Metal Gear Solid Haters should...

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"][QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]

MGS sucks. High production values, but shallow gameplay and pathetic story telling. It's outdated gameplay wrapped around the worst movie ever made.

Hulabaloza

You haven't played any mgs game obviously.

The story-telling isn't pathetic and the game-play isn't shallow nor outdated. Anyone who played mgs games would know that well. MGS and Uncharted are among the few games which allow you to shoot in two modes and more* and max payne since those are the only games I've played where you can do that*. MGS4 features 3 different shooting modes. MGS also has a combat system which was improved in mgs3. I could go on about mgs features but MGS simply redifined the stealth genre.

I played every MGS game, even if I couldn't finish force myself to finish #3.

The story in the game is wordy and extremely cheesey. Listening to 5 minutes of inane talk between people every time I save the game is not my idea of fun. What's bad about the story? Everything...including a Fat guy on roller blades, spraying hair spray to defuse bombs, comic book eletricity shooting cheese enemies. The worst thing about the story is not just how bad it is (alot of games have bad stories), but how much time they take showing it to you. They actually think that it is good, but it's painful.

I'm not against a big story either....I like the Final Fantasy games. They blast you with long cut scenes, and can definitely be cheesey, but it's actually done fairly well. That is NOT the case with MGS....the story is bad in every way.

The characters are shallow and boring. Snake has a mullet, smokes cigarettes and looks like he came from a trailer park. It's borderline racist that this is some Japanese game designer's view of an American character. Oh, and Snake is the 'cool' character, lets not get started onRaiden.

The gameplay elements are pretentious if not just outdated. In Metal Gear you hide in closets and under boxes, while games like thief and Splinter Cell have used lighting and real cover for years. MGS's gameplay really hasn't changed since the PS1 era. I'm not a fan of Splinter Cell, but its 'stealth' elements actually make sense.

Finally, the whole series rides on hype. MGS 2 sold twice as many as MGS 3.....so there were obviously alot of disappointed people. Compare that to a game like Halo, also overhyped, but Halo 2 sold alot more than Halo 1 and Halo 3 is on track to way outsell #2.

Just my opinion though....

you played every mgs game AND THEN YOU COULDN'T FINISH MGS3? WHAT THE?

These are the sayings of someone who haven't even touched the case of metal gear solid games. If you claim to have played any of metal gear games you'd know that of all videogames which have a good storyline, only metal gear offers characters bios. Of all videogames which have a good storyline, only metal gear offers none cheesy cut-scenes just as I explained to a guy before you. None of the cut-scenes are cheesy nor predictable and to prove my point, Raiden's existence wasn't cheesy nor predictable. All mgs1 scenes weren't cheesy nor predictable. the same goes

Metal gear REDIFINED the genre. Metal gear not only introduced stealth fans to the box trick, it also was the first game to include stealth camoflauge and stealth customs which you could use to blend your character with the environments. Metal gear also uses real time sniping battles like the end's, sniper wolf's, the fury's and saving emma's quest. Metal gear was the first to include many unique concepts like psycho mantis' bossfight, vulcan raven's, saving emma, fortune's bossfight, fatman's. the boss', liquid's, bomb disposing and many other concepts.

Metal gear solid was never hyped. NEVER! I had the Japanese copy of metal gear solid back in late 97 before anyone else have it and it had the eng subs and dubs option thank's to my bro's friend. When I finished playing I was speechless. When the magazines reviewd the game I was angry because I honestly expected the game to get better because it desrevs better scores.

The MGS series is probably one of the most controversial game series of all time. Evoking strong emotions from those both against it and for it.

But what is undisputed is that the game is unique; Kojima does things that nay other developer wouldn't even dream of doing - and for that I applaud him. But I personally think that the MGS series has the best storyline in a videogame ever, and I think that people should recognise the depth in the storyline instead of criticising aspects that they don't understand, or don't quite fully comprehend.

MGS adds a whole new depth to videogames, it offers a storytelling experience that just simply can't be replicated by any other medium.

Whenever people start talking about stealth games and how MGS redefined the stealth genre, I feel the need to post the truth!

Way back in 1998, MGS hit the Playstation and was a huge hit. Being sneaky wasn't something that gamers were used to at the time, and making a whole game where the main character couldn't just kill everybody in site was a change of pace.

