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#1 Metamania
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The game is expected to be released tomorrow.

I created this thread for the purpose of all of you discussing this game. Unfortunately, it's not off to a good start.

IGN's review is up, which you can find here. Although reviews don't matter in the end, it may be disheartening to know that it received a very low rating. Watching the review now, it makes me want to cancel my pre-order and put the money on either Max Payne 3 or The Witcher 2. I may end up putting it on the latter if it's this bad.

In any case, for the fans that can't get enough of NG3, have at it! :)

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#2 Grammaton-Cleric
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I'm still on the fence about this one and I certainly think it will be a step back for the franchise in some regards but that IGN score of 3.0 is laughable.

The reviewer actually scored the graphics a 4.0, which underscores a clear bias and suggests any and all objectivism was absent when this thing was written.

IGN has been low-balling plenty of games recently, almost to a point where it seems like some sort of attention-grab.

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#3 juradai
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I enjoyed the hell out of the first one. However, when I played the second one I just couldn't get past the level of frustration I was feeling when having to deal with enemies off screen. I like Itagaki and his weird yet badass ways but he clearly just wanted to piss me off when he spawned Ninja Gaiden 2. With him not being on the project anymore and the fact that NGII just didn't sit well all the way with me I am not nearly as motivated to get this installment.

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so only renting this game after seeing the ign video review
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#5 Black_Knight_00
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Yeah Mete, get The Witcher 2 instead. Ninja Gaiden 3 will soon be cheap enough to grab a copy on the side.
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#6 Metamania
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Yeah Mete, get The Witcher 2 instead. Ninja Gaiden 3 will soon be cheap enough to grab a copy on the side.Black_Knight_00

That's the plan, man. I'll rent it once it comes out. It will be cheaper that way. But I'm still getting RE ORC, no matter what.

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#7 CarnageHeart
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I skipped NG2 because while the action and gore were dialed up to 11, the camera (a weakness of the original, though a tolerable one) was by all accounts worse than ever. Sounds like the developers of NG3 didn't bother to fix the camera. Can't claim I'm shocked. I've watched several interviews and they've went on and on about wanting A) to show what it feels like to kill someone with a sword B) Hayabusa's guilt for all the people he'd killed but they didn't seem to be interested in NG as an action game.

Team Ninja has produced nothing but commercial and creative failures under its belt following the departure of Itagaki (though it should be noted the pattern of decline started under Itagaki, who made two DOAX games when he should have been polishing NG2 to perfection). If DOA5 continues the pattern of failure, I wouldn't be surprised if Tecmo dissolved them.

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#8 iHarlequin
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Wow. Doesn't IGN usually just throw high scores at every game that comes out that's moderately decent o.o ? I'm surprised it scored this low, though there are some criteria I doubt the game deserved a score so low: sound and graphics specially.

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#9 Archangel3371
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Wow. What the f*** happened? I'll still wait for more reviews, especially the one here at GS but it seems pretty bad. I loved both previous games and I've seen some videos of NG3 that looked amazing. I'm going wait and see and read some of these reviews. I'll be very disappointed if it's actually as bad as it sounds so far.
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#10 Jbul
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I'm still on the fence about this one and I certainly think it will be a step back for the franchise in some regards but that IGN score of 3.0 is laughable.

The reviewer actually scored the graphics a 4.0, which underscores a clear bias and suggests any and all objectivism was absent when this thing was written.

IGN has been low-balling plenty of games recently, almost to a point where it seems like some sort of attention-grab.

Grammaton-Cleric

Wait... you're saying IGN does things, not in the interest of Journalist Integrity, but for sensationalism and attention?! HOW DARE YOU SIR!!!!.... oh wait, it's IGN. Yeah, this really shouldn't surprise anyone, after their year of 45, 9+ scores (2011). Maybe they ran out of weed and Boones Farm, and are just revenge-reviewing.

But yeah, I'm disappointed that NG3 is getting not just mediocre, but horrific reviews from alot of sites. I was really looking forward to it. Oh well, got plenty of good s*** to keep me busy otherwise (ME3, namely).

