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#101 gr1ndgr1nd
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Definitely FF7! Phewf, I'm glad so many people agree with me. I played this game when it first came out and I didn't see what was so great about it. The graphics were awful which I just couldn't get past, and the gameplay in general wasn't that great to me. I started playing Legend of Dragoon around the same time and everything was so amazing about it, a lot better than FF7, so eventually I just stopped playing FF7 and never could get back into it. To this day people keep saying how great that game is but I really just don't see it.

While I donot think everyone will like the game, and many may think its overrated, it is certainly one of the most important games out there Why? Because it opened up the console market for rpgs in general. We would not get the bioware games or anything like that if it was not for that game on our current consoles. Sure you maynot like the game itself but what it did for consoles cannot be denied.

The reason alot of peopel did play the game was the massive ad campaign that Sony did for it. No Final Fantasy before it got any sort of campaign here in the United States in anyway shape or form. If you were around in 1997, ffvii was everywhere from rolling Stone magazine, to having its own pepsi 12 pack boxes to its action figures being available at video game stores. The game introduce people to RPGs in general, and thus a once niche group exploded into something big and because of that marketing campaign it opened up the console rpg markets for all kinds of rpgs in the future. Would we have gotten the fallouts on consoles if it was not for this game? Probably not...

agree.....but many people play FF7 today and give 10))) that psyhology...
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#103 TheTrueMagusX1
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[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

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Definitely FF7! Phewf, I'm glad so many people agree with me. I played this game when it first came out and I didn't see what was so great about it. The graphics were awful which I just couldn't get past, and the gameplay in general wasn't that great to me. I started playing Legend of Dragoon around the same time and everything was so amazing about it, a lot better than FF7, so eventually I just stopped playing FF7 and never could get back into it. To this day people keep saying how great that game is but I really just don't see it.

gr1ndgr1nd

While I donot think everyone will like the game, and many may think its overrated, it is certainly one of the most important games out there Why? Because it opened up the console market for rpgs in general. We would not get the bioware games or anything like that if it was not for that game on our current consoles. Sure you maynot like the game itself but what it did for consoles cannot be denied.

The reason alot of peopel did play the game was the massive ad campaign that Sony did for it. No Final Fantasy before it got any sort of campaign here in the United States in anyway shape or form. If you were around in 1997, ffvii was everywhere from rolling Stone magazine, to having its own pepsi 12 pack boxes to its action figures being available at video game stores. The game introduce people to RPGs in general, and thus a once niche group exploded into something big and because of that marketing campaign it opened up the console rpg markets for all kinds of rpgs in the future. Would we have gotten the fallouts on consoles if it was not for this game? Probably not...

agree.....but many people play FF7 today and give 10))) that psyhology...

I will agree with you on that. I will confess when I first played the game like many it blew me away, and for personal and nostalgia reasons its a special game to me. However thats a long story in itself, and despite that I recognize that it is flawed. In my opinion the gameplay is fine, the problem is with the aged graphics compared to the other ffs, however in another thread I donot judge a game based on this. FFVII I make the exception being that VIII and FFIX look far better and look good imo to this day to me. Also the biggest beef I have is with its sloppy translation. The problem with the translation is that it sometimes go into engrish and it makes the story more complex than it already is....I recognize its opinion, but I donot let my own personal feelings about the game blind me. And I Prefer FFVI anyhow...

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#104 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="Foulcry"]

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oh yeah :P ;)

However I own and played almost every console and I'm just extremely pro-sega. sega for me stands for love, passion and creativity that is rare nowadays in games. sega didn't care for making money, when they had a great idea they made it happen and wether it would succeed was a whole different thing. they had the most advanced arcade and software hardware in every generation. whenever they made money they would immediately use it to create something new.

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Yea they had passion alright. Their passion was creating systems and then abandoning them.

don''t get me started on the Famicom Disk System , Virtual Boy , Nintendo 64DD and Gamecube as well as the original Xbox, which are all just as guilty of that.

I don't understand why you put GameCube and Xbox in here, they both lasted a fair time. Maybe MS killed Xbox prematurely, but they certainly weren't simply cut off like many Sega systems were. Also Famicom Disk and 64DD were released only in Japan.

The Master System flopped on the US market and it took only three years untill the Genesis/Mega Drive came out. Furthermore, both, the Sega CD and 32X flopped (the Sega CD not so hard as 32X, though) and 32X support was cut in about a year. Saturn and Dreamcast were no better, with Saturn being defeated on the Western markets by 1998 and Dreamcast dropping out on the US market before the GameCube and Xbox came out.

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halo , this game was so hyped after the first halo it wasnt even funny,

they kept thinking it would continue to revolutionize fpses the way they were etc,

but when halo 2 finally came it was a disappointment to bungie , and let me tell you that when the developer of their own game is disappointed it means more then us being disappointed at them

cause they are the ones who made the game

,, that said im going with halo , 2 and up

What in the world are you talking about?
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MGS 2: Sons of Liberty

Great game mechanics, great features.... Bad codec/cutscenes, misleading preview (you only play as snake for the first 1/20th of the game)

In terms of showing off the new PS2, it did well, graphically and soundly. But in terms of storyline, in has more in common with Snake's Revenge.

