Not this again.. Naughty Dog says they're using only 30-40% of PS3's power.

It's also 7 years old, and on a different platform.

S0lidSnake

He is probably talking truth because he LINUX guy.

Even for those who dont believe it just look at first gen Metal gear SOLID 4.

haemorrhagiae

MGS4 is not a first generation game for the PS3.

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He is probably talking truth because he LINUX guy.

Even for those who dont believe it just look at first gen Metal gear SOLID 4.

Grammaton-Cleric

MGS4 is not a first generation game for the PS3.

actually, I would disagree. Just because it got delayed a couple of times and came out a year and a half after the PS3 launch, that doesnt mean its a second gen game.

I actually dont know what constitutes as a first or second gen game. To me, if the game is a developer's first effort on a new console, that makes it a first gen game. Kojima and his team started working on the game before they even received the dev kits.

It's still Naughty Dog, talking about a game they made for a Sony console that was published by Sony...I think it just shows a different mentality about how devs talk about consoles for this generation more than anything else.Skylock00

The most telling sign is that the quote is from a time when the Sony acquisition was still fresh (perhaps they were even indie at the time). Sony probably didn't manage to get rid of that guy yet or at least shut him up. Can't have people talking sense, can you? Especially back in the Ken Era.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"][QUOTE="haemorrhagiae"]

He is probably talking truth because he LINUX guy.

Even for those who dont believe it just look at first gen Metal gear SOLID 4.

S0lidSnake

MGS4 is not a first generation game for the PS3.

actually, I would disagree. Just because it got delayed a couple of times and came out a year and a half after the PS3 launch, that doesnt mean its a second gen game.

I actually dont know what constitutes as a first or second gen game. To me, if the game is a developer's first effort on a new console, that makes it a first gen game. Kojima and his team started working on the game before they even received the dev kits.

Well, by your definition, Too Human would be classified as a first gen game as well because they've been working on it for the better part of a decade.

First gen usually denotes a game released within the first year of a console's lifecycle. Even assuming flexibility within those criteria, MGS4 is most certainly a second gen release. It was released nearly two years into the PS3 lifecycle. Uncharted could be classified as first gen however, along with Heavenly Sword.

Totally dude. It's like this: Whenever a true 3rd party has something to say about a platform? Then it's time to listen. Whenever a company who is tied at the hip with the hardware they're talking about, then it's time to break out the "Who farted?" face. Naughty Dog isn't going to screw with their income by talking in any way non-positive about the only hardware it'll appear on. Same thing with Rare's statement a few days ago about Microsoft's hardware -- they came out and said basically the same thing.

It's PR horsecrap masked in truth. I'm just saying it shouldn't surprise anyone, since all systems benefit from the curve of developer familiarity.

Shame-usBlackley

I think all console developers can't be fully trusted when it comes to hardware third party or not. It is in their best interest to say only good things about any system. Everyone in the console market all seem to be in bed with the console makers in one way or the other either directly or because their publisher is.

I don't think it is a coincidence that most of the devs who call it like they see it about console hardware are developers who make most of their money from the PC market.

I am annoyed by the constant hyperbole of the the PS3 fans frothing at the mouth proclaiming this this to be the source of all creation though.GodModeEnabled

Where are those folks? I think we've got the GGD's biggest Sony fanbots in this thread, and I don't think any of us are prone to saying those kinds of things.

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]I am annoyed by the constant hyperbole of the the PS3 fans frothing at the mouth proclaiming this this to be the source of all creation though.rragnaar

Where are those folks? I think we've got the GGD's biggest Sony fanbots in this thread, and I don't think any of us are prone to saying those kinds of things.

Agreed. I feel the way sony fanboys are treated this generation often is unjust, much like we MS fanboys had to take a lot of crap during the last generation.

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[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]I am annoyed by the constant hyperbole of the the PS3 fans frothing at the mouth proclaiming this this to be the source of all creation though.inoperativeRS

Where are those folks? I think we've got the GGD's biggest Sony fanbots in this thread, and I don't think any of us are prone to saying those kinds of things.