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#11 Jbul
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I skipped NG2 because while the action and gore were dialed up to 11, the camera (a weakness of the original, though a tolerable one) was by all accounts worse than ever. Sounds like the developers of NG3 didn't bother to fix the camera. Can't claim I'm shocked. I've watched several interviews and they've went on and on about wanting A) to show what it feels like to kill someone with a sword B) Hayabusa's guilt for all the people he'd killed but they didn't seem to be interested in NG as an action game.

Team Ninja has produced nothing but commercial and creative failures under its belt following the departure of Itagaki (though it should be noted the pattern of decline started under Itagaki, who made two DOAX games when he should have been polishing NG2 to perfection). If DOA5 continues the pattern of failure, I wouldn't be surprised if Tecmo dissolved them.

CarnageHeart

You skipped NG2? I could've swore we rapped about it in the official thread all those years ago. Might've been ShameUs. Anyway, it wasn't perfect, not by a long shot, but it was still worth playing as an action fan, despite it's frustrations, IMO.

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[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

I skipped NG2 because while the action and gore were dialed up to 11, the camera (a weakness of the original, though a tolerable one) was by all accounts worse than ever. Sounds like the developers of NG3 didn't bother to fix the camera. Can't claim I'm shocked. I've watched several interviews and they've went on and on about wanting A) to show what it feels like to kill someone with a sword B) Hayabusa's guilt for all the people he'd killed but they didn't seem to be interested in NG as an action game.

Team Ninja has produced nothing but commercial and creative failures under its belt following the departure of Itagaki (though it should be noted the pattern of decline started under Itagaki, who made two DOAX games when he should have been polishing NG2 to perfection). If DOA5 continues the pattern of failure, I wouldn't be surprised if Tecmo dissolved them.

Jbul

You skipped NG2? I could've swore we rapped about it in the official thread all those years ago. Might've been ShameUs. Anyway, it wasn't perfect, not by a long shot, but it was still worth playing as an action fan, despite it's frustrations, IMO.

Yeah, I think that was me. It wasn't a bad game, but it had some serious issues, both in design and from a mechanical standpoint.

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:lol:
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#14 KillerJuan77
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I'm definetely getting it, I just hope it's more balanced than NGII.

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#15 branketra
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I thought it looked decent. I'll wait for my own impressions unless it's obviously terrible. Which it wasn't in the gameplay videos.
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#17 SergioP
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The game is expected to be released tomorrow.

I created this thread for the purpose of all of you discussing this game. Unfortunately, it's not off to a good start.

IGN's review is up, which you can find here. Although reviews don't matter in the end, it may be disheartening to know that it received a very low rating. Watching the review now, it makes me want to cancel my pre-order and put the money on either Max Payne 3 or The Witcher 2. I may end up putting it on the latter if it's this bad.

In any case, for the fans that can't get enough of NG3, have at it! :)

Metamania
I did see the IGN review earlier today. I think that the reason the score is so low is because the reviewer is simply angry at the developers for not being able to keep up with the prior iterations in the series. Being someone that's enjoyed the games immensely, I can understand how being let down will actually feel like betrayal. I also read a number of other reviews. There are a number of very different opinions on the content of the games but, regardless of how IGN scored their review, it does seem that their argument has enough facts to be valid. Losing Tomonobu Itagaki was evidently a massive loss to what once was Team Ninja.
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#18 Art_Of_Dying
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Well, my pre-order from Amazon has already shipped so I guess I'll have to form my own opinion on this game. Hopefully it differs from that of the IGN reviewer.

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the fact that anyone would take ign seriously is laughable

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#21 Metamania
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As I promised myself, I canceled my pre-order for the game and put it on The Witcher 2 earlier today.

But I'm sure someone has picked it up. Any impressions?

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#22 mystic_knight
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The game is expected to be released tomorrow.

I created this thread for the purpose of all of you discussing this game. Unfortunately, it's not off to a good start.

IGN's review is up, which you can find here. Although reviews don't matter in the end, it may be disheartening to know that it received a very low rating. Watching the review now, it makes me want to cancel my pre-order and put the money on either Max Payne 3 or The Witcher 2. I may end up putting it on the latter if it's this bad.

