Microsoft: 2011 is all about Kinect

Lame.

Guess that means Microsoft doesn't want my money, since I refuse to buy a Kinect. I'm seriously considering selling my 360 and using the cash to get a PS3 and use that for the remainder of the generation. Only problem is, Sony is so hell-bent on trying to beat Microsoft that they're apt to come out and say "HAY GUYZ, 2011 iz all about MOVE!1"

Guess this could just be the generational passing of the torch, but I can't recall another company flat out stating that they were going to favor one type of gamer over another. Regardless, I've spent an average of about a grand on 360 games each year since launch. If they want to go after another market, they can knock themselves right the f*** out.

That is funny since I did not hear about any big kiNext game.

Lame.

Guess that means Microsoft doesn't want my money, since I refuse to buy a Kinect. I'm seriously considering selling my 360 and using the cash to get a PS3 and use that for the remainder of the generation. Only problem is, Sony is so hell-bent on trying to beat Microsoft that they're apt to come out and say "HAY GUYZ, 2011 iz all about MOVE!1"

Guess this could just be the generational passing of the torch, but I can't recall another company flat out stating that they were going to favor one type of gamer over another. Regardless, I've spent an average of about a grand on 360 games each year since launch. If they want to go after another market, they can knock themselves right the f*** out.

Shame-usBlackley

i posted this earlier this month, and people didnt seem to freak out over this too much.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27529559

I think it's alarming when the current leader of hardcore games this gen is considering going mainly casual from now on. People in that thread were okay with having their yearly dose of Halo, Gears and Fables so who am i to say anything.

I wouldnt go as far to call Sony's 2011 all about Move, especially when they have 10 core exclusives coming out next year. But sony's got its own problems. Move implementation and 3D was preferred over including online coop in KZ3.... this is especially mind boggling since offline splitscreen coop is included. Of course, as if flirting with 3D and Move wasn't enough, they are also releasing the Dead on Arrival PSP2 next year. Oh and it's not a phone. It's as if they have learned nothing from the past mistakes. What a s*** excuse for a company.

as an xbox 360 owner with no intention of buying kinect, this is not a reassuring statement.

looking at the list of announced titles for Kinect in 2011, i don't see one that screams day 1 purchase, let alone system seller. the only games that look interesting are Rise of Nightmares (by Sega, purportedly in a similar vein to D) and Child of Eden (spiritual successor to Rez, also being developed for PS3).

there are a couple other games that could end up being good, but we know next to nothing about them - Project Draco (byYukio Futatsugi, creator of Phantom Dust, collaborator on Panzer Dragoon series) and Haunt (from developer of PaRappa).

Lame.

Guess that means Microsoft doesn't want my money, since I refuse to buy a Kinect. I'm seriously considering selling my 360 and using the cash to get a PS3 and use that for the remainder of the generation. Only problem is, Sony is so hell-bent on trying to beat Microsoft that they're apt to come out and say "HAY GUYZ, 2011 iz all about MOVE!1"

Guess this could just be the generational passing of the torch, but I can't recall another company flat out stating that they were going to favor one type of gamer over another. Regardless, I've spent an average of about a grand on 360 games each year since launch. If they want to go after another market, they can knock themselves right the f*** out.

Shame-usBlackley

I suspect most of the games you are buying are third party and I don't see whythird parties would be affected by MS's new direction. Also, its worth bearing in mind that like Nintendo this gen, while MS might cease developing new IP, they will almost certainlycontinue supporting popular franchises like Gears, Halo and Fable. In short, I believe that there will be a lot of good stuff out there for you to play in 2011 and 2012.

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Lame.

Guess that means Microsoft doesn't want my money, since I refuse to buy a Kinect. I'm seriously considering selling my 360 and using the cash to get a PS3 and use that for the remainder of the generation. Only problem is, Sony is so hell-bent on trying to beat Microsoft that they're apt to come out and say "HAY GUYZ, 2011 iz all about MOVE!1"

Guess this could just be the generational passing of the torch, but I can't recall another company flat out stating that they were going to favor one type of gamer over another. Regardless, I've spent an average of about a grand on 360 games each year since launch. If they want to go after another market, they can knock themselves right the f*** out.

CarnageHeart

I suspect most of the games you are buying are third party and I don't see whythird parties would be affected by MS's new direction. Also, its worth bearing in mind that like Nintendo this gen, while MS might cease developing new IP, they will almost certainlycontinue supporting popular franchises like Gears, Halo and Fable. In short, I believe that there will be a lot of good stuff out there for you to play in 2011 and 2012.

Actually, Microsoft has spent tons of money via partnerships and 3rd party relations this generation. Just look at the exclusives (some of them timed, some not), and it's not as cut and dried. More importantly, if we look at MS' money pool as a pie that must be divied up, if a larger chunk of the pie goes to Kinect, then that share has to come from somewhere, and that is the core gaming budget.

