Nintendo Gamcube or Nintendo 64?

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

Gotta say it... N64.

It had the better starfox, the better Zelda, the better Mario, better Mario Kart, etc (IMO)

I mean, come on, it had Rareware.

nameless12345

Poor troll attempt...

If Rare stayed with Nintendo we would see:

- Donkey Kong Racing (the spiritual sequel to Diddy Kong Racing - often considered one of the best "cartoon" racers)

- Kameo (was eventually released on 360 but the GC version looked different, may I say more appealing)

- Perfect Dark Zero (the Cel-shaded version that would keep the qualities of the original game instead of the average 360 version)

- Banjo-Threeie (true successor to Tooie, not that "vehicle building sim" called Nuts N Bolts)

- Killer Instinct 3 (likely)

- Conker 2 (also likely - not a censored remake of BFD)

- Jet Force Gemini 2 (one can dream...)

- even more new IPs

Make no mistake, the loss of Rare was a huge blow for Nintendo and undoubtly the GC sold millions of units less because of it.

[QUOTE="bowserjr123"]

Even though I think Paper Mario 64>Thousand Year Door and Super Mario 64>Super Mario Sunshine, in every other way I like Gamecube better.  Better controller, actually having Metroid games, a better Mario Kart, 2 Star Fox games instead of one, a better F-Zero game, better and more 3rd party games, and also better graphics lead to a much better system IMO.

YoshiYogurt

Nah I don't think so.  I know this is personal bias with the fact that I played the first one way more and that it's one of my all-time favorites games but while Thousand Year Door is great, it just doesn't stand out as much to me.  I liked the partners, enemies, story, soundtrack, and worlds of the first one better.

When in the f*** did originality matter THAT much? Just because something is original, doesn't make it good or superior.nintendoboy16

Nobody said it did.

Now what I'm talking about is how Factor 5 copy and pasted level designs across Rogue Squadron games, and how by RSIII they did absolutely nothing with the flight sections that they hadn't done multiple times before.

With that game they tried to add new things by adding the on foot missions, and they made an utter mess with those, so it the end we have the same old flight sections with better graphics interspersed with crappy on-foot levels.

btw, what was so unfinished about the third one?nintendoboy16

I dunno, maybe the fact that half the levels looked liked smoothed out PS1 graphics whilst the other half looked like some of the best graphics on the system? the graphics in that game went up and down like a yoyo.

The on-foot levels had horrible controls, were poorly animated, and had awful, clunky gameplay.

What was so lazy about REmake?nintendoboy16

It was a remake.

I guess Capcom were like "Shit! we have to make polygon environments for our survival horror games now, after Code Veronica we'd never get away with just scanning artwork and hanging it on the background like wallpaper anymore, oh wait! we'll just remake the 1st game! journalists will go easy on its old gameplay due to it being widely regarded as a classic, and nostalgia, and the consumer base is already there as the game already has tons of exposure and there's already and audience for it." etc etc

Remakes are always inherently lazy, low risk ventures to make extra cash.

Not only that, why are you crediting Nintendo for it when it was CAPCOM'S decision to remake it?nintendoboy16

I didn't credit Nintendo, I said it helped to make Nintendo realise they could just re-release their old games with a new coat of polish as a means to print money.

Both Rogue game are high rated on MC.jakandsigz

RSIII is fortunate in that it includes the entirety of RSII in it as a co-op game.

That a deal you just can't ignore.

the definitive version of ooTjakandsigz

The main thing that I noticed about Oot on GameCube was that it was neutered and censored (with the ending especially losing impact), and that it had inferior Fire Temple music.

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Also, only on GameCube would Geist be considered a notable fps

I really wanted to like that game, I got it soon after release, it was painfully dated and mediocre.

and judging by the Metacritic & Gamerankings scores critics agreed with my opinion.

its a 5/10 - 6/10 game through and through.

I own both. Gamecube is far better than N64 because Gamecube regains third party supported very slowly.deafnycplayer

Pffft, scraps is what they got. Nintendo went from having a few companies creating dedicated N64 games to slightly more handing them PS2 & Dreamcast scraps.

and then there's Capcom with their "we're going to give Nintendo fans loads of high profile exclusives" schlock, translated as "we're going to use GameCube as a test market for a few games and unload a ton of lazy ports to squeeze more money out of our old software".

And that's not even going into 2nd parties, with them losing Rare

Nobody said it did.

Domino_slayer

N64 is better by a landslide.

PortCube was Nintendo's laziest consoles, the majority of games were belated ps2 ports, and 1st party software was usually rushed and disappointing. Nintendo basically coasted along on their established IPs during that whole generation putting in little effort.

The only saving graces of GameCube were Smash Bros, F-Zero, Metroid Prime, Eternal Darkness, and its controller.

N64 was about re-inventing Nintendo's games, and thinking outside of the box

GameCube was about rehashing, re-releasing, remaking, and porting.

During the N64 gen Nintendo led the way in many genre's, such as platformers, fps, and even some racers

During the GameCube gen 3rd party's completely trashed Nintendo's offerings.