In any case, for the fans that can't get enough of NG3, have at it! :)

Metamania
Look at metacritic, the fans are pretty pissed off, lots of negatives that say the game is ruined.
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As I promised myself, I canceled my pre-order for the game and put it on The Witcher 2 earlier today.

But I'm sure someone has picked it up. Any impressions?

Metamania
Hey Meta when is Witcher 2 slated for release? 2 weeks time roughly?
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#24 187umKILLAH
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If anyones buying this game for its online content you might wanna reconsider, just another reason to avoid all Online pass games...

http://www.destructoid.com/ninja-gaiden-3-online-passes-not-working-224220.phtml

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As I promised myself, I canceled my pre-order for the game and put it on The Witcher 2 earlier today.

But I'm sure someone has picked it up. Any impressions?

Metamania
And not a minute too soon :P Now (please!) do the same with Raccoon City! It's ghastly! D:
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#26 Metamania
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[QUOTE="Metamania"]

As I promised myself, I canceled my pre-order for the game and put it on The Witcher 2 earlier today.

But I'm sure someone has picked it up. Any impressions?

GodModeEnabled

Hey Meta when is Witcher 2 slated for release? 2 weeks time roughly?

Witcher 2 is slated to come out on April 17th, about a month away now.

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#27 juradai
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[QUOTE="Metamania"]

The game is expected to be released tomorrow.

I created this thread for the purpose of all of you discussing this game. Unfortunately, it's not off to a good start.

IGN's review is up, which you can find here. Although reviews don't matter in the end, it may be disheartening to know that it received a very low rating. Watching the review now, it makes me want to cancel my pre-order and put the money on either Max Payne 3 or The Witcher 2. I may end up putting it on the latter if it's this bad.

In any case, for the fans that can't get enough of NG3, have at it! :)

mystic_knight
Look at metacritic, the fans are pretty pissed off, lots of negatives that say the game is ruined.

I read some of the reviews and they mentioned the use of only one weapon throughout the entire game and many QTEs. I get the impression it is similar to Ninja Blade. Oddly enough, I really liked Ninja Blade but I knew what I was getting myself into. The biggest complaint I hear so far is that this third installment is not a Ninja Gaiden game. That's unfortunate because the fanbase is definitely there.... or was rather.
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#28 Metamania
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I think Itagaki leaving Tecmo had a profounding effect on the team that developed it. Which makes me wonder if any of its future projects, such as Dead Or Alive 5, will be no good as well?

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I went ahead and nabbed the game. I've been playing this franchise since it's inception as an arcade brawler (along with subsequent NES iterations) and I consider NGB to be a masterpiece of the genre. I also think NGII, while heavily flawed, contains one of the most brilliant combat engine ever placed into the construct of a game. I've also played the Sigma games so you can consider me a true fan of the (Complete) franchise.

I spent around three hours with the game last evening and walked away with very mixed feelings. To be perfectly honest, NGIII is, objectively, a pretty solid experience. I'd even venture to state that it fits snugly within the franchise if you take the ENTIRE series of games into consideration.

The most glaring problem is that most people, when talking about Ninja Gaiden, use Itagaki as their definitive metric and that is certainly understandable. And let's be clear from the outset: THIS IS NOT AN ITAGAKI NINJA GAIDEN.

Most of what made his NG experience so unique and rewardingly difficult has been stripped away. Gone are the plethora of flashy and useful weapons and their accompanying various strengths and weaknesses; gone are the upgrades, collectables and potions that all played a key role in how you managed and evolved the ninja throughout the game; gone is the deeper combat that made NG so much more than a hack-n-slash.

What has been substituted here is something more akin to a fusion of God of War with NG aesthetics. There is a concerted effort to achieve cinematic camera angles and spectacle. QTE's are abound and there is a general streamlining of just about every core element, making this something that the casual market could enjoy even while alienating the hardcore audience that venerated the previous games. Hayashi is clearly enamored with games of the west and is looking to emulate their opulence and production values along with their cinematic trappings.

