Nintendo software update reveals a stance against gay marriage?

http://kotaku.com/rumor-nintendo-ending-gay-marriage-bug-in-popular-game-504266729

There's a, uhm, "game" on the 3DS called Tomodachi Collection: New Life, which apparently focuses on Miis having relationships and getting married (whatever). Although that game does not feature homosexual couples, it has a bug which allows two male Miis to get married. Nintendo is apparently going to correct that bug via a software update. So far nothing strange, but the press release in which they detailed that patch smells a little fishy. It contains the folowing line among the bug fixes:

Ningen kankei ga okashiku naru, which roughly translates to "Human relations that become strange"

The word rendered as "strange" (okashiku) can also be translated as "crazy", "wrong" and "amusing" which of course makes the meaning of the sentence a bit unclear.

So... does this mean Nintendo might have labeled homosexual relationships as "wrong"? What do you guys think?

So... does this mean Nintendo might have labeled homosexual relationships as "wrong"? What do you guys think?

Black_Knight_00

What's the typical Japanese stance on homosexual marriage?

What's the typical Japanese stance on homosexual marriage?

IndianaPwns39

[QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

What's the typical Japanese stance on homosexual marriage?

Black_Knight_00

I also honestly doubt Nintendo even has something against gay marriage or relationships, considering Sims games (yes, they're by EA, but once you consider Ninty's history with censorship, which is to say is a VERY weird one) on the GameCube let you have homosexual relationships and partnerships though that could be just NOA and NOE having slightly different rules (as the game they are patching is only in Japan).

Another thing to note, it's supposed to be a game for KIDS!

Well technically, if the game is doing something it's not supposed to be doing, then it is wrong, whether that pertains to running an incorrect routine or whatever. 

In Engish, gay is also used to describe excessive mirth or joy, and believe me, I have met plenty of pissy, unhappy gay people to tell you that that descriptor is not entirely accurate. 

My take? It's just a word. I don't see it as being offensive in the least, and I think these days people are too quick to try and witchhunt anything that even remotely comes across as not being one hundred percent tolerant of gays, which actually slows people from becoming more tolerant. 

tolerant of gaysShame-usBlackley

Well technically, if the game is doing something it's not supposed to be doing, then it is wrong, whether that pertains to running an incorrect routine or whatever.Shame-usBlackley

I don't know all that much about this game, but after reading up on it my understanding is that the main problem wasn't really the fact that there were unintended gay weddings. The problem was that after people did gay weddings it would trigger a bunch of other gamebreaking bugs & getting rid of the gay marriage "bug" was the easiest way to fix that.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]Well technically, if the game is doing something it's not supposed to be doing, then it is wrong, whether that pertains to running an incorrect routine or whatever.JML897

I don't know all that much about this game, but after reading up on it my understanding is that the main problem wasn't really the fact that there were unintended gay weddings. The problem was that after people did gay weddings it would trigger a bunch of other gamebreaking bugs & getting rid of the gay marriage "bug" was the easiest way to fix that.

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]Well technically, if the game is doing something it's not supposed to be doing, then it is wrong, whether that pertains to running an incorrect routine or whatever.CarnageHeart

I don't know all that much about this game, but after reading up on it my understanding is that the main problem wasn't really the fact that there were unintended gay weddings. The problem was that after people did gay weddings it would trigger a bunch of other gamebreaking bugs & getting rid of the gay marriage "bug" was the easiest way to fix that.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]tolerant of gaysBlack_Knight_00

It's not a matter of moral superiority. Some people just don't like the gay lifestyle. And there's nothing wrong with that, nor is there any law stating they must. In YOUR view there is nothing wrong with that lifestyle, but to others it is not okay. Hell, our president was against gay marriage for nearly his entire first term in office. Since then, he has become more tolerant of the lifestyle. I don't think gay people owe anyone an apology for their lifestyle, nor do I believe people who are against it who (yes) tolerate it, should be browbeaten for it. It's not an easy, 100 percent support/100 percent against issue.

And moral superiority works both ways, doesn't it? Just as you suppose that a straight person tolerating the gay lifestyle is some form of superiority, so too could it be interpreted that being told you have to accept the lifestyle of another group of people is a form of superiority as well. I think honestly, people should just go back to saying, "It's none of my business who you fvck" and just leave it alone. A straight person who acts like an assh0le is still an assh0le just as much as a gay person who acts like an assh0le is still an assh0le. In fact, MOST people are assh0les, I don't care what their sexual prefereces are. 

