No Final Fantasy games for Xbox 360

Another person talking total mis-information? Do you have sales figures? You realise FF games sell extremely well in   north america?  Why do people post BS like fact when they do no even know the facts?

spiltmilk

I wouldn't be surprised to see it move platforms if Final Fantasy fails to sell terribly well in either Europe or America. If it's only Japan that the title has problems in, well, moving the game to the 360 won't solve anything.

They've traditionally had the Final Fantasy games on the console of the market leader. Oilers99

Where did Oilers say anything about FF games not selling well in NA?:? Sounds more like he's illustrating his predictions on how FF XIII would fare in non-Japanese markets if it remained a PS3 excluisve while downplaying the effect of its port to the X360 in Japan as the X360 is performing poorly in sales in the Japanese market. 

[QUOTE="dvader654"] But of course its on the 360 so people just like it better.MarcusAntonius

If we could keep the MS bashing down to a minimum, that would be just dandy.

As far as your other snippy comment about "this thread is going just as I thought" or whatever, I'm not sure you're being realistic about the modern state of SE. Downplaying the effect of SE this gen is toally legit. You know I'm a huge RPG gamer and I honestly have no interest in playing FF XII until it becomes a "Greatest Hits" addition despite its lofty (read: fluff) ratings.

I already got burned by FF X, Valkyrie Profile 2, Star Ocean 3, and the rest of SE's non-FF games this past gen were fairly nondescript (argueably one could say the same thing about FF X). Is it any wonder why many gamers are rapidly considering SE, the EA Games of RPG developers? No wonder these guys are trying so hard to live off of their past.

The RPG community has every reason to take a "I'll believe it when I see it" approach to The Last Remanant. I'm not saying that Blue Dragon and Lost Odessey should be given a free pass in that regard, but your comment about how they look like generic RPGs comes off as someone who's trying a wee bit too hard to slam anything MS releated, especially with Lost Odessey.

You know, just for the record, I'm starting to think you believe you're the only one who has your finger on the pulse of the "RPG community."  If you could give me a good reason why the "community has every reason to take a 'I'll believe it when I see it' approach to The Last Remnant," I'd appreciate it.  And I'm not asking for your own personal views, either. 

If you could give me a good reason why the "community has every reason to take a 'I'll believe it when I see it' approach to The Last Remnant," I'd appreciate it.  And I'm not asking for your own personal views, either. 

fathoms_basic

By the way, if you could give me a reason to blindly pay up for a game that we hardly know anything about, I'd appreciate it, and I'm not asking for your own personal views, either.

I'm speaking as a consumer Fathoms. But hey, if you're entirely sold on a game based on a handful of screenshots and a couple paragraphs highlighting the game's premises, more power to you. You're more decisive than I am I suppose. Perhaps I shouldn't speak for other gamers, but I'd think most of us would like to see some actual gameplay and read a few "hands on" reports before considering a purchase.

From your reaction I suppose that Square Enix is somehow beyond reproach or any scrutiny whatsoever? Or am I reading to much into your question?

[QUOTE="fathoms_basic"]

If you could give me a good reason why the "community has every reason to take a 'I'll believe it when I see it' approach to The Last Remnant," I'd appreciate it. And I'm not asking for your own personal views, either.

MarcusAntonius

By the way, if you could give me a reason to blindly pay up for a game that we hardly know anything about, I'd appreciate it, and I'm not asking for your own personal views, either.

Pay?  What are you talking about?  Who said you had to buy it?  You said the "community has every reason to take a 'I'll believe it when I see it' approach."  I wanted to know why...what you said here isn't even remotely relevant.

I'm speaking as a consumer Fathoms. But hey, if you're entirely sold on a game based on a handful of screenshots and a couple paragraphs highlighting the game's premises, more power to you. You're more decisive than I am I suppose. Perhaps I shouldn't speak for other gamers, but I'd think most of us would like to see some actual gameplay and read a few "hands on" reports before considering a purchase.

I'm not sold on anything.  I never said I was.  I never even implied I was.  I asked a simple question, which you have yet to actually answer.

From your reaction I suppose that Square Enix is somehow beyond reproach or any scrutiny whatsoever? Or am I reading to much into your question?

