Metal Gear Solid 4 is literally the worst game on the PS3

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#1 taiwwa
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The most overrated POS game I've ever played.

It deserves a 4/10 at best. Reasons why:

1. Stealth is not necessary to win. The fastest route is run'n'gun. MGS 3 had better stealth.

2. The story is not epic. It is stupid. Solid Snake is regrown from like his severed thumb. Octocon has a bizzarre incest confession. Raiden has both his arms chopped off so he grabs a sword in his mouth and headchops.

3. Cutscenes take forever. One is like 90 minutes I believe.

It is simply a bloated and excessive game that game reviewers slurped because 1) fanboyism/nostalgia and 2) Big-budget AAA titles have a min score of 8.5

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I hate you

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The most overrated POS game I've ever played.

It deserves a 4/10 at best. Reasons why:

1. Stealth is not necessary to win. The fastest route is run'n'gun. MGS 3 had better stealth.

2. The story is not epic. It is stupid. Solid Snake is regrown from like his severed thumb. Octocon has a bizzarre incest confession. Raiden has both his arms chopped off so he grabs a sword in his mouth and headchops.

3. Cutscenes take forever. One is like 90 minutes I believe.

It is simply a bloated and excessive game that game reviewers slurped because 1) fanboyism/nostalgia and 2) Big-budget AAA titles have a min score of 8.5

taiwwa

For real? Lol, if that's true would that game even qualify as a game?

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#4 Jackc8
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I played the third one and thought it had some definite good points, but made up for it with the huge number of awful points. Then I played the second one and it was just crap. I actually had to toss the controller on the bed and just sit back and laugh at the inanity of it all. I never even thought of getting the fourth.

As I've always said, the story is like some 7th grader tried to write a Tom Clancy novel. A 7th grader who gets all his knowledge of world events from reading comic books. One of the hallmarks of really awful storytelling is to have 5 minutes of story but take an hour to tell it, and nobody in the world is quite so guilty of that as Kojima.

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#5 DarthJohnova
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As opposed to metaphorically being the worst game on the PS3?

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Star Ocean and every crappy NISA JRPG on the PS3 disagree with you.

Those are LITERALLY the worst piles of garbage on ANY platform.

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#7 1PMrFister
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Having actually played MGS4, I can safely say two things: 1.) It's not the worst game on PS3 by far 2.) Most of your reasoning is bull honkey.
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In B4 Shameus.

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#9 fend_oblivion
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Solid Snake outgrown from a severed thumb? Are you sure you're not mistaking Liquid Ocelot (you'll learn that through hypnotism Ocelot assumes the persona of Liquid) for Solid Snake? Otacon did have an incestuous relationship with his stepmother as revealed in MGS 2 but is it mentioned in MGS 4? I don't remember.
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[QUOTE="fend_oblivion"]Solid Snake outgrown from a severed thumb? Are you sure you're not mistaking Liquid Ocelot (you'll learn that through hypnotism Ocelot assumes the persona of Liquid) for Solid Snake? Otacon did have an incestuous relationship with his stepmother as revealed in MGS 2 but is it mentioned in MGS 4? I don't remember.

I think he was referring to [spoiler] Big Boss [/spoiler] For the second one, I don't remember Otacon mentioning his relationship in 4 at all. It makes me wonder if the TC even played MGS4 to begin with.
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#11 taiwwa
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I played the third one and thought it had some definite good points, but made up for it with the huge number of awful points. Then I played the second one and it was just crap. I actually had to toss the controller on the bed and just sit back and laugh at the inanity of it all. I never even thought of getting the fourth.

As I've always said, the story is like some 7th grader tried to write a Tom Clancy novel. A 7th grader who gets all his knowledge of world events from reading comic books. One of the hallmarks of really awful storytelling is to have 5 minutes of story but take an hour to tell it, and nobody in the world is quite so guilty of that as Kojima.

Jackc8

I think the 3rd is one of the best stealth action games of all time. I really do. It is so well done.

MGS1 was good for its time

MGS2 was not good.