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]tolerant of gaysShame-usBlackley

It's not a matter of moral superiority. Some people just don't like the gay lifestyle. And there's nothing wrong with that, nor is there any law stating they must. In YOUR view there is nothing wrong with that lifestyle, but to others it is not okay. Hell, our president was against gay marriage for nearly his entire first term in office. Since then, he has become more tolerant of the lifestyle. I don't think gay people owe anyone an apology for their lifestyle, nor do I believe people who are against it who (yes) tolerate it, should be browbeaten for it. It's not an easy, 100 percent support/100 percent against issue.

And moral superiority works both ways, doesn't it? Just as you suppose that a straight person tolerating the gay lifestyle is some form of superiority, so too could it be interpreted that being told you have to accept the lifestyle of another group of people is a form of superiority as well. I think honestly, people should just go back to saying, "It's none of my business who you fvck" and just leave it alone. A straight person who acts like an assh0le is still an assh0le just as much as a gay person who acts like an assh0le is still an assh0le. In fact, MOST people are assh0les, I don't care what their sexual prefereces are. 

I imagine its less hateful than it could be interpreted. 

Although if there's any culture that should look at themselves if condemning a certain sexuality, its Japan....

Ningen kankei ga okashiku naru

Black_Knight_00

I don't think they're "against" gay marriage, as another user said, they're probably just covering their asses. Even so, if they were, who cares? They still make good games.  Last time I checked, people were still allowed to have opinions, even if they're viewed as "wrong" by many people.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] Speaking in general terms, that's another expression that's very common but essentially wrong: "gay tolerace" Just because I'm a straight man I don't feel like I should feel superior to homosexuals so that I'm "tolerating" their sexuality they have no control over. There's nothing to tolerate because there's nothing morally wrong about it. I know what you meant by the way, I was making a general remark on the expression.Black_Knight_00

It's not a matter of moral superiority. Some people just don't like the gay lifestyle. And there's nothing wrong with that, nor is there any law stating they must. In YOUR view there is nothing wrong with that lifestyle, but to others it is not okay. Hell, our president was against gay marriage for nearly his entire first term in office. Since then, he has become more tolerant of the lifestyle. I don't think gay people owe anyone an apology for their lifestyle, nor do I believe people who are against it who (yes) tolerate it, should be browbeaten for it. It's not an easy, 100 percent support/100 percent against issue.

And moral superiority works both ways, doesn't it? Just as you suppose that a straight person tolerating the gay lifestyle is some form of superiority, so too could it be interpreted that being told you have to accept the lifestyle of another group of people is a form of superiority as well. I think honestly, people should just go back to saying, "It's none of my business who you fvck" and just leave it alone. A straight person who acts like an assh0le is still an assh0le just as much as a gay person who acts like an assh0le is still an assh0le. In fact, MOST people are assh0les, I don't care what their sexual prefereces are. 

You bring up valid points, but the fact of the matter is that people can still think how they want. Nothing anyone says will change that.

I don't think they're "against" gay marriage, as another user said....

turtlethetaffer

How could you understand what I wrote and make a comment like that?

Honestly, who really cares at this point? Let em fix the stupid bug. If they REALLY wanted to take a stand FOR gay marriage, the gay couples thing would've been there from the start, hence a paranoid idiot can make the argument that Nintendo is automatically AGAINST gay marriage simply because gay couples weren't programmed into the game during its development. And really, what is this game and who outside of like 6 people are ever even going to play it?

People are way too paranoid about what individuals in businesses think of sociological issues that have NOTHING to do with the products or services they are producing and selling. If one lead designer or CEO of the company says they are against something, that is ONE person out of the perhaps thousands that work for the company and actually make it function, hence it's not the opinion of the entire company. I'm a Christian, and if a Sony exec came out tomorrow saying that he follows the church of Satan, I think there is a 99.9% chance that I'll still buy PS3 games and a PS4. I just think people have way too much time on their hands these days.

Honestly, who really cares at this point? Let em fix the stupid bug. If they REALLY wanted to take a stand FOR gay marriage, the gay couples thing would've been there from the start, hence a paranoid idiot can make the argument that Nintendo is automatically AGAINST gay marriage simply because gay couples weren't programmed into the game during its development. And really, what is this game and who outside of like 6 people are ever even going to play it?