He succeeds but the price is steep: he sacrifices the amazing symmetry between spectacle and functionality that Itagaki has always managed to implant into his games. I think QTE fatigue has affected just about everyone at this point and many of use are looking to play games rather than watch them. NGIII has some wonderful set pieces and some amazing sequences but too many of them feel automated and remove player agency and that is something Itagaki's games certainly never did.

Still, there is a good game here and when compared to most action games I'd rank NGIII well above average. The core combat, while lacking the depth of the previous games, is still quite satisfying and despite the removal of the dismemberment system the game rewards every slice with a copious flow of crimson. Enemies are mostly aggressive and crowd management is still paramount though it never manages to feel anywhere nearly as dire as earlier games. That understood, the game still offers a challenge on the higher difficulty setting.

The bow has been given increased functionality (it is actually a bit overpowered) and offers ease of aiming and even the ability to slow time when shooting. It's one of the few improvements over the previous game that adds a bit of depth and it's actually fun to use.

The added QTE's, while certainly not necessary in a franchise like this, are not nearly as abrasive as some have claimed. The much-maligned climbing mechanic in particular is far from offensive and these sequences are actually quite clever and even offer a relative amount of functionality while traversing steep walls and simultaneously attacking and avoiding enemies.

The stealth elements, while sparse, at least add some variety though most tend to be laid out for the player. As to magic, it has been streamlined and works well enough though – like the weapons – I miss the robust selection offered by earlier games.

Additions like the slide add some innovation (though the actual sliding mechanics feels imprecise at times) and the Grip of Murder is serviceable if not a tad automated.

Visually NGIII looks quite good and fits in nicely with the previous games of the franchise. Thus far I haven't encountered any major technical shortcomings despite reading about constant screen tearing and frame rate dips on places like Neogaf. The game looks good and plays very smoothly and overall seems very polished. I also applaud the fairly decent spectrum of environments that, at the very least, give the scenery some variety.

The story is typical NG fare: borderline incoherent. It seems no worse than either of Itagaki's games in that regard.

Overall I'm enjoying NGIII but that is because I am looking at the game objectively and detached from the Itagaki entries. Its fun, linear, mechanically sound and better than many action games on the market and there is some pleasure to be had in the simplicity of the engine. One could even argue this simplicity harkens back to the earlier games of the series, though I doubt that was the intention of Hayashi.

It also happens to be the successor to some of the best action games ever made and here is where it fails miserably. Most people who love the previous games will simply loathe this and I feel for them, as with some tweaking this could have been a great continuation of Itagaki's vision.

As it stands it is something else; divergent and ultimately lesser than the previous games. I do think some of the critical drubbing this game has received is excessive, especially by a press that overlooks all manner of flaws when the circumstances suit them, but ultimately most fans of the franchise will walk away disappointed.

I'm glad I bought it but clearly it could have been so much more. What I've taken away from this game is that Hayashi has his own plans for the franchise and unless he listens to fans I suspect we won't be getting anything close to NG or even NGII ever again.

And that IGN review is still crap. Objectively, NGIII is a solid 7.

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NG series is now dead :(
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they had hayashi working on ng3 and the game came out a steaming turd. Game developers try to be flamboyant and cool by throwing in retarded new concepts. NG was a series that focused on ONE thing. And that was kicking the **** living **** out of everything and ass-raping demons and bad guys relentlessly. Now it'sa ll about mercy, guilt, and all that garbage. RYu was one of my fav characters in game history because i always saw a cold-blooded killer who was willing to ensure balance. This game pisses me off in so many ways. If you read some of the bs justifications they try to make in relation to why they chose to make this **** game the way it was, you'll just rageface. This "ninja gaiden" deserves all the scathing hatred it's receiving, every word of it. IGn rightfully gave the p.o.s a 3/10 score. Metacritic was too generous w/ the 5.9/10. Hopefully Itagaki comes back and throws together a very bloody masterpiece.