Am I reading too much into your constant and apparently never-ending crusade against Square-Enix?  Or that I believe the elitist "if it sells a lot, it can't be as good as the RPGs for the 'hardcore'" theory is BS?  And please remember to answer without twisting the question onto me.  You  have no idea what I think about The Last Remnant or S-E because I haven't told you yet, so don't bother making assumptions.  I'm just interested in that one comment.  Why should the RPG community approach The Last Remnant with a "I'll believe it when I see it" approach?

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

[QUOTE="fathoms_basic"]

If you could give me a good reason why the "community has every reason to take a 'I'll believe it when I see it' approach to The Last Remnant," I'd appreciate it. And I'm not asking for your own personal views, either.

fathoms_basic

By the way, if you could give me a reason to blindly pay up for a game that we hardly know anything about, I'd appreciate it, and I'm not asking for your own personal views, either.

Pay?  What are you talking about?  Who said you had to buy it?  You said the "community has every reason to take a 'I'll believe it when I see it' approach."  I wanted to know why...what you said here isn't even remotely relevant.

I'm speaking as a consumer Fathoms. But hey, if you're entirely sold on a game based on a handful of screenshots and a couple paragraphs highlighting the game's premises, more power to you. You're more decisive than I am I suppose. Perhaps I shouldn't speak for other gamers, but I'd think most of us would like to see some actual gameplay and read a few "hands on" reports before considering a purchase.

I'm not sold on anything.  I never said I was.  I never even implied I was.  I asked a simple question, which you have yet to actually answer.

From your reaction I suppose that Square Enix is somehow beyond reproach or any scrutiny whatsoever? Or am I reading to much into your question?

Am I reading too much into your constant and apparently never-ending crusade against Square-Enix?  Or that I believe the elitist "if it sells a lot, it can't be as good as the RPGs for the 'hardcore'" theory is BS?  And please remember to answer without twisting the question onto me.  You  have no idea what I think about The Last Remnant or S-E because I haven't told you yet, so don't bother making assumptions.  I'm just interested in that one comment.  Why should the RPG community approach The Last Remnant with a "I'll believe it when I see it" approach?

I do believe I answered your question.

As far as that last paragraph, what does that have to do with anything? What "never-ending crusade" do I have against SE anyways? I'm just not thirilled with their run for the past couple years, their games just haven't been what they could have been.

How does any of this translate into your "hardcore" bit?:? Seriously, where did you get this mess from?

[QUOTE="spiltmilk"]

Another person talking total mis-information? Do you have sales figures? You realise FF games sell extremely well in north america? Why do people post BS like fact when they do no even know the facts?

MarcusAntonius

I wouldn't be surprised to see it move platforms if Final Fantasy fails to sell terribly well in either Europe or America. If it's only Japan that the title has problems in, well, moving the game to the 360 won't solve anything.

They've traditionally had the Final Fantasy games on the console of the market leader. Oilers99

Where did Oilers say anything about FF games not selling well in NA?:? Sounds more like he's illustrating his predictions on how FF XIII would fare in non-Japanese markets if it remained a PS3 excluisve while downplaying the effect of its port to the X360 in Japan as the X360 is performing poorly in sales in the Japanese market.

Or how the FF Series is lacking the power it once had...FFXII in Japan turned out to be the worst selling one since IV. Worldwide it is last place(A bit behind X2...Not a goiod sign). And might we add...This was always on the dominate or leading system. Always on the RPG system of choice. Always on the same system as Dragon Quest. This time around...About all the support it is looking to get is from White Knight. 

Not to mention...Lets add in how the market formerly was pretty much Consules mean JRPG. Now JRPGs have Western Competition and MMO competition. Or how the FF series since it became was always the first big RPG. It started the party normally. This time...It is about a year behind atleast.

See...You said the word. Traditionally FF was the worldwide leader. The problem is unlike any other Gen before...This is not a traditional one.  

[QUOTE="fathoms_basic"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

[QUOTE="fathoms_basic"]

If you could give me a good reason why the "community has every reason to take a 'I'll believe it when I see it' approach to The Last Remnant," I'd appreciate it. And I'm not asking for your own personal views, either.

MarcusAntonius

By the way, if you could give me a reason to blindly pay up for a game that we hardly know anything about, I'd appreciate it, and I'm not asking for your own personal views, either.

Pay? What are you talking about? Who said you had to buy it? You said the "community has every reason to take a 'I'll believe it when I see it' approach." I wanted to know why...what you said here isn't even remotely relevant.

