Metal Gear Solid 4 is literally the worst game on the PS3

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#51 RandoIph
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[QUOTE="1PMrFister"]Having actually played MGS4, I can safely say two things: 1.) It's not the worst game on PS3 by far 2.) Most of your reasoning is bull honkey.chilly-chill

Good job on refuting taiwwa :roll:

I like how nobody can a make a good argument for MGS4. It's just "respectfully disagree" or "lol"

No one's opinion can be valid without at least a three paragraph detailed retort.
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#52 RandoIph
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[QUOTE="RandoIph"]Actually, MGS3 was fairly easy to run n' gun as well.taiwwa

I don't remember it being like that.

For one thing the camera didn't really allow easy run and gun. You didn't have first person aiming I believe.

Another thing is that the stealth in MGS4 could get so annoying that I would just run adn gun because it really was easier.

Yeah, and I don't remember MGS4 being the worst game on the system. Run n' Gun was easier in MGS3 because finding something to get against and pausing to go into the camo menu was incredibly dull and broke up the flow of the game. (as did that dumb injury healing feature) All of the MGS games are more known for the narrative, the actual gameplay in every single one of them has aged terribly. None of those games have any measurable staying power. They are more great experiences than great games, like say, Shenmue. (at least I thought it was a great experience, awful game, though)
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#53 shadowkiller11
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[QUOTE="1PMrFister"]Having actually played MGS4, I can safely say two things: 1.) It's not the worst game on PS3 by far 2.) Most of your reasoning is bull honkey.chilly-chill

Good job on refuting taiwwa :roll:

I like how nobody can a make a good argument for MGS4. It's just "respectfully disagree" or "lol"

Because it's pretty evident what the majority opinion on MGS4 is that it's a great game and it's not like TC gave any credible reasons for it.
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#54 cryceaye5
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The most overrated POS game I've ever played.

It deserves a 4/10 at best. Reasons why:

1. Stealth is not necessary to win. The fastest route is run'n'gun. MGS 3 had better stealth.

2. The story is not epic. It is stupid. Solid Snake is regrown from like his severed thumb. Octocon has a bizzarre incest confession. Raiden has both his arms chopped off so he grabs a sword in his mouth and headchops.

3. Cutscenes take forever. One is like 90 minutes I believe.

It is simply a bloated and excessive game that game reviewers slurped because 1) fanboyism/nostalgia and 2) Big-budget AAA titles have a min score of 8.5

taiwwa

I do believe that no MGS game has to be done stealthly to win. You have a choice and if you're one of those players that want to play the game properly, then you'lll play it how it's ment to be played. And MGS4 is ment to be played like every other, stealthily.

The story connects with the whole franchise and couldn't be more detailed. I'm guessing your a player that likes something simple, running around planet earth killing aliens type of gamer. If you asked any MGS fan what the stories all about, no matter how many times they've played it, they'd be finding themselves looking at the MGS database to find out more. It's sometimes that complicated you do wonder what people are talking about. However it is not overly complicated for the simple reason of trying to be Ala Assassins creed franchise. Which story is so basic and simple there's no need to fill it with sh't to try and make it hard to understand.

Solid snake is one of the best characters i've ever played in a game. Why you think he's a typical type cast character i don't know.

Otocon is a decent character with a quirky persona. There's nothing wrong with him at all.

Raiden on the other hand does not belong in the MGS franchise at all. You have alot of aspects in MGS which are very hyped enough to make sense. For example Metal Gears themselves are advanced nuclear weapons. Now we all know something like that in the future might happen. And MGsolids back story is of a nature where it could make sense in real life.

Despite this when someone like Raiden comes along, straight out of a japanese handbook and starts flipping around all over the place, taking down Gekkos like they were absolutley nothing. Then you wonder what the F'ck is this. Raiden is no Grey Fox and just simply doesn't belong in a world that MGS recides.

