Is The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time REALLY the best game of all time?

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This thread's degenerated so much lol.

Emerald_Warrior

What did you expect? This was totally a flame-bait thread to argue with Zelda fans.

That's true. Zelda fans are a tough bunch to please, amost as bad as Final Fantasy and Bioware... But those are probably some of the worst fan bases.

I really don't udnerstand how some people can say that certain games in the series are "trash"... I have enjoyed every one, to varying degrees, but they are all at least "decent."

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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

This thread's degenerated so much lol.

turtlethetaffer

What did you expect? This was totally a flame-bait thread to argue with Zelda fans.

That's true. Zelda fans are a tough bunch to please, amost as bad as Final Fantasy and Bioware... But those are probably some of the worst fan bases.

I really don't udnerstand how some people can say that certain games in the series are "trash"... I have enjoyed every one, to varying degrees, but they are all at least "decent."

It's actually the opposite, Zelda fans aren't that hard to please. The games haven't changed much over the years and they sell as well as almost any other franchise.

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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

This thread's degenerated so much lol.

turtlethetaffer

What did you expect? This was totally a flame-bait thread to argue with Zelda fans.

That's true. Zelda fans are a tough bunch to please, amost as bad as Final Fantasy and Bioware... But those are probably some of the worst fan bases.

I really don't udnerstand how some people can say that certain games in the series are "trash"... I have enjoyed every one, to varying degrees, but they are all at least "decent."

lol, you're still on this? If a game sucks in most every conceivable way, I don't see how calling it "trash" can be deemed as inappropriate. It's not like our distaste towards it is stopping you from enjoying it.

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[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

What did you expect? This was totally a flame-bait thread to argue with Zelda fans.

Blueresident87

That's true. Zelda fans are a tough bunch to please, amost as bad as Final Fantasy and Bioware... But those are probably some of the worst fan bases.

I really don't udnerstand how some people can say that certain games in the series are "trash"... I have enjoyed every one, to varying degrees, but they are all at least "decent."

It's actually the opposite, Zelda fans aren't that hard to please. The games haven't changed much over the years and they sell as well as almost any other franchise.

you've heard of the Zelda cycle, right?

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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

That's true. Zelda fans are a tough bunch to please, amost as bad as Final Fantasy and Bioware... But those are probably some of the worst fan bases.

I really don't udnerstand how some people can say that certain games in the series are "trash"... I have enjoyed every one, to varying degrees, but they are all at least "decent."

turtlethetaffer

It's actually the opposite, Zelda fans aren't that hard to please. The games haven't changed much over the years and they sell as well as almost any other franchise.

you've heard of the Zelda cycle, right?

No. I've heard it as the Sonic Cycle, because most console Sonic games aren't that great. I haven't heard of the Zelda cycle, because the general consensus is that most Zelda games are good.

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It's actually the opposite, Zelda fans aren't that hard to please. The games haven't changed much over the years and they sell as well as almost any other franchise.

Emerald_Warrior

you've heard of the Zelda cycle, right?

No. I've heard it as the Sonic Cycle, because most console Sonic games aren't that great. I haven't heard of the Zelda cycle, because the general consensus is that most Zelda games are good.

Zelda cycle is when a new game (usually 3D one because people seem to froget the handheld ones exist for some reason) is released and everyone thinks it's crap. Then they start reminiscing about how much better the older game was.

i.e. Twilight Princess is released and everyone hates on it, saying that Wind Waker was a million times better. Then Skyward Sword is released and everyone starts hating on it, claiming that TP was a million times better. I've seen it happen.

And the fact that there are a ton of polarizing opinions about the state of the series as it is right now shows that they're ahrd to please. SS mixes it up by changing the way the game is structured and people complain about how it's not enough like the old games. And yet, people hated on TP because they said it was too similar to OoT/ ALttP.

You get my point.

Super Metroid wins, hands down. The atmosphere, the music, the game play...just revolutionary at the time!etmaul

Super Metroid is definitely up there.

Incredible as Prime is, I can't quite put it on the same pedestal as Super.

Zelda cycle is when a new game (usually 3D one because people seem to froget the handheld ones exist for some reason) is released and everyone thinks it's crap. Then they start reminiscing about how much better the older game was.

i.e. Twilight Princess is released and everyone hates on it, saying that Wind Waker was a million times better. Then Skyward Sword is released and everyone starts hating on it, claiming that TP was a million times better. I've seen it happen.

And the fact that there are a ton of polarizing opinions about the state of the series as it is right now shows that they're ahrd to please. SS mixes it up by changing the way the game is structured and people complain about how it's not enough like the old games. And yet, people hated on TP because they said it was too similar to OoT/ ALttP.