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[QUOTE="TerragonSix"]

MGS 2: Sons of Liberty

Great game mechanics, great features.... Bad codec/cutscenes, misleading preview (you only play as snake for the first 1/20th of the game)

In terms of showing off the new PS2, it did well, graphically and soundly. But in terms of storyline, in has more in common with Snake's Revenge.

uhhhhhhhh no, no it doesn't. Your exaggerating a little too much with the Snake's Revenge thing. I'll agree with not playing snake throughout the entire game is upsetting but once you get over that then it's actually a really great game and earns its spot as a sequel title.
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#108 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="Foulcry"] Yea they had passion alright. Their passion was creating systems and then abandoning them.

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don''t get me started on the Famicom Disk System , Virtual Boy , Nintendo 64DD and Gamecube as well as the original Xbox, which are all just as guilty of that.

I don't understand why you put GameCube and Xbox in here, they both lasted a fair time. Maybe MS killed Xbox prematurely, but they certainly weren't simply cut off like many Sega systems were. Also Famicom Disk and 64DD were released only in Japan.

The Master System flopped on the US market and it took only three years untill the Genesis/Mega Drive came out. Furthermore, both, the Sega CD and 32X flopped (the Sega CD not so hard as 32X, though) and 32X support was cut in about a year. Saturn and Dreamcast were no better, with Saturn being defeated on the Western markets by 1998 and Dreamcast dropping out on the US market before the GameCube and Xbox came out.

because the Gamecube lasted only up until the Wii was released , so really about 5 years, only 1 year more then the Saturn. so because the SMS did badly in the US it flopped? I assume by that standard the NES flopped because here it didn't do very well compared to the SMS. and if something was in Japan , its still there, and Nintendo promised the 64DD and FDS to the western markets and didn't , so its even worse.
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

don''t get me started on the Famicom Disk System , Virtual Boy , Nintendo 64DD and Gamecube as well as the original Xbox, which are all just as guilty of that.

Darkman2007

I don't understand why you put GameCube and Xbox in here, they both lasted a fair time. Maybe MS killed Xbox prematurely, but they certainly weren't simply cut off like many Sega systems were. Also Famicom Disk and 64DD were released only in Japan.

The Master System flopped on the US market and it took only three years untill the Genesis/Mega Drive came out. Furthermore, both, the Sega CD and 32X flopped (the Sega CD not so hard as 32X, though) and 32X support was cut in about a year. Saturn and Dreamcast were no better, with Saturn being defeated on the Western markets by 1998 and Dreamcast dropping out on the US market before the GameCube and Xbox came out.

because the Gamecube lasted only up until the Wii was released , so really about 5 years, only 1 year more then the Saturn. so because the SMS did badly in the US it flopped? I assume by that standard the NES flopped because here it didn't do very well compared to the SMS. and if something was in Japan , its still there, and Nintendo promised the 64DD and FDS to the western markets and didn't , so its even worse.

How is that worse? Atleast we didn't get to see how bad it did and waste are money on it. Sega didn't even hesitate and released the Sega CD (crap), 32X (crap), Sega Master System (wasn't crap but did bad in the US), and SEGA Saturn (flopped). 4 game consoles that did bad here in the US which is more then any other Company that released a console here and I'm not even getting started on all the other revised versions like the Mega CD and the Genesis 3 etc. So whats worse? Just face it SEGA botched up.....alot in the North American market anyway. Apparently everywhere else too considering they aren't making consoles anymore.

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

I don't understand why you put GameCube and Xbox in here, they both lasted a fair time. Maybe MS killed Xbox prematurely, but they certainly weren't simply cut off like many Sega systems were. Also Famicom Disk and 64DD were released only in Japan.

The Master System flopped on the US market and it took only three years untill the Genesis/Mega Drive came out. Furthermore, both, the Sega CD and 32X flopped (the Sega CD not so hard as 32X, though) and 32X support was cut in about a year. Saturn and Dreamcast were no better, with Saturn being defeated on the Western markets by 1998 and Dreamcast dropping out on the US market before the GameCube and Xbox came out.

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because the Gamecube lasted only up until the Wii was released , so really about 5 years, only 1 year more then the Saturn. so because the SMS did badly in the US it flopped? I assume by that standard the NES flopped because here it didn't do very well compared to the SMS. and if something was in Japan , its still there, and Nintendo promised the 64DD and FDS to the western markets and didn't , so its even worse.

How is that worse? Atleast we didn't get to see how bad it did and waste are money on it. Sega didn't even hesitate and released the Sega CD (crap), 32X (crap), Sega Master System (wasn't crap but did bad in the US), and SEGA Saturn (flopped). 4 game consoles that did bad here in the US which is more then any other Company that released a console here and I'm not even getting started on all the other revised versions like the Mega CD and the Genesis 3 etc. So whats worse? Just face it SEGA botched up.....alot in the North American market anyway. Apparently everywhere else too considering they aren't making consoles anymore.

