Oblivion: What's your overiding memory of this game?

Ok, perhaps "crap" was a bit harsh of me.Planeforger

No, no it wasn't. Morrowind was one of the biggest gameplay disasters ever. Before Morrowind, I'd never seen a game feature token button presses or strictly-cosmetic action. You get one attack for every what, eight, nine pulls of the R-trigger? I mean, seriously, if you're going to limit attack rate like that, why even bother with the first-person, real-time approach? Just go turn/menu-based and tell it like it is.

When you pull the R-trigger three times a second, watch your character attack on-screen at the same pace, and have something completely different (and significantly slower) going on in the actual programming, you're playing a turd.

Anytime id get in a rut or just bored I would save and proceed to SLAUGHTER the entire town. Great fun, espically when i happen to be in a castle.

I went through as a goodie goodie noble fella, Someday ill play again on the dark side of the coin.

[QUOTE="HiResDes"]

[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"]Watching it dominate precious hours of my Spring 06 semester at Utah State, only for me to drop it like a hot potato the instant I got my hands on Grandia III.DarkCatalyst

I'm still playing Grandia II on my DC, is it that much better?

I'd put them in about the same class, with Grandia III being somewhat superior. If I were to rank the series, it'd go something like this.

1) Grandia (Greatest RPG ever, a joy to play with hours you can pour into it.)
2) Grandia III (Evolved well from Xtreme, fun customization, lots of playtime.)
3) Grandia Xtreme (FF-like customization with a couple hundred hours of playtime if you do it right.)
4) Grandia II (A worthy follow-up to Grandia, but short, and needed better customization.)

That being said, that's also how I'd rank the RPG genre in general, so they're all really damn good when you get down to it.

[QUOTE="HiResDes"][QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"]Watching it dominate precious hours of my Spring 06 semester at Utah State, only for me to drop it like a hot potato the instant I got my hands on Grandia III.TriangleHard

I'm still playing Grandia II on my DC, is it that much better?

Grandia III combat system is one of the best in RPG.

However as RPG as a whole, I'd say Grandia III is mediocre. It had very poor pacing due to needlessly long dungeons (which probably was designed so you can enjoy more of it's good combat sytem, but it ended up being a drag), and it had very poor pacing of the storyline and plot. Also the development of the story was poor. It did have good character design and personalities for the character but many of the characters ended up feeling like cliche characters.

Let the record show that no arguments against Grandia III have anything to do with it as a game.

Story is backbone of RPG genre. Story has everything to do with the game in RPG genre.

Grandia III is a failure.

[QUOTE="Funkyhamster"]:lol: @ calling Morrowind an "overrated piece of crap" though; I've never seen anyone do that before.UpInFlames

Heh...well, I'm just tired of seeing people ragging on Oblivion and acting as if Morrowind was the peak of the genre and completely flawless or something. Personally, I'm happy with the direction Bethesda took The Elder Scrolls.

Yeah, people do bash Oblivion by comparing it to Morrowind way too much... although it'll probably be the same way with TESIV and Oblivion. :|

Heck, I remember hearing people complain about how Daggerfall was much better than Morrowind back before Oblivion. :lol:

It's hard to choose. Especially after the first fighter's guild quest was mentiond earlier. I remember thinking "they're going to rehash that quest?" The twist was pretty funny.

My most overriding memory of the game would either have to be when first leaving the sewer and running across the water to a small encampment and taking down a couple of bandits. Seeing the outdoor scenery for the first time, it was striking. As much as I dislike the leveling in some ways, it was also fun to be able to take on humans right off the bat without first leveling up my skills a whole lot.

The other overriding memory is more an encapsulation of events during the assassin's guild quests. Everything from murdering my first victim and getting a visit in the night onward. It reminded me of playing Thief in a lot of ways, but open in a way I had always wished Thief could have been. I also started doing the thieves guild quests around the same time which added to the feeling. Too bad it ended so soon. I'd love to see an entire game like that.