You get my point.

turtlethetaffer

[QUOTE="etmaul"]Super Metroid wins, hands down. The atmosphere, the music, the game play...just revolutionary at the time!Chozofication

Super Metroid is definitely up there.

Incredible as Prime is, I can't quite put it on the same pedestal as Super.

Everything about that game.... is godly. And the music, the music is good for your soul :cool:

TBH, Super Metroid is in an otherwordly league compared to Ocarina of Time.

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[QUOTE="etmaul"]Super Metroid wins, hands down. The atmosphere, the music, the game play...just revolutionary at the time!NirdBerd

Super Metroid is definitely up there.

Incredible as Prime is, I can't quite put it on the same pedestal as Super.

Everything about that game.... is godly. And the music, the music is good for your soul :cool:

TBH, Super Metroid is in an otherwordly league compared to Ocarina of Time.

That game's good for the soul, man. 

I'd have to agree, to a certain extent.

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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

This thread's degenerated so much lol.

turtlethetaffer

What did you expect? This was totally a flame-bait thread to argue with Zelda fans.

That's true. Zelda fans are a tough bunch to please, amost as bad as Final Fantasy and Bioware... But those are probably some of the worst fan bases.

I really don't udnerstand how some people can say that certain games in the series are "trash"... I have enjoyed every one, to varying degrees, but they are all at least "decent."

Super Metroid wins, hands down. The atmosphere, the music, the game play...just revolutionary at the time!etmaul

Obviously its not the greatest game of ALL time, that would suggest that no better game will ever come out. But it was by far the best of its time.

[QUOTE="etmaul"]Super Metroid wins, hands down. The atmosphere, the music, the game play...just revolutionary at the time!GSJones1994

Seconded. (Or I guess thirded, by the quote count).

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[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

What did you expect? This was totally a flame-bait thread to argue with Zelda fans.

GSJones1994

That's true. Zelda fans are a tough bunch to please, amost as bad as Final Fantasy and Bioware... But those are probably some of the worst fan bases.

I really don't udnerstand how some people can say that certain games in the series are "trash"... I have enjoyed every one, to varying degrees, but they are all at least "decent."

I can at least udnerstand Star Fox though. Each game has been below the abr set by 64. Not saying Adventures, Assault and Command are bad games. I enjoyed them all to varying degrees. But Ninty seems t refuse to allow Star Fox to go back to pure, unadulterated space combat, so I can kinda understand SF fan's frustrations.

RE I half understand, I mean the new games are awful as horror games but they are still pretty fun action games at the very least, so I think they should suck it up.

RE I half understand, I mean the new games are awful as horror games but they are still pretty fun action games at the very least, so I think they should suck it up.

turtlethetaffer

You just pretty much said that they changed RE from a horror series to an action series. And we're supposed to just "suck it up" as fans? What a bunch of bull.

Would you just "suck it up" if they changed your Pokemon games from RPGs to beat em ups?

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]RE I half understand, I mean the new games are awful as horror games but they are still pretty fun action games at the very least, so I think they should suck it up.

Emerald_Warrior

You just pretty much said that they changed RE from a horror series to an action series. And we're supposed to just "suck it up" as fans? What a bunch of bull.

Would you just "suck it up" if they changed your Pokemon games from RPGs to beat em ups?

Super Pokemon Rumble... *shudders*

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]RE I half understand, I mean the new games are awful as horror games but they are still pretty fun action games at the very least, so I think they should suck it up.

Emerald_Warrior

You just pretty much said that they changed RE from a horror series to an action series. And we're supposed to just "suck it up" as fans? What a bunch of bull.

Would you just "suck it up" if they changed your Pokemon games from RPGs to beat em ups?

What about RE Revelations? Maybe that statement was poorly worded... I mean that while I undertand they're upset about the change fromm horror to action, I think they should acknowledge that the games are still decently fun.

That's the thing about game series... When they're different, fans jsut instantly say they're bad, when, in reality, thy're usually pretty solid. Sorry for the (very) poor wording. Didn't really say what I was trying to get across.

[QUOTE="GSJones1994"][QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

That's true. Zelda fans are a tough bunch to please, amost as bad as Final Fantasy and Bioware... But those are probably some of the worst fan bases.

I really don't udnerstand how some people can say that certain games in the series are "trash"... I have enjoyed every one, to varying degrees, but they are all at least "decent."

turtlethetaffer

I can at least udnerstand Star Fox though. Each game has been below the abr set by 64. Not saying Adventures, Assault and Command are bad games. I enjoyed them all to varying degrees. But Ninty seems t refuse to allow Star Fox to go back to pure, unadulterated space combat, so I can kinda understand SF fan's frustrations.