People are way too paranoid about what individuals in businesses think of sociological issues that have NOTHING to do with the products or services they are producing and selling. If one lead designer or CEO of the company says they are against something, that is ONE person out of the perhaps thousands that work for the company and actually make it function, hence it's not the opinion of the entire company. I'm a Christian, and if a Sony exec came out tomorrow saying that he follows the church of Satan, I think there is a 99.9% chance that I'll still buy PS3 games and a PS4. I just think people have way too much time on their hands these days.

metalgrinch

We all know what a raging success Ninentdo is with the Wii U.  Nintendo's fundamental problem is that it represents the worst of the Japanese management style, and this is just another example of that.  Unfortunatley, too much of what gets posted in these forums when it comes to issues of diversity, particularly involving sexism or heterosexism, just reinforces the worst stereotypes of the average gamer.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]

Ningen kankei ga okashiku naru

capaho

Good for them.

Good for them.

Bigboi500

How is that good?

I instantly thought of the boxart for Super Mario Galaxy, where the stars are on the letters URMRGAY

Clearly this is all part of Nintendo's anti-gay agenda.

So what? Does everyone HAVE to be pro gay marriage?

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Good for them.

capaho

How is that good?

So what? Does everyone HAVE to be pro gay marriage?

UpInFlames

The problem is that a lot of people are still convinced homosexuality is a perversion, matter of personal taste instead of someting you're born with.

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

So what? Does everyone HAVE to be pro gay marriage?

Black_Knight_00

The problem is that a lot of people are still convinced homosexuality is a perversion, matter of personal taste instead of someting you're born with.

So what? Does everyone HAVE to be pro gay marriage?

UpInFlames

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

I don't think they're "against" gay marriage, as another user said....

capaho

How could you understand what I wrote and make a comment like that?

He probably didn't read your post.

I wasn't aware of the issues you alluded to either until I read your post and looked up a few articles.

Americans often tend to think of Japan as a progressive society but clearly they have their own struggles and they most certainly seem to be far behind the curve as it relates to equal rights for homosexuals. (And honestly, America's own progress is embarrassingly slow)

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

So what? Does everyone HAVE to be pro gay marriage?

Stinger78

The problem is that a lot of people are still convinced homosexuality is a perversion, matter of personal taste instead of someting you're born with.

[QUOTE="capaho"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Good for them.

Bigboi500

How is that good?

So you think institutionalized bigotry and discrimination are OK in other countries?  Does that mean you also support the Taliban because violent oppression is their tribal tradition?  Human rights are not justifiably mitigated based on geographic location.

You bring up valid points, but the fact of the matter is that people can still think how they want. Nothing anyone says will change that.turtlethetaffer

[QUOTE="Stinger78"][QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] Eventually, yeah. Society has a way to evolve out of religious bigotry.

The problem is that a lot of people are still convinced homosexuality is a perversion, matter of personal taste instead of someting you're born with.

Black_Knight_00

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

So what? Does everyone HAVE to be pro gay marriage?

Stinger78

The problem is that a lot of people are still convinced homosexuality is a perversion, matter of personal taste instead of someting you're born with.

Clearly any sexual act between two consenting adults is choice.

As for sexual orientation, all the evidence points to it being predetermined at a genetic level, thus people don't generally choose to be gay but rather are born as such.

There's also copious evidence to suggest many people have sexual predilections that swing to both sides, defying these rudimentary classifications entirely.

So when two men engage in sex, that is a choice. However, the compulsion and arousal that drives them into each other's embrace is not a choice.

Human rights are not justifiably mitigated based on geographic location.capaho

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[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

So what? Does everyone HAVE to be pro gay marriage?

Stinger78

The problem is that a lot of people are still convinced homosexuality is a perversion, matter of personal taste instead of someting you're born with.

It shouldn't be an issue, then, if Miis don't have a gender.  The problem, however, is that the Nintendo statement makes it rather clear that they don't want to be seen as making a game that appears to support gay marriage because such a concept is too strange for ordinary people.  It is essentially an anti-gay statement.

So what? Does everyone HAVE to be pro gay marriage?

UpInFlames

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] Speaking in general terms, that's another expression that's very common but essentially wrong: "gay tolerace" Just because I'm a straight man I don't feel like I should feel superior to homosexuals so that I'm "tolerating" their sexuality they have no control over. There's nothing to tolerate because there's nothing morally wrong about it. I know what you meant by the way, I was making a general remark on the expression.Black_Knight_00

It's not a matter of moral superiority. Some people just don't like the gay lifestyle. And there's nothing wrong with that, nor is there any law stating they must. In YOUR view there is nothing wrong with that lifestyle, but to others it is not okay. Hell, our president was against gay marriage for nearly his entire first term in office. Since then, he has become more tolerant of the lifestyle. I don't think gay people owe anyone an apology for their lifestyle, nor do I believe people who are against it who (yes) tolerate it, should be browbeaten for it. It's not an easy, 100 percent support/100 percent against issue.