The simple formula for GameCube is -

N64 + 3rd party belated ports - Rareware - 3rd party exclusives = GameCube

Domino_slayer

Also, I find it funny how you called the GameCube out for rehash and remake and yet you defended Metroid, Smash Bros. and F-Zero, three franchises that, like Nintendo's current triforce (Mario/Zelda/Pokemon), get/got called out (well, F-Zero doesn't anymore as Nintendo put that on hiatus) for rehashing. Didn't N64 get an F-Zero game?

I dunno, maybe the fact that half the levels looked liked smoothed out PS1 graphics whilst the other half looked like some of the best graphics on the system? the graphics in that game went up and down like a yoyo.

The on-foot levels had horrible controls, were poorly animated, and had awful, clunky gameplay.

Domino_slayer

Okay, I'll give you that the third person gameplay wasn't great (Star Fox Assault had it better), but looking like a PS1 game? What the hell am I missing? A PS1 would catch fire running something like that.

It was a remake.

I guess Capcom were like "Shit! we have to make polygon environments for our survival horror games now, after Code Veronica we'd never get away with just scanning artwork and hanging it on the background like wallpaper anymore, oh wait! we'll just remake the 1st game! journalists will go easy on its old gameplay due to it being widely regarded as a classic, and nostalgia, and the consumer base is already there as the game already has tons of exposure and there's already and audience for it." etc etc

Remakes are always inherently lazy, low risk ventures to make extra cash.

Domino_slayer

Is Tomb Raider: Anniversary lazy because it's a remake of the original TR, except running on the same engine as Legend with NO tank controls, re-tweaked storyline to work with the continuity and (obviously) better visuals that aren't just a clean up?

[QUOTE="Domino_slayer"]

I dunno, maybe the fact that half the levels looked liked smoothed out PS1 graphics whilst the other half looked like some of the best graphics on the system? the graphics in that game went up and down like a yoyo.

The on-foot levels had horrible controls, were poorly animated, and had awful, clunky gameplay.

nintendoboy16

Okay, I'll give you that the third person gameplay wasn't great (Star Fox Assault had it better), but looking like a PS1 game? What the hell am I missing? A PS1 would catch fire running something like that.

It was a remake.

I guess Capcom were like "Shit! we have to make polygon environments for our survival horror games now, after Code Veronica we'd never get away with just scanning artwork and hanging it on the background like wallpaper anymore, oh wait! we'll just remake the 1st game! journalists will go easy on its old gameplay due to it being widely regarded as a classic, and nostalgia, and the consumer base is already there as the game already has tons of exposure and there's already and audience for it." etc etc

Remakes are always inherently lazy, low risk ventures to make extra cash.

Domino_slayer

Is Tomb Raider: Anniversary lazy because it's a remake of the original TR, except running on the same engine as Legend with NO tank controls, re-tweaked storyline to work with the continuity and (obviously) better visuals that aren't just a clean up?

I think their libraries are about equal. I voted for the cube since the controller is better (note: I actually like N64 controllers). I could have just as easily said N64 since I think the multiplayer games for that were a little better (MK64 vs. Double Dash and I can't think of a shooter as fun as Goldeneye on GameCube).

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="Domino_slayer"]

I dunno, maybe the fact that half the levels looked liked smoothed out PS1 graphics whilst the other half looked like some of the best graphics on the system? the graphics in that game went up and down like a yoyo.

The on-foot levels had horrible controls, were poorly animated, and had awful, clunky gameplay.

Heirren

Okay, I'll give you that the third person gameplay wasn't great (Star Fox Assault had it better), but looking like a PS1 game? What the hell am I missing? A PS1 would catch fire running something like that.

It was a remake.

I guess Capcom were like "Shit! we have to make polygon environments for our survival horror games now, after Code Veronica we'd never get away with just scanning artwork and hanging it on the background like wallpaper anymore, oh wait! we'll just remake the 1st game! journalists will go easy on its old gameplay due to it being widely regarded as a classic, and nostalgia, and the consumer base is already there as the game already has tons of exposure and there's already and audience for it." etc etc

Remakes are always inherently lazy, low risk ventures to make extra cash.

Domino_slayer

Is Tomb Raider: Anniversary lazy because it's a remake of the original TR, except running on the same engine as Legend with NO tank controls, re-tweaked storyline to work with the continuity and (obviously) better visuals that aren't just a clean up?

Actually, Nintendo were too inventive for their own good in the GC era.

People didn't want SM Sunshine, they wanted Super Mario 128.

People didn't want Wind Waker, they wanted Ocarina of Time 2.

People didn't want Metroid Prime, they wanted a "Halo killer" with online multiplayer.

Nintendo failed to see what people actually want.

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Remake =/= lazy. Especially when you put quite a bit of effort into them. It's not just the new graphics, but the voice acting, the re-tweaked atmosphere and new content are among several reasons prevent REmake from being lazy.

Is Tomb Raider: Anniversary lazy because it's a remake of the original TR, except running on the same engine as Legend with NO tank controls, re-tweaked storyline to work with the continuity and (obviously) better visuals that aren't just a clean up?

nameless12345

Actually, Nintendo were too inventive for their own good in the GC era.

People didn't want SM Sunshine, they wanted Super Mario 128.