I'm speaking as a consumer Fathoms. But hey, if you're entirely sold on a game based on a handful of screenshots and a couple paragraphs highlighting the game's premises, more power to you. You're more decisive than I am I suppose. Perhaps I shouldn't speak for other gamers, but I'd think most of us would like to see some actual gameplay and read a few "hands on" reports before considering a purchase.

I'm not sold on anything. I never said I was. I never even implied I was. I asked a simple question, which you have yet to actually answer.

From your reaction I suppose that Square Enix is somehow beyond reproach or any scrutiny whatsoever? Or am I reading to much into your question?

Am I reading too much into your constant and apparently never-ending crusade against Square-Enix? Or that I believe the elitist "if it sells a lot, it can't be as good as the RPGs for the 'hardcore'" theory is BS? And please remember to answer without twisting the question onto me. You have no idea what I think about The Last Remnant or S-E because I haven't told you yet, so don't bother making assumptions. I'm just interested in that one comment. Why should the RPG community approach The Last Remnant with a "I'll believe it when I see it" approach?

I do believe I answered your question.

As far as that last paragraph, what does that have to do with anything? What "never-ending crusade" do I have against SE anyways? I'm just not thirilled with their run for the past couple years, their games just haven't been what they could have been.

How does any of this translate into your "hardcore" bit?:? Seriously, where did you get this mess from?

No, you didn't answer it. Every gamer with half a brain does what you describe in bold. That does NOT answer my question. Your comment implies that we shouldn't expect much from Square-Enix; that's the impression one gets when reading "I'll believe it when I see it."  And I wanted to know why, outside of your own opinions. I say outside of your opinions because you were referring to the "RPG community." Is it really that difficult?

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"][QUOTE="fathoms_basic"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

[QUOTE="fathoms_basic"]

If you could give me a good reason why the "community has every reason to take a 'I'll believe it when I see it' approach to The Last Remnant," I'd appreciate it. And I'm not asking for your own personal views, either.

fathoms_basic

By the way, if you could give me a reason to blindly pay up for a game that we hardly know anything about, I'd appreciate it, and I'm not asking for your own personal views, either.

Pay? What are you talking about? Who said you had to buy it? You said the "community has every reason to take a 'I'll believe it when I see it' approach." I wanted to know why...what you said here isn't even remotely relevant.

I'm speaking as a consumerFathoms. But hey, if you're entirely sold on a game based on a handful of screenshots and a couple paragraphs highlighting the game's premises, more power to you. You're more decisive than I am I suppose. Perhaps I shouldn't speak for other gamers, but I'd think most of us would like to see some actual gameplay and read a few "hands on" reports before considering a purchase.

I'm not sold on anything. I never said I was. I never even implied I was. I asked a simple question, which you have yet to actually answer.

From your reaction I suppose that Square Enix is somehow beyond reproach or any scrutiny whatsoever? Or am I reading to much into your question?

Am I reading too much into your constant and apparently never-ending crusade against Square-Enix? Or that I believe the elitist "if it sells a lot, it can't be as good as the RPGs for the 'hardcore'" theory is BS? And please remember to answer without twisting the question onto me. You have no idea what I think about The Last Remnant or S-E because I haven't told you yet, so don't bother making assumptions. I'm just interested in that one comment. Why should the RPG community approach The Last Remnant with a "I'll believe it when I see it" approach?

I do believe I answered your question.

As far as that last paragraph, what does that have to do with anything? What "never-ending crusade" do I have against SE anyways? I'm just not thirilled with their run for the past couple years, their games just haven't been what they could have been.

How does any of this translate into your "hardcore" bit?:? Seriously, where did you get this mess from?

No, you didn't answer it. Every gamer with half a brain does what you describe in bold. That does NOT answer my question. Your comment implies that we shouldn't expect much from Square-Enix; that's the impression one gets when reading "I'll believe it when I see it."  And I wanted to know why, outside of your own opinions. I say outside of your opinions because you were referring to the "RPG community." Is it really that difficult?

If I'm having to explain it all, then I'm guessing you haven't read some of the other posts this thread including some titles that I already named off that are outside the FF series. What other mystical sign are you waiting for? I gave my own opinion. So whatever.

Its widely held that SE has a had quite a few mediocre entries last gen outside the FF universe. Hence the skepticism over The Last Remnant and I'm not the only one who has expressed that sentiment in this very thread.

If you don't agree, well great, then use that as an opportunity to express your opinion about the damn game. Otherwise, you sound like you're just trying to start some crap.