On that subject, none of the bosses in MGS4 belong in the franchise. I think in my opinion they're overly done to fit the needs of japanese anime lovers, who encounter these aspects in some of their shows. Plus what they portray in the first MGS, they don't even come close.

MGS is well known for it's cutscenes which add substance to the games storyline. There is enough game time in all MGS titles for me not to be bothered by them. But sometimes they're excessive. But none of them bad.

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#55 cryceaye5
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Oh and if any of you are wondering what the worst game on PS3 is. It's Haze. Worst game i have ever played. So bad that it can be played on a nokia.

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#56 F1Lengend
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Going back to MGS1, a lot of people complain about MGS4s stealth and w/e but once you reach Gray Fox, its almost all boss fights, one after another. You have the Harrier, Psycho Mantis, Raven part 2, Sniper Wolf, Rex and Liquid. There is hardly and stealth at all for 65% of the game. MGS4 has a much better balance imo it just falls short on the boss battles. As much as I love MGS1, replaying it made me love MGS4 even more.
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#57 Greyfeld
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Star Ocean and every crappy NISA JRPG on the PS3 disagree with you.

Those are LITERALLY the worst piles of garbage on ANY platform.

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#58 1PMrFister
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[QUOTE="1PMrFister"]Having actually played MGS4, I can safely say two things: 1.) It's not the worst game on PS3 by far 2.) Most of your reasoning is bull honkey.chilly-chill

Good job on refuting taiwwa :roll:

I like how nobody can a make a good argument for MGS4. It's just "respectfully disagree" or "lol"

Not really much reason to go into further detail. The OP was filled with factually inaccurate information (Otacon's incestuous relationship is never brought up in 4, just in 2) and hyperbole. To say that MGS4 is the worst game on PS3 requires ignoring other titles like Haze, Lair, that Gundam launch title, and even multiplats like Duke Nukem Forever and Sonic 2006. Titles that are actually broken from a gameplay perspective, something which MGS4 is not. Had the OP's arguments against MGS4 been more insightful (and there are quite a few that could be made against it), it would have warranted a more in-depth post. As it is, however, there's not much you can say to it other than "lolno."
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#59 naju890_963
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I personally loved MGS4. I seriously have no clue for all this MGS4 hate. The reasons you gave, don't make any sense.

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#60 Justin_G
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first of all... ALL GAMES are ... just that... games. all the same type of drivel when it comes to what everyone seems to love to take so seriously... "story" and blitheringly stupid things to judge such as that.

the game is a toy. you hate the toy, then don't play with it. i hate opinionated whiny gamers. the game is over four years old... get past it, it's a toy. nothing is "ruined" and nothing is "crap". it's all just fun, and you don't know how to have it, OP.

plus, all you other whiners.

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#61 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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How does it feel TC? Not having the ability to enjoy things that is.
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#62 Kocelot
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i beat it once and i got caught while b eing 'steatlhy' hundreds of times..

the controls are awkward as hell, and the story was just confusing.

4/10 as well.

wasnt even fun.

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#63 MrGeezer
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first of all... ALL GAMES are ... just that... games. all the same type of drivel when it comes to what everyone seems to love to take so seriously... "story" and blitheringly stupid things to judge such as that.

the game is a toy. you hate the toy, then don't play with it. i hate opinionated whiny gamers. the game is over four years old... get past it, it's a toy. nothing is "ruined" and nothing is "crap". it's all just fun, and you don't know how to have it, OP.

plus, all you other whiners.

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While I do agree that it's sort of strange to start this topic out of the blue for a game that's as old as MGS4, I can't really agree with the rest of your post. It seems like you aren't even calling the guy out for getting the criticism wrong, but are instead calling him out for simply being too critical. And I can't agree with that. Yeah, games are just stupid fluff, but there are still good games and bad games. Games might merely be toys, but surely we can all agree that some toys are good and some toys suck. And obviously, people would rather have good toys. And toymakers don't get to that point without some kind of feedback about what's working and what isn't.
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#64 Justin_G
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well, i don't want to critique anything, because it'll simply fall on deaf ears. MGS4 wasn't bad, and it was in fact... awesome.

if you don't like, it's fine, alright... i ain't saying that OP can't have his own opinion... but everything he said about the game, i think, is transparent and basically redundant. nobody cares if there wasn't enough this or that compared to wahtever. it's it's own thing and it worked.