People didn't want Wind Waker, they wanted Ocarina of Time 2.

People didn't want Metroid Prime, they wanted a "Halo killer" with online multiplayer.

Nintendo failed to see what people actually want.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] I think the "lazy" aspect is referring to, "not inventive/why not a completely new game" more than anything else. I have mixed feelings on this vs topic. In the shortest terms possible I'd say both consoles have about the same amount of games I continue to go back to. Some will call me crazy but I even think some n64 games have aged much better visually than some GameCube titles. For example, IMO Wave Race 64 is more visually appealing than Blue Storm. The tech of the n64 era couldn't really do ultra realism, so it wasn't attempted. The game artists--the ones that worked within the strengths of the console--made some wonderful looking games that hold up great. GameCube on the other hand was an era where developers strived for a more realistic approach a lot of the time. While it was impressive then, most of these games look archaic today because that direction has enveloped so much.NationProtector

Actually, Nintendo were too inventive for their own good in the GC era.

People didn't want SM Sunshine, they wanted Super Mario 128.

People didn't want Wind Waker, they wanted Ocarina of Time 2.

People didn't want Metroid Prime, they wanted a "Halo killer" with online multiplayer.

Nintendo failed to see what people actually want.

It was hardly a "Halo killer".

Great game, sure, but no online MP and a more exploration-based gameplay hurt it's success to an extent.

[QUOTE="NationProtector"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

 

Actually, Nintendo were too inventive for their own good in the GC era.

People didn't want SM Sunshine, they wanted Super Mario 128.

People didn't want Wind Waker, they wanted Ocarina of Time 2.

People didn't want Metroid Prime, they wanted a "Halo killer" with online multiplayer.

Nintendo failed to see what people actually want.

nameless12345

It was hardly a "Halo killer".

Great game, sure, but no online MP and a more exploration-based gameplay hurt it's success to an extent.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="NationProtector"] Metroid Prime was considered a Halo killer by Prime fans back in that gen, and even a little now. Sure, it failed, and got worse every installment, and sold worse every installment. Metroid PRime was like the reverse Killzone, excpet the first game was polished and worked.NationProtector

It was hardly a "Halo killer".

Great game, sure, but no online MP and a more exploration-based gameplay hurt it's success to an extent.

PC version had, yes.

I know as I own it.

Xbox version should have it too, besides co-op play. (which was absent in PC version)

[QUOTE="NationProtector"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

 

It was hardly a "Halo killer".

Great game, sure, but no online MP and a more exploration-based gameplay hurt it's success to an extent.

nameless12345

PC version had, yes.

I know as I own it.

Xbox version should have it too, besides co-op play. (which was absent in PC version)

Nobody considered Metroid Prime a Halo killer, because they have completely different gameplay.

Nobody considered Metroid Prime a Halo killer, because they have completely different gameplay.

Emerald_Warrior

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Nobody considered Metroid Prime a Halo killer, because they have completely different gameplay.

NationProtector

lol, no, not incorrect. Have you played both games? There's no doubt about it. Halo is a high-action, military shooter with an emphasis on the multiplayer. Metroid-Prime is a slow-plodding, exploration and upgrade-driven game that's a single-player experience.

[QUOTE="NationProtector"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Nobody considered Metroid Prime a Halo killer, because they have completely different gameplay.

Emerald_Warrior

lol, no, not incorrect. Have you played both games? There's no doubt about it. Halo is a high-action, military shooter with an emphasis on the multiplayer. Metroid-Prime is a slow-plodding, exploration and upgrade-driven game that's a single-player experience.

This would just about end in a draw if the number of Nintendo 64 and Gamecube great games were taken into consideration. One Console is 64 bit and the other is 128 bit. Both consoles made some missteps in choice of media for games. Both media were too small compared to other offering at the time.

But Nintendo managed to make money and survive the lean times with both of these systems. Due to there were just enough great games for this two systems to keep Nintendo in the game.

So I would call it a draw.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="NationProtector"] Incorrect, the reason Nintenod released a statement saying MP was not a FPS was because people were calling it a FPS and a Halo killer.NationProtector

lol, no, not incorrect. Have you played both games? There's no doubt about it. Halo is a high-action, military shooter with an emphasis on the multiplayer. Metroid-Prime is a slow-plodding, exploration and upgrade-driven game that's a single-player experience.

I am a fan of both, I have never compared Metroid Prime to Halo, because it's apples and oranges, and neither has anyone else that I know. And I never said anything either way about what Nintendo said, that's all you. I'm going by what I can see with my own two eyes because I've played both games. I don't need Nintendo to tell me that Metroid Prime is completely different than Halo. Anyone that's played both can plainly see the difference.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] I think the "lazy" aspect is referring to, "not inventive/why not a completely new game" more than anything else. I have mixed feelings on this vs topic. In the shortest terms possible I'd say both consoles have about the same amount of games I continue to go back to. Some will call me crazy but I even think some n64 games have aged much better visually than some GameCube titles. For example, IMO Wave Race 64 is more visually appealing than Blue Storm. The tech of the n64 era couldn't really do ultra realism, so it wasn't attempted. The game artists--the ones that worked within the strengths of the console--made some wonderful looking games that hold up great. GameCube on the other hand was an era where developers strived for a more realistic approach a lot of the time. While it was impressive then, most of these games look archaic today because that direction has enveloped so much.NationProtector

Actually, Nintendo were too inventive for their own good in the GC era.