What if Sony had just phoned it in during the PS2 era and said "Hey, we have Gran Turismo and Twisted Metal and so on, let's just keep pumping out sequels to those games and focus on Eyetoy." That would have sucked. We'd have never been able to experience important games like God of War and Shadow of the Colossus. It's not just Gears and Halo and Fable the way I see it. I EXPECT those titles, but I also expect Microsoft to be working on the Next Big Thing as well, and if they are set on making the Next Big Thing into a Kinect game.... well, then they don't want my money. I'm actually very interested to see how this all pans out, truth be told. I personally believe that my value as a consumer for outweighs that of some shmuck (or ten shmucks) who only buys a game a year. Maybe Microsoft can cultivate the casual shmuck into someone who buys as much as I do, but I doubt it. Which means they're being f****** stupid, if that turns out to be the case.

What I'm saying is that for Microsoft to shun an established fount of money like the core gamer who buys games every single month, in favor of a much more finicky one with very little history or longevity, is straight-up f***** in the head. My grandmother owns a Wii and has bought exactly ZERO games for it. She has the copy of Wii Sports that came with it, and right now, has no plans to ever buy another. It is, to her, a Wii Sports machine. A good portion of motion gamers are this way.... and that's what baffles me about MS' decision to not just support, but shift, development resources and attention towards Kinect. The Wii was hot for a while, and now -- not so much. The base they'd drawn in went away as fast as it came, while Microsoft continued to see consistent (and towards the end of the year -- exceptional) sales from offering a core gaming experience. Microsoft is running towards the same iceberg the Wii just hit, and instead of cautiously proceeding, they've got everyone on deck with their pants down waiting for it to hit the goddamn thing.

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Lame.

Guess that means Microsoft doesn't want my money, since I refuse to buy a Kinect. I'm seriously considering selling my 360 and using the cash to get a PS3 and use that for the remainder of the generation. Only problem is, Sony is so hell-bent on trying to beat Microsoft that they're apt to come out and say "HAY GUYZ, 2011 iz all about MOVE!1"

Guess this could just be the generational passing of the torch, but I can't recall another company flat out stating that they were going to favor one type of gamer over another. Regardless, I've spent an average of about a grand on 360 games each year since launch. If they want to go after another market, they can knock themselves right the f*** out.

Shame-usBlackley

I suspect most of the games you are buying are third party and I don't see whythird parties would be affected by MS's new direction. Also, its worth bearing in mind that like Nintendo this gen, while MS might cease developing new IP, they will almost certainlycontinue supporting popular franchises like Gears, Halo and Fable. In short, I believe that there will be a lot of good stuff out there for you to play in 2011 and 2012.

Actually, Microsoft has spent tons of money via partnerships and 3rd party relations this generation. Just look at the exclusives (some of them timed, some not), and it's not as cut and dried. More importantly, if we look at MS' money pool as a pie that must be divied up, if a larger chunk of the pie goes to Kinect, then that share has to come from somewhere, and that is the core gaming budget.

What if Sony had just phoned it in during the PS2 era and said "Hey, we have Gran Turismo and Ico and so on, let's just keep pumping out sequels to those games and focus on Eyetoy." That would have sucked. We'd have never been able to experience important games like God of War and Shadow of the Colossus. It's not just Gears and Halo and Fable the way I see it. I EXPECT those titles, but I also expect Microsoft to be working on the Next Big Thing as well, and if they are set on making the Next Big Thing into a Kinect game.... well, then they don't want my money. I'm actually very interested to see how this all pans out, truth be told. I personally believe that my value as a consumer for outweighs that of some shmuck (or ten shmucks) who only buys a game a year. Maybe Microsoft can cultivate the casual shmuck into someone who buys as much as I do, but I doubt it. Which means they're being f****** stupid.

What I'm saying is that for Microsoft to shun an established fount of money like the core gamer who buys games every single month, in favor of a much more finicky one with very little history or longevity, is straight-up f***** in the head. My grandmother owns a Wii and has bought exactly ZERO games for it. She has the copy of Wii Sports that came with it, and right now, has no plans to ever buy another. It is, to her, a Wii Sports machine. A good portion of motion gamers are this way.... and that's what baffles me about MS' decision to not just support, but shift, development resources and attention towards Kinect.

Its important to remember that while core gamers buy more games than casual gamers, the gap isn't as vast as the buying habits of guys like you and me (who buy at least a game a month) would indicate. The X360 has the highest attach ratio this gen and last I heard it was only 8.9, which means that most core gamers average roughly 2 games a year (less, because the average is thrown by guys like you).