Oh... my... gosh. So much Oblivion hate. :? Didn't this game score a 9.6/10?Dutch_Mix

[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"][QUOTE="HiResDes"]

[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"]Watching it dominate precious hours of my Spring 06 semester at Utah State, only for me to drop it like a hot potato the instant I got my hands on Grandia III.TriangleHard

I'm still playing Grandia II on my DC, is it that much better?

I'd put them in about the same class, with Grandia III being somewhat superior. If I were to rank the series, it'd go something like this.

1) Grandia (Greatest RPG ever, a joy to play with hours you can pour into it.)
2) Grandia III (Evolved well from Xtreme, fun customization, lots of playtime.)
3) Grandia Xtreme (FF-like customization with a couple hundred hours of playtime if you do it right.)
4) Grandia II (A worthy follow-up to Grandia, but short, and needed better customization.)

That being said, that's also how I'd rank the RPG genre in general, so they're all really damn good when you get down to it.

[QUOTE="HiResDes"][QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"]Watching it dominate precious hours of my Spring 06 semester at Utah State, only for me to drop it like a hot potato the instant I got my hands on Grandia III.TriangleHard

I'm still playing Grandia II on my DC, is it that much better?

Grandia III combat system is one of the best in RPG.

However as RPG as a whole, I'd say Grandia III is mediocre. It had very poor pacing due to needlessly long dungeons (which probably was designed so you can enjoy more of it's good combat sytem, but it ended up being a drag), and it had very poor pacing of the storyline and plot. Also the development of the story was poor. It did have good character design and personalities for the character but many of the characters ended up feeling like cliche characters.

Let the record show that no arguments against Grandia III have anything to do with it as a game.

Story is backbone of RPG genre. Story has everything to do with the game in RPG genre.

Grandia III is a failure.

Funny. I loved every minute of every Grandia game I've played, yet I've found it a chore to sleep through a Suikoden or Dragon Quest game.

Story can make a good game great, it can not make a bad game good. Just like graphics.

I play games, regardless of what genre they fall into.

Just a question about Oblivion, does the game actually end at some point? How long does it go on for anyway?MarcusAntonius

It depends on what you mean. Theoretically, you could keep on playing forever, but yeah, there's a main storyline which does indeed end. There are also the various Guild storylines and a plethora of side-quests. But what's truly fantastic about a game such as this is the ability to create your own storyline - if you really get into it and treat it like a grand adventure rather than a game.

I have complaints about Grandia as a game. How about, it just isn't a fun game?MarcusAntonius

Do you actually have a handle on the battle system?

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]Just a question about Oblivion, does the game actually end at some point? How long does it go on for anyway?UpInFlames

It depends on what you mean. Theoretically, you could keep on playing forever, but yeah, there's a main storyline which does indeed end. There are also the various Guild storylines and a plethora of side-quests. But what's truly fantastic about a game such as this is the ability to create your own storyline - if you really get into it and treat it like a grand adventure rather than a game.

Sounds rather underappreciated. I may have to give this WRPG a fair try.

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]I have complaints about Grandia as a game. How about, it just isn't a fun game?DarkCatalyst

Do you actually have a handle on the battle system?

Yes.

[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"]

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]I have complaints about Grandia as a game. How about, it just isn't a fun game?MarcusAntonius

Do you actually have a handle on the battle system?

Yes.

Then what's not to like, specifically?

I would have to say its Sean Bean's voice. :PTeufelhuhn

Sean Bean pwns, quit hatin':P

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]I would have to say its Sean Bean's voice. :PMarcusAntonius

Sean Bean pwns, quit hatin':P

When I first heard him, I was like "WTF Boromir's in this game?!" I had totally forgotten that he was in it... :|

[QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"][QUOTE="HiResDes"]

[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"]Watching it dominate precious hours of my Spring 06 semester at Utah State, only for me to drop it like a hot potato the instant I got my hands on Grandia III.DarkCatalyst

I'm still playing Grandia II on my DC, is it that much better?

I'd put them in about the same class, with Grandia III being somewhat superior. If I were to rank the series, it'd go something like this.

