good but will ultimately sell very poorly. There is a certain demographic that the Wii caters to and while there are certainly plenty of hardcore enthusiasts enjoying the Wii, that doesn't change the fact that this game is the epitome of niche and probably won't appeal to the vast majority of Wii owners.

 

Grammaton-Cleric

The game doesn't have to appeal to the majority of Wii owners to become a hit. It only needs to sell good enough. Even if the majority of Wii owners were indeed kids, grandparents, and soccer moms who get a kick out of Wii Sports, I still believe there is an audience within the Wii market that hungers for mature-oriented games. Look at Red Steel. That game has been a big seller. Do you think it was grandma and grandpa who bought that game? No, sir. And while Red Steel may seem tame compared to Manhunt 2, its success is indicative that there is a good chunk of the Wii market that demands violent games.

You see I have no problem with Grammatons initial post but what is getting tired is that every thread becomes the same old ongoing debate that we've had for the past year and a bit and that we'll probably still be having several years down the road.

New exciting details of a game have come to light and instead of talking about that we're off on another Wii demographics debate. And I think I can see why some people would get annoyed because usually there is a starting point and then you're off and derailed. As the topic creator seeing virtually no one actually talking about the actual game, is really disheatening.

As the topic creator seeing virtually no one actually talking about the actual game, is really disheatening.gaminggeek

I understand what you mean and I agree, as a huge fan of the original game I'd definitely talk about it, but the IGN guys basically provided nothing. And to be completely honest, I take anything that comes from the likes of MattC with a grain of salt. Reading that, it seems they never even played the original.

To chime in on Manhunt 2's commercial success - I doubt it'll sell all that well regardless of platform simply because it's a game whose extreme subject matter doesn't really appeal to many people.

[QUOTE="gaminggeek"]As the topic creator seeing virtually no one actually talking about the actual game, is really disheatening.UpInFlames

I understand what you mean and I agree, as a huge fan of the original game I'd definitely talk about it, but the IGN guys basically provided nothing. And to be completely honest, I take anything that comes from the likes of MattC with a grain of salt. Reading that, it seems they never even played the original.

To chime in on Manhunt 2's commercial success - I doubt it'll sell all that well regardless of platform simply because it's a game whose extreme subject matter doesn't really appeal to many people.

It was the whole team saying it, MattC, Bozon, Peer and Gerry Block but Bozon in particular who said that apart from Zelda this was one of the only wii games he was so into he had to be torn apart. We'll be getting a feature this week from IGN and the game is releasing pretty soon right? So in a couple of months we can have the whole sales debate with some actual perspective. But yeah I agree, the game is controversial, fairly niche and in any case the PS2 which housed the first game and whose userbase more than 10 times exceeds the wii means that it will sell a lot better there.

From what they said in the podcast we know that it's not just a port with waggle, they imply that. That technically it looks very good, over xbox and slightly under too. That its controls likely mimic killing which is why the crowd was wincing and wondering why the game was on Wii.

We know that the game must be pretty deep and satisfying given a 4 hour playtest and not wanted to let go at the end of the session. And we know that it impressed all the 4 editors of the podcast and the whole IGN offices to boot so at the end of the day we know that it's something to look forward too. (insert smiley - since I'm quick replying)

There's a Nintendo gamers day tommorrow so we should have more stuff to talk about then.

Oooh man I cant beleive im only playing through the original for hte first time now, there is absolutley nothing like this game out there. Forget all the gore for a second, all the hunt and hide gameplay is incredible here, the atmosphere and terror this game can generate is insane. The action keeps steadily ramping up through the missions with the introductiond of more weapons and fire arms, just a brilliant game over all. Part of me wishes this sequel was a ground up build for the PS3 though, the graphical power would REALLY further enhance the atmosphere and horror. Hopefully wiimote based fatalitys will be an ample replacement.GodModeEnabled

You see I have no problem with Grammatons initial post but what is getting tired is that every thread becomes the same old ongoing debate that we've had for the past year and a bit and that we'll probably still be having several years down the road.

New exciting details of a game have come to light and instead of talking about that we're off on another Wii demographics debate. And I think I can see why some people would get annoyed because usually there is a starting point and then you're off and derailed. As the topic creator seeing virtually no one actually talking about the actual game, is really disheatening.

gaminggeek

I'm glad someone else here actually appreciates my thoughts on this, likewise I have no issue with Grammaton's comments, I just felt they were out of context.

But as usual everyone's too quick to jump the gun and subsequently accuse me of taking it personally, give me a break.

We know that the game must be pretty deep and satisfying given a 4 hour playtest and not wanted to let go at the end of the session. And we know that it impressed all the 4 editors of the podcast and the whole IGN offices to boot so at the end of the day we know that it's something to look forward too. (insert smiley - since I'm quick replying)

gaminggeek

We also know that Wii-owners have been starved in terms of choice over the last few months, I just hope their excitement for the game hasn't been fuelled by that.

When you have a drought and a half (yes, half) decent title appears it may seem more siginificant than it really is, I think UIF could be right...

Heh, they're comparing the Wii to Xbox 1 now. nopalversion

Well, it's an improvement wouldn't you say?  It was being compared to the PS2 and GC until now so it's slowly getting there.  Especially when they say that it fluctuates from a bit below to a bit above.  If it's capable of doing a bit above the XBox i'm pretty happy.