People didn't want SM Sunshine, they wanted Super Mario 128.

People didn't want Wind Waker, they wanted Ocarina of Time 2.

People didn't want Metroid Prime, they wanted a "Halo killer" with online multiplayer.

Nintendo failed to see what people actually want.

Metroid Prime was always a better game than any of the Halo games. I don't think it was a Halo killer because Metroid Prime is not a FPS.....but Prime is undeniably the better game and still seems fresh today.

Nobody considered Metroid Prime a Halo killer, because they have completely different gameplay.

Emerald_Warrior

Exactly...

but Metroid Prime is the superior game, as I'm sure many would agree.

Metroid Prime is an Action-Adventure game with a first-person perspective.

Gamespot reviewer Greg Kasavin (best reviewer I've seen at GS) states right away that it is not a FPS, although I base my statement on actually playing through Prime several times.

Echoes was nearly as good as the original.

Sure about that?nintendoboy16

Yes, I'm sure that trying out new things is better than simply copying and pasting gameplay whilst improving graphics.

I find it funny how you called the GameCube out for rehash and remake and yet you defended Metroid, Smash Bros. and F-Zero, three franchises that, like Nintendo's current triforce (Mario/Zelda/Pokemon), get/got called out (well, F-Zero doesn't anymore as Nintendo put that on hiatus) for rehashing. Didn't N64 get an F-Zero game?nintendoboy16

None of those games really got called out for re-hashing on GameCube.

Metroid Prime was the first ever 3D Metroid, so that clearly doesn't count (would be classed under "re-invention")

Melee was an incredible leap over 64, for one thing the stages in Melee were incredibly dynamic in comparison, playing very differently, and creating a lot more excitement. On top of that, whilst I love the game and played it to death at the time, 64's fighting system is much weaker than Melee's, Melee made it harder to juggle people into oblivion for instance. Generally Melee is just a tighter, much more competitive, and skilled game than 64. In essence there were a lot of things about 64 which actually needed fixing.

F-Zero GX was made by Sega and honestly whilst retaining a lot of what makes F-Zero the series it is, it plays like a very diffferent game to me. The game feels more hardcore (original definition), its fast and exhilarating. To be honest I'm only a huge fan of GX, I like the other F-Zero games but I never loved them in the way that I did when I first played GX (and I bought F-Zero X when it first came out too).

but looking like a PS1 game? What the hell am I missing? A PS1 would catch fire running something like that.nintendoboy16

I think a PS1 could run areas like these pretty easily to be honest

Now this on the other hand, not a chance

But then that's what I was talking about when I said the graphics went up and down like a yoyo.

People didn't want SM Sunshine, they wanted Super Mario 128.nameless

They didn't want Sunshine because it was rushed out with half the number of levels that 64 had, relied on padding through blue coin searches, had a terrible camera, repeated the same objectives over and over, and because it had a really weird difficulty curve which veered up and down.

Seriously, after replaying it last month I searched through old threads about the game, generally there were more complaints about -

1. The camera.
2. The difficulty of the "Fludd-less" levels.
3. The randomness of the hidden Blue Coins.

Than there were about the water elements (though the water stuff was brought up)

Fludd itself was just a dual character addition, thieved from Banjo-Kazooie, after BK all the platform developers started doing a dual character set-up (Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter etc).

People didn't want Wind Waker, they wanted Ocarina of Time 2.nameless

Pfft, Wind Waker just jumped on the Cell shading band-wagon like every other game was doing at the time, Sega were inventive there with Jet Set Radio, everyone else just copied them en masse, that's not invention.

I went N64

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

Nintendo 64 by a very, very wide margin. I love the Gamecube, but there are only about 50 games on the console that appeal to me, compared to about 120 on the N64. And yes, Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64 and Perfect Dark alone make it way better imo.

VendettaRed07

120?...........

yeah i was thinking the same thing.  120 games that are good on the N64?  DOUBT IT!  I think it's more like 5 really good GC games and 20 really good N64 games.

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

Nintendo 64 by a very, very wide margin. I love the Gamecube, but there are only about 50 games on the console that appeal to me, compared to about 120 on the N64. And yes, Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64 and Perfect Dark alone make it way better imo.

Talldude80

120?...........

yeah i was thinking the same thing. 120 games that are good on the N64? DOUBT IT! I think it's more like 5 really good GC games and 20 really good N64 games.