Agreed. I feel the way sony fanboys are treated this generation often is unjust, much like we MS fanboys had to take a lot of crap during the last generation.

lol, sorry about that!! :P

[QUOTE="rragnaar"]Where are those folks? I think we've got the GGD's biggest Sony fanbots in this thread, and I don't think any of us are prone to saying those kinds of things.inoperativeRS

Pfft. We PC fans always have to take ****. We don't have generations, just a continous stream of crap-taking.

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]I am annoyed by the constant hyperbole of the the PS3 fans frothing at the mouth proclaiming this this to be the source of all creation though.rragnaar

Where are those folks? I think we've got the GGD's biggest Sony fanbots in this thread, and I don't think any of us are prone to saying those kinds of things.

This. Seems like the PS3 hate train is back in full effect. Ah well, we had a good run. ALL ABOARD

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"][QUOTE="rragnaar"]Where are those folks? I think we've got the GGD's biggest Sony fanbots in this thread, and I don't think any of us are prone to saying those kinds of things.UpInFlames

Pfft. We PC fans always have to take ****. We don't have generations, just a continous stream of crap-taking.

Pfft. You guys take your share for sure, but I think Nintendo fans get it the worst. Not only does everyone else dump on them, but Nintendo themselves join in the fun too now.:P

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"][QUOTE="rragnaar"]Where are those folks? I think we've got the GGD's biggest Sony fanbots in this thread, and I don't think any of us are prone to saying those kinds of things.UpInFlames

Pfft. We PC fans always have to take ****. We don't have generations, just a continous stream of crap-taking.

True but that is why we developed our most feared weapon:

Not only does everyone else dump on them, but Nintendo themselves join in the fun too now.:Prragnaar

That's been going on for two generations though. Surely they're used to it by now. And in spite of that, they still remain on board -- now that's love and dedication.

Pfft. You guys take your share for sure, but I think Nintendo fans get it the worst. Not only does everyone else dump on them, but Nintendo themselves join in the fun too now.:Prragnaar

Yeah, but let's face it - Nintendo fans deserve it. :P

That's been going on for two generations though. Surely they're used to it by now. And in spite of that, they still remain on board -- now that's love and dedication.Shame-usBlackley

I can think of a few other words, too.

[QUOTE="rragnaar"]Pfft. You guys take your share for sure, but I think Nintendo fans get it the worst. Not only does everyone else dump on them, but Nintendo themselves join in the fun too now.:PUpInFlames

Yeah, but let's face it - Nintendo fans deserve it. :P

:lol:... mod power abuse!

:lol:... mod power abuse!

rragnaar

I can think of a few other words, too. :P

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]I am annoyed by the constant hyperbole of the the PS3 fans frothing at the mouth proclaiming this this to be the source of all creation though.rragnaar

Where are those folks? I think we've got the GGD's biggest Sony fanbots in this thread, and I don't think any of us are prone to saying those kinds of things.

If that's the case, why didn't they tap into it all and make a Crysis-beater?foxhound_fox

Because the PS3 is too difficult to program for. :P

but I don't see how labeling Naughty Dog as a bunch of two-bit charlatans makes any sense.Teufelhuhn

Meh, you gotta kill time somehow.

[spoiler] :P [/spoiler]

If that's the case, why didn't they tap into it all and make a Crysis-beater?foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]If that's the case, why didn't they tap into it all and make a Crysis-beater?Teufelhuhn

They really need to build something like that into the PS4.:P On a somewhat related note, I'm still disappointed that none of my controllers have a 'win' button on them.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]but I don't see how labeling Naughty Dog as a bunch of two-bit charlatans makes any sense.UpInFlames

Meh, you gotta kill time somehow.

That's what stamp collections are for, duh.

>_>

That's what stamp collections are for, duh.