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they had hayashi working on ng3 and the game came out a steaming turd. Game developers try to be flamboyant and cool by throwing in retarded new concepts. NG was a series that focused on ONE thing. And that was kicking the **** living **** out of everything and ass-raping demons and bad guys relentlessly. Now it'sa ll about mercy, guilt, and all that garbage. RYu was one of my fav characters in game history because i always saw a cold-blooded killer who was willing to ensure balance. This game pisses me off in so many ways. If you read some of the bs justifications they try to make in relation to why they chose to make this **** game the way it was, you'll just rageface. This "ninja gaiden" deserves all the scathing hatred it's receiving, every word of it. IGn rightfully gave the p.o.s a 3/10 score. Metacritic was too generous w/ the 5.9/10. Hopefully Itagaki comes back and throws together a very bloody masterpiece.

Iridionprime

I understand how you feel but there's no way this game deserves a 3.0.

And Itagaki is never going back to Tecmo.

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[QUOTE="Iridionprime"]

they had hayashi working on ng3 and the game came out a steaming turd. Game developers try to be flamboyant and cool by throwing in retarded new concepts. NG was a series that focused on ONE thing. And that was kicking the **** living **** out of everything and ass-raping demons and bad guys relentlessly. Now it'sa ll about mercy, guilt, and all that garbage. RYu was one of my fav characters in game history because i always saw a cold-blooded killer who was willing to ensure balance. This game pisses me off in so many ways. If you read some of the bs justifications they try to make in relation to why they chose to make this **** game the way it was, you'll just rageface. This "ninja gaiden" deserves all the scathing hatred it's receiving, every word of it. IGn rightfully gave the p.o.s a 3/10 score. Metacritic was too generous w/ the 5.9/10. Hopefully Itagaki comes back and throws together a very bloody masterpiece.

Grammaton-Cleric

I understand how you feel but there's no way this game deserves a 3.0.

And Itagaki is never going back to Tecmo.

yeah i know itagaki can never go back to tecmo after the way they treated him. But these people need a hard ass-kicking if they want to measure up to itagaki's success. It just annoys the **** out of me how game producers think they could change things in stupid, pointless, and ****ing vapid ways and expect us to throw our money at them. And to the other posts, you were right in choosing the witcher 2 over this p.o.s game. The witcher series is amazing :D

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#34 Metamania
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[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

[QUOTE="Iridionprime"]

they had hayashi working on ng3 and the game came out a steaming turd. Game developers try to be flamboyant and cool by throwing in retarded new concepts. NG was a series that focused on ONE thing. And that was kicking the **** living **** out of everything and ass-raping demons and bad guys relentlessly. Now it'sa ll about mercy, guilt, and all that garbage. RYu was one of my fav characters in game history because i always saw a cold-blooded killer who was willing to ensure balance. This game pisses me off in so many ways. If you read some of the bs justifications they try to make in relation to why they chose to make this **** game the way it was, you'll just rageface. This "ninja gaiden" deserves all the scathing hatred it's receiving, every word of it. IGn rightfully gave the p.o.s a 3/10 score. Metacritic was too generous w/ the 5.9/10. Hopefully Itagaki comes back and throws together a very bloody masterpiece.

Iridionprime

I understand how you feel but there's no way this game deserves a 3.0.

And Itagaki is never going back to Tecmo.

yeah i know itagaki can never go back to tecmo after the way they treated him. But these people need a hard ass-kicking if they want to measure up to itagaki's success. It just annoys the **** out of me how game producers think they could change things in stupid, pointless, and ****ing vapid ways and expect us to throw our money at them. And to the other posts, you were right in choosing the witcher 2 over this p.o.s game. The witcher series is amazing :D

Itagaki left because of the sexual-harrassment suit, not to mention the way they treated him.

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#35 GodModeEnabled
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Nice impressions Gram, it's good to read a real honest take on the game for its own merits rather than what it isn't. I will probably pick this up when it hits the $20 mark later this year. Like yourself I have been a lifelong series fan since the NES days, but i'm in no hurry for it either. I can wait comfortably for some price drops. I can probably get used to the new combat easy enough, but i'm really sad they took out the dismemberment stuff. Made the game feel like a real asian ninja movie with arms and heads rolling, added a nice bit of immersion.
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Good review. That was very thorough and grounded by experience with both the NG franchise, the western market, and perhaps action games as a whole.
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#38 JustPlainLucas
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This reminds me that I still need to get to my Ninja Gaiden 2.
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I have been highly anticipating this game since it's announcement. I also really like the ideas for the story. It is dissapointing that the gameplay isn't the Ninja Gaiden I have come to love. But I found it hard to fully trust IGN on their review.