Nintendo 64:

1. 1080 (Snowboarding)
2. Banjo-Kazooie
3. Banjo-Tooie
4. Donkey Kong 64
5. Doom 64
6. Duke Nukem 64
7. Duke Nukem: Zero Hour
8. F-Zero X
9. Goldeneye: 007
10. Jet Force Gemini
11. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
12. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
13. Mario Kart 64
14. Mega Man 64
15. Paper Mario
16. Perfect Dark
17. Quake
18. Quake II
19. Resident Evil 2
20. Road Rash 64
21. San Francisco Rush 2049
22. Spider-Man
23. Starfox 64
24. Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth
25. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
26. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
27. Super Mario 64
28. Super Smash Bros.
29. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
30. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
31. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
32. Turok: Dinosaur Hunter
33. Turok 2
34. Turok 3
35. Vigilante 8
36. Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense
37. Wave Race 64
38. WCW/n.W.o: Revenge
39. WCW/n.W.o.: World Tour
40. WWF: Wrestlemania 2000
41. WWF: No Mercy

GameCube:

1. Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
2. Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of Cortex
3. Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
4. F-Zero GX
5. Geist
6. The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Disc (Zelda Collection)
7. The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
8. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
9. Mario Kart: Double-Dash
10. Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes
11. Metroid Prime
12. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
13. Need For Speed: Underground
14. Need For Speed: Underground 2
15. Pac-Man World 2
16. Pac-Man World 3
17. Resident Evil: Zero
18. Resident Evil (Remake)
19. Resident Evil 2
20. Resident Evil 3: Nemesis
21. Resident Evil 4
22. Skies of Aracadia: Legends
23. Sonic Gems Collection
24. Sonic Mega Collection
25. Spider-Man: The Movie
26. Spider-Man 2
27. Spyro the Dragon: A Hero's Tail
28. Starfox: Adventures
29. Starfox: Assault
30. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
31. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike
32. Super Mario Sunshine
33. Super Smash Bros.: Melee
34. Tales of Symphonia
35. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
36. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4
37. Tony Hawk's Underground
38. Tony Hawk's Underground 2
39. WWE: Wrestlemania X-8
40. WWE: Day of Reckoning
41. WWE: Day of Reckoning 2
42. X-Men Legends
43. X-Men Legends 2: Rise of Apocalypse

None of those games really got called out for re-hashing on GameCube.

Metroid Prime was the first ever 3D Metroid, so that clearly doesn't count (would be classed under "re-invention")

Melee was an incredible leap over 64, for one thing the stages in Melee were incredibly dynamic in comparison, playing very differently, and creating a lot more excitement. On top of that, whilst I love the game and played it to death at the time, 64's fighting system is much weaker than Melee's, Melee made it harder to juggle people into oblivion for instance. Generally Melee is just a tighter, much more competitive, and skilled game than 64. In essence there were a lot of things about 64 which actually needed fixing.

F-Zero GX was made by Sega and honestly whilst retaining a lot of what makes F-Zero the series it is, it plays like a very diffferent game to me. The game feels more hardcore (original definition), its fast and exhilarating. To be honest I'm only a huge fan of GX, I like the other F-Zero games but I never loved them in the way that I did when I first played GX (and I bought F-Zero X when it first came out too).

Domino_Slayer

I think a PS1 could run areas like these pretty easily to be honest

Now this on the other hand, not a chance

Domino_Slayer

Pfft, Wind Waker just jumped on the Cell shading band-wagon like every other game was doing at the time, Sega were inventive there with Jet Set Radio, everyone else just copied them en masse, that's not invention.

Domino_Slayer

[QUOTE="Talldude80"]

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

120?...........

Emerald_Warrior

yeah i was thinking the same thing. 120 games that are good on the N64? DOUBT IT! I think it's more like 5 really good GC games and 20 really good N64 games.

Nintendo 64:

1. 1080 (Snowboarding)
2. Banjo-Kazooie
3. Banjo-Tooie
4. Donkey Kong 64
5. Doom 64
6. Duke Nukem 64
7. Duke Nukem: Zero Hour
8. F-Zero X
9. Goldeneye: 007
10. Jet Force Gemini
11. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
12. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
13. Mario Kart 64
14. Mega Man 64
15. Paper Mario
16. Perfect Dark
17. Quake
18. Quake II
19. Resident Evil 2
20. Road Rash 64
21. San Francisco Rush 2049
22. Spider-Man
23. Starfox 64
24. Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth
25. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
26. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
27. Super Mario 64
28. Super Smash Bros.
29. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
30. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
31. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
32. Turok: Dinosaur Hunter
33. Turok 2
34. Turok 3
35. Vigilante 8
36. Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense
37. Wave Race 64
38. WCW/n.W.o: Revenge
39. WCW/n.W.o.: World Tour
40. WWF: Wrestlemania 2000
41. WWF: No Mercy

GameCube:

1. Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
2. Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of Cortex
3. Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
4. F-Zero GX
5. Geist
6. The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Disc (Zelda Collection)
7. The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
8. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
9. Mario Kart: Double-Dash
10. Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes
11. Metroid Prime
12. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
13. Need For Speed: Underground
14. Need For Speed: Underground 2
15. Pac-Man World 2
16. Pac-Man World 3
17. Resident Evil: Zero
18. Resident Evil (Remake)
19. Resident Evil 2
20. Resident Evil 3: Nemesis
21. Resident Evil 4
22. Skies of Aracadia: Legends
23. Sonic Gems Collection
24. Sonic Mega Collection
25. Spider-Man: The Movie
26. Spider-Man 2
27. Spyro the Dragon: A Hero's Tail
28. Starfox: Adventures
29. Starfox: Assault
30. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
31. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike
32. Super Mario Sunshine
33. Super Smash Bros.: Melee
34. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
35. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4
36. Tony Hawk's Underground
37. Tony Hawk's Underground 2
38. WWE: Wrestlemania X-8
39. WWE: Day of Reckoning
40. WWE: Day of Reckoning 2
41. X-Men Legends
42. X-Men Legends 2: Rise of Apocalypse

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="Talldude80"]

 

yeah i was thinking the same thing. 120 games that are good on the N64? DOUBT IT! I think it's more like 5 really good GC games and 20 really good N64 games.

