MW3 recycles old MW2 animation. lazy devs are lazy

lazy punk at IW decided to reuse old MW2 and just skin them over with updated graphics.

http://www.gogaminggiant.com/2011/05/24/is-modern-warfare-3-recycling-animations/

Notice the movement of both the boat passenger on the left and Captain Price (with human error in video stopping accounted for)

The hooking of the rappel rope looks exactly the same as before.

The animations seem to be different, but in video they both show the soldiers slowing themselves down so that they can turn, only difference seems to be camera perspective. (Debatable)

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I don't see how a few animations are broken, I think they should change the style of the entire game instead, maybe toning the violence down.

Yes, because it would have made SO much sense to waste money and completely redo the "crouching while holding a gun" and "hooking up a grappling line" animations just so that people on the internet wouldn't call them "lazy". :roll:

I'm more bothered about how ugly those graphics look. Graphics aren't everthing but this is a FPS. How many changes can there be?

if you really want to see a lazy dev with lazy animations, look at tiburon from ea sports. madden still uses the same animations since ps2/xbox 1 days.

Not suprised at all. It looks exactly like MW3.

seriously, when have you ever seen diffirent animations of the same thing in a sequel?dakan45

[QUOTE="dakan45"]seriously, when have you ever seen diffirent animations of the same thing in a sequel?koospetoors

Witcher 2 doesnt EVEN use the same engine. Let alone the fighting mechanics are completly re-done. Also witcher came out in 2007 and the sequel in 2011, thats alot of time to bother with re building from scratch. Cod demand simply does not have that luxury. Besides what cod does has been done in the past with tomb raider and stalker series.

Thinking about it, what about "proper sequels? i already pointed out the stalker series, now there is Fallout new vegas and bioshock 2, hell even uncharted and dead space 2 are pretty close.

Its easier to improve in a templete and call it a sequel rather develop a new one from scratch. Even bc2 did it that so many people praise for not beeing "recycled" like cod but IT IS!!

For the record is better that way so sequels like deus ex invisible war, doom 3, blood 2 and such can be avoided. (You know that they do radical changes to them that they changed so much and the fans of the first ones no longer like them)

Its also funny how those are all pc games and old ones, yet everyone blames consoles for that.

Finally doom 2 was a recycled doom 1 if you think about it. or fallout 1 and fallout 2.

So in conclusion what cod does is RIGHT because it has done in the past, it is happening with other games, it has been done in pc titles and it STILL happens and in the end it stays true to its fanbase and make sure they wont radically change the game into something else.

I believe my post is simply awesome 8)

wow. Of all the things wrong with COD, THIS is what you choose to complain about? Really?

EVERY sequel recyles animation. The whole point of sequels is to build upon assets already created so they dont have to waste time redoing everything and can focus on game design instead.

Now if this was on the next gen consoles and they were using the same animation then you might have a case but right now 99% of the sequels reuse animations while adding some new ones.

I don't know what I need to think about this. I mean they have money enough to change it and should make more detail in theanimation. Thinking how the gameplay would be...

wow. Of all the things wrong with COD, THIS is what you choose to complain about? Really?

EVERY sequel recyles animation. The whole point of sequels is to build upon assets already created so they dont have to waste time redoing everything and can focus on game design instead.

Now if this was on the next gen consoles and they were using the same animation then you might have a case but right now 99% of the sequels reuse animations while adding some new ones.

S0lidSnake

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wow. Of all the things wrong with COD, THIS is what you choose to complain about? Really?

EVERY sequel recyles animation. The whole point of sequels is to build upon assets already created so they dont have to waste time redoing everything and can focus on game design instead.

Now if this was on the next gen consoles and they were using the same animation then you might have a case but right now 99% of the sequels reuse animations while adding some new ones.

Oilers99

I concur with you both on this. Developers do this all the time. There are a million of other things to complain about when it comes to a FPS series like MW, but recycled animations? Yeah....

Surprised? This is Activision and COD we are talking about. They have no incentive to change, given to how mch COD games sell.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

Exactly. Hoping this game gets an average review. rehash is rehash.

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Surprised? This is Activision and COD we are talking about. They have no incentive to change, given to how mch COD games sell.Calvin079

Exactly. Hoping this game gets an average review. rehash is rehash.

Yes, because it would have made SO much sense to waste money and completely redo the "crouching while holding a gun" and "hooking up a grappling line" animations just so that people on the internet wouldn't call them "lazy". :roll:

Teufelhuhn

^This

I do agree that they can change the stance a little, but a crouch is a crouch

The same animations have been used since CoD4. (As far as I know.) Of course they are lazy, they release another CoD game every year.

Stop making troll threads!Black_Knight_00

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Stop making troll threads!DavidianMH

How is recycled animations a legitimate complaint though? A lot of developers use this technique plenty of times over, because it is one of the few aspects of the game that we recognize the most and would like for them to keep it that way. That is a minor thing to gripe about. You want to complain about the MW series as a whole, why not something that's even 10x better than recycled animations, like the story not being that great, the cast of characters being uninteresting, and the whole warfare has been done to death a thousand times over. And don't get me started on multiplayer either; that's a whole other mess to figure out.