Grammatron Cleric, that sounds like a well written review you have there. And it made me a bit more excited to play it after reading IGN's review. But still dissapointed that even you seem to find the story no better then the previous ones. Regardless, I will play it and see for myself.

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Nice impressions Gram, it's good to read a real honest take on the game for its own merits rather than what it isn't. I will probably pick this up when it hits the $20 mark later this year. Like yourself I have been a lifelong series fan since the NES days, but i'm in no hurry for it either. I can wait comfortably for some price drops. I can probably get used to the new combat easy enough, but i'm really sad they took out the dismemberment stuff. Made the game feel like a real asian ninja movie with arms and heads rolling, added a nice bit of immersion.GodModeEnabled

Removing the dismemberment was an epic mistake.

Even with shallow combat, employing the same type of limb-removal system found in NGII would have added some serious mileage to the proceedings. Even though I think NGII is an overall inferior game to NGB, the dismemberment and gore felt so right thematically and was so viscerally satisfying that it made it difficult to go back and play the previous game.

Hayashi was very foolish to remove it. (Then again, he largely removed it from Sigma 2)

And I couldn't agree more that this is solid 20 dollar game. I made the leap due to my devotion to the series but for most a weekend rental or the discount bin will suffice.

What really sucks about this whole Itagaki thing is that not only would he have made NGIII awesome, I seriously doubt NGII would have been nearly as unpolished had he not been on his way out the door.

Can you imagine what NGII would have been with another few months of tweaking?

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#41 Grammaton-Cleric
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I have been highly anticipating this game since it's announcement. I also really like the ideas for the story. It is dissapointing that the gameplay isn't the Ninja Gaiden I have come to love. But I found it hard to fully trust IGN on their review.

Grammatron Cleric, that sounds like a well written review you have there. And it made me a bit more excited to play it after reading IGN's review. But still dissapointed that even you seem to find the story no better then the previous ones. Regardless, I will play it and see for myself.

lazyathew

To be fair I rarely pay attention to the narratives in most games and I've been skipping most of the cut scenes in this one.

Personally, I don't play NG for the story but at the same time I think they could make a more concerted effort to make the plot coherent.

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#42 lazyathew
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[QUOTE="lazyathew"]

I have been highly anticipating this game since it's announcement. I also really like the ideas for the story. It is dissapointing that the gameplay isn't the Ninja Gaiden I have come to love. But I found it hard to fully trust IGN on their review.

Grammatron Cleric, that sounds like a well written review you have there. And it made me a bit more excited to play it after reading IGN's review. But still dissapointed that even you seem to find the story no better then the previous ones. Regardless, I will play it and see for myself.

Grammaton-Cleric

To be fair I rarely pay attention to the narratives in most games and I've been skipping most of the cut scenes in this one.

Personally, I don't play NG for the story but at the same time I think they could make a more concerted effort to make the plot coherent.

I see. Yeah, I never played Ninja Gaiden for the story either, but a good story is always a plus for me. And leading up to the release I've been hearing news about Hayashi trying to add a better story in this one, so I was excited to see what he would do. However, it seems he may have been focusing a bit too hard on the story and the gameplay is suffering forit, which is unfortante. Regardless, I am still interested to see what kind of story he made.

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#43 Grammaton-Cleric
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[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

[QUOTE="lazyathew"]

I have been highly anticipating this game since it's announcement. I also really like the ideas for the story. It is dissapointing that the gameplay isn't the Ninja Gaiden I have come to love. But I found it hard to fully trust IGN on their review.

Grammatron Cleric, that sounds like a well written review you have there. And it made me a bit more excited to play it after reading IGN's review. But still dissapointed that even you seem to find the story no better then the previous ones. Regardless, I will play it and see for myself.

lazyathew

To be fair I rarely pay attention to the narratives in most games and I've been skipping most of the cut scenes in this one.

Personally, I don't play NG for the story but at the same time I think they could make a more concerted effort to make the plot coherent.