Suppaman100

Nintendo 64:

1. 1080 (Snowboarding)
2. Banjo-Kazooie
3. Banjo-Tooie
4. Donkey Kong 64
5. Doom 64
6. Duke Nukem 64
7. Duke Nukem: Zero Hour
8. F-Zero X
9. Goldeneye: 007
10. Jet Force Gemini
11. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
12. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
13. Mario Kart 64
14. Mega Man 64
15. Paper Mario
16. Perfect Dark
17. Quake
18. Quake II
19. Resident Evil 2
20. Road Rash 64
21. San Francisco Rush 2049
22. Spider-Man
23. Starfox 64
24. Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth
25. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
26. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
27. Super Mario 64
28. Super Smash Bros.
29. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
30. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
31. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
32. Turok: Dinosaur Hunter
33. Turok 2
34. Turok 3
35. Vigilante 8
36. Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense
37. Wave Race 64
38. WCW/n.W.o: Revenge
39. WCW/n.W.o.: World Tour
40. WWF: Wrestlemania 2000
41. WWF: No Mercy

GameCube:

1. Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
2. Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of Cortex
3. Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
4. F-Zero GX
5. Geist
6. The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Disc (Zelda Collection)
7. The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
8. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
9. Mario Kart: Double-Dash
10. Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes
11. Metroid Prime
12. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
13. Need For Speed: Underground
14. Need For Speed: Underground 2
15. Pac-Man World 2
16. Pac-Man World 3
17. Resident Evil: Zero
18. Resident Evil (Remake)
19. Resident Evil 2
20. Resident Evil 3: Nemesis
21. Resident Evil 4
22. Skies of Aracadia: Legends
23. Sonic Gems Collection
24. Sonic Mega Collection
25. Spider-Man: The Movie
26. Spider-Man 2
27. Spyro the Dragon: A Hero's Tail
28. Starfox: Adventures
29. Starfox: Assault
30. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
31. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike
32. Super Mario Sunshine
33. Super Smash Bros.: Melee
34. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
35. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4
36. Tony Hawk's Underground
37. Tony Hawk's Underground 2
38. WWE: Wrestlemania X-8
39. WWE: Day of Reckoning
40. WWE: Day of Reckoning 2
41. X-Men Legends
42. X-Men Legends 2: Rise of Apocalypse

 

Nintendo 64:

1. 1080 (Snowboarding)
2. Banjo-Kazooie
3. Banjo-Tooie 
4. Donkey Kong 64
5. Doom 64
6. Duke Nukem 64
7. Duke Nukem: Zero Hour
8. F-Zero X
9. Goldeneye: 007
10. Jet Force Gemini
11. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
12. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
13. Mario Kart 64
14. Mega Man 64
15. Paper Mario
16. Perfect Dark
17. Quake
18. Quake II
19. Resident Evil 2
20. Road Rash 64
21. San Francisco Rush 2049
22. Spider-Man
23. Starfox 64
24. Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth
25. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
26. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
27. Super Mario 64
28. Super Smash Bros.
29. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
30. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
31. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
32. Turok: Dinosaur Hunter
33. Turok 2
34. Turok 3
35. Vigilante 8
36. Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense
37. Wave Race 64
38. WCW/n.W.o: Revenge
39. WCW/n.W.o.: World Tour
40. WWF: Wrestlemania 2000
41. WWF: No Mercy
42. 007: The World Is Not Enough
43. Beetle Adventure Racing
44. Blast Corps
45. Bomberman Hero
46. Conker's Bad Fur Day 
47. Diddy Kong Racing
48. Excitebike 64
49. Extreme-G
50. Goemon's Great Adventure
51. Harvest Moon 64
52. Killer Instinct Gold
53. Mario Golf
54. Mario Party 2
55. Mario Party 3
56. Mario Tennis
57. Mystical Ninja
58. Ogre Battle 64
59. Pilotwings 64
60. Pokemon Snap
61. Ridge Racer 64
62. Rocket: Robot on Wheels
63. San Francisco Rush: Extreme Racing
64. Space Station Silicon Valley

    Emerald_Warrior

Here are some additions.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="Talldude80"]

yeah i was thinking the same thing. 120 games that are good on the N64? DOUBT IT! I think it's more like 5 really good GC games and 20 really good N64 games.