MGS4 continued MGS2's not good.

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Metal Gear Solid 4 is the reason why I purchased my PS3, and it is the only PS3 game I've beaten more than once. To put it shortly, I absolutely loved it.

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I dont own many PS3 games, pretty much only exclusives but out of the games I own, MGS4 is tied worst with Motorstorm (PS+) It was just a bad game, to me.

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#14 JogsterXL
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Having actually played MGS4, I can safely say two things: 1.) It's not the worst game on PS3 by far 2.) Most of your reasoning is bull honkey.1PMrFister

Metal Gear Solid 4 is the reason why I purchased my PS3, and it is the only PS3 game I've beaten more than once. To put it shortly, I absolutely loved it.

Abigorus
1. Stealth is neccesary to win, try getting the Big Boss Emblem without it. 2. The story is epic, having played all the previous games when they were first released. 3. Cutscenes do take forever, but they are so good that it doesn't matter.
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:lol: Whatever man. Personally I found MGS4 to be quite possibly the PS3's best game and a fantastic game overall that can easily hang with this gen's top games.
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#16 NaveedLife
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MGS4 is probably my favorite game this gen and one of the best games ever made :)

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I disrespecfully disagree

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The most overrated POS game I've ever played.

It deserves a 4/10 at best. Reasons why:

1. Stealth is not necessary to win. The fastest route is run'n'gun. MGS 3 had better stealth.

2. The story is not epic. It is stupid. Solid Snake is regrown from like his severed thumb. Octocon has a bizzarre incest confession. Raiden has both his arms chopped off so he grabs a sword in his mouth and headchops.

3. Cutscenes take forever. One is like 90 minutes I believe.

It is simply a bloated and excessive game that game reviewers slurped because 1) fanboyism/nostalgia and 2) Big-budget AAA titles have a min score of 8.5

taiwwa

Jesus christ, go play devil may cry, ninja gaiden or bayonetta

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[QUOTE="taiwwa"]

The most overrated POS game I've ever played.

It deserves a 4/10 at best. Reasons why:

1. Stealth is not necessary to win. The fastest route is run'n'gun. MGS 3 had better stealth.

2. The story is not epic. It is stupid. Solid Snake is regrown from like his severed thumb. Octocon has a bizzarre incest confession. Raiden has both his arms chopped off so he grabs a sword in his mouth and headchops.

3. Cutscenes take forever. One is like 90 minutes I believe.

It is simply a bloated and excessive game that game reviewers slurped because 1) fanboyism/nostalgia and 2) Big-budget AAA titles have a min score of 8.5

m25105

Whoa!!! 90ish minutes long???? I now know Ill never play that "game".

For real? Lol, if that's true would that game even qualify as a game?

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>I don't like this game >Everyone who thinks otherwise is dumb / ignorant / fanboy I loved it.
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#21 taiwwa
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>I don't like this game >Everyone who thinks otherwise is dumb / ignorant / fanboy I loved it.PetJel

MGS4 had such a disparity between quality and review.

Usually reviewers are right on games. But MGS4 was given multiple perfect 10's, and it really really did not live up to the hype.

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#23 Overlord93
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The cutscenes are unnecessarily long. And the story is kind of rediculous. The gunplay in actual fact is not amazing and the stealth is bad. It's a good game, and it's one people should play if they get the chance, but I do feel it's highly overrated.
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[QUOTE="PetJel"]>I don't like this game >Everyone who thinks otherwise is dumb / ignorant / fanboy I loved it.taiwwa

MGS4 had such a disparity between quality and review.

Usually reviewers are right on games. But MGS4 was given multiple perfect 10's, and it really really did not live up to the hype.

I saw no disparity myself and thought it lived up the hype quite nicely. I'd certainly give the game a 10 myself.
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#25 Ballroompirate
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Clearly the TC never played MGS4 and never played Haze or Lair (honestly the two worst PS3 games this gen).