>_>Teufelhuhn

Can't piss people off by collecting stamps, silly.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]If that's the case, why didn't they tap into it all and make a Crysis-beater?rragnaar

They really need to build something like that into the PS4.:P On a somewhat related note, I'm still disappointed that none of my controllers have a 'win' button on them.

Maybe Sony will hire me to replace Kutaragi, thanks to my amazing new feature! And then all the girlz will be like "wow you're so cool", and I'll move out of parents basement, and I'll get that pony I always wanted...

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[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]I am annoyed by the constant hyperbole of the the PS3 fans frothing at the mouth proclaiming this this to be the source of all creation though.Teufelhuhn

Where are those folks? I think we've got the GGD's biggest Sony fanbots in this thread, and I don't think any of us are prone to saying those kinds of things.

Its called poisoning the wells. The unfortunate aspect is that it seems to be all too common fallacy in this day and age.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]If that's the case, why didn't they tap into it all and make a Crysis-beater?Teufelhuhn

They really need to build something like that into the PS4.:P On a somewhat related note, I'm still disappointed that none of my controllers have a 'win' button on them.

Maybe Sony will hire me to replace Kutaragi, thanks to my amazing new feature! And then all the girlz will be like "wow your'e so cool", and I'll move out of parents basement, and...

You're stealing my idea D:

Get yer own plans for girls and glory!

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]If that's the case, why didn't they tap into it all and make a Crysis-beater?inoperativeRS

They really need to build something like that into the PS4.:P On a somewhat related note, I'm still disappointed that none of my controllers have a 'win' button on them.

Maybe Sony will hire me to replace Kutaragi, thanks to my amazing new feature! And then all the girlz will be like "wow your'e so cool", and I'll move out of parents basement, and...

You're stealing my idea D:

Get yer own plans for girls and glory!

I think you are safe. Teuf seems more interested in scoring a pony.

Well what about the devs behind the Darkness? They too have also said something along the lines of the PS3's SPE's having untapped potential...could that possibly mean that the guys over at Naughty Dog weren't just towing the company line?BladesOfAthena

That seems like an odd statement from them considering that they couldn't even implement the blur effect found in the XB360 version.

That said, the Darkness is a gorgeous game on both consoles.

"People think of systems as glasses and ask: "how full is the glass". Unfortunately, that isn't how it works. Any developer who gives you a "percent of system used" answer is blowing smoke. The truth is that every developer uses 100% of the systems power on every game. Some just get more out of that 100% than others. And game after game, we ALL get more out of systems than we did on the previous title. Think of it this way. If the system is a glass, some developers pour in rocks till the glass overflows and then call it quits. They would claim that they use 100% of the systems space. And it is true that no more rocks fit. Some will even put in a rock too many and the game plays slow or runs funny. But there is still some space left for smarter developers. They pour pebbles into the cracks left by the rocks, and they get more into the glass. Then they call it 100% full. But some Developers will then pour in sand, to fill the cracks between the pebbles. They get even more out of the system, yet it is still just 100% full. Some developers go the extra distance, and they pour in water. Then the glass is truly full, right? Sure, but just for this title, because some of the rocks can be replaced with pebbles that do the same thing, if you work hard at it. And some of the pebbles can be made into sand. And some sand can be pressed to water. No developer ever gets a glass filled with only water, no developer has that much time, so no developer truly fills the glass. We just get more and more out of the 100%. "

S0lidSnake

Oh noes a Rare developer thinks they haven't tapped all of the power of the 360!

[QUOTE="Nick Burton"]If you see some of the stuff we've done, in fact some of the stuff our guys have done, the GPU particle systems and things like, some of our guys have been working on the geometric styIe real time radiosity," explained Burton. "Even at the start of this generation, if you'd said to me, without actually me just looking at it and you were asking me off the cuff as a graphics programmer, could that happen, I'd have said no. And then you think, well, what's going to come next? You can still keep pushing it and pushing it and pushing it.rragnaar

I think Rare is telling the truth because their games are in no way using 100% of the 360's power with their average graphics, and useless AI.