1) Grandia (Greatest RPG ever, a joy to play with hours you can pour into it.)
2) Grandia III (Evolved well from Xtreme, fun customization, lots of playtime.)
3) Grandia Xtreme (FF-like customization with a couple hundred hours of playtime if you do it right.)
4) Grandia II (A worthy follow-up to Grandia, but short, and needed better customization.)

That being said, that's also how I'd rank the RPG genre in general, so they're all really damn good when you get down to it.

[QUOTE="HiResDes"][QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"]Watching it dominate precious hours of my Spring 06 semester at Utah State, only for me to drop it like a hot potato the instant I got my hands on Grandia III.TriangleHard

I'm still playing Grandia II on my DC, is it that much better?

Grandia III combat system is one of the best in RPG.

However as RPG as a whole, I'd say Grandia III is mediocre. It had very poor pacing due to needlessly long dungeons (which probably was designed so you can enjoy more of it's good combat sytem, but it ended up being a drag), and it had very poor pacing of the storyline and plot. Also the development of the story was poor. It did have good character design and personalities for the character but many of the characters ended up feeling like cliche characters.

Let the record show that no arguments against Grandia III have anything to do with it as a game.

Story is backbone of RPG genre. Story has everything to do with the game in RPG genre.

Grandia III is a failure.

Funny. I loved every minute of every Grandia game I've played, yet I've found it a chore to sleep through a Suikoden or Dragon Quest game.

Story can make a good game great, it can not make a bad game good. Just like graphics.

I play games, regardless of what genre they fall into.

Funny because I thought it was chore to play Grandia III.

I lost sleep playing Suikoden 5, and recent Dragon Quest (7 and 8 ) hasn't had strong story to go with the game.

I can think of Saga Frontier II which is crap shoot of a game but it was good game strictly due to good story it had. Also I can think of Radiata Stories which was good game technically but chore to play due to poor story.

You don't really think .Hack series are lasting this long because the gameplay is solid do you?

[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"][QUOTE="TriangleHard"][QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"][QUOTE="HiResDes"]

[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"]Watching it dominate precious hours of my Spring 06 semester at Utah State, only for me to drop it like a hot potato the instant I got my hands on Grandia III.TriangleHard

I'm still playing Grandia II on my DC, is it that much better?

I'd put them in about the same class, with Grandia III being somewhat superior. If I were to rank the series, it'd go something like this.

1) Grandia (Greatest RPG ever, a joy to play with hours you can pour into it.)
2) Grandia III (Evolved well from Xtreme, fun customization, lots of playtime.)
3) Grandia Xtreme (FF-like customization with a couple hundred hours of playtime if you do it right.)
4) Grandia II (A worthy follow-up to Grandia, but short, and needed better customization.)

That being said, that's also how I'd rank the RPG genre in general, so they're all really damn good when you get down to it.

[QUOTE="HiResDes"][QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"]Watching it dominate precious hours of my Spring 06 semester at Utah State, only for me to drop it like a hot potato the instant I got my hands on Grandia III.TriangleHard

I'm still playing Grandia II on my DC, is it that much better?

Grandia III combat system is one of the best in RPG.

However as RPG as a whole, I'd say Grandia III is mediocre. It had very poor pacing due to needlessly long dungeons (which probably was designed so you can enjoy more of it's good combat sytem, but it ended up being a drag), and it had very poor pacing of the storyline and plot. Also the development of the story was poor. It did have good character design and personalities for the character but many of the characters ended up feeling like cliche characters.

Let the record show that no arguments against Grandia III have anything to do with it as a game.

Story is backbone of RPG genre. Story has everything to do with the game in RPG genre.

Grandia III is a failure.

Funny. I loved every minute of every Grandia game I've played, yet I've found it a chore to sleep through a Suikoden or Dragon Quest game.

Story can make a good game great, it can not make a bad game good. Just like graphics.

I play games, regardless of what genre they fall into.

Funny because I thought it was chore to play Grandia III.