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#26 MrGeezer
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The cutscenes are unnecessarily long. And the story is kind of rediculous. The gunplay in actual fact is not amazing and the stealth is bad. It's a good game, and it's one people should play if they get the chance, but I do feel it's highly overrated.Overlord93
Pretty much this. I don't regret playing it. But I did try to play it through a second time and I just couldn't do it. Getting through the overly long cutscenes and tedious dialogue is just a real chore.
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I love how everyone says Stealth is bad in MGS4 and how you can run and gun through the entire game. I wonder if these guys actually beat this game on Hard or Extreme. You would think people saying the game is too easy would've upped the difficulty, but nope, seems b*tching about the game being too easy on a video game forum is the way to go.

And trying to stealth your way through this game is a lot more rewarding and challenging than games like Splinter Cell Conviction and Deus Ex Human Revolution. Unlike the small indoor rooms of the abovementioned games, MGS4 routinely puts you in a massive enviornment where simply learning the enemy patrol routes isn't enough. You have to constantly be on your toes, improvise and use every single gadget in your disposal. As much as I love Splinter Cell, you can just melee the first guy then use Mark & Execute on everyone else and move to the next room, rinse and repeat. In Deus Ex, you can go invisible, go from cover to cover, learn enemy routes, there are hardly ever more than 3 in a room, quick save F5, and move to the next room. Hell, the enemies even have cones. Kojima ditched cones ten years ago.

The vast areas in MGS4 gave us the best oppurtinity to use stealth. Sadly, every hater simply rambo-ed their way through the game, and complained about it being too easy.


Boss fights are equally challenging on harder difficulties and force you to use your entire arsenal instead of just buying bullets from Drebin. Vamp and Crying Wolf will rape you on Hard and Extreme.

Yes, the cutscenes are long but they only seem long because the game all but ditched the codec system. if you go back to MGS1,2 and 3, you will see that the codec calls can last upto 15 minutes. I remember pulling my hair during the Rose codec calls in MGS2 and skipped the final Patriot codec call with Raiden because I had had enough. I am not sure why it's become an issue all of a sudden. The only cutscene that was 90 minutes long was the one that came after the game had ended. Was it bloated? Yes. Did I mind having a proper hour long conclusion to a series that has always had an insanely complicated plot? Heck no. Snake should've killed himself and we shouldnt have had that last 30 minutes cutscene with Big Boss but I dont see how that ruined the awesome game that came before it.

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#28 S0lidSnake
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[QUOTE="Overlord93"]The cutscenes are unnecessarily long. And the story is kind of rediculous. The gunplay in actual fact is not amazing and the stealth is bad. It's a good game, and it's one people should play if they get the chance, but I do feel it's highly overrated.MrGeezer
Pretty much this. I don't regret playing it. But I did try to play it through a second time and I just couldn't do it. Getting through the overly long cutscenes and tedious dialogue is just a real chore.

I will never understand this. Ever. Skip the cutscenes man. They arent unskippable.

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#29 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Overlord93"]The cutscenes are unnecessarily long. And the story is kind of rediculous. The gunplay in actual fact is not amazing and the stealth is bad. It's a good game, and it's one people should play if they get the chance, but I do feel it's highly overrated.S0lidSnake

Pretty much this. I don't regret playing it. But I did try to play it through a second time and I just couldn't do it. Getting through the overly long cutscenes and tedious dialogue is just a real chore.

I will never understand this. Ever. Skip the cutscenes man. They arent unskippable.

I did. Then I skipped the rest of the game too, since that wasn't anything special either.
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The most overrated POS game I've ever played.

It deserves a 4/10 at best. Reasons why:

1. Stealth is not necessary to win. The fastest route is run'n'gun. MGS 3 had better stealth.

2. The story is not epic. It is stupid. Solid Snake is regrown from like his severed thumb. Octocon has a bizzarre incest confession. Raiden has both his arms chopped off so he grabs a sword in his mouth and headchops.

3. Cutscenes take forever. One is like 90 minutes I believe.

It is simply a bloated and excessive game that game reviewers slurped because 1) fanboyism/nostalgia and 2) Big-budget AAA titles have a min score of 8.5

taiwwa

Some very poor reasons.

