Medal of Honor: To Be the Taliban or Not

I really don't care. You can play as terrorists in scrappy clothes in other games, EA is just naming them.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="reason58"] Are you arguing that the Taliban are completely wrong in wanting the United States to stop interfering with Middle Eastern governments? Or are you arguing that the US has not, in fact, ever interfered with those governments?shadow13702

The Taliban telling the US to stop interfering in Middle Eastern government is like Hitler telling the US to stop interfering in European government. Read the article at the link I just posted. You might learn something.

And why should the U.S interfer with the Middle east? (other than Palestine ofc). You kept stating that the Taliban is evil but if the U.S didn't do anything there wouldn't be a problem at all. And Btw wouldn't it save more life than it cause if we ignore the middle east? If nuking Japan was nesscary then shouldn't ignoring it be nesscary as well?

(Btw I live in the U.S so hope this doesn't make me sound anti patriot)

We've been involved in middle eastern politics long before current events became current events. But it's not just us; It's the entirety of western civilization. The very country of Iraq was created by the British at the behest of the League of Nations. And in hindsight that was a terrible idea...they were just kind of parceling off land without respect to who lived there and ended up lumping together a bunch of people that hate each other. The only person that was ever able to control that region was Saddam - the British were never able to. Why we thought we would be, i don't know.

While the reasons for our involvement over there have changed over the years, lately it's mostly about our energy dependence and how much oil that region has that for the past 50 or 60 years has led to foreign policy designed to prop up whoever happened to be in power in the countries of this region. And these guys we've been supporting are in many cases little better than feudal lords. Now we've got a lot of western operated businesses with western employees living in those regions securing oil for our future (just look at the Saudi Arabia little league team in the World Series - all Americans). We're involved in this region until we find a better way to meet our energy needs, and saying that we should just ignore what goes on in the area is naive.

The Taliban on the otherhand - that's purely about 9/11, not because they're bad people or because of energy concerns. We let bad things happen all the time in various nations across the world. We don't crush evil when it rears its head, we typicallyonly crush evil when it looks in our direction. The Taliban are thoroughly unlikeable people with what are quite simply inferior values (and if you think that's arrogant, tell me how a civilization that treats its women the way they do is any way equal to our own). When the Taliban came to power, they went around destroying all the Buddha statues with tanks - who does that? What did Buddhists ever do to anyone else other than set their own selves on fire? That being said - I don't really have any issue playing as the Taliban in MoH, because it's only multiplayer - there is no reality or context in mp. Like the OP said, it's just red vs blue. Had no problem killing US troops as Russians in BC2, either. Didn't even think about it that way, really.

I hope you're not trying to suggest that the Taliban actually has its own legitimate points. The Taliban is pure evil.

Metal_Mario99

i got a chance to play ont eh Beta. i was on both sides. doesnt matter what side you are at the end you are playing to win the round.

people always want to have a shot in the media and get there 15 min of fame

And this is just like the situation with World War II. Not all German soldiers were Nazis, many disagreed with Hitler's political regime, and were only fighting against the Allies because they were defending their country. The majority of these Taliban fighters are just puppets for those doing all the talking. They are being brainwashed into doing these awful things, so the higher ups don't have to. If anything, they are victims as well, and are being demonized for the actions of their superiors.foxhound_fox

Hey, if thinking of our enemies as victims helps you sleep better at night, who am I to burst your bubble?

people that are saying thi is not a good game because you play as the enemy.

uhh yeah theres A LOT of soldiers that want to play this game and they went to right over the past years

dog eat dog world.

US wants Oil.

Hey, if thinking of our enemies as victims helps you sleep better at night, who am I to burst your bubble?

Metal_Mario99

"Good" and "evil" are subjective terms deeply rooted in christianity, and they have little to no value in a rational context. In short: if you have personal problems with playing as the Taliban that's perfectly fine and you can avoid the game at will, but to say this should be banned or boycotted because it is 'wrong' or 'evil' is a completely laughable stance.

What I find disturbing is that you (and others like you) seem to believe that the Taliban and their ilk actually have a legitimate stance. If this wwere the 1930s, you'd be among those defending Hitler After all, it's ignorant and narrow-minded to assume that someone is wrong just because they're doing evil things that are diametrically opposed to your values system, right? Hitler was only trying to do what he thought was best for his country, right?
Metal_Mario99

But we might as well end it right here, because I'm not about to bother debating with a nihilist who puts words like "justice" and "wrong" in quotation marks.

Oh, and by the way, the Taliban jerks off to the death penalty like it's a porno.

Metal_Mario99

you don't seem to understand the concept of moral relativismfoxhound_fox

I have a set of morals, and an understanding of the difference between right and wrong. Something that you and your kind lack.

I have a set of morals, and an understanding of the difference between right and wrong. Something that you and your kind lack.

Metal_Mario99

And "your kind" is borderline insulting. What are you trying to imply by that?

foxhound_fox

I thought you said you were finished here.

And I'm implying that you're so enslaved to the whole "nobody's right, everybody's wrong" way of thinking that you wouldn't recognize an evil man if he looked you in the eye and bit your nose off. Moral relativism is what leads to tolerance of immoral acts. Oh, well, the Arabs have a different culture than we do. Who are we to say they're evil just because they behead women for showing their faces in public? After all, we used to have slavery, so we're just as bad, right?