I lost sleep playing Suikoden 5, and recent Dragon Quest (7 and 8 ) hasn't had strong story to go with the game.

I can think of Saga Frontier II which is crap shoot of a game but it was good game strictly due to good story it had. Also I can think of Radiata Stories which was good game technically but chore to play due to poor story.

You don't really think .Hack series are lasting this long because the gameplay is solid do you?

I enjoy them.

As for SaGa Frontier II, I refuse to tolerate a bad game just to get a story.

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]I would have to say its Sean Bean's voice. :PFunkyhamster

Sean Bean pwns, quit hatin':P

When I first heard him, I was like "WTF Boromir's in this game?!" I had totally forgotten that he was in it... :|

Not really the greatest voice work in this game. The three or four NPC VAs get old pretty fast, and the way they seem to have recorded in different tempos and switching between happy/sad/wtf with every sentence takes you out of the experience:

"My son!:cry: by the gods, the deadra have slain my son! :cry:"

which is followed by,

":) my son's death was a great loss, but we can not mourn his slaying forever. Now how about buying that house I was telling you about earlier? Hmm?:)"

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]Just a question about Oblivion, does the game actually end at some point? How long does it go on for anyway?UpInFlames

It depends on what you mean. Theoretically, you could keep on playing forever, but yeah, there's a main storyline which does indeed end. There are also the various Guild storylines and a plethora of side-quests. But what's truly fantastic about a game such as this is the ability to create your own storyline - if you really get into it and treat it like a grand adventure rather than a game.

It does end when you've done all the quests. There really isn't any point on keeping on playing once you pass the completion of the quests. I don't think you create your own story, I mean the game is basically a hundred sidequests that you can undertake in random order. Rather than creating a unique story mostly what you're doing is dipping in and out of microstories, which usually have unique setups, but end up featuring repetitive and similar tasks. Usually fetch questing.

Not saying I don't love it though, cause I do. :P

It does end when you've done all the quests. There really isn't any point on keeping on playing once you pass the completion of the quests. I don't think you create your own story, I mean the game is basically a hundred sidequests that you can undertake in random order. Rather than creating a unique story mostly what you're doing is dipping in and out of microstories, which usually have unique setups, but end up featuring repetitive and similar tasks. Usually fetch questing.

Not saying I don't love it though, cause I do. :Pgaminggeek

Did anyone actually complete all of the quests? I never even came close. Also, I specifically said - if you really get into it and treat it like a grand adventure rather than a game. :wink:

after you do the arena you geta supporter right he follows you every where i took him to the very tiptop of the imperila city castle (the tallest point on the game then pushed him off) i teleported bak down to see his body splatered all ober the side walk with all the guards looking at him... what a laugh :Dshr0Uder

Oh hell ya i did the arena long ago, i forgot about that little weasel and how many times i got him killed. Death to the arena fanboy

after you do the arena you geta supporter right he follows you every where i took him to the very tiptop of the imperila city castle (the tallest point on the game then pushed him off) i teleported bak down to see his body splatered all ober the side walk with all the guards looking at him... what a laugh :Dshr0Uder

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]Just a question about Oblivion, does the game actually end at some point? How long does it go on for anyway?gaminggeek

It depends on what you mean. Theoretically, you could keep on playing forever, but yeah, there's a main storyline which does indeed end. There are also the various Guild storylines and a plethora of side-quests. But what's truly fantastic about a game such as this is the ability to create your own storyline - if you really get into it and treat it like a grand adventure rather than a game.

It does end when you've done all the quests. There really isn't any point on keeping on playing once you pass the completion of the quests. I don't think you create your own story, I mean the game is basically a hundred sidequests that you can undertake in random order. Rather than creating a unique story mostly what you're doing is dipping in and out of microstories, which usually have unique setups, but end up featuring repetitive and similar tasks. Usually fetch questing.

Not saying I don't love it though, cause I do. :P

You can on the PC. Hurray mods!