Suppaman100

Nintendo 64:

1. 1080 (Snowboarding)
2. Banjo-Kazooie
3. Banjo-Tooie
4. Donkey Kong 64
5. Doom 64
6. Duke Nukem 64
7. Duke Nukem: Zero Hour
8. F-Zero X
9. Goldeneye: 007
10. Jet Force Gemini
11. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
12. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
13. Mario Kart 64
14. Mega Man 64
15. Paper Mario
16. Perfect Dark
17. Quake
18. Quake II
19. Resident Evil 2
20. Road Rash 64
21. San Francisco Rush 2049
22. Spider-Man
23. Starfox 64
24. Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth
25. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
26. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
27. Super Mario 64
28. Super Smash Bros.
29. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
30. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
31. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
32. Turok: Dinosaur Hunter
33. Turok 2
34. Turok 3
35. Vigilante 8
36. Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense
37. Wave Race 64
38. WCW/n.W.o: Revenge
39. WCW/n.W.o.: World Tour
40. WWF: Wrestlemania 2000
41. WWF: No Mercy

GameCube:

1. Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
2. Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of Cortex
3. Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
4. F-Zero GX
5. Geist
6. The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Disc (Zelda Collection)
7. The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
8. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
9. Mario Kart: Double-Dash
10. Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes
11. Metroid Prime
12. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
13. Need For Speed: Underground
14. Need For Speed: Underground 2
15. Pac-Man World 2
16. Pac-Man World 3
17. Resident Evil: Zero
18. Resident Evil (Remake)
19. Resident Evil 2
20. Resident Evil 3: Nemesis
21. Resident Evil 4
22. Skies of Aracadia: Legends
23. Sonic Gems Collection
24. Sonic Mega Collection
25. Spider-Man: The Movie
26. Spider-Man 2
27. Spyro the Dragon: A Hero's Tail
28. Starfox: Adventures
29. Starfox: Assault
30. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
31. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike
32. Super Mario Sunshine
33. Super Smash Bros.: Melee
34. Tales of Symphonia
35. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
36. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4
37. Tony Hawk's Underground
38. Tony Hawk's Underground 2
39. WWE: Wrestlemania X-8
40. WWE: Day of Reckoning
41. WWE: Day of Reckoning 2
42. X-Men Legends
43. X-Men Legends 2: Rise of Apocalypse

So what? He said there was only 5-20 good games on each system.

And there are still some fantastic exclusives on those lists (some of the best exclusives during those geneartions, I might add). But to be clear, neither were my favorite systems during either generation. But they are still have good game libraries that number far above 5-20 games.

[QUOTE="Suppaman100"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Nintendo 64:

1. 1080 (Snowboarding)
2. Banjo-Kazooie
3. Banjo-Tooie
4. Donkey Kong 64
5. Doom 64
6. Duke Nukem 64
7. Duke Nukem: Zero Hour
8. F-Zero X
9. Goldeneye: 007
10. Jet Force Gemini
11. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
12. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
13. Mario Kart 64
14. Mega Man 64
15. Paper Mario
16. Perfect Dark
17. Quake
18. Quake II
19. Resident Evil 2
20. Road Rash 64
21. San Francisco Rush 2049
22. Spider-Man
23. Starfox 64
24. Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth
25. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
26. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
27. Super Mario 64
28. Super Smash Bros.
29. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
30. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
31. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
32. Turok: Dinosaur Hunter
33. Turok 2
34. Turok 3
35. Vigilante 8
36. Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense
37. Wave Race 64
38. WCW/n.W.o: Revenge
39. WCW/n.W.o.: World Tour
40. WWF: Wrestlemania 2000
41. WWF: No Mercy

GameCube:

1. Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
2. Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of Cortex
3. Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
4. F-Zero GX
5. Geist
6. The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Disc (Zelda Collection)
7. The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
8. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
9. Mario Kart: Double-Dash
10. Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes
11. Metroid Prime
12. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
13. Need For Speed: Underground
14. Need For Speed: Underground 2
15. Pac-Man World 2
16. Pac-Man World 3
17. Resident Evil: Zero
18. Resident Evil (Remake)
19. Resident Evil 2
20. Resident Evil 3: Nemesis
21. Resident Evil 4
22. Skies of Aracadia: Legends
23. Sonic Gems Collection
24. Sonic Mega Collection
25. Spider-Man: The Movie
26. Spider-Man 2
27. Spyro the Dragon: A Hero's Tail
28. Starfox: Adventures
29. Starfox: Assault
30. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
31. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike
32. Super Mario Sunshine
33. Super Smash Bros.: Melee
34. Tales of Symphonia
35. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
36. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4
37. Tony Hawk's Underground
38. Tony Hawk's Underground 2
39. WWE: Wrestlemania X-8
40. WWE: Day of Reckoning
41. WWE: Day of Reckoning 2
42. X-Men Legends
43. X-Men Legends 2: Rise of Apocalypse

Emerald_Warrior

So what? He said there was only 5-20 good games on each system.

And there are still some fantastic exclusives on those lists (some of the best exclusives during those geneartions, I might add). But to be clear, neither were my favorite systems during either generation. But they are still have good game libraries that number far above 5-20 games.

[QUOTE="NationProtector"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

lol, no, not incorrect. Have you played both games? There's no doubt about it. Halo is a high-action, military shooter with an emphasis on the multiplayer. Metroid-Prime is a slow-plodding, exploration and upgrade-driven game that's a single-player experience.