lol you forgot to add the Dreamcast to that list of consoles that flopped, it did as badly as the Saturn. so because it wasn't released in the US and was essentially a lie , then its better? well sorry, but I always felt that when a promise is made, it should be kept. oh and the Mega CD wasn't bad at all, it does have some good games. and focusing only on the US market is like ignoring 2/3 of the gaming public, its absurd, if I were to focus on the European market , then I would think the NES flopped (it did here) , when of course we know that in Japan and the US it did extrememly well. Sega did well in different places in different times, the SMS was popular in Europe, the Mega Drive was popular everywhere but Japan , the Saturn was popular in Japan , and the Dreamcast wasn't all that popular anywhere, though it did better in the west then in Japan.
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[QUOTE="Foulcry"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] because the Gamecube lasted only up until the Wii was released , so really about 5 years, only 1 year more then the Saturn. so because the SMS did badly in the US it flopped? I assume by that standard the NES flopped because here it didn't do very well compared to the SMS. and if something was in Japan , its still there, and Nintendo promised the 64DD and FDS to the western markets and didn't , so its even worse.Darkman2007

How is that worse? Atleast we didn't get to see how bad it did and waste are money on it. Sega didn't even hesitate and released the Sega CD (crap), 32X (crap), Sega Master System (wasn't crap but did bad in the US), and SEGA Saturn (flopped). 4 game consoles that did bad here in the US which is more then any other Company that released a console here and I'm not even getting started on all the other revised versions like the Mega CD and the Genesis 3 etc. So whats worse? Just face it SEGA botched up.....alot in the North American market anyway. Apparently everywhere else too considering they aren't making consoles anymore.

lol you forgot to add the Dreamcast to that list of consoles that flopped, it did as badly as the Saturn. so because it wasn't released in the US and was essentially a lie , then its better? well sorry, but I always felt that when a promise is made, it should be kept. oh and the Mega CD wasn't bad at all, it does have some good games. and focusing only on the US market is like ignoring 2/3 of the gaming public, its absurd, if I were to focus on the European market , then I would think the NES flopped (it did here) , when of course we know that in Japan and the US it did extrememly well. Sega did well in different places in different times, the SMS was popular in Europe, the Mega Drive was popular everywhere but Japan , the Saturn was popular in Japan , and the Dreamcast wasn't all that popular anywhere, though it did better in the west then in Japan.

ok so 5 did bad which adds to my point lol. What games did the Mega CD have besides 2 or 3 goods ones that i can think of Sonic CD and Snatcher (the only English version). It might have done well at different times but it didn't do as well as everything else that was doing well all at once everywhere. The point is SEGA didn't do so well console wise compared to everything else that was out on the market. They also pissed off a lot of loyal fans. North America is where SEGA really screwed up and thats all I'm saying. I'm not trying to compare America to Europe. I live in America and not in Europe so what might be good to you might not be good to us over here. Which makes all of what we are talking about especially with the way your looking at things very debatable. Which also means we could be sitting here for hours over this and there is no point.

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Foulcry"] How is that worse? Atleast we didn't get to see how bad it did and waste are money on it. Sega didn't even hesitate and released the Sega CD (crap), 32X (crap), Sega Master System (wasn't crap but did bad in the US), and SEGA Saturn (flopped). 4 game consoles that did bad here in the US which is more then any other Company that released a console here and I'm not even getting started on all the other revised versions like the Mega CD and the Genesis 3 etc. So whats worse? Just face it SEGA botched up.....alot in the North American market anyway. Apparently everywhere else too considering they aren't making consoles anymore.

Foulcry

lol you forgot to add the Dreamcast to that list of consoles that flopped, it did as badly as the Saturn. so because it wasn't released in the US and was essentially a lie , then its better? well sorry, but I always felt that when a promise is made, it should be kept. oh and the Mega CD wasn't bad at all, it does have some good games. and focusing only on the US market is like ignoring 2/3 of the gaming public, its absurd, if I were to focus on the European market , then I would think the NES flopped (it did here) , when of course we know that in Japan and the US it did extrememly well. Sega did well in different places in different times, the SMS was popular in Europe, the Mega Drive was popular everywhere but Japan , the Saturn was popular in Japan , and the Dreamcast wasn't all that popular anywhere, though it did better in the west then in Japan.

ok so 5 did bad which adds to my point lol. What games did the Mega CD have besides 2 or 3 goods ones that i can think of Sonic CD and Snatcher (the only English version). It might have done well at different times but it didn't do as well as everything else that was doing well all at once everywhere. The point is SEGA didn't do so well console wise compared to everything else that was out on the market. They also pissed off a lot of loyal fans. North America is where SEGA really screwed up and thats all I'm saying. I'm not trying to compare America to Europe. I live in America and not in Europe so what might be good to you might not be good to us over here. Which makes all of what we are talking about especially with the way your looking at things very debatable.

ok , ill list some good Mega CD games

Sonic CD

Snatcher

Lunar Silver Star Story

Lunar 2 Eternal Blue

Silpheed

Earthworm Jim Special Edition

Sol Feace

Jaguar XJ220

and there are more too.

more then the 2-3 games you mentioned, do you own a Mega CD to say it sucked?

look , Im not saying Sega's systems were all fantastically successful , but they get blamed for things which quite frankly others are just as guilty of , its as simple as that. I could start listing all the dumb accusations.

