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Okay so alot of debate ranges in this gen over which console is the most superior. The PS had the largest library, the N64 had the highest rated exclusives, no loading, and the best graphics (in game) and the Saturn had near arcade quality arcad ports.
Each system had great exclusives so this topic is a debate over which system you prefer and why.
Okay so alot of debate ranges in this gen over which console is the most superior. The PS had the largest library, the N64 had the highest rated exclusives, no loading, and the best graphics (in game) and the Saturn had near arcade quality arcad ports.
Each system had great exclusives so this topic is a debate over which system you prefer and why.
Banjo_Kongfooie
First and foremost this thread has been done to death, we have the other one which is already 33 pages long. There are also older threads with this exact title that are hidden away. Do a search instead of bringing up a topic that has been done to death on this forum. Its obvious you have a lot to learn about forum posting....
Another thread like this?
I though the other thread was already enough (although it doesn't mention Saturn specifically) :?
Eitherway I personally like N64 best because I'm a fan of Nintendo and Rare games.
pretty much agreed. and while the other one doesnt specifically mention the Saturn , there is no reason not to debate it too , no different from mentioning the gamecube when discussing last gen systemsYeah man we already have a thread covering this topic, but to answer your question. PS1 > Saturn > N64
amari24
This I agree with. Despite you and I have had some nasty arguments on there to say the least, the other thread is already a regular thread on these forums and has been around for months. None the less, you are right about this and this thread should be lockied or deleted and Banjo should learn a thing or two about posting on a forum.Another thread like this?
I though the other thread was already enough (although it doesn't mention Saturn specifically) :?
Eitherway I personally like N64 best because I'm a fan of Nintendo and Rare games.
nameless12345
[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
Okay so alot of debate ranges in this gen over which console is the most superior. The PS had the largest library, the N64 had the highest rated exclusives, no loading, and the best graphics (in game) and the Saturn had near arcade quality arcad ports.
Each system had great exclusives so this topic is a debate over which system you prefer and why.
TheTrueMagusX1
First and foremost this thread has been done to death, we have the other one which is already 33 pages long. There are also older threads with this exact title that are hidden away. Do a search instead of bringing up a topic that has been done to death on this forum. Its obvious you have a lot to learn about forum posting....
Well for one thing you are not supposed to bump older threads, another thing is that the other thread is PS vs N64 without Saturn.
I made a thread now because video game tech constantly advances and opinions change constantly.
lol at Saturn.
But seriously, O prefer the N64 because it has better exclusive games, meaning games that were only released on N64. SM64, DK64, Pokemon Stadium, SSB, the list goes on. I got together with a group of buddies yesterday and we played 4-player Pokemon stadium minigame tournaments. I won. I rubbed it in the face of my friend who thinks he's good at everything.
wait , you have Sonic as your avatar, but youre laughing at the Saturn....... I don't get it might as well put Mario as my picture and then laugh at Nintendo.....lol at Saturn.
But seriously, O prefer the N64 because it has better exclusive games, meaning games that were only released on N64. SM64, DK64, Pokemon Stadium, SSB, the list goes on. I got together with a group of buddies yesterday and we played 4-player Pokemon stadium minigame tournaments. I won. I rubbed it in the face of my friend who thinks he's good at everything.
FaithfulBro
[QUOTE="FaithfulBro"]wait , you have Sonic as your avatar, but youre laughing at the Saturn....... I don't get it might as well put Mario as my picture and then laugh at Nintendo.....lol at Saturn.
But seriously, O prefer the N64 because it has better exclusive games, meaning games that were only released on N64. SM64, DK64, Pokemon Stadium, SSB, the list goes on. I got together with a group of buddies yesterday and we played 4-player Pokemon stadium minigame tournaments. I won. I rubbed it in the face of my friend who thinks he's good at everything.
Darkman2007
He is entitled to his opinion and he could like the Sonic games that are on Nintendo consoles...
Just because someone likes Sonic does not make them a Sega console fan and if he is a Sega console fan that does not mean he has to like them all. He could just like the Dreamcast and Genesis.
lol at Saturn.
But seriously, O prefer the N64 because it has better exclusive games, meaning games that were only released on N64. SM64, DK64, Pokemon Stadium, SSB, the list goes on. I got together with a group of buddies yesterday and we played 4-player Pokemon stadium minigame tournaments. I won. I rubbed it in the face of my friend who thinks he's good at everything.
Better exclusive games? That's debateable, because I could list tons of Saturn games that aren't even on the N64.wait , you have Sonic as your avatar, but youre laughing at the Saturn....... I don't get it might as well put Mario as my picture and then laugh at Nintendo.....[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="FaithfulBro"]
lol at Saturn.
