Is Shadow the hedgehog really a bad game? or one of the underrated gems?

It's bad

It's even crappier than sonic adventure 2, which is quite the accomplishment.

It's even crappier than sonic adventure 2, which is quite the accomplishment.

Renegade_Fury

played it on the PS2, it's pretty badrilpas

[QUOTE="rilpas"]played it on the PS2, it's pretty badShockwave-DASH

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

It's even crappier than sonic adventure 2, which is quite the accomplishment.

Shockwave-DASH

There are quite a lot of stupid sonic fans on the net, mostly those that were kids when it came out, and Adventure 2 was never received as a AAA quality title.

Same terrible gameplay, only now they added guns; stupid side missions that require you to collect or kill an exact amount of stuff which results in backtracking; unbelievably ridiculous story. It's sonic the hedgehog, so hearing the word "damn" and seeing all this "edgy" crap comes off as such a joke.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]played it on the PS2, it's pretty badShockwave-DASH

To be honest it is a love or hate game. The main problem are the stupid guns, the change to the 4Kids dub and that each faction will always attack you, regardless of allegiance.

But, if you can ignore that, then it can be fun. I repeat, it canbe fun.

To be honest it is a love or hate game. The main problem are the stupid guns, the change to the 4Kids dub and that each faction will always attack you, regardless of allegiance.

But, if you can ignore that, then it can be fun. I repeat, it canbe fun.

Miroku32

Yeah, androids is Shadow vs Robotnik. Anyways, I had a good time with that game back in 2005-2006 and it was a good game for pass the time. Sadly, it hasn't aged well. Miroku32

Used to love it, bought it again for $1, just absolute sh!t now. :P

I think the split-screen multi's still great though.

[QUOTE="Miroku32"]Yeah, androids is Shadow vs Robotnik. Anyways, I had a good time with that game back in 2005-2006 and it was a good game for pass the time. Sadly, it hasn't aged well. Shockwave-DASH

Shadow the Hedgehog underrated? IMO No.

The aim assist on the guns and the platforming in the game was executed rather well by sonic team as was the soundtrack. The branching pathways from level to level were handled rather smoothly most of the time.

The rest of the gameplay was a different story. Bad Enemy placement, some frustratingly irritating designed missions with awkward level design, A few technical issues(not present in the GC version to my knowledge) and a large amount of repetition was too much.

As you know playing the game and picking a side to help every mission had 2 bars(Good and Evil) which would fill up the more you helped one side in a particular mission. Sonic Team had a nasty habit of taking points away from you by placing Allied NPC's in the way of level progression. For example doing one of the light side missions helping GUN, I would have to kill GUN soldiers which would cost me a couple 1000 points because without them dying, I couldn't gain access to the spring I needed to progress.

A lot of the missions involving killing or collecting items set a bare minimum amount of said objects(Kill 40 soldiers and they only put 40 solidiers in the level). Given the numerous pathways possible not only in game, but in the levels themselves this often created more backtracking or slowed me down for longer periods of time than I would have liked.

Repetition was also a big issue that I encountered in Shadow as well as Heroes for me, given that I found playing the same level fun only so many times in order to satisfy mandatory conditions.

Westopolis was fun the first 2 or so times with all the explosions and enemies about fighting for control, but after the 6th or so time, it feels like more of an errand, a nusience than anything else. I didn't find having to play through the same first level 10 times in a row to beat an open ended game fun.

The bosses in the game I also saw as a weakness as all of them were recycled(making multiple appearances, not from older games). Granted they were all original in design, however facing the same boss about 4 or so times loses it's luster as well.

Shadow the Hedgehog underrated? IMO No.

The aim assist on the guns and the platforming in the game was executed rather well by sonic team as was the soundtrack. The branching pathways from level to level were handled rather smoothly most of the time.

The rest of the gameplay was a different story. Bad Enemy placement, some frustratingly irritating designed missions with awkward level design, A few technical issues(not present in the GC version to my knowledge) and a large amount of repetition was too much.