His point is that, had you been born 50 years earlier then what you call "absolute" good and evil would be different. Sure, the extremes are easy to get agreement on, such as stoning women to death for showing their face in public. For most of the rest, however, you only hold the opinion you do because of where and when you were born.

And I'm implying that you're so enslaved to the whole "nobody's right, everybody's wrong" way of thinking that you wouldn't recognize an evil man if he looked you in the eye and bit your nose off. Moral relativism is what leads to tolerance of immoral acts. Oh, well, the Arabs have a different culture than we do. Who are we to say they're evil just because they behead women for showing their faces in public? After all, we used to have slavery, so we're just as bad, right?

Metal_Mario99

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]And I'm implying that you're so enslaved to the whole "nobody's right, everybody's wrong" way of thinking that you wouldn't recognize an evil man if he looked you in the eye and bit your nose off. Moral relativism is what leads to tolerance of immoral acts. Oh, well, the Arabs have a different culture than we do. Who are we to say they're evil just because they behead women for showing their faces in public? After all, we used to have slavery, so we're just as bad, right?

foxhound_fox

1. "Nobody is wrong, everybody is right" is exactly the kind of ignorant blindness that I'm talking about. You don't acknowledge that there's any difference between right and wrong. To you, everybody's right, no matter what they do. Morality is just a matter of opinion. The Holocaust wasn't wrong, the 9/11 attacks weren't wrong, oppressive dictatorship isn't wrong.

2. Moral relativism doesn't keep us moral. It degrades our sense of right and wrong. You're a perfect example, as your embrace of moral relativism seems to have completely eroded any distinction between right and wrong in your mind. If there's no such thing as right or wrong, where does the line get drawn? Cannibalism? Genocide? Rape and murder? Everybody's got a different point of view, right? How much atrocity and abomination are we expected to tolerate?

3. Never mind you're making a wide, sweeping assumption that every Muslim who does a bad thing is a victim of brainwashing. Let's just focus on the fact that you seem to acknowledge, at least, that what the Taliban does is bad. If you didn't think so, you wouldn't be rushing to defend the people it uses.

4. I already answered your damn question when I said that the notion that the Taliban even has a legitimate "side" is abominable. Representation of the Taliban's sick, sadistic, insane "side" of this conflict is about as necessary as representation for Hitler's side of WWII.

5. God is what makes morality absolute. But, since you're clearly an atheist, I don't expect you to be able to comprehend that.

5. God is what makes morality absolute. But, since you're clearly an atheist, I don't expect you to be able to comprehend that.

Metal_Mario99

You know, "their" god makes their morals absolute too. Interesting how that works, huh?

Lol foxfound just got trolled

I guess I could play as a Taliban as long as I can team kill everyone on my Taliban team then commit suicide every single game.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

I hope you're not trying to suggest that the Taliban actually has its own legitimate points. The Taliban is pure evil.

1. "Nobody is wrong, everybody is right" is exactly the kind of ignorant blindness that I'm talking about. You don't acknowledge that there's any difference between right and wrong. To you, everybody's right, no matter what they do. Morality is just a matter of opinion. The Holocaust wasn't wrong, the 9/11 attacks weren't wrong, oppressive dictatorship isn't wrong.

2. Moral relativism doesn't keep us moral. It degrades our sense of right and wrong. You're a perfect example, as your embrace of moral relativism seems to have completely eroded any distinction between right and wrong in your mind. If there's no such thing as right or wrong, where does the line get drawn? Cannibalism? Genocide? Rape and murder? Everybody's got a different point of view, right? How much atrocity and abomination are we expected to tolerate?

3. Never mind you're making a wide, sweeping assumption that every Muslim who does a bad thing is a victim of brainwashing. Let's just focus on the fact that you seem to acknowledge, at least, that what the Taliban does is bad. If you didn't think so, you wouldn't be rushing to defend the people it uses.

4. I already answered your damn question when I said that the notion that the Taliban even has a legitimate "side" is abominable. Representation of the Taliban's sick, sadistic, insane "side" of this conflict is about as necessary as representation for Hitler's side of WWII.

5. God is what makes morality absolute. But, since you're clearly an atheist, I don't expect you to be able to comprehend that.

Metal_Mario99

Our children should be taught to support our troops and that the enemy should be killed

MathMattS

So...children should be taught government propaganda in video games designed by private companies...?

[QUOTE="shadow13702"]

[QUOTE="Vader993"]

no one is evil,its all about point of view,in reality there nothing more than brainwashed zealots

Metal_Mario99

This is what happens when you watch the news or listen to the press to much :P Just because Bush or someone says the Taliban is evil it doesn't mean they are. Learn to think for yourself

And in what way do you believe the Taliban isn't evil? I'm still waiting to hear that from you nihilistic "moral relativists".

Pure evil is non-existant.

[QUOTE="MathMattS"]

Our children should be taught to support our troops and that the enemy should be killed

Pixel-Pirate

So...children should be taught government propaganda in video games designed by private companies...?

This is so hypocrite. You can kill and drive over hundreds of pedestrians in games like GTA IV, and kill loads of innocent people in the singleplayer of Modern Warfare 2 and those games are less controversial than having the option to play as the taliban in Medal of Honor?

Why is it okay to kill US Cops but not US soldiers in games?

Why is it okay to kill US Cops but not US soldiers in games?

Pixel-Pirate

i'm picking the game and i can't wait for the single player.