[QUOTE="gaminggeek"]It does end when you've done all the quests. There really isn't any point on keeping on playing once you pass the completion of the quests. I don't think you create your own story, I mean the game is basically a hundred sidequests that you can undertake in random order. Rather than creating a unique story mostly what you're doing is dipping in and out of microstories, which usually have unique setups, but end up featuring repetitive and similar tasks. Usually fetch questing.

Not saying I don't love it though, cause I do. :PUpInFlames

Did anyone actually complete all of the quests? I never even came close. Also, I specifically said - if you really get into it and treat it like a grand adventure rather than a game. :wink:

[QUOTE="gaminggeek"]It does end when you've done all the quests. There really isn't any point on keeping on playing once you pass the completion of the quests. I don't think you create your own story, I mean the game is basically a hundred sidequests that you can undertake in random order. Rather than creating a unique story mostly what you're doing is dipping in and out of microstories, which usually have unique setups, but end up featuring repetitive and similar tasks. Usually fetch questing.

Not saying I don't love it though, cause I do. :PUpInFlames

Did anyone actually complete all of the quests? I never even came close. Also, I specifically said - if you really get into it and treat it like a grand adventure rather than a game. :wink:

Explain yourself sire.

I think I had 3 quests left, thathad ridiculous requirements to even start, like having various combinations of items and stats.

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"][QUOTE="gaminggeek"]It does end when you've done all the quests. There really isn't any point on keeping on playing once you pass the completion of the quests. I don't think you create your own story, I mean the game is basically a hundred sidequests that you can undertake in random order. Rather than creating a unique story mostly what you're doing is dipping in and out of microstories, which usually have unique setups, but end up featuring repetitive and similar tasks. Usually fetch questing.

Not saying I don't love it though, cause I do. :Pgaminggeek

Did anyone actually complete all of the quests? I never even came close. Also, I specifically said - if you really get into it and treat it like a grand adventure rather than a game. :wink:

Explain yourself sire.

I think I had 3 quests left, thathad ridiculous requirements to even start, like having various combinations of items and stats.

Green foliage and 1 dungeon cloned 100 times. Gangans

lol :D - I've had many great experiences with Oblivion, hmm, the Gray Fox forgetting that he was the count after completing all of the Thieves Guild quests was funny, but I cant really recall many spectacular and original experiences I've had, except for installing OOO and enjoying Oblivion 10x more :)

Explain yourself sire.

I think I had 3 quests left, thathad ridiculous requirements to even start, like having various combinations of items and stats.gaminggeek

3 quests left? In all of Cyrodiil? How the hell did you manage to do that?

I'm not sure how to further explain it. If you approach games such as this as a collection of random quests and mini-storylines, you can't expect to have the same experience as someone who really gets into the gameworld, into the lore. The point is to role-play, I devised a backstory for my character, his personality, wants and needs. As a result, I flat out refused a number of quests, went only to certain places of interest, and treated the gameworld as a living, breathing place as much as possible. Because of that, once I decide to start with a new character, I am guaranteed to have an entirely different experience.

[QUOTE="gaminggeek"]Explain yourself sire.

I think I had 3 quests left, thathad ridiculous requirements to even start, like having various combinations of items and stats.UpInFlames

3 quests left? In all of Cyrodiil? How the hell did you manage to do that?

I'm not sure how to further explain it. If you approach games such as this as a collection of random quests and mini-storylines, you can't expect to have the same experience as someone who really gets into the gameworld, into the lore. The point is to role-play, I devised a backstory for my character, his personality, wants and needs. As a result, I flat out refused a number of quests, went only to certain places of interest, and treated the gameworld as a living, breathing place as much as possible. Because of that, once I decide to start with a new character, I am guaranteed to have an entirely different experience.

Errrr okay. Always knew you were crazy :P

not realising the voice of the emporer was patrick stewart/jean luc picard/professor xavier till the very end of the game.

and being annoyed that i'm stuck because i'm a knight of the nine and can't get infamy or i'll be kicked out.

oh and the 'adoring fan' :evil: