More & more games need passess to play online!

Is it just me or are more and more games require codes just to play online. It never used to be like this. I mean come on, were buying used games only to find out we need to spend a additional $10 to play what we just bought! Your thoughts?




Popular Games that need online passes
Assassin?s Creed: Revelations
Battlefield 3, 2
Bulletstorm
Dead Space 2
DiRT3
Dragon Age 2
Driver: San Francisco
EA Sports MMA
F1 2011
FEAR 3
Fifa 11, 12
Fight Night Champion
Homefront
Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational (Vita)
Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning
Madden NFL 11, 12, 13
Mass Effect 3
Medal of Honor
Mortal Kombat
NBA Elite 11
NCAA Football 11, 12, 13
Need for Speed (Hot Pursuit, The Run, Shift 2)
NHL 11, 12, 13
Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One
Resistance 3
Skate 3
Socom Fireteam Bravo 3
Socom 4
SSX
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11, 12, 13
Twisted Metal (PS3)
UFC 2010 Undisputed
Uncharted 3
Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine
Wipeout 2048 (Vita)
WWE ?12
WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2011

So buy them new.

Then just buy them new and don't worry about getting them used. Simple as that, point blank!

Is it just me or are more and more games require codes just to play online. It never used to be like this. I mean come on, were buying used games only to find out we need to spend a additional $10 to play what we just bought! Your thoughts?




Popular Games that need online passes
Assassin?s Creed: Revelations
Battlefield 3, 2
Bulletstorm
Dead Space 2
DiRT3
Dragon Age 2
Driver: San Francisco
EA Sports MMA
F1 2011
FEAR 3
Fifa 11, 12
Fight Night Champion
Homefront
Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational (Vita)
Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning
Madden NFL 11, 12, 13
Mass Effect 3
Medal of Honor
Mortal Kombat
NBA Elite 11
NCAA Football 11, 12, 13
Need for Speed (Hot Pursuit, The Run, Shift 2)
NHL 11, 12, 13
Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One
Resistance 3
Skate 3
Socom Fireteam Bravo 3
Socom 4
SSX
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11, 12, 13
Twisted Metal (PS3)
UFC 2010 Undisputed
Uncharted 3
Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine
Wipeout 2048 (Vita)
WWE ?12
WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2011

Davulao

As you can see, the sheeple see no problem with this ridiculous practice, despite the fact that it infringes on consumers' rights to freely buy/sell/trade use products. This is a problem that I saw coming a mile away when EA began their "Project Ten Dollar" initiative, and many people refused to believe that it would grow in severity.

Well, the writing's on the wall, and the same people that claimed it wouldn't grow are still trying to convince themselves that it's perfectly acceptable, because purchasing used games is somehow evil and akin to stealing money directly out of the developers' pockets.

Running severs isn't cheap. Not sure why people feel they should be able to use someone else's resources without contributing to those resources.

I see no problem with online passes. Online gaming is a service and this service is "free" for folks who have purchased the game new and part of the gaming cost is the online service. Because online gaming needs ongoing support, asking used games buyers to pay to play online seems rather fair.

Sad story bro, it's just what gaming is becoming. I don't like it too, but w/e.

Well it does cost money to keep servers on line. I have just purchased Fifa Soccer for the PSvita. Thus I had to create my first EA account. Now I have an EA/Origin account. Even on the PSvita I need a on-line pass.

Yep times have changed. So if your a huge on line gaming fan. Having the need to have an on-line pass for each game you own and if having to pay extra. Just to do something that once was "free". PC gaming has always been "free" for on-line play

On line play is free for the PS3. But next generation for the PS4 is not going to be free.

Having to pay extra on top of the original purchase price if the game is used. Is understandable servers cost money. But when you buy an new game you shouldn't have to pay extra.

Popular Games that need online passes
Battlefield 3, 2

Davulao

Battlefield 2 doesn't need an online pass.
you can make as maaany accounts as you wanttt

unless you meant Bad Company 2
*frown*

(I donno if Bad Company 2 needs one)

It's an easy way to make money, and will continue to exist. I have yet to buy one, and probably never will.

Its just the state of gaming nowadays. Most gamers are idiots who dont care that they're being shafted as long as they get to play their precious game. I mean, look at Diablo 3.

Whenever a publisher starts using this online pass crap, I only ever buy their games used from that point on. I refuse to support this abuse of customer's rights.

Its just the state of gaming nowadays. Most gamers are idiots who dont care that they're being shafted as long as they get to play their precious game. I mean, look at Diablo 3.

Whenever a publisher starts using this online pass crap, I only ever buy their games used from that point on. I refuse to support this abuse of customer's rights.