As you know playing the game and picking a side to help every mission had 2 bars(Good and Evil) which would fill up the more you helped one side in a particular mission. Sonic Team had a nasty habit of taking points away from you for placing Allied NPC's in the way of level progression. For example doing one of the light side missions helping GUN, I would have to kill GUN soldiers which would cost me a couple 1000 points because without them dying, I couldn't gain access to the spring I needed to progress.

A lot of the missions involving killing or collecting items set a bare minimum amount of said objects(Kill 40 soldiers and they only put 40 solidiers in the level). Given the numerous pathways possible not only in game, but in the levels themselves this often created more backtracking or slowed me down for longer periods of time than I would have liked.

Repetition was also a big issue in Heroes for me, given that I found playing the same level fun only so many times in order to satisfy mandatory conditions.

Westopolis was fun the first 2 or so times with all the explosions and enemies about fighting for control, but after the 6th or so time, it feels like more of an errand, a nusience than anything else. I didn't find having to play through the same first level 10 times in a row to beat an open ended game fun.

The bosses in the game I also saw as a weakness as all of them were recycled(making multiple appearances, not from older games). Granted they were all original in design, however facing the same boss about 4 or so times loses it's luster as well.

Mozuckint

The only recycled bosses were the end (of story branch) bosses, excluding Eggman of course, so uh. They could have added more though, I mean i find it funny you could help evil or help good or inbetween then at the last second switch sides for the final boss which in those cases (excluding the Eggman scenario) either had sonic and super fighting robot megaman trying to kill you or the Dark guy trying to kill you. It's very easy to fill those bars so I have no idea how the point thing is even a valid complaint. The game can get repetitive, yes, but then in order to get the real ending you don't have much of a choice, but other than the first immdiate 3 levels you can branch off wherever you want and try to cover the grid. I would like to add that there are missions that have time limits or if you screw up it goes on an auto choice for you, luckily it does not happen much f the game except that it happens during times where you have to beat it to get to a certain spot on the stage grid. There was repetition in Sonic heroes? How is there repetition in Sonic heroes? Getting all A rankings are optional. Shadow the hedgehog does in some ways unless you actually avoid screwing up and getting all the gray spots in the grid, which itself sometimes requires the same areas, although they do throw stuff at you unlike SA2. Not that I am defending the game and calling it great but comparing it to SA2 and heroes seems odd to me. I do agree with you in general however.Shockwave-DASH

The bars complaint is more of a mechanical one. I understand the whole choice thing behind it, but it becomes somewhat redundant trying to help one side when they preven you from advancing in the level. That's just a poor design choice in my personal opinion.

I realize the branching pathways become a viable option somewhat early, but I was still somewhat bugged by the progression towards them at times, especially considering the amount of times replay was needed.

When I mentioned Repetition in heroes, I meant the team stages, the regular story. Every one of the 4 teams had to play slightly modified versions of the exact same stage, no matter what, to unlock the true ending of the game, which I found aggravating, but the smooth quick gameplay and platforming on top of not to many instances of bad enemy placement removed a considerable amount of aggrivation.

I liked Shadow the Hedgehog alot actually.

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

It's even crappier than sonic adventure 2, which is quite the accomplishment.

Shockwave-DASH

sa2 isn dat good
sa1 is nice tho
spin dash spam takes skills

I played the GameCube version a bit when I was a kid as I remember it was pretty average nothing truly shocking nothing truly great but let's face it the sonic branding is the only reason it sold. Shadow is pretty cool mind.Keepitoldschool

It's HORRIBLE.

It's even worse than Sonic Heroes.

It's full of problems.

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

It's even crappier than sonic adventure 2, which is quite the accomplishment.

Shockwave-DASH

I'm also a Sonic fan and I also belive that SA and SA2 were massively overrated and just not that great. Whoever programmed the cameras for those games is out of their mind.