RE I half understand, I mean the new games are awful as horror games but they are still pretty fun action games at the very least, so I think they should suck it up.

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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]RE I half understand, I mean the new games are awful as horror games but they are still pretty fun action games at the very least, so I think they should suck it up.

turtlethetaffer

You just pretty much said that they changed RE from a horror series to an action series. And we're supposed to just "suck it up" as fans? What a bunch of bull.

Would you just "suck it up" if they changed your Pokemon games from RPGs to beat em ups?

What about RE Revelations? Maybe that statement was poorly worded... I mean that while I undertand they're upset about the change fromm horror to action, I think they should acknowledge that the games are still decently fun.

That's the thing about game series... When they're different, fans jsut instantly say they're bad, when, in reality, thy're usually pretty solid. Sorry for the (very) poor wording. Didn't really say what I was trying to get across.

Can't say that I agree that they're even good. I got RE6 for Christmas and was sorely disappointed. Lots of QTE's is hardly what I'd call good gameplay.

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[QUOTE="GSJones1994"] Don't forget Star Fox, Sonic and Resident Evil too. Those fanbases are tough to please as well.GSJones1994

I can at least udnerstand Star Fox though. Each game has been below the abr set by 64. Not saying Adventures, Assault and Command are bad games. I enjoyed them all to varying degrees. But Ninty seems t refuse to allow Star Fox to go back to pure, unadulterated space combat, so I can kinda understand SF fan's frustrations.

RE I half understand, I mean the new games are awful as horror games but they are still pretty fun action games at the very least, so I think they should suck it up.

Yeah that's the weird thing about SF. It's been an experimental series. I would love s return to form with a pure shooty shoot game with branching levels and whatnot.

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[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

You just pretty much said that they changed RE from a horror series to an action series. And we're supposed to just "suck it up" as fans? What a bunch of bull.

Would you just "suck it up" if they changed your Pokemon games from RPGs to beat em ups?

Emerald_Warrior

What about RE Revelations? Maybe that statement was poorly worded... I mean that while I undertand they're upset about the change fromm horror to action, I think they should acknowledge that the games are still decently fun.

That's the thing about game series... When they're different, fans jsut instantly say they're bad, when, in reality, thy're usually pretty solid. Sorry for the (very) poor wording. Didn't really say what I was trying to get across.

Can't say that I agree that they're even good. I got RE6 for Christmas and was sorely disappointed. Lots of QTE's is hardly what I'd call good gameplay.

Hm... I was reffering more to 5 and to some extent 4. Haven't played 6 myself.

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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

What about RE Revelations? Maybe that statement was poorly worded... I mean that while I undertand they're upset about the change fromm horror to action, I think they should acknowledge that the games are still decently fun.

That's the thing about game series... When they're different, fans jsut instantly say they're bad, when, in reality, thy're usually pretty solid. Sorry for the (very) poor wording. Didn't really say what I was trying to get across.

turtlethetaffer

Can't say that I agree that they're even good. I got RE6 for Christmas and was sorely disappointed. Lots of QTE's is hardly what I'd call good gameplay.

Hm... I was reffering more to 5 and to some extent 4. Haven't played 6 myself.

I loved RE4! It actually felt like horror and didn't force a co-op action game on me, like RE5 did. The zombies were gone, which was a disappointing departure. But at least they kept the setting, the story, and the characters in the realm of horror.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

What about RE Revelations? Maybe that statement was poorly worded... I mean that while I undertand they're upset about the change fromm horror to action, I think they should acknowledge that the games are still decently fun.

That's the thing about game series... When they're different, fans jsut instantly say they're bad, when, in reality, thy're usually pretty solid. Sorry for the (very) poor wording. Didn't really say what I was trying to get across.

turtlethetaffer

Can't say that I agree that they're even good. I got RE6 for Christmas and was sorely disappointed. Lots of QTE's is hardly what I'd call good gameplay.

Hm... I was reffering more to 5 and to some extent 4. Haven't played 6 myself.

I think 4 is the best in the series and I thought 5 was pretty fun, but nothing spectacular.

I haven't played 6, but it looks like hot garbage, so I probably won't ever play it.

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Can't say that I agree that they're even good. I got RE6 for Christmas and was sorely disappointed. Lots of QTE's is hardly what I'd call good gameplay.

Emerald_Warrior

Hm... I was reffering more to 5 and to some extent 4. Haven't played 6 myself.

I loved RE4! It actually felt like horror and didn't force a co-op action game on me, like RE5 did. The zombies were gone, which was a disappointing departure. But at least they kept the setting, the story, and the characters in the realm of horror.

There are a few people who think that it wasn't very good. I say screw 'em. That one part in the Prison near the end where the Regenerator was walking towards you was really well done.