TJORLY

[QUOTE="Davulao"]
Popular Games that need online passes
Battlefield 3, 2

IcyToasters

Battlefield 2 doesn't need an online pass.
you can make as maaany accounts as you wanttt

unless you meant Bad Company 2
*frown*

(I donno if Bad Company 2 needs one)

Well it does cost money to keep servers on line. I have just purchased Fifa Soccer for the PSvita. Thus I had to create my first EA account. Now I have an EA/Origin account. Even on the PSvita I need a on-line pass.

Yep times have changed. So if your a huge on line gaming fan. Having the need to have an on-line pass for each game you own and if having to pay extra. Just to do something that once was "free". PC gaming has always been "free" for on-line play

On line play is free for the PS3. But next generation for the PS4 is not going to be free.

Having to pay extra on top of the original purchase price if the game is used. Is understandable servers cost money. But when you buy an new game you shouldn't have to pay extra.

Megavideogamer

I find this "servers cost money" argument amazingly silly, considering the plethora of games that seem to turn a profit just fine without ever charging a dime after the original cost of the game.

[QUOTE="IcyToasters"]

Battlefield 2 doesn't need an online pass.
you can make as maaany accounts as you wanttt

unless you meant Bad Company 2
*frown*

(I donno if Bad Company 2 needs one)

Davulao

I'll redirect my frown at that website
mixin' up names.
rrr

;p

I find this "servers cost money" argument amazingly silly, considering the plethora of games that seem to turn a profit just fine without ever charging a dime after the original cost of the game.

Greyfeld

I buy all my games new so it im not really being effected by it. Its only when i borrow a game, or try to play the game on another gametag do i remember i hate online passes.

At the same time i really believe gaming takes place offline. If you need the internet to play your game then its not really a game in my eyes. Games are about the single player experiences anyways, so the online multiplayer deathmatch mode doesnt really effect me.

Makes me wonder what people would do if the internet didnt exist. I remember when no games needed, or used the internet.

Its just the state of gaming nowadays. Most gamers are idiots who dont care that they're being shafted as long as they get to play their precious game. I mean, look at Diablo 3.

Whenever a publisher starts using this online pass crap, I only ever buy their games used from that point on. I refuse to support this abuse of customer's rights.

TJORLY

It's okay everyone sitting here saying "oh buy them knew, cheap skate" well not everyone can afford brand new games. You know people with families with rent, food to pay for. Open ur eyesPrince_Rhymz

It's okay everyone sitting here saying "oh buy them knew, cheap skate" well not everyone can afford brand new games. You know people with families with rent, food to pay for. Open ur eyesPrince_Rhymz

I'm confused. Gamers throw a fit and complain to no end about locking used games on new consoles, but when a silly practice like online passes is brought up for discussion, it's brushed off and all the TC gets is "just buy games new"? I know the former is far more extreme than the latter, but both principles alienate and breach consumer rights (and we must keep in mind that both are attempts to combat the used game market).

[QUOTE="Prince_Rhymz"]It's okay everyone sitting here saying "oh buy them knew, cheap skate" well not everyone can afford brand new games. You know people with families with rent, food to pay for. Open ur eyesAvatarMan96

Who said anything about a $400 game console? You can get a ps3 for $250 and a 360 for $200 now. And used games sometimes do cost a lot less then new. Depends on where you look.

And these passes even annoy people who buy new. Like people have already said, if you take th game over a friend's house or borrow a game, you can't play online.

[QUOTE="TJORLY"]

Its just the state of gaming nowadays. Most gamers are idiots who dont care that they're being shafted as long as they get to play their precious game. I mean, look at Diablo 3.

Whenever a publisher starts using this online pass crap, I only ever buy their games used from that point on. I refuse to support this abuse of customer's rights.

Yusuke420

When devs start cutting single player content to secondhand buyers (which to a lesser extent has occurred) then that's where I think it gets extremely ridiculous. SoNin360

Every single industry in the world has to deal with secondhand sales. Does Steve Miller deserve a cut if I sell my copy of Fly Like an Eagle at a yard sale? Does IKEA deserve any money when someone purchases one of their desks at a thrift store? Does JK Rowling deserve compensation for the innumerable used copies of Harry Potter that get sold every day? I can't believe anyone could even make that argument. What in the hell makes the gaming industry different from the movie industry? Or the lawnmower industry? Or the scented candle industry?famicommander

I've been saying the same thing for ages now, I'm glad to see another person here on GS that realizes that the gaming industry is run by businesses just like any other, and like others there are second-hand sales which have been around since the beginning, yet those industries are still alive and well, just like gaming. I mean honestly, the amount of people who believe the nonsense about used games damaging the industry need a reality check.

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"]

I find this "servers cost money" argument amazingly silly, considering the plethora of games that seem to turn a profit just fine without ever charging a dime after the original cost of the game.

lazyathew

Its just the state of gaming nowadays. Most gamers are idiots who dont care that they're being shafted as long as they get to play their precious game. I mean, look at Diablo 3.

Whenever a publisher starts using this online pass crap, I only ever buy their games used from that point on. I refuse to support this abuse of customer's rights.

TJORLY

Couldnt have said it better myself. Let them continue getting ripped off by publishers who only want ever more money from them with the milking and DLC and online passes.

So buy them new.

XaosII

Thats not the issue here...

lol @ half that list being EA games

Today I'll be getting Lollipop Chainsaw from Amazon - brand new for $45.98, including release-date delivery. Or I could have gone to Gamestop, I see they've got it for $54.99 USED. Plus tax of course, which brings the total to $57.73.

So you see why I don't have a problem with this?

The amount you save in buying used isn't worth it in my opinion. I'm not saying used games are bad, because I use them to build my collections of PS1 and PS2 games that are no longer in print (I'll buy these new if the price is right). There's no reason for me to buy any current release used, because as previous users have pointed out you can get all types of deals on new games.

Don't be such a cheap skate, and buy 'em new. Easy as that.AvatarMan96

We're not being cheap.

Game developers and publishers are being greedy.

They try to make it sound reasonable. They try to demonize Gamestop for selling used games by saying it "steals" money from the developer.

What a load of crap. They need to stop making their cause sound "righteous."

The truth is that they just want to milk us for as much money as possible.

You know what would happen if they got rid of used games all together? They'd lose EVEN MORE money.

I, among many other gamers, would stop buying new games. It'd be time for a boycott.

Sometimes we like to buy used games to save some money because $60 is asking for too much. (Especially if the game is only 8 hours long.)

[QUOTE="AvatarMan96"]Don't be such a cheap skate, and buy 'em new. Easy as that.GeoffZak

We're not being cheap.

Game developers and publishers are being greedy.

They try to make it sound reasonable. They try to demonize Gamestop for selling used games by saying it "steals" money from the developer.

What a load of crap. They need to stop making their cause sound "righteous."

The truth is that they just want to milk us for as much money as possible.

You know what would happen if they got rid of used games all together? They'd lose EVEN MORE money.

I, among many other gamers, would stop buying new games. It'd be time for a boycott.

Sometimes we like to buy used games to save some money because $60 is asking for too much. (Especially if the game is only 8 hours long.)

We also need to keep in mind that gaming is a hobby is by no means a need for every day life, so prices are relatively exensive depending where you are (new games where I live range from $80 - $100). So if someone wants to save 10 bucks or more on a game they've been dying to play, it's by no means being "cheap", it's just the means they wish to go by to be able to enjoy their hobby.

Sometimes we like to buy used games to save some money because $60 is asking for too much. (Especially if the game is only 8 hours long.)

GeoffZak

What about supporting the developer? What about helping build a solid franchise that around for years? By purchasing a game new, you give your money to the developer that earned it with their hard work, not the retail company that is getting fat off the left overs. There are plenty of outlets to purchase a game new at a reduced price, so the whole "I buy used to save money" arguement is a fallacy. Why should you be able to experience these increasingly expensive form of entertainment, without compensating the people that created it in some way. How does buying a ten dollar pass for a game you probably paid half of the retail price for sound so unfair.

What about supporting the developer? What about helping build a solid franchise that around for years? By purchasing a game new, you give your money to the developer that earned it with their hard work, not the retail company that is getting fat off the left overs. There are plenty of outlets to purchase a game new at a reduced price, so the whole "I buy used to save money" arguement is a fallacy. Why should you be able to experience these increasingly expensive form of entertainment, without compensating the people that created it in some way. How does buying a ten dollar pass for a game you probably paid half of the retail price for sound so unfair.

Yusuke420

Whenever the issue of used games comes up and a developer or publisher says used sales hurt the industry gamers always get up in arms claiming BS on that notion saying that not only do used sales not hurt the industry but in many ways help. Yet here, a couple of people said something I see gamers say all the time, "Company X did something I don't like so I only buy their games used." That sentiment seems to be saying you're punishing a company by not purchasing their games new which gives credence to the point many in the industry argue about used sales hurting the industry. If used sales have no negative impact on a company as so many gamers argue then why do so many gamers proclaim to only buy used in an effort to harm a company they don't like? It comes off as very hypocritical.

Whenever the issue of used games comes up and a developer or publisher says used sales hurt the industry gamers always get up in arms claiming BS on that notion saying that not only do used sales not hurt the industry but in many ways help. Yet here, a couple of people said something I see gamers say all the time, "Company X did something I don't like so I only buy their games used." That sentiment seems to be saying you're punishing a company by not purchasing their games new which gives credence to the point many in the industry argue about used sales hurting the industry. If used sales have no negative impact on a company as so many gamers argue then why do so many gamers proclaim to only buy used in an effort to harm a company they don't like? It comes off as very hypocritical.

shadowdisciple