1. Comparing MGS4's stealth to MGS3's stealth is absurd, because you can run and gun in that game as well.

2. Well, nice to know that you're net-picking.

3. The only one I do agree with you.

Metal Gear Solid 4 provides a lot of options to either go on a shooting spree or be as stealthy as possible. It all just depends on what you want to do. Resident Evil 6 is a big budget title and it received a 4.5 here.

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I love how everyone says Stealth is bad in MGS4 and how you can run and gun through the entire game. I wonder if these guys actually beat this game on Hard or Extreme. You would think people saying the game is too easy would've upped the difficulty, but nope, seems b*tching about the game being too easy on a video game forum is the way to go.

And trying to stealth your way through this game is a lot more rewarding and challenging than games like Splinter Cell Conviction and Deus Ex Human Revolution. Unlike the small indoor rooms of the abovementioned games, MGS4 routinely puts you in a massive enviornment where simply learning the enemy patrol routes isn't enough. You have to constantly be on your toes, improvise and use every single gadget in your disposal. As much as I love Splinter Cell, you can just melee the first guy then use Mark & Execute on everyone else and move to the next room, rinse and repeat. In Deus Ex, you can go invisible, go from cover to cover, learn enemy routes, there are hardly ever more than 3 in a room, quick save F5, and move to the next room. Hell, the enemies even have cones. Kojima ditched cones ten years ago.

The vast areas in MGS4 gave us the best oppurtinity to use stealth. Sadly, every hater simply rambo-ed their way through the game, and complained about it being too easy.


Boss fights are equally challenging on harder difficulties and force you to use your entire arsenal instead of just buying bullets from Drebin. Vamp and Crying Wolf will rape you on Hard and Extreme.

--spoiler--

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#32 Krelian-co
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mgs 4 and bad game in the same sentence, does not compute

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Opinions and stuff.

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Lol.

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I love how everyone says Stealth is bad in MGS4 and how you can run and gun through the entire game. I wonder if these guys actually beat this game on Hard or Extreme. You would think people saying the game is too easy would've upped the difficulty, but nope, seems b*tching about the game being too easy on a video game forum is the way to go.S0lidSnake

I have to greatly disagree with that. I blazed through most of Boss Extreme without hassle. I ended up not finishing it since I am part of the crowd that disliked the game. I was at the end portion of the game when i asked myself why I was forcing myself through another playthrough. I adored the first MGS and really didn't like 2 and 4. Snake Eater is my favorite in the series. Kojima tackling Big Boss' story has been great but when i think of how all of it all ties into 2 and 4 I get bummed out. MGS has always been insane. But the grounded insanity of MGS1, MGS3, PortableOps and Peacewalker is where I think the series really shines. The bat**** crazy stuff in 2 and 4 feels forced in so many ways. And using the grounded stuff in Big Boss' games to make sense or justify them have made them even worse IMO.

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MGS4 is one of the only games this gen that feels special while you are playing it. Its incredibly intriguing throughout, I had to literally stop myself from beating it in one sitting because its that good. Most games reach a point where you are just trudging through to the end, if you can make it that far. While the story gets overly convoluted and messy, its still light years ahead of the likes of RE, Uncharteds, Deus Exs and SCs.

Each act is daring, bold and different enough from what came before it to create one of the most diverse gaming experiences this gen. Its production values are unmatched. It also takes a lot from MGS1 more than any other in the series. If you think this has longer cutscenes than even the aforementioned, than you haven't played MGS1 in a while (I replayed it last week). Every MGS game has an abundance of cutscenes, this is no different. I will say that the boss battles are the weakest in the series and my biggest disappointment with the game, especially with the improved mechanics, they could have been something special (or maybe the mechanics are hindering the fights?). Regardless its still a masterpiece.