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/29249/NPD_Microsoft_Attach_Rate_Hits_89_PS3_Supply_Improving.php

*Shrugs* Most console developers prefer making core games and bitter experience with the Wii has taught most publishers that they have no idea of how to reach casuals so as long as core gamers continue to buy games, I don't believe we will suffer from a shortage of great games to play.

Well someone is overly offensive and too serious over a simple forum post. "No one is saying not to support Kinect, what I am saying is that if they are hinging 2011 (their words,NOT mine) on a casual-centric device with no track record and space requirements on the living side to utilize, they're being stupid." No, it's not stupid. Kinect is making them tons of money. You act like there are no games coming out on the 360 besides kinect titles. You don't like the direction this is going, you can sell your console, but don't talk as if you've been cheated out of something you had coming.GeneralShowzer

Consumers buy systems not only for their current lineups, but their future lineups. Its not exactly the same thing, but I was very upset when Sega killed the Saturn after three years (the norm was five). Five or even two years ago, who imagined that there would come a point in time when MS would be focused on motion sensing?

BTW, there was some confusion regarding Kinect software numbers in the last NPD thread.

Dance Central sold about 350K units. (11th best selling SKU in November)

Kinect Sports - 323K.

Those are not bad numbers at all. Especially considering COD2 the best selling game for the 360's launch month sold only 251K. Despite the fact that they require an add on, Dance Central and Kinect Sports put up some pretty impressive numbers.

Numbers from Gametrailers.

More numbers:

1.COD Black Ops 360 - 4.9 million

2.COD Black Ops PS3 - 3 million

3.Assassin's Creed Brotherhood 360 - 718K

4.Just Dance 2 - 663K

5.Fable 3 -551K

6.Donkey Kong -430K

7.AC:Brotherhood PS3 - 425K

8.Gran Tursismo 5-399K

9.Halo Reach - 354K

10.Wii Fit Plus -353K

This once again proves that top ten list doesn't always show the full picture. According to the IW podcast, the top 40 games all sold over 100K. The 41st game Fifa Soccer for the 360 sold 98K.

Also, the Just Dance sequel sold 663K. We know that the original sucked, we know that it was not a game, but the casuals loved it and bought the sequel. So maybe casuals do buy games, maybe not as much as we do, but looking at Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Just Dance and Dance Central, there is definitely a market for these casual games.

Oh well, at least we still have Gears 3 to look forward to. If that goes to Kinect I'm giving up on them.

I don't know why the hell you people feel the need to play new games all the time.

If nothing you want to play is out try something for the Sega Master System you missed. I guarantee you you haven't played all worthwhile games for all platforms.

BTW, there was some confusion regarding Kinect software numbers in the last NPD thread.

Dance Central sold about 350K units. (11th best selling SKU in November)

Kinect Sports - 323K.

Those are not bad numbers at all. Especially considering COD2 the best selling game for the 360's launch month sold only 251K. Despite the fact that they require an add on, Dance Central and Kinect Sports put up some pretty impressive numbers.

Numbers from Gametrailers.

More numbers:

1.COD Black Ops 360 - 4.9 million

2.COD Black Ops PS3 - 3 million

3.Assassin's Creed Brotherhood 360 - 718K

4.Just Dance 2 - 663K

5.Fable 3 -551K

6.Donkey Kong -430K

7.AC:Brotherhood PS3 - 425K

8.Gran Tursismo 5-399K

9.Halo Reach - 354K

10.Wii Fit Plus -353K

This once again proves that top ten list doesn't always show the full picture. According to the IW podcast, the top 40 games all sold over 100K. The 41st game Fifa Soccer for the 360 sold 98K.

Also, the Just Dance sequel sold 663K. We know that the original sucked, we know that it was not a game, but the casuals loved it and bought the sequel. So maybe casuals do buy games, maybe not as much as we do, but looking at Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Just Dance and Dance Central, there is definitely a market for these casual games.

S0lidSnake

Yeah, casual gaming is huge (nods towards Facebook and iphone games) so clearly casual gamers are here to stay. I don't think the broadening will cost core gamers anything though. Most casual game developers are either guys with no history of core game development or guys whodidn't have muchcommercial success makingcore games.

As I've said before, I think the pricing of Sony and to a lesser extent MS's hardware has done more damage to core gaming than anything Nintendo or Zygna or what have you has done.

Funny how they said they would support the PC more.Vexx88

That's a promise MS makes every year. The gaming division of MS will stay squarely focused on the Xbox. There are a lot more PCs floating around, but MS completely controls the X360 and gets paid by people who want to play online and gets a percentage of every bit of downloadable content.

Whats comming out from the Kinect? I haven't seen any thing major yet. Btw with Killzone 3 and Socom comming out I think Move have a better lineup atm

Whats comming out from the Kinect? I haven't seen any thing major yet. Btw with Killzone 3 and Socom comming out I think Move have a better lineup atm

shadow13702