[QUOTE="DavidianMH"][QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Stop making troll threads!Metamania

How is recycled animations a legitimate complaint though? A lot of developers use this technique plenty of times over, because it is one of the few aspects of the game that we recognize the most and would like for them to keep it that way. That is a minor thing to gripe about. You want to complain about the MW series as a whole, why not something that's even 10x better than recycled animations, like the story not being that great, the cast of characters being uninteresting, and the whole warfare has been done to death a thousand times over. And don't get me started on multiplayer either; that's a whole other mess to figure out.

Are COD trolls really that desperate right now? The animations were fine in MW2, there's no reason they need to change them. And countless games do this. A great example would be the animations in Ratchet and Clank being exactly the same for the original, Going Commando, Up Your Arsenal, and Deadlocked.

I concur with you both on this. Developers do this all the time. There are a million of other things to complain about when it comes to a FPS series like MW, but recycled animations? Yeah....

Metamania

Making the complaint that the devs have been using the same animations and engine for the past 4 years counts as a legitimate complaint to me, and it certainly does not register as a troll thread. As for your other points, I personally think each game in the series have good stories and I enjoy the multiplayer, although I do agree on your points on that the characters are uninteresting and the series needs to progress.DavidianMH

Are COD trolls really that desperate right now? The animations were fine in MW2, there's no reason they need to change them. And countless games do this. A great example would be the animations in Ratchet and Clank being exactly the same for the original, Going Commando, Up Your Arsenal, and Deadlocked.

brickdoctor

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Are COD trolls really that desperate right now? The animations were fine in MW2, there's no reason they need to change them. And countless games do this. A great example would be the animations in Ratchet and Clank being exactly the same for the original, Going Commando, Up Your Arsenal, and Deadlocked.

Black_Knight_00

It's not just Call of Duty that recycles old animation. Why do you think there are so many sequels? It's quicker and easier to make and takes less money.

FFXIII took over 5 years to make, but FFXIII-2 won't take that long, for example.

It's not just Call of Duty that recycles old animation. Why do you think there are so many sequels? It's quicker and easier to make and takes less money.

FFXIII took over 5 years to make, but FFXIII-2 won't take that long, for example.

EXEraserVS

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="brickdoctor"]

Are COD trolls really that desperate right now? The animations were fine in MW2, there's no reason they need to change them. And countless games do this. A great example would be the animations in Ratchet and Clank being exactly the same for the original, Going Commando, Up Your Arsenal, and Deadlocked.

dakan45

[QUOTE="Calvin079"]

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Surprised? This is Activision and COD we are talking about. They have no incentive to change, given to how mch COD games sell.DavidianMH

Exactly. Hoping this game gets an average review. rehash is rehash.

Title should be MW3 devs recycle MW2.

Even if this could be considered lazy, it's not as if the people that buy it will care or even notice. Just keep the splosions comming.

I know that the reuse-age of the same engine 4 or 5 times is pretty unforgivable. but im not going to pan the entire game for it (because it was a pretty good engine to begin with).

I will say this about MW3. if its campaign is anywhere near as good as MW2, than it will merit a 9/10 from me.

[QUOTE="DavidianMH"][QUOTE="Calvin079"]

Exactly. Hoping this game gets an average review. rehash is rehash.

Calvin079

Which makes me asks this question - of all the COD games that have been released thus far, which one has been given the lowest score by the critics?

Smart devs are smart and ripping off clueless fans.Marka1700

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[QUOTE="DavidianMH"] Nah, it'll get a 9.0 with the Gamespot "the bad" saying "Campaign is short".Metamania

Which makes me asks this question - of all the COD games that have been released thus far, which one has been given the lowest score by the critics?

Also, same animation, usually means the same game engine. Usually, developers would like to have used "said" game engine for a while before they turn that over and build a new one. It takes a lot of money to create a new engine. Not to mention, time consumed due to transitioning over.Elann2008

The difference is that most other developers actually upgrade a engine when the release sequels, in COD that is hardly the case.
Furtheremore it is definitly possible to come with almost entirely updated new engines every sequel.

Activision has gaming in a 'chokehold' making profit while defying logic and treating gamers horrible. Everyone seems to accept it so who am i to defy it...

I don't think any game these days is made from 100% original code. Even brand-new IPs use code that came from another game. Reusing code is a common practice, and one that is encouraged.

On this particular subject, I don't think it's bad that the devs are using the same animations, especially when there's no reason to change it. How many different animations do you need for hooking a rope?

I don't think any game these days is made from 100% original code. Even brand-new IPs use code that came from another game. Reusing code is a common practice, and one that is encouraged.

On this particular subject, I don't think it's bad that the devs are using the same animations, especially when there's no reason to change it. How many different animations do you need for hooking a rope?

King9999

I may misunderstand but are you saying 'when something is good there is no reason to change it?'
If that is the case, i presume that you don't mind that there will be no upgrades ever?