[QUOTE="fathoms_basic"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"][QUOTE="fathoms_basic"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

[QUOTE="fathoms_basic"]

If you could give me a good reason why the "community has every reason to take a 'I'll believe it when I see it' approach to The Last Remnant," I'd appreciate it. And I'm not asking for your own personal views, either.

MarcusAntonius

By the way, if you could give me a reason to blindly pay up for a game that we hardly know anything about, I'd appreciate it, and I'm not asking for your own personal views, either.

Pay? What are you talking about? Who said you had to buy it? You said the "community has every reason to take a 'I'll believe it when I see it' approach." I wanted to know why...what you said here isn't even remotely relevant.

I'm speaking as a consumerFathoms. But hey, if you're entirely sold on a game based on a handful of screenshots and a couple paragraphs highlighting the game's premises, more power to you. You're more decisive than I am I suppose. Perhaps I shouldn't speak for other gamers, but I'd think most of us would like to see some actual gameplay and read a few "hands on" reports before considering a purchase.

I'm not sold on anything. I never said I was. I never even implied I was. I asked a simple question, which you have yet to actually answer.

From your reaction I suppose that Square Enix is somehow beyond reproach or any scrutiny whatsoever? Or am I reading to much into your question?

Am I reading too much into your constant and apparently never-ending crusade against Square-Enix? Or that I believe the elitist "if it sells a lot, it can't be as good as the RPGs for the 'hardcore'" theory is BS? And please remember to answer without twisting the question onto me. You have no idea what I think about The Last Remnant or S-E because I haven't told you yet, so don't bother making assumptions. I'm just interested in that one comment. Why should the RPG community approach The Last Remnant with a "I'll believe it when I see it" approach?

I do believe I answered your question.

As far as that last paragraph, what does that have to do with anything? What "never-ending crusade" do I have against SE anyways? I'm just not thirilled with their run for the past couple years, their games just haven't been what they could have been.

How does any of this translate into your "hardcore" bit?:? Seriously, where did you get this mess from?

No, you didn't answer it. Every gamer with half a brain does what you describe in bold. That does NOT answer my question. Your comment implies that we shouldn't expect much from Square-Enix; that's the impression one gets when reading "I'll believe it when I see it." And I wanted to know why, outside of your own opinions. I say outside of your opinions because you were referring to the "RPG community." Is it really that difficult?

If I'm having to explain it all, then I'm guessing you haven't read some of the other posts this thread including some titles that I already named off that are outside the FF series. What other mystical sign are you waiting for? I gave my own opinion. So whatever.

Its widely held that SE has a had quite a few mediocre entries last gen outside the FF universe. Hence the skepticism over The Last Remnant and I'm not the only one who has expressed that sentiment in this very thread.

If you don't agree, well great, then use that as an opportunity to express your opinion about the damn game. Otherwise, you sound like you're just trying to start some crap.

I'm not the one who thinks he can speak for the "RPG community."  That was my only problem.  You can have your own opinion, but you make it sound as if all RPG gamers are immediately approaching The Last Remnant with skepticism, which I think is pretty inaccurate.  I don't really care about separating FF games and non-FF games; the same developer is the same developer.  Of course there have been a few mediocre S-E games the last generation, but there were several of those even during Square's hey-day during the PS1 generation.  Track records are big indicators, of course, and based on what they've produced in the past, I see absolutely no reason to adopt an "I'll see it when I believe it" mentality.

I think YOU think the RPG community thinks that, just because you clearly have a little something against FF and S-E in general.  And that is precisely my issue.  That's all. 

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"][QUOTE="spiltmilk"]

Another person talking total mis-information? Do you have sales figures? You realise FF games sell extremely well in north america? Why do people post BS like fact when they do no even know the facts?

Acenso

I wouldn't be surprised to see it move platforms if Final Fantasy fails to sell terribly well in either Europe or America. If it's only Japan that the title has problems in, well, moving the game to the 360 won't solve anything.

They've traditionally had the Final Fantasy games on the console of the market leader. Oilers99

Where did Oilers say anything about FF games not selling well in NA?:? Sounds more like he's illustrating his predictions on how FF XIII would fare in non-Japanese markets if it remained a PS3 excluisve while downplaying the effect of its port to the X360 in Japan as the X360 is performing poorly in sales in the Japanese market.