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[QUOTE="Foulcry"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] lol you forgot to add the Dreamcast to that list of consoles that flopped, it did as badly as the Saturn. so because it wasn't released in the US and was essentially a lie , then its better? well sorry, but I always felt that when a promise is made, it should be kept. oh and the Mega CD wasn't bad at all, it does have some good games. and focusing only on the US market is like ignoring 2/3 of the gaming public, its absurd, if I were to focus on the European market , then I would think the NES flopped (it did here) , when of course we know that in Japan and the US it did extrememly well. Sega did well in different places in different times, the SMS was popular in Europe, the Mega Drive was popular everywhere but Japan , the Saturn was popular in Japan , and the Dreamcast wasn't all that popular anywhere, though it did better in the west then in Japan.Darkman2007

ok so 5 did bad which adds to my point lol. What games did the Mega CD have besides 2 or 3 goods ones that i can think of Sonic CD and Snatcher (the only English version). It might have done well at different times but it didn't do as well as everything else that was doing well all at once everywhere. The point is SEGA didn't do so well console wise compared to everything else that was out on the market. They also pissed off a lot of loyal fans. North America is where SEGA really screwed up and thats all I'm saying. I'm not trying to compare America to Europe. I live in America and not in Europe so what might be good to you might not be good to us over here. Which makes all of what we are talking about especially with the way your looking at things very debatable.

ok , ill list some good Mega CD games

Sonic CD

Snatcher

Lunar Silver Star Story

Lunar 2 Eternal Blue

Silpheed

Earthworm Jim Special Edition

Sol Feace

Jaguar XJ220

and there are more too.

more then the 2-3 games you mentioned, do you own a Mega CD to say it sucked?

look , Im not saying Sega's systems were all fantastically successful , but they get blamed for things which quite frankly others are just as guilty of , its as simple as that. I could start listing all the dumb accusations.

Thats the thing though I wasn't trying to list dumb accusations. I was just listing one accusation that's a known fact about SEGA that I personally had a problem with when it came to SEGA consoles. Yes I owned a Mega CD and half of those games I believe are multiplats. I also only liked 3 of the games you mentioned so....lol. I know I'm not pointing fingers man.

I understand your point of view to a certain point but I can't fully agree because your views are different then mine on SEGA and that has a lot to do with your being in Europe and me being in America the market was completely different there at that time compared to here. Europe had different tastes then we did. Thats a big reason why the Sega Master System did better in Europe then the NES.

Like I said I loved the consoles that SEGA made that succeeded and not just because they were popular but because all the systems that did flop were crap in my personal experience. The only one I loved that is my favorite that didn't do so well was the Dreamcast. Saturn had some decent games too. I remember buying it strictly for the Virtua Fighter 2 port. I like the arcade feel type games on the Saturn and same for Dreamcast. What it all comes down too though is that SEGAdid more wrong things with these systems then right things and thats why they failed.

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="Foulcry"] ok so 5 did bad which adds to my point lol. What games did the Mega CD have besides 2 or 3 goods ones that i can think of Sonic CD and Snatcher (the only English version). It might have done well at different times but it didn't do as well as everything else that was doing well all at once everywhere. The point is SEGA didn't do so well console wise compared to everything else that was out on the market. They also pissed off a lot of loyal fans. North America is where SEGA really screwed up and thats all I'm saying. I'm not trying to compare America to Europe. I live in America and not in Europe so what might be good to you might not be good to us over here. Which makes all of what we are talking about especially with the way your looking at things very debatable.Foulcry

ok , ill list some good Mega CD games

Sonic CD

Snatcher

Lunar Silver Star Story

Lunar 2 Eternal Blue

Silpheed

Earthworm Jim Special Edition

Sol Feace

Jaguar XJ220

and there are more too.

more then the 2-3 games you mentioned, do you own a Mega CD to say it sucked?

look , Im not saying Sega's systems were all fantastically successful , but they get blamed for things which quite frankly others are just as guilty of , its as simple as that. I could start listing all the dumb accusations.

Thats the thing though I wasn't trying to list dumb accusations. I was just listing one accusation that's a known fact about SEGA that I personally had a problem with when it came to SEGA consoles. Yes I owned a Mega CD and half of those games I believe are multiplats. I also only liked 3 of the games you mentioned so....lol. I know I'm not pointing fingers man.

I understand your point of view to a certain point but I can't fully agree because your views are different then mine on SEGA and that has a lot to do with your being in Europe and me being in America the market was completely different there at that time compared to here. Europe had different tastes then we did. Thats a big reason why the Sega Master System did better in Europe then the NES.

Like I said I loved the consoles that SEGA made that succeeded and not just because they were popular but because all the systems that did flop were crap in my personal experience. The only one I loved that is my favorite that didn't do so well was the Dreamcast. Saturn had some decent games too. I remember buying it strictly for the Virtua Fighter 2 port. I like the arcade feel type games on the Saturn and same for Dreamcast. What it all comes down too though is that did more wrong things with these systems then right things and thats why they failed.

well if something is a multi platform it can still be mentioned, especially if its better then the other versions. but if you owned a Mega CD and didn't like it, then your opinion is perfectly valid in my view, its people who make claims without actually playing a game/console that bother me, because its kind of wrong, and most of the claims come from watching AVGN and taking the guy seriously. Europe doesn't have differrent tastes, at least not to the extent you think, the SMS did better because it was marketed better then it was in the US or Japan, and I think you know how much marketing has to do with a console doing well, as shown by the sucess Sony had despite being a newcomer to the industry, its not just quality games , because the N64 and Saturn also had many quality games and still did alot worse. you might be surprised but Sega now isnt all that popular here, the N64 was the first Nintendo system to outsell a Sega system here, and it basically continued after that , the Dreamcast did well for a few months and then sales died off, much like in the US.
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Foulcry"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

ok , ill list some good Mega CD games

Sonic CD

Snatcher

Lunar Silver Star Story

Lunar 2 Eternal Blue

Silpheed

Earthworm Jim Special Edition

Sol Feace

Jaguar XJ220

and there are more too.

more then the 2-3 games you mentioned, do you own a Mega CD to say it sucked?

look , Im not saying Sega's systems were all fantastically successful , but they get blamed for things which quite frankly others are just as guilty of , its as simple as that. I could start listing all the dumb accusations.