However, that same year, Thief came out on the PC. It wasn't nearly as popular, but it was the game that nailed down what it means to be a stealth game. Where MGS deals with vision cones and soldiers who forget you were even there in a minute, Thief had you take into account the lighting of a room, the kind of floor you moved across, and how fast you moved across it. Add in the awesome (for the time) AI that would hunt you down in the shadows and some fantastic, non-linear level design, and even a level where you must infiltrate a building in a disguise like in Hitman, and you have the foundation of the modern stealth genre. Splinter Cell may appear to share more in common with MGS since both feature heroes who are super spies with a high-tech arsenal, but under the surface, Splinter Cell aspires to play more like Thief than MGS.

AtomicTangerine

The AI in metal gear games might not be sharp but I recommend that you play it on extreme if you're thaaaat good. Theif was more of a survival horror than stealth. None of metal gear levels are linear and metal gear games are known for their high interactivity with the backgrounds. You do disguise in metal gear games...

Appreciate the game for what it is. The games all have top notch voice acting, amazing cinematics, and crazy story lines. Even if you don't like MGS you should give it credit for trying things no other games have.nVidiaGaMer

Well,I´m no hater but you forgot the most important thing...gameplay,which wasn´t THAT good in MGS 2+3.Combined with a pretty pointless Storyline and a great show.Yay!I respect the Series,but I don´t think they´re that gret anymore.Stuff like that always happens...The Matrix-Movies,the Blade-Movies...and well,MGS plays like a Movie.

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]Appreciate the game for what it is. The games all have top notch voice acting, amazing cinematics, and crazy story lines. Even if you don't like MGS you should give it credit for trying things no other games have.Ash2X

Well,I´m no hater but you forgot the most important thing...gameplay,which wasn´t THAT good in MGS 2+3.Combined with a pretty pointless Storyline and a great show.Yay!I respect the Series,but I don´t think they´re that gret anymore.Stuff like that always happens...The Matrix-Movies,the Blade-Movies...and well,MGS plays like a Movie.

*sharpens her knife* :P I shall do this to anyone who writes negative posts about mgs games!

MGS2 had FPS mode over mgs1 and the whole engine was new. Please, when you say something like the game-play hasn't changed from mgs1 to 2 it makes you look like you dunno! I'm helping you here so don't ever say it again! also, mgs3 had the CQC system, camoflauge system and stamina system over mgs2 which were great additions to the series.

MGS2 storyline is if not the best, one of the best storylines ever written for a videogame. It was a bit confusing at some parts I agree but the rest of it is based on conspiracy theory so it wasn't so hard to grasp.

[QUOTE="Ash2X"]

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]Appreciate the game for what it is. The games all have top notch voice acting, amazing cinematics, and crazy story lines. Even if you don't like MGS you should give it credit for trying things no other games have.gamingqueen

Well,I´m no hater but you forgot the most important thing...gameplay,which wasn´t THAT good in MGS 2+3.Combined with a pretty pointless Storyline and a great show.Yay!I respect the Series,but I don´t think they´re that gret anymore.Stuff like that always happens...The Matrix-Movies,the Blade-Movies...and well,MGS plays like a Movie.

*sharpens her knife* :P I shall do this to anyone who writes negative posts about mgs games!

MGS2 had FPS mode over mgs1 and the whole engine was new. Please, when you say something like the game-play hasn't changed from mgs1 to 2 it makes you look like you dunno! I'm helping you here so don't ever say it again! also, mgs3 had the CQC system, camoflauge system and stamina system over mgs2 which were great additions to the series.

MGS2 storyline is if not the best, one of the best storylines ever written for a videogame. It was a bit confusing at some parts I agree but the rest of it is based on conspiracy theory so it wasn't so hard to grasp.

The gameplay has changed in MGS2...to the worse.It felt like a Rip-off.The Bosses had been awful...I think Sniper WOlf,Vulcan Raven and the others had some original feel to it and the bosses of the 2nd seem overdone (A Vampire???A girl wjo can´t be hit???) and since every MGS is basically one Bossfight after another(which is not a ad thing IMO)...the surroundings are of course a matter of personal taste,but I think the possibility to kill,or at least take to slumber without any problem,destroyed the "stealth" aspect and the tight atmosphere completely.

Plus the Storyline was crap.You maybe like it but I think it was all talk,not much sense and a awful try to make it look deep without a real direction.That´s why I think MGS3 plays in the 60´s so they didn´t need to finish what they started.Actually also one problem of the 2nd because the ending of the 1st doesn´t really fit.They tried to get around it,but I think ít worked out much worse then expected.