Not even close, I really didn't care for the game as a whole.

[QUOTE="GSJones1994"][QUOTE="etmaul"]Super Metroid wins, hands down. The atmosphere, the music, the game play...just revolutionary at the time!Emerald_Warrior

Seconded. (Or I guess thirded, by the quote count).

I'm still gonna put my vote in for Metroid Prime, though that was developed by Retro Studios, not directly Nintendo (though I'm sure they oversaw the project with great care)

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[QUOTE="JML897"]People who prefer MM to OoT are out of their damn mindsGSJones1994

I'm perfectly in my damn mind, OoT is severely overrated; 3rd best Zelda game behind MM and Link to the Past.

I believe it is overrated because it is an average Zelda game. Nothing else to be said, it does so much that other Zelda games do better.

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Can't say that I agree that they're even good. I got RE6 for Christmas and was sorely disappointed. Lots of QTE's is hardly what I'd call good gameplay.

GreySeal9

Hm... I was reffering more to 5 and to some extent 4. Haven't played 6 myself.

I think 4 is the best in the series and I thought 5 was pretty fun, but nothing spectacular.

I haven't played 6, but it looks like hot garbage, so I probably won't ever play it.

I haven't played any of the Zelda games enough to actually finish them, but I've definitely spent more time with OOT than any/all the others combined. It's always been a bunch of fun. All my friends who have actually followed/played all the Zelda games say Majora's Mask is better, though.

I haven't played any of the Zelda games enough to actually finish them, but I've definitely spent more time with OOT than any/all the others combined. It's always been a bunch of fun. All my friends who have actually followed/played all the Zelda games say Majora's Mask is better, though.

the_bi99man

Majora's Mask is the best one. (Also my BGOAT.)

I haven't played any of the Zelda games enough to actually finish them, but I've definitely spent more time with OOT than any/all the others combined. It's always been a bunch of fun. All my friends who have actually followed/played all the Zelda games say Majora's Mask is better, though.

the_bi99man

I never had an N64 when Zelda came out, then about 8 years ago I got one on ebay and a copy of zelda, but I've still never got around to playing it, I'm going to have to get my act together lol

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]RE I half understand, I mean the new games are awful as horror games but they are still pretty fun action games at the very least, so I think they should suck it up.

Emerald_Warrior

You just pretty much said that they changed RE from a horror series to an action series. And we're supposed to just "suck it up" as fans? What a bunch of bull.

Would you just "suck it up" if they changed your Pokemon games from RPGs to beat em ups?

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[QUOTE="GSJones1994"] Don't forget Star Fox, Sonic and Resident Evil too. Those fanbases are tough to please as well.GSJones1994

I can at least udnerstand Star Fox though. Each game has been below the abr set by 64. Not saying Adventures, Assault and Command are bad games. I enjoyed them all to varying degrees. But Ninty seems t refuse to allow Star Fox to go back to pure, unadulterated space combat, so I can kinda understand SF fan's frustrations.

RE I half understand, I mean the new games are awful as horror games but they are still pretty fun action games at the very least, so I think they should suck it up.

I'd put A Link to the Past over Ocarina, but that's just me.

It's purely opinion.  I loved OoT, but for me my all time favorite game is KOTOR.

I feel sorry for anyone whos favorite game isnt ocarina

I feel sorry for anyone whos favorite game isnt ocarina

luckykoopsie

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I feel sorry for anyone whos favorite game isnt ocarina

Jakandsigz

tell someone who cares, stalker.

No. Calling the best game of all time is nearly impossible because there are so many games worthy of that its just your opinion so there is no right answer. At the very least it has to be genre.

You guys ocrania of time sold 8 million copy's. Dont think it as overated because it seems to be #1 on everyones best games list.awesome8030

That's what makes it overrated.

There's only one game that can be called the greatest game of all time without a doubt;

Deus Ex.

You guys ocrania of time sold 8 million copy's. Dont think it as overated because it seems to be #1 on everyones best games list.awesome8030

I don't think I could ever pick 1 best game. OOT is definitely up there with the best though.

I agree with the consensus that gaming is highly subjective. I don't think that a "best game" exists because people choose their own favorites and have their own reasons. "Best" implies that it is 100% well-regarded and that will just never happen.

OoT is not my personal favorite of all time, but I did love it. I also loved Majora's Mask to a lesser extent. I liked Wind Waker more than both, but I think you'll be hearing the most praise for one or both of the N64 titles... because that's just how today works I guess. I'm not arguing, I'll hold fast to my own opinions.

It was definitely the best game of its time but it has aged and we've witnessed better constructed Zelda games. However, unlike most games, it has aged well and is still fun to this day.