Or how the FF Series is lacking the power it once had...FFXII in Japan turned out to be the worst selling one since IV. Worldwide it is last place(A bit behind X2...Not a goiod sign). And might we add...This was always on the dominate or leading system. Always on the RPG system of choice. Always on the same system as Dragon Quest. This time around...About all the support it is looking to get is from White Knight. 

Not to mention...Lets add in how the market formerly was pretty much Consules mean JRPG. Now JRPGs have Western Competition and MMO competition. Or how the FF series since it became was always the first big RPG. It started the party normally. This time...It is about a year behind atleast.

See...You said the word. Traditionally FF was the worldwide leader. The problem is unlike any other Gen before...This is not a traditional one.  

Japan has been shrinking as a market for conventional games (including rpgs).  Look at the sales of DQ8, it sold four million copies whereas its predecessor sold 7 million.  On a related note, I don't think Matsuno (who loved complexity, at least up until recently) was a good guy to hand the franchise off to in light of Japan's trending in the opposite direction.  I agree with you that Squenix is the odd man out in terms of rpg support for the PS3.  Squenix not making plans to port it to the X360 is more than a little surprising.  No jrpg has put up big numbers, but no remotely decent jrpg has hit yet and Western X360 fans have been very receptive to quality Japanese games.

Can somebody explain to me who is developing Blue Dragon and Lost odyssey? Square Enix or Mistwalker?

Also I see alot of people saying things like FF went down the drain after FFVII or that FFXII was the worst one yet, Explain to me also how FF8, 9 and 10, when just released, could have been ANY BETTER than they were? or better yet give me a game that is better than it for its era. As for FFXII you may not like the battle system or the story but its THE highest caliber RPG Ive seen yet. But humans dislike change and just because its not a carbon copy of any other FF that they loved, they hate it.

Can somebody explain to me who is developing Blue Dragon and Lost odyssey? Square Enix or Mistwalker?

Also I see alot of people saying things like FF went down the drain after FFVII or that FFXII was the worst one yet, Explain to me also how FF8, 9 and 10, when just released, could have been ANY BETTER than they were? or better yet give me a game that is better than it for its era. As for FFXII you may not like the battle system or the story but its THE highest caliber RPG Ive seen yet. But humans dislike change and just because its not a carbon copy of any other FF that they loved, they hate it.

nexusprime

In regards to FFXII, my main gripe with the game was less about the battle system, and more on how the character development system made it far too easy to make characters all have the same base functionality, and since a lot of characters start off with relatively close base skills, developing characters wasn't as initially separated and distinctive, as it was in FFX, for example. 

What made me upset was how when they formed the re-release of FFXII for Japan, they implemented the Zodiac Job System, which took the LB system, and broke it apart so you, IIRC, assigned a character to a job at the beginning of the game more or less, and then that character is stuck with that job the rest of the way through, with a custom license board to work through that was different than other jobs.

Personally, I've always wanted to see some sort of hybrid East/West development system, where they took the concept of either the Sphere Grid or License board, and combined it with the class/prestige class style of approach found in the D&D 3.5 ruleset.  It'd be a bit interesting, but would give a neat combination of openness and restrictions to allow for multiple styles of characters to be built for different playthrus and purposes.

Square-Enix has nothing to do with Lost Odyssey or Blue Dragon, period, that's at least my understanding of the situation.Skylock00

[QUOTE="Skylock00"]Square-Enix has nothing to do with Lost Odyssey or Blue Dragon, period, that's at least my understanding of the situation.nexusprime

I'd guess its because of the shared heritage, Sakaguchi being the most visible one. But they technically have no direct relation at all.

Hey, here is some clarification on the original story. Hopefully this will stop some of the fighting. :P

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25624

[QUOTE="nexusprime"]

[QUOTE="Skylock00"]Square-Enix has nothing to do with Lost Odyssey or Blue Dragon, period, that's at least my understanding of the situation.Darth_Tigris

I'd guess its because of the shared heritage, Sakaguchi being the most visible one. But they technically have no direct relation at all.

Hey, here is some clarification on the original story. Hopefully this will stop some of the fighting. :P

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25624

Not just a shared heritage but also potential. Mystwalker and Sakaguchi is the closest thing to having a Square-Enix like developer on the 360, even with The Last Remnant on the horizon.

I'm personally more excited about Mystwalker than FFXIII. But The Last Remnant has also got me interested....but skeptical because the guy who did the Bouncer is behind this one. :?