But seriously, O prefer the N64 because it has better exclusive games, meaning games that were only released on N64. SM64, DK64, Pokemon Stadium, SSB, the list goes on. I got together with a group of buddies yesterday and we played 4-player Pokemon stadium minigame tournaments. I won. I rubbed it in the face of my friend who thinks he's good at everything.
Banjo_Kongfooie
He is entitled to his opinion and he could like the Sonic games that are on Nintendo consoles...
Just because someone likes Sonic does not make them a Sega console fan and if he is a Sega console fan that does not mean he has to like them all. He could just like the Dreamcast and Genesis.
of course, though I expect that since he has an opinion on the system , he must own it and played a decent amount of games on it to have a good opinion. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion , but I also believe that people shouldn't claim things they know little about. if he has enough exprience with the system , cool , if he hasn't then I personally believe its wrong , as there is a big difference between opinion and informed opinion. thats at least my view on things, youre more then welcome to disagree.wait , you have Sonic as your avatar, but youre laughing at the Saturn....... I don't get it might as well put Mario as my picture and then laugh at Nintendo.....[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="FaithfulBro"]
lol at Saturn.
But seriously, O prefer the N64 because it has better exclusive games, meaning games that were only released on N64. SM64, DK64, Pokemon Stadium, SSB, the list goes on. I got together with a group of buddies yesterday and we played 4-player Pokemon stadium minigame tournaments. I won. I rubbed it in the face of my friend who thinks he's good at everything.
Banjo_Kongfooie
He is entitled to his opinion and he could like the Sonic games that are on Nintendo consoles...
Just because someone likes Sonic does not make them a Sega console fan and if he is a Sega console fan that does not mean he has to like them all. He could just like the Dreamcast and Genesis.
This coming from the guy who attacks and questions peoples opinion? Contradict much? Only the third time...
[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] wait , you have Sonic as your avatar, but youre laughing at the Saturn....... I don't get it might as well put Mario as my picture and then laugh at Nintendo.....Darkman2007
He is entitled to his opinion and he could like the Sonic games that are on Nintendo consoles...
Just because someone likes Sonic does not make them a Sega console fan and if he is a Sega console fan that does not mean he has to like them all. He could just like the Dreamcast and Genesis.
of course, though I expect that since he has an opinion on the system , he must own it and played a decent amount of games on it to have a good opinion. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion , but I also believe that people shouldn't claim things they know little about. if he has enough exprience with the system , cool , if he hasn't then I personally believe its wrong , as there is a big difference between opinion and informed opinion. thats at least my view on things, youre more then welcome to disagree.And maybe he owns a Saturn but does not like the exlcusives.
I mean some of the best Saturn exclusives now are way to expensive, so even if he did not own a saturn to play some of the best exclusives he would have to shell out more then the system itself.
I mean games like Dragon Force are expensive and the game Panzer Dragoon Saga should not even be counted in the list of Saturn exclusives in current debate because of its 200+$ price tag.
of course, though I expect that since he has an opinion on the system , he must own it and played a decent amount of games on it to have a good opinion. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion , but I also believe that people shouldn't claim things they know little about. if he has enough exprience with the system , cool , if he hasn't then I personally believe its wrong , as there is a big difference between opinion and informed opinion. thats at least my view on things, youre more then welcome to disagree.[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
He is entitled to his opinion and he could like the Sonic games that are on Nintendo consoles...
Just because someone likes Sonic does not make them a Sega console fan and if he is a Sega console fan that does not mean he has to like them all. He could just like the Dreamcast and Genesis.
Banjo_Kongfooie
And maybe he owns a Saturn but does not like the exlcusives.
I mean some of the best Saturn exclusives now are way to expensive, so even if he did not own a saturn to play some of the best exclusives he would have to shell out more then the system itself.
I mean games like Dragon Force are expensive and the game Panzer Dragoon Saga should not even be counted in the list of Saturn exclusives in current debate because of its 200+$ price tag.
2nd time Ive seen this today, and frankly most Saturn exclusives are not too expensive anyways, its really just a few llike Panzer Saga and Shining Force 3.
and in fact, in alot of cases ,you can get the Japanese version for very cheap
and again ,saying a Saturn is only worth it for Panzer Saga and Dragon Force is like saying "don't bother getting a SNES, Earthbound and Chrono Trigger are too expensive".
of course a console is not only bought for its exclusives, its also bought for the multiplatform games which are as good or better then the competition , and the Saturn has those too.
yet another thing you ignored.
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
He is entitled to his opinion and he could like the Sonic games that are on Nintendo consoles...