Emerald_Warrior

I am a fan of both, I have never compared Metroid Prime to Halo, because it's apples and oranges, and neither has anyone else that I know. And I never said anything either way about what Nintendo said, that's all you. I'm going by what I can see with my own two eyes because I've played both games. I don't need Nintendo to tell me that Metroid Prime is completely different than Halo. Anyone that's played both can plainly see the difference.

This would just about end in a draw if the number of Nintendo 64 and Gamecube great games were taken into consideration. One Console is 64 bit and the other is 128 bit. Both consoles made some missteps in choice of media for games. Both media were too small compared to other offering at the time.

But Nintendo managed to make money and survive the lean times with both of these systems. Due to there were just enough great games for this two systems to keep Nintendo in the game.

So I would call it a draw.

Megavideogamer

GC was 64-bits too, going by it's CPU.

Of course that doesn't mean they were nearly comparable in power and features.

F-Zero GX was made by Sega and honestly whilst retaining a lot of what makes F-Zero the series it is, it plays like a very diffferent game to me. The game feels more hardcore (original definition), its fast and exhilarating. To be honest I'm only a huge fan of GX, I like the other F-Zero games but I never loved them in the way that I did when I first played GX (and I bought F-Zero X when it first came out too).

Domino_slayer

I personally think F-Zero X was "more hardcore". (esp. with the 2500 kph hack)

It also had a better soundtrack. (a rock/metal one instead of the techno one in GX)

imo, Miyamoto & co could make a really great new F-Zero but it probably won't happen due to Miyamoto "not seeing a sense in the series anymore" or something like that...

Yeah, I doubt it. The character models, the framerate and even the environments look better rendered than anything on the PS1.nintendoboy16

The character models look like crap, the texture's may be higher res than PS1, but they're bland, and there's no variety.

If Metal Gear Solid 1 was smoothed out it would look arguably better in my opinion (I did say it looked like a "smoothed out PS1 game" after all), sure its grainy as hell, but at least there's loads of texture variety, good art design, and some attempts at effects.

Also Metal Gear Solid is animated, and moves FAR, FAR better.

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N64

1. Doom 64
2. Battle Tanx: Global Assault
3. Ocarina of Time
4. Majora's Mask
5. Rocket: Robot on Wheels
6. Ready 2 Rumble Boxing
7. Diddy Kong Racing
8. Turok
9. Turok II
10. Turok: Rage Wars
11. Hybrid Heaven
12. Rayman 2
13. Star Fox 64
14. Banjo Kazooie
15. Banjo Tooie
16. Top Gear Rally
17. Top Gear Rally 2
18. Top Gear Overdrive
19. Duke Nukem 64
20. Extreme G
21. Indianna Jones and the Infernal Machine
22. Nuclear Strike
23. Gauntlet Legends
24. Iggy's Wrekin' Balls
25. Tom Clancy's Rainbow 6
26. Panel De Pon/Pokemon Puzzle League
27. Snowboard Kids
28. Quake 64
29. Quake II
30. Duck Dodgers
31. Forsaken 64
32. Fighters Destiny
33. Star Wars: Episode 1 Racer
34. Duke Nukem: Zero Hour
35. Mario Golf
36. Resident Evil 2
37. F-Zero X
38. Wave Race 64
39. Smash Bros
40. Harvest Moon
41. Rogue Squadron
42. Tetrisphere
43. Battle For Naboo
44. Space Station Silicon Valley
45. Dr Mario 64
46. Buck Bumble
47. Hydro Thunder
48. Vigilante 8
49. Vigilante 8: Second Offence
50. F-1 World Grand Prix
51. Mortal Kombat 4
52. Starcraft
53. Mario Party series
54. Worms Amageddon
55. Operation Winback
56. Mystical Ninja 64
57. Goemon's Great Adventure
58. Roadsters
59. Rakuga Kids
60. Micro Machines 64 Turbo
61. Glover
62. Puyo Puyo Sun
63. Rush 2049
64. Army Men: Air Combat
65. Wetrix
66. Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness
67. Donkey Kong 64
68. Bust A Move 3
69. World Driver Championship
70. Bangai-O
71. Wipeout 64
72. The World is Not Enough
73. GoldenEye
74. Perfect Dark
75. Beetle Adventure Racing
76. Jet Force Gemini
77. Pilotwings
78. Mario Tennis
79. Mischief Makers
80. Shadow Man
81. Spider-Man
82. Body Harvest
83. Kirby 64
84. Excite Bike 64
85. Ogre Battle 64
86. Tony Hawks 1
87. Tony Hawks 2
88. Tony Hawks 3
89. Mario Kart 64
90. Ridge Racer 64
91. S.C.A.R.S
92. Stunt Racer 64
93. Blast Corps
94. 1080
95. Paper Mario
96. Sin and Punishment
97. Mario 64
98. Conker's Bad Fur Day
99. Bomberman 64
100. Sasume Puzzle Dama
101. No Mercy
102. ISS Series
103. NBA Courtside series
104. All Star Baseball series
105. EA Sports stuff etc

If you split up some of the better sports series' you could probably get to over 120, there are also other games which I haven't played that have fans, such as Lode Runner 64, and Robotron 64.