Thats the thing though I wasn't trying to list dumb accusations. I was just listing one accusation that's a known fact about SEGA that I personally had a problem with when it came to SEGA consoles. Yes I owned a Mega CD and half of those games I believe are multiplats. I also only liked 3 of the games you mentioned so....lol. I know I'm not pointing fingers man.

I understand your point of view to a certain point but I can't fully agree because your views are different then mine on SEGA and that has a lot to do with your being in Europe and me being in America the market was completely different there at that time compared to here. Europe had different tastes then we did. Thats a big reason why the Sega Master System did better in Europe then the NES.

Like I said I loved the consoles that SEGA made that succeeded and not just because they were popular but because all the systems that did flop were crap in my personal experience. The only one I loved that is my favorite that didn't do so well was the Dreamcast. Saturn had some decent games too. I remember buying it strictly for the Virtua Fighter 2 port. I like the arcade feel type games on the Saturn and same for Dreamcast. What it all comes down too though is that did more wrong things with these systems then right things and thats why they failed.

well if something is a multi platform it can still be mentioned, especially if its better then the other versions. but if you owned a Mega CD and didn't like it, then your opinion is perfectly valid in my view, its people who make claims without actually playing a game/console that bother me, because its kind of wrong, and most of the claims come from watching AVGN and taking the guy seriously. Europe doesn't have differrent tastes, at least not to the extent you think, the SMS did better because it was marketed better then it was in the US or Japan, and I think you know how much marketing has to do with a console doing well, as shown by the sucess Sony had despite being a newcomer to the industry, its not just quality games , because the N64 and Saturn also had many quality games and still did alot worse. you might be surprised but Sega now isnt all that popular here, the N64 was the first Nintendo system to outsell a Sega system here, and it basically continued after that , the Dreamcast did well for a few months and then sales died off, much like in the US.

I agree with you on that about people not owning consoles and acting like they know what they are talking about. My bad I Assumed too much on the tastes thing. I just figured that had to do with it. See I usually don't get into debates with other Continents lol because I don't want to step on other people's toes and make assumptions about things. I know quite a bit about the North American market with certain consoles because I have owned all of them and I know a lot about them but I don't really pay much attention to how they do in other continents admitedly and I only know a little on how they do in other places but I know enough to know they aren't or weren't doing well. But its interesting to know these things sometimes. Thanks for the insight.
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[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="gr1ndgr1nd"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

While I donot think everyone will like the game, and many may think its overrated, it is certainly one of the most important games out there Why? Because it opened up the console market for rpgs in general. We would not get the bioware games or anything like that if it was not for that game on our current consoles. Sure you maynot like the game itself but what it did for consoles cannot be denied.

The reason alot of peopel did play the game was the massive ad campaign that Sony did for it. No Final Fantasy before it got any sort of campaign here in the United States in anyway shape or form. If you were around in 1997, ffvii was everywhere from rolling Stone magazine, to having its own pepsi 12 pack boxes to its action figures being available at video game stores. The game introduce people to RPGs in general, and thus a once niche group exploded into something big and because of that marketing campaign it opened up the console rpg markets for all kinds of rpgs in the future. Would we have gotten the fallouts on consoles if it was not for this game? Probably not...

agree.....but many people play FF7 today and give 10))) that psyhology...

I will agree with you on that. I will confess when I first played the game like many it blew me away, and for personal and nostalgia reasons its a special game to me. However thats a long story in itself, and despite that I recognize that it is flawed. In my opinion the gameplay is fine, the problem is with the aged graphics compared to the other ffs, however in another thread I donot judge a game based on this. FFVII I make the exception being that VIII and FFIX look far better and look good imo to this day to me. Also the biggest beef I have is with its sloppy translation. The problem with the translation is that it sometimes go into engrish and it makes the story more complex than it already is....I recognize its opinion, but I donot let my own personal feelings about the game blind me. And I Prefer FFVI anyhow...

sad...still not play VI...Demons Souls spin my mind and i in search something like this one...maybe Kings field?)))
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Final Fantasy 7 and Shenmue for sure

No idea why people called Shenmue revolutionary, it was SO boring and slow, its a game about talking to people...

Grim_Reaper007

I'm not gonna bag on you for saying Shenmue is boring, that is your opinion and you're entitled to it. But no idea why it is revolutionary? Here are a few things. Open free roaming city with several things to do(i.e. not linear like save the princess or kill the aliens). You can play other mini games or arcade games, simply just explore a beautiful city, QTEs, actually live a simulated life and save and trade the items in the game. The physics engine that actually kept time and shifted your gameplay from day to night synchronously and not randomly.

All of these things seem like old hat now, but it was not around before Shenmue.

Yes, Shenmue WAS revolutionary.

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#118 sayyy-gaa
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

Another game I felt was overrated was Street Fighter 4, which alot of people said was the best SF ever made, I felt it controlled worse then the others.