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#65 Venom_Raptor
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You couldn't be more wrong, or blind. MGS4 is far from perfect, but it's solidly made.

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#66 sundayismyDAD
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One sentence sums this all up:

SHOW ME WHAT YOU'VE GOT, SNAKE!!!!!!!

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#67 capaho
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The most overrated POS game I've ever played.

It deserves a 4/10 at best. Reasons why:

1. Stealth is not necessary to win. The fastest route is run'n'gun. MGS 3 had better stealth.

2. The story is not epic. It is stupid. Solid Snake is regrown from like his severed thumb. Octocon has a bizzarre incest confession. Raiden has both his arms chopped off so he grabs a sword in his mouth and headchops.

3. Cutscenes take forever. One is like 90 minutes I believe.

It is simply a bloated and excessive game that game reviewers slurped because 1) fanboyism/nostalgia and 2) Big-budget AAA titles have a min score of 8.5

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You're kidding, right? I frequently disagree with GS ratings, but not on this one. MGS 4 was one of the most satisfying games I've played. I get it that you didn't like it, and the story may have had it's share of holes, but the gameplay was superb.
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#68 xWoW_Rougex
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Whining about MGS4 long cutscenes in 2012?! No joke, the first thing I did was to check if this was a necromancer thread. It was not!


And NISA says hi.

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#69 mormeckflex
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I was brought here by looking up the Paul Christoforo fiasco... You know, I shared the same thoughts as you the first day I played MGS4. That epic feeling of booting up a game that was lauded to be Playstation's savior, and one of the first exclusives that tempted over the XBOX owners. The graphics were incredible, and seeing Snake as an old man really invoked a lot of emotion...I thought the gameplay was superb as well..... But then i realised what the OP realised. I started playing the game some more. I noticed that I did not need to use any other weapons besides the default pistol and one of the very first assault rifles. I realised that after act 2, the fun aspect began to wither away, and I was pushing myself to finish the game because I had to subconsciously justify my purchase and not admit that I was merely playing a mediocre, convoluted, half-complete, Japanese drama. I had fun with the first 2 acts, but it quickly spiraled into an irritating game-movie afterwards And don't get me started on the SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER final boss battle with Ocelot. It was a silly idea (they must have been drawing straws at the time) to make the definitive fight that is meant to grant closure to the series, a fist fight with numbingly simple mechanics. A disgrace, an anti-climatic way to end the series and the rivalry between Snake and Ocelot.. My rant is done, been wanting to say that for years.. and i hope no one took offense
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#70 SPYDER0416
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Are the System Wars trolls spreading out to other boards now?

Also this thread is dumb, and you should feel dumb.

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#71 PetJel
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Are the System Wars trolls spreading out to other boards now?

Also this thread is dumb, and you should feel dumb.

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#72 Dredcrumb9
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you must be high, MGS2 is one of the best games ever made. The whole gameplay experience and story is better than all modern games.

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#73 Dredcrumb9
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the story had holes? it explained everythign. You mean it had too many drawn out cut scenes that made you loose your attention.

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#74 1PMrFister
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you must be high, MGS2 is one of the best games ever made. The whole gameplay experience and story is better than all modern games.

Dredcrumb9
Might wanna check the topic title and date again, sport.
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#75 meatgrinderz
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I don't have a PS3 but MGS4 never interested me much. If I were to get a PS3 it would be for Demons Souls, maybe the Uncharted games. 

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#76 Chris_Williams
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...6 years way to late

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#78 rragnaar
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you must be high, MGS2 is one of the best games ever made. The whole gameplay experience and story is better than all modern games.

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Please don't bump old threads like this.