I see. Yeah, I never played Ninja Gaiden for the story either, but a good story is always a plus for me. And leading up to the release I've been hearing news about Hayashi trying to add a better story in this one, so I was excited to see what he would do. However, it seems he may have been focusing a bit too hard on the story and the gameplay is suffering forit, which is unfortante. Regardless, I am still interested to see what kind of story he made.

They actually got one of the writers from the NES NG games to work on the story so that fact alone generated some interest.

I do think you could weave a potentially interesting narrative in a NG game but I don't think III will be the iteration to achieve that particular goal.

It's funny regarding Hayashi and his many claims because when looking back at some of his earlier comments he asserts that he didn't intend to tone down the difficulty for casual players when in actuality that is precisely what he has done. (Among other things)

I don't think he had a clear direction with NGIII and it shows. It can be argued that everything that works in NGIII was lifted from the shoulders of Itagaki.

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[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]Nice impressions Gram, it's good to read a real honest take on the game for its own merits rather than what it isn't. I will probably pick this up when it hits the $20 mark later this year. Like yourself I have been a lifelong series fan since the NES days, but i'm in no hurry for it either. I can wait comfortably for some price drops. I can probably get used to the new combat easy enough, but i'm really sad they took out the dismemberment stuff. Made the game feel like a real asian ninja movie with arms and heads rolling, added a nice bit of immersion.Grammaton-Cleric

Removing the dismemberment was an epic mistake.

Even with shallow combat, employing the same type of limb-removal system found in NGII would have added some serious mileage to the proceedings. Even though I think NGII is an overall inferior game to NGB, the dismemberment and gore felt so right thematically and was so viscerally satisfying that it made it difficult to go back and play the previous game.

Hayashi was very foolish to remove it. (Then again, he largely removed it from Sigma 2)

And I couldn't agree more that this is solid 20 dollar game. I made the leap due to my devotion to the series but for most a weekend rental or the discount bin will suffice.

What really sucks about this whole Itagaki thing is that not only would he have made NGIII awesome, I seriously doubt NGII would have been nearly as unpolished had he not been on his way out the door.

Can you imagine what NGII would have been with another few months of tweaking?

After the success of NG1 Itagaki coasted, doing fawning interviews with journalists who took nonsense they once laughed at seriously (or at least respectfully), making the DOA games, and making games for people with a fetish for polygonal breasts (some would argue that's the same thing but DOA is solid fighter).

The only hope for Devil's Third (in terms of quality, its commercial prospects are incredibly bleak) is that right now he isn't in a position where a company is going to just throw money at him to do whatever he wants.

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I think I'm going to pick this up - I have blood thirst that needs slaking. And I have a great fondness for QTEs, I don't care how much of a bad person that makes me.

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I think I'm going to pick this up - I have blood thirst that needs slaking. And I have a great fondness for QTEs, I don't care how much of a bad person that makes me.

Business_Fun

If you enjoy QTE, that's fine. But I find QTE to be annoying, specifically when you want to play the game and are forced to look up, every now and then, so that you don't miss the button prompt. Yet you miss out on what's happening in the action as you're doing so. Got a bad case of it after running through Conan a couple of times now - it just plain sucks.

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[QUOTE="Business_Fun"]

I think I'm going to pick this up - I have blood thirst that needs slaking. And I have a great fondness for QTEs, I don't care how much of a bad person that makes me.

Metamania

If you enjoy QTE, that's fine. But I find QTE to be annoying, specifically when you want to play the game and are forced to look up, every now and then, so that you don't miss the button prompt. Yet you miss out on what's happening in the action as you're doing so. Got a bad case of it after running through Conan a couple of times now - it just plain sucks.

I don't know what to say - they just soothe my soul. And they make me feel like a big man without having to back it up, leaving me pumped up and gladiatorial.

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#48 _Dez_
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Thanks for the first impression Grammaton. I really enjoyed both NG games, even with all the flaws and balance issues in the second game, thanks to the superb core mechanics. However, most of the streamlining changes do not really appeal to me, especially the one melee weapon thing. I understand they will be releasing the two weapons from the previous game as free dlc, so I intend to wait it out a little so I can play this game that offers a little more content.