I played the PS2 version, and to tell the truth I actually liked it. That's because I'm a biased Shadow fan though :P The camera controls were awful and Shadow skated too fast, but once I got used to it (another way of saying 'I learned to push the analog stick only halfway') I had fun with it and there are multiple endings too :D

I played the PS2 version, and to tell the truth I actually liked it. That's because I'm a biased Shadow fan though :P The camera controls were awful and Shadow skated too fast, but once I got used to it (another way of saying 'I learned to push the analog stick only halfway') I had fun with it and there are multiple endings too :D

Spinnerweb

Come on tho how many games from the mid 2000s aged well graphically??Keepitoldschool

I was playing Crystal Chronicles (2004) the other day and I still think it's beautiful. I'm sure plenty of games from the era look fine, even if they're technically outclassed.

Come on tho how many games from the mid 2000s aged well graphically??Keepitoldschool

Let's see...

• Resident Evil 4
• Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
• Final Fantasy XII
• Ghosthunter
• Black
• Darkwatch
• Odin Sphere
• Final Fantasy X
• Onimusha 3: Demon Siege
• Shadow of the Colossus
• Gran Turismo 4
• Zone of the Enders: The 2nd Runner
• Jak 3

[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]

I played the PS2 version, and to tell the truth I actually liked it. That's because I'm a biased Shadow fan though :P The camera controls were awful and Shadow skated too fast, but once I got used to it (another way of saying 'I learned to push the analog stick only halfway') I had fun with it and there are multiple endings too :D

JigglyWiggly_

I don't remember asking you for your opinion on my opinion :x

And Shadow the Hedgehog is the un-funniest Sonic game I've ever played.

[QUOTE="Keepitoldschool"]

Let's see...

• Resident Evil 4
• Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
• Final Fantasy XII
• Ghosthunter
• Black
• Darkwatch
• Odin Sphere
• Final Fantasy X
• Onimusha 3: Demon Siege
• Shadow of the Colossus
• Gran Turismo 4
• Zone of the Enders: The 2nd Runner
• Jak 3

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]

I played the PS2 version, and to tell the truth I actually liked it. That's because I'm a biased Shadow fan though :P The camera controls were awful and Shadow skated too fast, but once I got used to it (another way of saying 'I learned to push the analog stick only halfway') I had fun with it and there are multiple endings too :D

Spinnerweb

I don't remember asking you for your opinion on my opinion :x

And Shadow the Hedgehog is the un-funniest Sonic game I've ever played.

Come on tho how many games from the mid 2000s aged well graphically??Keepitoldschool

Come on tho how many games from the mid 2000s aged well graphically??Keepitoldschool

[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]

[QUOTE="Keepitoldschool"]anyone who likes shadow the hedgehog/sonic 06
their opinion is and forever invalid
unless ofc they like the comedic value.

JigglyWiggly_

I don't remember asking you for your opinion on my opinion :x

And Shadow the Hedgehog is the un-funniest Sonic game I've ever played.

Its so terrible I think it gave me cancer.

It was decent, I hated the single player but when I was younger I enjoyed a bit of the multiplayer with my friend. Nowhere near as much as I enjoyed SA2's multiplayer, but it was still alright.

[QUOTE="Keepitoldschool"]Come on tho how many games from the mid 2000s aged well graphically??JigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="Keepitoldschool"]Come on tho how many games from the mid 2000s aged well graphically??Shockwave-DASH

Then you should have quoted him. Not Jiggly :PDudersaper

The game was mediocre.The story and the branching paths were the best part of the game,but i hated how you had to slow down to kill enemies in the game.Everything else I want to mention has been mentioned by everyone else in this thread.

It can't be as bad as Sonic '06...

[QUOTE="Keepitoldschool"]Come on tho how many games from the mid 2000s aged well graphically??Pixel-Perfect

I was playing Crystal Chronicles (2004) the other day and I still think it's beautiful. I'm sure plenty of games from the era look fine, even if they're technically outclassed.