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#37 GodModeEnabled
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Someone get the topic creator a high five and a cigar, fvcking STAT. This game completely destroyed the franchise, the story literally sh1ts all over itself, what little gameplay there is is run n gun action instead of great stealth parts. The most overated game of the entire generation. It literally baffles me how anyone had a good time with the meager small gameplay sections and the ridiculous nonsensical story.
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#38 Yusuke420
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Isn't it way past the time to start hating on MGS4? Where were you folks in 4 years ago? I played and beat this game ages ago lol.

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#39 -DirtySanchez-
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and you decided this now? hey im all for opinions but, to blast something just to blast it is sad, and thats all you seem to be doing
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I consider MGS4 to be one of the most overrated games, not just of this gen, but since gaming began.
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#41 taiwwa
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and you decided this now? hey im all for opinions but, to blast something just to blast it is sad, and thats all you seem to be doing-DirtySanchez-

inspired by another thread where a guy asked which was the best stealth action game.

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MGS4 is one of the only games this gen that feels special while you are playing it. Its incredibly intriguing throughout, I had to literally stop myself from beating it in one sitting because its that good. Most games reach a point where you are just trudging through to the end, if you can make it that far. While the story gets overly convoluted and messy, its still light years ahead of the likes of RE, Uncharteds, Deus Exs and SCs.

Each act is daring, bold and different enough from what came before it to create one of the most diverse gaming experiences this gen. Its production values are unmatched. It also takes a lot from MGS1 more than any other in the series. If you think this has longer cutscenes than even the aforementioned, than you haven't played MGS1 in a while (I replayed it last week). Every MGS game has an abundance of cutscenes, this is no different. I will say that the boss battles are the weakest in the series and my biggest disappointment with the game, especially with the improved mechanics, they could have been something special (or maybe the mechanics are hindering the fights?). Regardless its still a masterpiece.

F1Lengend

You should read your own post, it reads like you're writing about a film, not a game.

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#43 Grammaton-Cleric
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The problem with evaluating a game like MG4 is that is it, essentially, two entirely different games fused into one lengthy and at times bloated package.

The first half of the game contains some truly brilliant mechanics. The stealth, refined from MGS3, is implemented perfectly and gives the player full agency as to how they wish to progress. You can crawl through warzones on your belly with bullets whizzing overhead and opt to be a passive observer or you can engage the enemy in lethal or non-lethal fashion, killing and mining their fallen supplies. The weapon system which allows you to steal, strip, sell and customize arms is vastly superior to anything present in the previous games. It effectively turns weapons into currency; a logical extrapolation given the setting of the game.

In many ways it is the definitive sandbox stealth game, where each and every action can cause any number of responses. I clearly remember one point in the game where a helicopter was doing low passes as I remained in hiding. In a move that was both entirely unscripted and impromptu, I fired a rocket at this copter and reduced it to smoldering wreckage and it was neither a primary or secondary goal but rather the result of my own unbridled agency and decision to be proactively aggressive.

Then the game shifts and the second half becomes something far more stilted, narrow and linear. The narrative begins to invade the game play to such an extent that the latter feels more like an excuse to tell the story. Some of the second half contains solid playtime but the sheer abundance and intrusiveness of the endless torrent of cinematic cut scenes can be difficult to endure. I still enjoyed it but I also found myself wanting to watch less and play more because frankly, the second half of this game is a much more passive experience.

Still, the game does more right than wrong, assuming you can deconstruct and separate the mechanics from the overwrought and laborious narrative. I've never been particularly impressed with the stories in any of the MGS games so I didn't find this entry to be any more offensive in that regard. Kojima clearly wanted to wrap up this particular story arch and given how grossly convoluted the story had already become by the time MGS2 rolled around, I wasn't surprised that MGS4 ended as such.

When I replay this game I only play the first half and honestly, I still think that first half is one of the best games ever made.

At the same time, I can fully understand why MGS4 pissed people off.

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#44 RandoIph
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Actually, MGS3 was fairly easy to run n' gun as well.
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#45 ShadowMoses900
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Cool opinion, I disagree but whatever.