I still feel Street Fighter Alpha 3 was the best

Just to be sure, you have played 3rd strike right?
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Definitely FF7! Phewf, I'm glad so many people agree with me. I played this game when it first came out and I didn't see what was so great about it. The graphics were awful which I just couldn't get past, and the gameplay in general wasn't that great to me. I started playing Legend of Dragoon around the same time and everything was so amazing about it, a lot better than FF7, so eventually I just stopped playing FF7 and never could get back into it. To this day people keep saying how great that game is but I really just don't see it.

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First off, I want to say I too think FF7 is overrated. However, I wonder if you really played it when it was released because of your statement about the graphics. That is just false. That is the best part about the game.When FF7 came out, critics and fans alike praised the graphics and beauty of the game.

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[QUOTE="sayyy-gaa"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

Another game I felt was overrated was Street Fighter 4, which alot of people said was the best SF ever made, I felt it controlled worse then the others.

I still feel Street Fighter Alpha 3 was the best

Just to be sure, you have played 3rd strike right?

yes I did play 3rd strike, and I still like Alpha 3 more, especially the Saturn version.
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most current gen games. What is more overrated than Halo? Nothing.

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GTA 4, Halo 3, Modern Warfare 2. Basically all GTA, Halo, Call of Duty and other popular games.

nameless12345

You think like me. There aren't more overrated games than current gen games.

Just take a look at Famitsu perfect scores, half of them are from current gen games. And I bet that if you look around it's the same even with GameSpot and many other sites or magazines...

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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

GTA 4, Halo 3, Modern Warfare 2. Basically all GTA, Halo, Call of Duty and other popular games.

Gue1

You think like me. There aren't more overrated games than current gen games.

Just take a look at Famitsu perfect scores, half of them are from current gen games. And I bet that if you look around it's the same even with GameSpot and many other sites or magazines...

my main issue with GTA4 was the lackluster story, it felt boring, and the comedy and atmosphere were not as good as they could have been, and those are very important for a GTA game. it was good looking and had a great physics engine , ill give it that.
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most current gen games. What is more overrated than Halo? Nothing.

Gue1

probably MGS 4

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None of them. A game's review scores and place in history are generally reflected through the passion of it's fanbase. There are popular and well received games that I don't like but I can't say they are overrated any more than I could say that Gone With the Wind is overrated. I just don't feel what a lot of people feel while they experience it. These threads are just an opportunity for mastubatory rhetoric and arguments.
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None of them. A game's review scores and place in history are generally reflected through the passion of it's fanbase. There are popular and well received games that I don't like but I can't say they are overrated any more than I could say that Gone With the Wind is overrated. I just don't feel what a lot of people feel while they experience it. These threads are just an opportunity for mastubatory rhetoric and arguments.Second_Rook
look mah no hands :P

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[QUOTE="Second_Rook"]None of them. A game's review scores and place in history are generally reflected through the passion of it's fanbase. There are popular and well received games that I don't like but I can't say they are overrated any more than I could say that Gone With the Wind is overrated. I just don't feel what a lot of people feel while they experience it. These threads are just an opportunity for mastubatory rhetoric and arguments.ohthemanatee

look mah no hands :P

:) I like that.
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I'd have to go with GTA San Andreas. I can't believe the acclaim that game gets.

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#129 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

don''t get me started on the Famicom Disk System , Virtual Boy , Nintendo 64DD and Gamecube as well as the original Xbox, which are all just as guilty of that.

Darkman2007

I don't understand why you put GameCube and Xbox in here, they both lasted a fair time. Maybe MS killed Xbox prematurely, but they certainly weren't simply cut off like many Sega systems were. Also Famicom Disk and 64DD were released only in Japan.

The Master System flopped on the US market and it took only three years untill the Genesis/Mega Drive came out. Furthermore, both, the Sega CD and 32X flopped (the Sega CD not so hard as 32X, though) and 32X support was cut in about a year. Saturn and Dreamcast were no better, with Saturn being defeated on the Western markets by 1998 and Dreamcast dropping out on the US market before the GameCube and Xbox came out.

because the Gamecube lasted only up until the Wii was released , so really about 5 years, only 1 year more then the Saturn. so because the SMS did badly in the US it flopped? I assume by that standard the NES flopped because here it didn't do very well compared to the SMS. and if something was in Japan , its still there, and Nintendo promised the 64DD and FDS to the western markets and didn't , so its even worse.

Five years with some extended support is a solid lifetime for a console.

I was talking overall sales, not just territorial success. If the SMS did well in Europe that doesn't mean it wasn't a overall commercial failure compared to overall NES sales.

And it's a good thing 64DD and FDS weren't released over here :P

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None of them. A game's review scores and place in history are generally reflected through the passion of it's fanbase. There are popular and well received games that I don't like but I can't say they are overrated any more than I could say that Gone With the Wind is overrated. I just don't feel what a lot of people feel while they experience it. These threads are just an opportunity for mastubatory rhetoric and arguments. Second_Rook

To extend your post - there is no universal right or wrong, there is only subjective preception of everything ;)

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I'd have to go with GTA San Andreas. I can't believe the acclaim that game gets.

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you havent played it then if you say its over rated
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Halo.
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Halo

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GTA San Andreas. I never saw what was so great about it.

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Super Smash Bros series for me

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

I don't understand why you put GameCube and Xbox in here, they both lasted a fair time. Maybe MS killed Xbox prematurely, but they certainly weren't simply cut off like many Sega systems were. Also Famicom Disk and 64DD were released only in Japan.

The Master System flopped on the US market and it took only three years untill the Genesis/Mega Drive came out. Furthermore, both, the Sega CD and 32X flopped (the Sega CD not so hard as 32X, though) and 32X support was cut in about a year. Saturn and Dreamcast were no better, with Saturn being defeated on the Western markets by 1998 and Dreamcast dropping out on the US market before the GameCube and Xbox came out.

nameless12345

because the Gamecube lasted only up until the Wii was released , so really about 5 years, only 1 year more then the Saturn. so because the SMS did badly in the US it flopped? I assume by that standard the NES flopped because here it didn't do very well compared to the SMS. and if something was in Japan , its still there, and Nintendo promised the 64DD and FDS to the western markets and didn't , so its even worse.

Five years with some extended support is a solid lifetime for a console.

I was talking overall sales, not just territorial success. If the SMS did well in Europe that doesn't mean it wasn't a overall commercial failure compared to overall NES sales.

And it's a good thing 64DD and FDS weren't released over here :P

so 5 years with another year of extended support is fine for the gamecube , but 4 years with 2 years of extended support for the Saturn isn't good? how does that work out?
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] because the Gamecube lasted only up until the Wii was released , so really about 5 years, only 1 year more then the Saturn. so because the SMS did badly in the US it flopped? I assume by that standard the NES flopped because here it didn't do very well compared to the SMS. and if something was in Japan , its still there, and Nintendo promised the 64DD and FDS to the western markets and didn't , so its even worse.Darkman2007

Five years with some extended support is a solid lifetime for a console.

I was talking overall sales, not just territorial success. If the SMS did well in Europe that doesn't mean it wasn't a overall commercial failure compared to overall NES sales.

And it's a good thing 64DD and FDS weren't released over here :P

so 5 years with another year of extended support is fine for the gamecube , but 4 years with 2 years of extended support for the Saturn isn't good? how does that work out?

Well, the DC was supported till 2007 or so in Japan, but does that mean anything for the overall support of the console?

Saturn was basically a dead console by 1998 on the Western markets with only a few new games comming out (mostly from Sega).

The GC, while not selling very good either, was supported by Nintendo and some other companies (like EA and Ubi) all till the Wii and a little over that.

Sega could still support the Saturn if they wanted to, but this would basically mean nothing.

Nintendo supported the Famicom very long too, but it was a dead console by 1994 or so.

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Five years with some extended support is a solid lifetime for a console.

I was talking overall sales, not just territorial success. If the SMS did well in Europe that doesn't mean it wasn't a overall commercial failure compared to overall NES sales.

And it's a good thing 64DD and FDS weren't released over here :P

nameless12345

so 5 years with another year of extended support is fine for the gamecube , but 4 years with 2 years of extended support for the Saturn isn't good? how does that work out?

Well, the DC was supported till 2007 or so in Japan, but does that mean anything for the overall support of the console?

Saturn was basically a dead console by 1998 on the Western markets with only a few new games comming out (mostly from Sega).

The GC, while not selling very good either, was supported by Nintendo and some other companies (like EA and Ubi) all till the Wii and a little over that.

Sega could still support the Saturn if they wanted to, but this would basically mean nothing.

Nintendo supported the Famicom very long too, but it was a dead console by 1994 or so.

funny enough Sega supported the Master System here for about the as long.
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] so 5 years with another year of extended support is fine for the gamecube , but 4 years with 2 years of extended support for the Saturn isn't good? how does that work out?Darkman2007

Well, the DC was supported till 2007 or so in Japan, but does that mean anything for the overall support of the console?

Saturn was basically a dead console by 1998 on the Western markets with only a few new games comming out (mostly from Sega).

The GC, while not selling very good either, was supported by Nintendo and some other companies (like EA and Ubi) all till the Wii and a little over that.

Sega could still support the Saturn if they wanted to, but this would basically mean nothing.

Nintendo supported the Famicom very long too, but it was a dead console by 1994 or so.

funny enough Sega supported the Master System here for about the as long.

Yeah SMS got many Game Gear ports. There is even a SMS version of Street Fighter II for the Brazilian market.

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Well, the DC was supported till 2007 or so in Japan, but does that mean anything for the overall support of the console?

Saturn was basically a dead console by 1998 on the Western markets with only a few new games comming out (mostly from Sega).

The GC, while not selling very good either, was supported by Nintendo and some other companies (like EA and Ubi) all till the Wii and a little over that.

Sega could still support the Saturn if they wanted to, but this would basically mean nothing.

Nintendo supported the Famicom very long too, but it was a dead console by 1994 or so.

nameless12345

funny enough Sega supported the Master System here for about the as long.

Yeah SMS got many Game Gear ports. There is even a SMS version of Street Fighter II for the Brazilian market.

of course, and its a good port considering what its running on , certainly looks better then the other "8bit" ports of the game that ive seen.
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#141 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] funny enough Sega supported the Master System here for about the as long.Darkman2007

Yeah SMS got many Game Gear ports. There is even a SMS version of Street Fighter II for the Brazilian market.

of course, and its a good port considering what its running on , certainly looks better then the other "8bit" ports of the game that ive seen.