Just because someone likes Sonic does not make them a Sega console fan and if he is a Sega console fan that does not mean he has to like them all. He could just like the Dreamcast and Genesis.
of course, though I expect that since he has an opinion on the system , he must own it and played a decent amount of games on it to have a good opinion. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion , but I also believe that people shouldn't claim things they know little about. if he has enough exprience with the system , cool , if he hasn't then I personally believe its wrong , as there is a big difference between opinion and informed opinion. thats at least my view on things, youre more then welcome to disagree.And maybe he owns a Saturn but does not like the exlcusives.
I mean some of the best Saturn exclusives now are way to expensive, so even if he did not own a saturn to play some of the best exclusives he would have to shell out more then the system itself.
I mean games like Dragon Force are expensive and the game Panzer Dragoon Saga should not even be counted in the list of Saturn exclusives in current debate because of its 200+$ price tag.
Uhh I got Dragon Force cheaper than what it would've cost me to buy a new PS3 or 360 game. The only expensive games are most of the japanese imports, and sometimes those are pretty cheap as well. And the key word there is "some". There are a lot of great Saturn exclusive games which you can get for pretty cheap.[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
of course, though I expect that since he has an opinion on the system , he must own it and played a decent amount of games on it to have a good opinion. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion , but I also believe that people shouldn't claim things they know little about. if he has enough exprience with the system , cool , if he hasn't then I personally believe its wrong , as there is a big difference between opinion and informed opinion. thats at least my view on things, youre more then welcome to disagree.Darkman2007
And maybe he owns a Saturn but does not like the exlcusives.
I mean some of the best Saturn exclusives now are way to expensive, so even if he did not own a saturn to play some of the best exclusives he would have to shell out more then the system itself.
I mean games like Dragon Force are expensive and the game Panzer Dragoon Saga should not even be counted in the list of Saturn exclusives in current debate because of its 200+$ price tag.
2nd time Ive seen this today, and frankly most Saturn exclusives are not too expensive anyways, its really just a few llike Panzer Saga and Shining Force 3.
and in fact, in alot of cases ,you can get the Japanese version for very cheap
and again ,saying a Saturn is only worth it for Panzer Saga and Dragon Force is like saying "don't bother getting a SNES, Earthbound and Chrono Trigger are too expensive".
I agree with this completely.here is a post of mine from a few days ago where I addressed this
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RESIDENT-EVIL-SEGA-SATURN-BOXED-COMPLETE-UK-FREEPOST-/370488067678?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item5642cf465e
Saturn Resident Evil £8.75
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PS-1-GAME-RESIDENT-EVIL-/220744417450?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item33656480aa
PS1 Resident Evil , £7.99
and Quake
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEGA-SATURN-GAME-QUAKE-COMPLETE-/150569306418?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item230ea14932
Saturn Quake 9.99
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nintendo-N64-game-Quake-boxed-complete-UK-PAL-/330527342158?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item4cf4f6fe4e
Quake 64 £9.95
so much for the super expensive Saturn, and in both those cases, the Saturn version is better the then the PS1/N64 version (more of a mixed bag in RE, but certainly not worse)
"
this was written by me a few days ago, not sure if the ebay links are still active ,but thats it.
I could always look for more if people ask
[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] of course, though I expect that since he has an opinion on the system , he must own it and played a decent amount of games on it to have a good opinion. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion , but I also believe that people shouldn't claim things they know little about. if he has enough exprience with the system , cool , if he hasn't then I personally believe its wrong , as there is a big difference between opinion and informed opinion. thats at least my view on things, youre more then welcome to disagree.Darkman2007
And maybe he owns a Saturn but does not like the exlcusives.
I mean some of the best Saturn exclusives now are way to expensive, so even if he did not own a saturn to play some of the best exclusives he would have to shell out more then the system itself.
I mean games like Dragon Force are expensive and the game Panzer Dragoon Saga should not even be counted in the list of Saturn exclusives in current debate because of its 200+$ price tag.
2nd time Ive seen this today, and frankly most Saturn exclusives are not too expensive anyways, its really just a few llike Panzer Saga and Shining Force 3.
and in fact, in alot of cases ,you can get the Japanese version for very cheap
and again ,saying a Saturn is only worth it for Panzer Saga and Dragon Force is like saying "don't bother getting a SNES, Earthbound and Chrono Trigger are too expensive".
No I never said that about the Saturn. I said that in modern debate when convincing people to get a Saturn Panzer Dragoon Saga should not be placed on the exclusive list because of how expensive it is.
The saturn has good games that are not expensive I will not deny it is a decent alternative system (especially if you like arcade games as it has the best arcade ports) However the N64 and its exclusives are universally recieved better than the Saturn and its exclusives and the N64 is much less expensive
I mean you can pick what is heralded as the greatest game Oot for less than $10 compared
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
And maybe he owns a Saturn but does not like the exlcusives.
I mean some of the best Saturn exclusives now are way to expensive, so even if he did not own a saturn to play some of the best exclusives he would have to shell out more then the system itself.
I mean games like Dragon Force are expensive and the game Panzer Dragoon Saga should not even be counted in the list of Saturn exclusives in current debate because of its 200+$ price tag.
Banjo_Kongfooie
2nd time Ive seen this today, and frankly most Saturn exclusives are not too expensive anyways, its really just a few llike Panzer Saga and Shining Force 3.
and in fact, in alot of cases ,you can get the Japanese version for very cheap
and again ,saying a Saturn is only worth it for Panzer Saga and Dragon Force is like saying "don't bother getting a SNES, Earthbound and Chrono Trigger are too expensive".
No I never said that about the Saturn. I said that in modern debate when convincing people to get a Saturn Panzer Dragoon Saga should not be placed on the exclusive list because of how expensive it is.
The saturn has good games that are not expensive I will not deny it is a decent alternative system (especially if you like arcade games as it has the best arcade ports) However the N64 and its exclusives are universally recieved better than the Saturn and its exclusives and the N64 is much less expensive
I mean you can pick what is heralded as the greatest game Oot for less than $10 compared
whether Ocarina is a great game is opinion based, I personally never got into the Zelda series, so for me , thats off the table.
its pretty much the reason why for me PS1>Saturn>N64 as far the games are concerned
and besides , the exclusives are universally more praised on the N64 by who? its owners, great, I just hope they all own Saturns to compare them.
I own an N64 and used to own over 20 games for it (I sold some games), which is frankly more then most people, so at least I can form some good opinion regarding both
and don't get me started on the gaming press, alot of Saturn reviews from the time were quite biased actually.
by the way I do like the N64, contrary to what you may think , its a great system , but I do prefer the Saturn
[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
2nd time Ive seen this today, and frankly most Saturn exclusives are not too expensive anyways, its really just a few llike Panzer Saga and Shining Force 3.
and in fact, in alot of cases ,you can get the Japanese version for very cheap
and again ,saying a Saturn is only worth it for Panzer Saga and Dragon Force is like saying "don't bother getting a SNES, Earthbound and Chrono Trigger are too expensive".
Darkman2007
No I never said that about the Saturn. I said that in modern debate when convincing people to get a Saturn Panzer Dragoon Saga should not be placed on the exclusive list because of how expensive it is.
The saturn has good games that are not expensive I will not deny it is a decent alternative system (especially if you like arcade games as it has the best arcade ports) However the N64 and its exclusives are universally recieved better than the Saturn and its exclusives and the N64 is much less expensive
I mean you can pick what is heralded as the greatest game Oot for less than $10 compared
whether Ocarina is a great game is opinion based, I personally never got into the Zelda series, so for me , thats off the table. its pretty much the reason why for me PS1>Saturn>N64 as far the games are concernedYes but my opinion that Oot is an amazing game holds more validity then yours as on Gamespot (the site your posting on) it received a 10, it is the hightest rated game on gamerankings with a 97.48 average and it maintains a 9.7 userscore.
whether Ocarina is a great game is opinion based, I personally never got into the Zelda series, so for me , thats off the table. its pretty much the reason why for me PS1>Saturn>N64 as far the games are concerned[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
No I never said that about the Saturn. I said that in modern debate when convincing people to get a Saturn Panzer Dragoon Saga should not be placed on the exclusive list because of how expensive it is.
The saturn has good games that are not expensive I will not deny it is a decent alternative system (especially if you like arcade games as it has the best arcade ports) However the N64 and its exclusives are universally recieved better than the Saturn and its exclusives and the N64 is much less expensive
I mean you can pick what is heralded as the greatest game Oot for less than $10 compared
Banjo_Kongfooie
Yes but my opinion that Oot is a amazing game holds more validity then yours as on Gamespot (the site your posting on) it received a 10, it is the hightest rated game on gamerankings with a 97.48 average and it maintains a 9.7 userscore.
the critics can say what they like , Im not sure why you hold them in a higher place then anyone else since its opinion , no better then yours or mine[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] whether Ocarina is a great game is opinion based, I personally never got into the Zelda series, so for me , thats off the table. its pretty much the reason why for me PS1>Saturn>N64 as far the games are concernedDarkman2007
Yes but my opinion that Oot is a amazing game holds more validity then yours as on Gamespot (the site your posting on) it received a 10, it is the hightest rated game on gamerankings with a 97.48 average and it maintains a 9.7 userscore.
the critics can say what they like , Im not sure why you hold them in a higher place then anyone else since its opinion , no better then yours or mine If we go by what critrics rate games, we'd have to say most modern FPS are some of the best games ever made. Which you can disregard because not everyone is in to FPS, just like not everyone is into Zelda games.[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]the critics can say what they like , Im not sure why you hold them in a higher place then anyone else since its opinion , no better then yours or mine If we go by what critrics rate games, we'd have to say most modern FPS are some of the best games ever made.Yes but my opinion that Oot is a amazing game holds more validity then yours as on Gamespot (the site your posting on) it received a 10, it is the hightest rated game on gamerankings with a 97.48 average and it maintains a 9.7 userscore.
amari24
critics can sometimes be biased too. for instance , in the IGN review of Dead or Alive for the PS1 they basically said something like
"the PS1 version looks much closer to the arcade then the Saturn , and Sega would be better off if they just made all their games on the PS1"
first off thats wrong, the Saturn version is closer to the arcade , and I can post comparison screenshots (I own both games, and pics from the arcade exist online), and I think that if today a reviewer said that kind of thing on one of the main systems, he would get accused of bias. there are other examples too
whether Ocarina is a great game is opinion based, I personally never got into the Zelda series, so for me , thats off the table. its pretty much the reason why for me PS1>Saturn>N64 as far the games are concerned[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
No I never said that about the Saturn. I said that in modern debate when convincing people to get a Saturn Panzer Dragoon Saga should not be placed on the exclusive list because of how expensive it is.
The saturn has good games that are not expensive I will not deny it is a decent alternative system (especially if you like arcade games as it has the best arcade ports) However the N64 and its exclusives are universally recieved better than the Saturn and its exclusives and the N64 is much less expensive
I mean you can pick what is heralded as the greatest game Oot for less than $10 compared
Banjo_Kongfooie
Yes but my opinion that Oot is an amazing game holds more validity then yours as on Gamespot (the site your posting on) it received a 10, it is the hightest rated game on gamerankings with a 97.48 average and it maintains a 9.7 userscore.
You lack gaming knowledge, and should go and brush up on your gaming skills before boasting about such ridicilous claims as its apparent you have no idea what your talking about.
[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] whether Ocarina is a great game is opinion based, I personally never got into the Zelda series, so for me , thats off the table. its pretty much the reason why for me PS1>Saturn>N64 as far the games are concernedDarkman2007
Yes but my opinion that Oot is a amazing game holds more validity then yours as on Gamespot (the site your posting on) it received a 10, it is the hightest rated game on gamerankings with a 97.48 average and it maintains a 9.7 userscore.
the critics can say what they like , Im not sure why you hold them in a higher place then anyone else since its opinion , no better then yours or mineIt is not just the critics, users as well hold Ooot in high regard as my post pointed out. I mean of course in your view critics opinions do not matter despite the fact they play a vast amount of gamers and are professionals. But even discarding critics we are left with Oot being heralded by gamers as one of the best games of all time.
If we go by what critrics rate games, we'd have to say most modern FPS are some of the best games ever made.[QUOTE="amari24"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] the critics can say what they like , Im not sure why you hold them in a higher place then anyone else since its opinion , no better then yours or mineDarkman2007
critics can sometimes be biased too. for instance , in the IGN review of Dead or Alive for the PS1 they basically said something like
"the PS1 version looks much closer to the arcade then the Saturn , and Sega would be better off if they just made all their games on the PS1"
first off thats wrong, the Saturn version is closer to the arcade , and I can post comparison screenshots (I own both games, and pics from the arcade exist online), and I think that if today a reviewer said that kind of thing on one of the main systems, he would get accused of bias. there are other examples too
So one biased review from a site run by Newscorp (parent corporation of Fox News)... and that represents all professional reviews?
the critics can say what they like , Im not sure why you hold them in a higher place then anyone else since its opinion , no better then yours or mine[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
Yes but my opinion that Oot is a amazing game holds more validity then yours as on Gamespot (the site your posting on) it received a 10, it is the hightest rated game on gamerankings with a 97.48 average and it maintains a 9.7 userscore.
Banjo_Kongfooie
It is not just the critics, users as well hold Ooot in high regard as my post pointed out. I mean of course in your view critics opinions do not matter despite the fact they play a vast amount of gamers and are professionals. But even discarding critics we are left with Oot being heralded by gamers as one of the best games of all time.
That does not mean it is a fact. Let me show you the difference between FACT and OPPINION(I have them in Capital so you can understand better). FACT: The NES was Released in the New York City Market in 1985. OPPINION: The NES is the Greatest Console of all time. See, so lets take OOT, OOT Fact: Released in 1998, Oppinion: The greatest game of all time, and users scores and what other gamers say make this an opinion. When others say it is the greatest game, it is their opinion. If you say it is the greatest it is your opinion. But in the end they are oppinions. Learn the difference.
the critics can say what they like , Im not sure why you hold them in a higher place then anyone else since its opinion , no better then yours or mine[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
Yes but my opinion that Oot is a amazing game holds more validity then yours as on Gamespot (the site your posting on) it received a 10, it is the hightest rated game on gamerankings with a 97.48 average and it maintains a 9.7 userscore.
Banjo_Kongfooie
It is not just the critics, users as well hold Ooot in high regard as my post pointed out. I mean of course in your view critics opinions do not matter despite the fact they play a vast amount of gamers and are professionals. But even discarding critics we are left with Oot being heralded by gamers as one of the best games of all time.
I never said I disregard them , but I said that its opinion no better then yours or mine. and what do you mean "professionals who play vast amounts of games"? I play alot of games on a variety of systems, and just like they play a game and write say what they think , I could do the same, as could you. not that Im disrespecting them , but I don't think their opinion is the be all end all of things. and as for the users, thats great, they like the game , I don't , I own the game, and couldnt get into it, making my opinion just as valid as theirs[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
Yes but my opinion that Oot is a amazing game holds more validity then yours as on Gamespot (the site your posting on) it received a 10, it is the hightest rated game on gamerankings with a 97.48 average and it maintains a 9.7 userscore.
the critics can say what they like , Im not sure why you hold them in a higher place then anyone else since its opinion , no better then yours or mineIt is not just the critics, users as well hold Ooot in high regard as my post pointed out. I mean of course in your view critics opinions do not matter despite the fact they play a vast amount of gamers and are professionals. But even discarding critics we are left with Oot being heralded by gamers as one of the best games of all time.
You clearly don't know the difference of a fact and an opinion.[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] the critics can say what they like , Im not sure why you hold them in a higher place then anyone else since its opinion , no better then yours or mineamari24
It is not just the critics, users as well hold Ooot in high regard as my post pointed out. I mean of course in your view critics opinions do not matter despite the fact they play a vast amount of gamers and are professionals. But even discarding critics we are left with Oot being heralded by gamers as one of the best games of all time.
You clearly don't know the difference of a fact and an opinion.Of course I do... My arguement is essentially that my opinion is superior to his based off the fact that he is not articulating an explanation of his opinion and my opinion is the status quo (OoT being an amazing game).
You clearly don't know the difference of a fact and an opinion.[QUOTE="amari24"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
It is not just the critics, users as well hold Ooot in high regard as my post pointed out. I mean of course in your view critics opinions do not matter despite the fact they play a vast amount of gamers and are professionals. But even discarding critics we are left with Oot being heralded by gamers as one of the best games of all time.
Banjo_Kongfooie
Of course I do... My arguement is essentially that my opinion is superior to his based off the fact that he is not articulating an explanation of his opinion and my opinion is the status quo (OoT being an amazing game).
you want an explanation? sure, I found the game game just didn't interest me, though Im not a fan of any of the Zelda games.You clearly don't know the difference of a fact and an opinion.[QUOTE="amari24"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
It is not just the critics, users as well hold Ooot in high regard as my post pointed out. I mean of course in your view critics opinions do not matter despite the fact they play a vast amount of gamers and are professionals. But even discarding critics we are left with Oot being heralded by gamers as one of the best games of all time.
Banjo_Kongfooie
Of course I do... My arguement is essentially that my opinion is superior to his based off the fact that he is not articulating an explanation of his opinion and my opinion is the status quo (OoT being an amazing game).
Wow......you simply have proved everything we have said about you. I...am just wow....just...wow.....LOL. Perhaps dramatic reading material when I return to Youtube?
You clearly don't know the difference of a fact and an opinion.[QUOTE="amari24"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
It is not just the critics, users as well hold Ooot in high regard as my post pointed out. I mean of course in your view critics opinions do not matter despite the fact they play a vast amount of gamers and are professionals. But even discarding critics we are left with Oot being heralded by gamers as one of the best games of all time.
Banjo_Kongfooie
Of course I do... My arguement is essentially that my opinion is superior to his based off the fact that he is not articulating an explanation of his opinion and my opinion is the status quo (OoT being an amazing game).
and what youre doing is saying "this game is great because that guy said so" some articulatingYou clearly don't know the difference of a fact and an opinion.[QUOTE="amari24"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
It is not just the critics, users as well hold Ooot in high regard as my post pointed out. I mean of course in your view critics opinions do not matter despite the fact they play a vast amount of gamers and are professionals. But even discarding critics we are left with Oot being heralded by gamers as one of the best games of all time.
Banjo_Kongfooie
Of course I do... My arguement is essentially that my opinion is superior to his based off the fact that he is not articulating an explanation of his opinion and my opinion is the status quo (OoT being an amazing game).
Your's doesn't hold much weight either. You say that since other gamers and critics think the game is great, it's not a valid opinion to think it's not great. That's like saying my opinion doesn't matter if I don't think CoD is a great game, even though CoD is well preceived by gamer's and critic's.[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="amari24"] You clearly don't know the difference of a fact and an opinion. amari24
Of course I do... My arguement is essentially that my opinion is superior to his based off the fact that he is not articulating an explanation of his opinion and my opinion is the status quo (OoT being an amazing game).
Your's doesn't hold much weight either. You say that since other gamers and critics think the game is great, it's not a valid opinion to think it's not great. That's like saying no one can think CoD isn't a good game, even though it's well preceived by gamers and critics.It is a valid opinion just less valid then mine if we both say oh this game is good and oh this game is bad.
The status quo really does not need to explain their opinion because the universal praise says enough but an effective minority opinion challenging the majority should be thorough and articulate not just that it was boring.
Your's doesn't hold much weight either. You say that since other gamers and critics think the game is great, it's not a valid opinion to think it's not great. That's like saying no one can think CoD isn't a good game, even though it's well preceived by gamers and critics.[QUOTE="amari24"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
Of course I do... My arguement is essentially that my opinion is superior to his based off the fact that he is not articulating an explanation of his opinion and my opinion is the status quo (OoT being an amazing game).
Banjo_Kongfooie
It is a valid opinion just less valid then mine if we both say oh this game is good and oh this game is bad.
The status quo really does not need to explain their opinion because the universal praise says enough but an effective minority opinion challenging the majority should be thorough and articulate not just that it was boring.
but youre trying to enforce your opinion onto others, when in fact I do own the game , and simply come to the conclusion I don't find the game great, the "minority" doesnt need to be any more articulate then the majority, and I could just start making historical references to that too.[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] the critics can say what they like , Im not sure why you hold them in a higher place then anyone else since its opinion , no better then yours or mineTheTrueMagusX1
It is not just the critics, users as well hold Ooot in high regard as my post pointed out. I mean of course in your view critics opinions do not matter despite the fact they play a vast amount of gamers and are professionals. But even discarding critics we are left with Oot being heralded by gamers as one of the best games of all time.
That does not mean it is a fact. Let me show you the difference between FACT and OPPINION(I have them in Capital so you can understand better). FACT: The NES was Released in the New York City Market in 1985. OPPINION: The NES is the Greatest Console of all time. See, so lets take OOT, OOT Fact: Released in 1998, Oppinion: The greatest game of all time, and users scores and what other gamers say make this an opinion. When others say it is the greatest game, it is their opinion. If you say it is the greatest it is your opinion. But in the end they are oppinions. Learn the difference.
It's a fact OoT is one of the best-rated (if not the best-rated) games by critics and gamers alike, though.
Whether one agrees with that or not is a subjective thing.
I never owned a Playstation, and I have only had the chance to play some of the PS classics when I first got me PS2.
I was able to experience the Saturn shortly after the release, and spent alot of time gaming with that system. I also had an N64 about a year after release and spent decent timing game with that system.
At that time in gaming, there was a big push towards 3D gaming and I always thought the N64 did it the best out of the 3 (which should be no surprise since it was released after the other two and has better specs). So of the three systems, I would say the N64 won the war on at least what the gaming industry was trying to accomplish at the time.
To follow up on a few of Darkman's posts, the saturn verision of Dead or Alive was closer to the arcade version then the PS version. I bring that up because the saturn did an excellent job with arcade ports. I had a great time with the saturn mainly playing arcade ports and 2d fighters. To me, Sega really hit home with the bring the arcade experience to your living room.
Also, Darkman is right, most people in these forums are avid gamers and have spent a lot of time playing games in their life. We all could write reviews expressing the pros and cons of every game. The one thing that professional reviewers have on a lot of us is most went to college for english or journalism, and have refined writing skills allowing them to work for a company and post these professional reviews. But what they right is not the end all about a game, they are just someone's opinion and experience with a game. There have been many times when a reviewers scored a game poorly, said it was inferior to another game, or gave it a great score and I did not agree after playing the game
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[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
It is not just the critics, users as well hold Ooot in high regard as my post pointed out. I mean of course in your view critics opinions do not matter despite the fact they play a vast amount of gamers and are professionals. But even discarding critics we are left with Oot being heralded by gamers as one of the best games of all time.
nameless12345
That does not mean it is a fact. Let me show you the difference between FACT and OPPINION(I have them in Capital so you can understand better). FACT: The NES was Released in the New York City Market in 1985. OPPINION: The NES is the Greatest Console of all time. See, so lets take OOT, OOT Fact: Released in 1998, Oppinion: The greatest game of all time, and users scores and what other gamers say make this an opinion. When others say it is the greatest game, it is their opinion. If you say it is the greatest it is your opinion. But in the end they are oppinions. Learn the difference.