I don´t say that MGS2 played totally bad,but if you liked the 1st the 2nd seems like from another developer or at least rushed.The Show was great,but the only thing that made me feel I play another MGS ist the Radar on the top of the screen which I really missed in MGS3,but the year it played whould have made it look "a bit" stupid :D But the Camera in the beginnig was so bad,that I ignored this game for one year collecting dust...but the show was good so I finished it later anyway.

But,Gaming Queen,I don´t think we will get on one point with MGS2...we tried in MANY treads,I like you anyway :P

I played every MGS game, even if I couldn't finish force myself to finish #3Hulabaloza

MGS3 had just about the best endgame of any videogame released in the history of the hobby, you really missed out. The ending sequences ability to really evoke powerful emotions from the player hasn't been matched until just recently, with the release of Lost Odyssey.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"][QUOTE="Ash2X"]

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]Appreciate the game for what it is. The games all have top notch voice acting, amazing cinematics, and crazy story lines. Even if you don't like MGS you should give it credit for trying things no other games have.Ash2X

Well,I´m no hater but you forgot the most important thing...gameplay,which wasn´t THAT good in MGS 2+3.Combined with a pretty pointless Storyline and a great show.Yay!I respect the Series,but I don´t think they´re that gret anymore.Stuff like that always happens...The Matrix-Movies,the Blade-Movies...and well,MGS plays like a Movie.

*sharpens her knife* :P I shall do this to anyone who writes negative posts about mgs games!

MGS2 had FPS mode over mgs1 and the whole engine was new. Please, when you say something like the game-play hasn't changed from mgs1 to 2 it makes you look like you dunno! I'm helping you here so don't ever say it again! also, mgs3 had the CQC system, camoflauge system and stamina system over mgs2 which were great additions to the series.

MGS2 storyline is if not the best, one of the best storylines ever written for a videogame. It was a bit confusing at some parts I agree but the rest of it is based on conspiracy theory so it wasn't so hard to grasp.

The gameplay has changed in MGS2...to the worse.It felt like a Rip-off.The Bosses had been awful...I think Sniper WOlf,Vulcan Raven and the others had some original feel to it and the bosses of the 2nd seem overdone (A Vampire???A girl wjo can´t be hit???) and since every MGS is basically one Bossfight after another(which is not a ad thing IMO)...the surroundings are of course a matter of personal taste,but I think the possibility to kill,or at least take to slumber without any problem,destroyed the "stealth" aspect and the tight atmosphere completely.

Plus the Storyline was crap.You maybe like it but I think it was all talk,not much sense and a awful try to make it look deep without a real direction.That´s why I think MGS3 plays in the 60´s so they didn´t need to finish what they started.Actually also one problem of the 2nd because the ending of the 1st doesn´t really fit.They tried to get around it,but I think ít worked out much worse then expected.

I don´t say that MGS2 played totally bad,but if you liked the 1st the 2nd seems like from another developer or at least rushed.The Show was great,but the only thing that made me feel I play another MGS ist the Radar on the top of the screen which I really missed in MGS3,but the year it played whould have made it look "a bit" stupid :D But the Camera in the beginnig was so bad,that I ignored this game for one year collecting dust...but the show was good so I finished it later anyway.

But,Gaming Queen,I don´t think we will get on one point with MGS2...we tried in MANY treads,I like you anyway :P

Bosses in mgs2: mgs2 had conceptual bossfights. Fortune's bossfight was to show the basic of mgs games which is stealth even though it featured basic stealth tricks. Fatman's divided your attention on tasks like taking him down while freezing the bombs, Vamp's was to walk past vamp's hits in a very small space and Solidus' was badass! :P The katana... thwt was pure awesomeness!

Story: Didn't finish what they strated? MGS4 continues the story of mgs2.

Rushed? MGS2 was well thought. The story was excellent... Kojima could fit all sorts of game-play cause of the story. And I like you too :P if you want me to explain anything about mgs2 I'll be happy to explain it :)

[QUOTE="andalore"]Its A Great series, Its Cheesy beyond belief, But I Still think they're great games :)gamingqueen

cheesy for introducing Raiden when it was a shock to mgs fans? or having to switch controllers in pyscho mantis' bossfight? or the end's bossfight? Or having CQC? Or dual shooting system? Look cheesy and metal gear don't meet.

Cheesy For having To distract guards with Porn mags, Cheesy for Having Someone Like Volgin or Fatman As The bad Guys,The Super Smart guards *Finds Dead Body* I think "We Have An intruder", Cheesy for Having A guard pee On You, Im Not having A go at metal gear solid, Im just Saying Its Cheesy, The Games Themselves are great, But how Can You Say That MGS isnt Cheesy?