And moral superiority works both ways, doesn't it? Just as you suppose that a straight person tolerating the gay lifestyle is some form of superiority, so too could it be interpreted that being told you have to accept the lifestyle of another group of people is a form of superiority as well. I think honestly, people should just go back to saying, "It's none of my business who you fvck" and just leave it alone. A straight person who acts like an assh0le is still an assh0le just as much as a gay person who acts like an assh0le is still an assh0le. In fact, MOST people are assh0les, I don't care what their sexual prefereces are.

That's a bunch of supposition on your part being stated as fact. While scientists believe that a gay gene is possible, there has been nothing definitive as yet.

Setting aside the fact that I have two close friends who are lesbians and currently cannot get married, the issue of gay rights should be crystal clear to anyone who purports to advocate the notion of liberty and individual freedom.

True freedom only exists when every single human being within a society enjoys the full measure of equity under the law. Anything short of that gold standard actually creates a facade of freedom that, ironically, acts as a conduit for widespread oppression and inequality and subsequently renders a society weaker and more fragmented.

Its feeling real OT up in here....

Also, it seems to me like Kotaku is taking something, twisting it, then blowing it out of proportion for hits again. Oh Kotaku!

Its feeling real OT up in here....

Also, it seems to me like Kotaku is taking something, twisting it, then blowing it out of proportion for hits again. Oh Kotaku!

Lucky_Krystal

Setting aside the fact that I have two close friends who are lesbians and currently cannot get married, the issue of gay rights should be crystal clear to anyone who purports to advocate the notion of liberty and individual freedom.

True freedom only exists when every single human being within a society enjoys the full measure of equity under the law. Anything short of that gold standard actually creates a facade of freedom that, ironically, acts as a conduit for widespread oppression and inequality and subsequently renders a society weaker and more fragmented.

Grammaton-Cleric

That's a bunch of supposition on your part being stated as fact. While scientists believe that a gay gene is possible, there has been nothing definitive as yet.Shame-usBlackley

You're trying to say I said something I didn't, so I'll go further and say that sex is a choice. Who with and how it's done just takes that choice one step further. I would argue that there is a difference between feelings, urges and ultimately actions taken. I leave choices up to the individual.Stinger78

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

So what? Does everyone HAVE to be pro gay marriage?

RandoIphF

Please spare me the dramatics. Just because someone is not PRO doesn't necessarily mean they are opposed to something. My girlfriend has two gay friends that are actually a couple and we hang out with them and I treat them and talk to them as I would with anyone else. It's none of my business what they do in private nor do I judge them because of it. I am not opposed to gay marriage. I have no intention of protesting gay rights. Am I PRO gay marriage? Am I going to rally in the streets for the cause? No, not really.

I am perfectly comfortable with my views. At least they are honest and not conditioned by automatic politically correct bullshit.

Please spare me the dramatics. Just because someone is not PRO doesn't necessarily mean they are opposed to something. My girlfriend has two gay friends that are actually a couple and we hang out with them and I treat them and talk to them as I would with anyone else. It's none of my business what they do in private nor do I judge them because of it. I am not opposed to gay marriage. I have no intention of protesting gay rights. Am I PRO gay marriage? Am I going to rally in the streets for the cause? No, not really.

I am perfectly comfortable with my views. At least they are honest and not conditioned by automatic politically correct bullshit.UpInFlames

How can Nintendo be against the gays when the face of the company has the gayest moustache ever?

How can Nintendo be against the gays when the face of the company has the gayest moustache ever?

Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]Please spare me the dramatics. Just because someone is not PRO doesn't necessarily mean they are opposed to something. My girlfriend has two gay friends that are actually a couple and we hang out with them and I treat them and talk to them as I would with anyone else. It's none of my business what they do in private nor do I judge them because of it. I am not opposed to gay marriage. I have no intention of protesting gay rights. Am I PRO gay marriage? Am I going to rally in the streets for the cause? No, not really.

I am perfectly comfortable with my views. At least they are honest and not conditioned by automatic politically correct bullshit.RandoIphF

No, I'm saying that it isn't quite that simple. It rarely is.

Just like this thread showcased, people can get wrongfully branded as bigots or racists just because they're not waving the flag and yelling how they're all for it from the top of their lungs.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

I don't think they're "against" gay marriage, as another user said....

capaho

How could you understand what I wrote and make a comment like that?

I was reffering to nintendoboy16, not you, buddy.