Well, I think it's pretty bad, but it's probably better than the NES pirate version :P

The best 8-bit version was probably the CPC version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miH6SZIxGGs

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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] funny enough Sega supported the Master System here for about the as long.Darkman2007

Yeah SMS got many Game Gear ports. There is even a SMS version of Street Fighter II for the Brazilian market.

of course, and its a good port considering what its running on , certainly looks better then the other "8bit" ports of the game that ive seen.

it looks better, but it runs worse. the master system version is unplayable imo, I have never been able to pull off a Hadouken in that version. The gameboy version is much better imo

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#143 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Yeah SMS got many Game Gear ports. There is even a SMS version of Street Fighter II for the Brazilian market.

ohthemanatee

of course, and its a good port considering what its running on , certainly looks better then the other "8bit" ports of the game that ive seen.

it looks better, but it runs worse. the master system version is unplayable imo, I have never been able to pull off a Hadouken in that version. The gameboy version is much better imo

meh , Ill play the Mega Drive or the Saturn version any time over those :P
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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] of course, and its a good port considering what its running on , certainly looks better then the other "8bit" ports of the game that ive seen.Darkman2007

it looks better, but it runs worse. the master system version is unplayable imo, I have never been able to pull off a Hadouken in that version. The gameboy version is much better imo

meh , Ill play the Mega Drive or the Saturn version any time over those :P

The SNES version wins :P

But the best is the arcade one, of course.

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#145 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

it looks better, but it runs worse. the master system version is unplayable imo, I have never been able to pull off a Hadouken in that version. The gameboy version is much better imo

nameless12345

meh , Ill play the Mega Drive or the Saturn version any time over those :P

The SNES version wins :P

But the best is the arcade one, of course.

the Saturn version is the arcade one basically :P
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] meh , Ill play the Mega Drive or the Saturn version any time over those :PDarkman2007

The SNES version wins :P

But the best is the arcade one, of course.

the Saturn version is the arcade one basically :P


I was quite surprised they made Alpha 2 for the SNES. Of course, it looked a lot worse than the Saturn/PS1/arcade one, but it was mighty impressive for the SNES. I've heard they even had to redraw all the fighter sprites for the lower SNES res and they used a special in-cart graphics decompression chip which was used to stream all the background graphics.

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#147 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

The SNES version wins :P

But the best is the arcade one, of course.

nameless12345

the Saturn version is the arcade one basically :P


I was quite surprised they made Alpha 2 for the SNES. Of course, it looked a lot worse than the Saturn/PS1/arcade one, but it was mighty impressive for the SNES. I've heard they even had to redraw all the fighter sprites for the lower SNES res and they used a special in-cart graphics decompression chip which was used to stream all the background graphics.

yes, the SNES version of SFA2 is very impressive even with the additonal chip in the cartridge, but to me its alot like Doom on the SNES, more of a novelty then anything, especially when there are better playing versions for cheaper. even the PS1 version is better, and that one has its own issues.

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#148 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] the Saturn version is the arcade one basically :PDarkman2007


I was quite surprised they made Alpha 2 for the SNES. Of course, it looked a lot worse than the Saturn/PS1/arcade one, but it was mighty impressive for the SNES. I've heard they even had to redraw all the fighter sprites for the lower SNES res and they used a special in-cart graphics decompression chip which was used to stream all the background graphics.

yes, the SNES version of SFA2 is very impressive even with the additonal chip in the cartridge, but to me its alot like Doom on the SNES, more of a novelty then anything, especially when there are better playing versions for cheaper. even the PS1 version is better, and that one has its own issues.


Well for a Street Fighter/beat em up fan who still had only a SNES in 1996, this version was a nice gift.

Doom on the SNES was slow and sluggish and had control problems (like getting stuck in a wall) while Alpha 2 ran nicely and was well playlable.

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#149 Darkman2007
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I was quite surprised they made Alpha 2 for the SNES. Of course, it looked a lot worse than the Saturn/PS1/arcade one, but it was mighty impressive for the SNES. I've heard they even had to redraw all the fighter sprites for the lower SNES res and they used a special in-cart graphics decompression chip which was used to stream all the background graphics.

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yes, the SNES version of SFA2 is very impressive even with the additonal chip in the cartridge, but to me its alot like Doom on the SNES, more of a novelty then anything, especially when there are better playing versions for cheaper. even the PS1 version is better, and that one has its own issues.


Well for a Street Fighter/beat em up fan who still had only a SNES in 1996, this version was a nice gift.

Doom on the SNES was slow and sluggish and had control problems (like getting stuck in a wall) while Alpha 2 ran nicely and was well playlable.

Im not saying its bad, Im saying there are better versions , even at the time of release.

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yes, the SNES version of SFA2 is very impressive even with the additonal chip in the cartridge, but to me its alot like Doom on the SNES, more of a novelty then anything, especially when there are better playing versions for cheaper. even the PS1 version is better, and that one has its own issues.

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Well for a Street Fighter/beat em up fan who still had only a SNES in 1996, this version was a nice gift.

Doom on the SNES was slow and sluggish and had control problems (like getting stuck in a wall) while Alpha 2 ran nicely and was well playlable.

Im not saying its bad, Im saying there are better versions , even at the time of release.

Yes, but like I said, for someone who still only had a SNES in 1996, this version was great ;)