It's a fact OoT is one of the best-rated (if not the best-rated) games by critics and gamers alike, though.
Whether one agrees with that or not is a subjective thing.
Being high rated may be a fact, but being high rated and being the best are quite different. That is the difference that Banjo fails to see, he also fails to see your last sentence as well. Again Critics donot define the defintiive best games as there are no such things. High rated may be a fact, but again that does not determine the best game ever. It is as you say it is a subjective thing.
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[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
It is not just the critics, users as well hold Ooot in high regard as my post pointed out. I mean of course in your view critics opinions do not matter despite the fact they play a vast amount of gamers and are professionals. But even discarding critics we are left with Oot being heralded by gamers as one of the best games of all time.
nameless12345
That does not mean it is a fact. Let me show you the difference between FACT and OPPINION(I have them in Capital so you can understand better). FACT: The NES was Released in the New York City Market in 1985. OPPINION: The NES is the Greatest Console of all time. See, so lets take OOT, OOT Fact: Released in 1998, Oppinion: The greatest game of all time, and users scores and what other gamers say make this an opinion. When others say it is the greatest game, it is their opinion. If you say it is the greatest it is your opinion. But in the end they are oppinions. Learn the difference.
It's a fact OoT is one of the best-rated (if not the best-rated) games by critics and gamers alike, though.
Whether one agrees with that or not is a subjective thing.
Appearently someone saying Big Rigs is the best game has just as good of an opinion as someone saying that OoT is the best game.
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[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]
That does not mean it is a fact. Let me show you the difference between FACT and OPPINION(I have them in Capital so you can understand better). FACT: The NES was Released in the New York City Market in 1985. OPPINION: The NES is the Greatest Console of all time. See, so lets take OOT, OOT Fact: Released in 1998, Oppinion: The greatest game of all time, and users scores and what other gamers say make this an opinion. When others say it is the greatest game, it is their opinion. If you say it is the greatest it is your opinion. But in the end they are oppinions. Learn the difference.
TheTrueMagusX1
It's a fact OoT is one of the best-rated (if not the best-rated) games by critics and gamers alike, though.
Whether one agrees with that or not is a subjective thing.
Being high rated may be a fact, but being high rated and being the best are quite different. That is the difference that Banjo fails to see, he also fails to see your last sentence as well. Again Critics donot define the defintiive best games as there are no such things. High rated may be a fact, but again that does not determine the best game ever. It is as you say it is a subjective thing.
I agree. The best game ever to one person is likely going to be diferent from the best game ever to another person. Other things such as what genre of games someone likes is going to factor in to that as well.
I owned and played Zelda: OoT, and I thought it was a great game, but it is by far not my favorite game because that genre of gaming is not my favorite.
Like everyone has been saying, its subjective.
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[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]
That does not mean it is a fact. Let me show you the difference between FACT and OPPINION(I have them in Capital so you can understand better). FACT: The NES was Released in the New York City Market in 1985. OPPINION: The NES is the Greatest Console of all time. See, so lets take OOT, OOT Fact: Released in 1998, Oppinion: The greatest game of all time, and users scores and what other gamers say make this an opinion. When others say it is the greatest game, it is their opinion. If you say it is the greatest it is your opinion. But in the end they are oppinions. Learn the difference.
Banjo_Kongfooie
It's a fact OoT is one of the best-rated (if not the best-rated) games by critics and gamers alike, though.
Whether one agrees with that or not is a subjective thing.
Appearently someone saying Big Rigs is the best game has just as good of an opinion as someone saying that OoT is the best game.
Because you cannot comprehend the difference between the two.
saturn shouldnt even be in tha same room as n64 and psone, but i choose psone overall
ah yes, exactly what I was talking about beforehand. I just assume you own the system to not like itsaturn shouldnt even be in tha same room as n64 and psone, but i choose psone overall
youngmurk911
[QUOTE="youngmurk911"]ah yes, exactly what I was talking about beforehand. I just assume you own the system to not like itsaturn shouldnt even be in tha same room as n64 and psone, but i choose psone overall
Darkman2007
Why should he have to own a system he does not like?
ah yes, exactly what I was talking about beforehand. I just assume you own the system to not like it[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="youngmurk911"]
saturn shouldnt even be in tha same room as n64 and psone, but i choose psone overall
Banjo_Kongfooie
Why should he have to own a system he does not like?
because if someone dislikes something , they must have had a negative experience with it , therefore he must have owned it , or at least played it extensively to dislike it. Imagine if I said "I dislike the Turbografix 16, I never owned it, never played a single TG16 game,I ve never even seen one in person but I dislike it" what would you tell me? and no I don't dislike the TG16, because I don't own it and never have, so who am I to form any opinion about it.Please Log In to post.
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