Uncharted is my favorite game on PS3, the worst would be FF13 for Far Cry 2, two of the worst games this gen IMO. In terms of exclusives I heard Haze was pretty bad.

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#46 HipHopBeats
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[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

I love how everyone says Stealth is bad in MGS4 and how you can run and gun through the entire game. I wonder if these guys actually beat this game on Hard or Extreme. You would think people saying the game is too easy would've upped the difficulty, but nope, seems b*tching about the game being too easy on a video game forum is the way to go.

And trying to stealth your way through this game is a lot more rewarding and challenging than games like Splinter Cell Conviction and Deus Ex Human Revolution. Unlike the small indoor rooms of the abovementioned games, MGS4 routinely puts you in a massive enviornment where simply learning the enemy patrol routes isn't enough. You have to constantly be on your toes, improvise and use every single gadget in your disposal. As much as I love Splinter Cell, you can just melee the first guy then use Mark & Execute on everyone else and move to the next room, rinse and repeat. In Deus Ex, you can go invisible, go from cover to cover, learn enemy routes, there are hardly ever more than 3 in a room, quick save F5, and move to the next room. Hell, the enemies even have cones. Kojima ditched cones ten years ago.

The vast areas in MGS4 gave us the best oppurtinity to use stealth. Sadly, every hater simply rambo-ed their way through the game, and complained about it being too easy.


Boss fights are equally challenging on harder difficulties and force you to use your entire arsenal instead of just buying bullets from Drebin. Vamp and Crying Wolf will rape you on Hard and Extreme.

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Dude, Spoiler tag is your friend.

Lol, why everytime someone mentions a game over 3 years old, someone pops up to mention spoiler tags? Wouldn't you have played the game by now if you were interested? Back on subject, MGS4 is one of the best games I've played this gen.

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#47 taiwwa
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Actually, MGS3 was fairly easy to run n' gun as well.RandoIph

I don't remember it being like that.

For one thing the camera didn't really allow easy run and gun. You didn't have first person aiming I believe.

Another thing is that the stealth in MGS4 could get so annoying that I would just run adn gun because it really was easier.

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#48 chilly-chill
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Having actually played MGS4, I can safely say two things: 1.) It's not the worst game on PS3 by far 2.) Most of your reasoning is bull honkey.1PMrFister

Good job on refuting taiwwa :roll:

I like how nobody can a make a good argument for MGS4. It's just "respectfully disagree" or "lol"

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#49 LoG-Sacrament
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it's a pretty good game. the storytelling is basically drivel with some of clumsiest placement of exposition imaginable. i mean, i kind of like the campiness of the formula of using the subject of the last sentence as question that's always been a staple of the series ("a hind d?" "metal gear?"), but it loses its charm when it's a gateway for another 30 minutes of blathering about nanomachines. regardless of your position on cutscenes in video games, it's just not good technique. good filmmakers are succinct.

but that stuff isn't why i play mgs4. the systems and situations for their use are a lot more sound. playing it on a decent difficulty level, areas are a great balance of managing the resources needed in killing enemies, the awareness of the guards, long term play sty|e goals, and manipulating ambient conflicts all mixed in with the stealth system's need to stop and have moments of quiet (something a lot of action games miss to the detriment of their pacing). even some of the turret sequences have a little something to them (like the need to jump off the turrent and cqc straglers in the south america act). i like that the boss battles usually take a while and they have their own natural flows. and actually, i like the world as seen through the gameplay. it doesn't need all those talking heads from the codecs. there is a sense of gravity with atmospheric battles but also slapstick gags like b-movie death screams and oil barrel hiding spots. it gives the game some balance tonally.

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#50 Michael0134567
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[QUOTE="1PMrFister"]Having actually played MGS4, I can safely say two things: 1.) It's not the worst game on PS3 by far 2.) Most of your reasoning is bull honkey.chilly-chill

Good job on refuting taiwwa :roll:

I like how nobody can a make a good argument for MGS4. It's just "respectfully disagree" or "lol"

I haven't played it, but it being the worst game on the PS3 is just lol.