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#49 Grammaton-Cleric
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[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]Nice impressions Gram, it's good to read a real honest take on the game for its own merits rather than what it isn't. I will probably pick this up when it hits the $20 mark later this year. Like yourself I have been a lifelong series fan since the NES days, but i'm in no hurry for it either. I can wait comfortably for some price drops. I can probably get used to the new combat easy enough, but i'm really sad they took out the dismemberment stuff. Made the game feel like a real asian ninja movie with arms and heads rolling, added a nice bit of immersion.CarnageHeart

Removing the dismemberment was an epic mistake.

Even with shallow combat, employing the same type of limb-removal system found in NGII would have added some serious mileage to the proceedings. Even though I think NGII is an overall inferior game to NGB, the dismemberment and gore felt so right thematically and was so viscerally satisfying that it made it difficult to go back and play the previous game.

Hayashi was very foolish to remove it. (Then again, he largely removed it from Sigma 2)

And I couldn't agree more that this is solid 20 dollar game. I made the leap due to my devotion to the series but for most a weekend rental or the discount bin will suffice.

What really sucks about this whole Itagaki thing is that not only would he have made NGIII awesome, I seriously doubt NGII would have been nearly as unpolished had he not been on his way out the door.

Can you imagine what NGII would have been with another few months of tweaking?

After the success of NG1 Itagaki coasted, doing fawning interviews with journalists who took nonsense they once laughed at seriously (or at least respectfully), making the DOA games, and making games for people with a fetish for polygonal breasts (some would argue that's the same thing but DOA is solid fighter).

The only hope for Devil's Third (in terms of quality, its commercial prospects are incredibly bleak) is that right now he isn't in a position where a company is going to just throw money at him to do whatever he wants.

I actually think Itagaki's skills match his arrogance. NGB is still unmatched in many regards and while NGII was clearly damaged by his exodus from Tecmo the core of that game is simply brilliant and shames most action games in comparison.

Also, despite whatever issues the tournament community may have with DOA, I personally have been playing the genre since its inception and the DOA games contain fluidity and a pace that is entirely different than any other series out there. There's an almost sublime flow to the mechanics of his games (sans the Volleyball crap) that few designers can even approach.

The man is an auteur; he takes his time and makes his games his way and he has little regard for the opinions of others. Like Kubrick his work is a direct product of his myopic attitude towards his craft but such an approach also makes both he and his product an object of polarization.

Personally I think Devil's Third has the potential to be brilliant but I'm a lifelong admirer of most things Itagaki.

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#50 metalgrinch
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Ok look everyone, here is the basic truth regarding the current gen Ninja Gaiden games:

Ninja Gaiden, NG Black, NGSigma (I'm excluding NG 2)were all BRILLANTLY designed games by original developer Tomonobu Itagaki, who also designed the Dead or Alive games, and was the head of Team Ninja for the original game back in 2003/2004. The game was VERY challenging, forcing the player to use actual thinking skills and varied combat strategies throughout the game, EVEN for regular foes (not even just for boss fights). The original Ninja Gaiden for Xbox was really, REALLY hard. You could be completely wiped out by normal enemies on the very first level, shocking the player by surprising him with enemies that had actual skill at the same or beyond Ryu's level, and of course dependent on the player's ability. These games were NOT made for casual players who just wanted something fun to fill their weekend. Not only that, but the sheer amount of weapons and varied upgrades and new skills acquired, as well as magic abilities, gave the player an incredible library of weapons and attacks to choose from, and also being FORCED to actually use ALL of them in order to survive the stunninginly well crafted and challenging gameplay. The game's puzzle elements were also great, breaking up the pace and giving the player a chance to use some puzzle solving skills. Needless to say, I really really loved this game. Plus, the game was just bloody enough to be entertaining but didn't go as ridiculously over the top as NG 2.

Now NG 2 was a different story. Itagaki left Team Ninja and was no longer head programmer of this sequel. As soon as I heard this I wasn't holding many expectations for NG 2. Now, only owning a PS3 I played NG Sigma 2, and was disappointed that Team Ninja had decided to basically do away with all the blood and gory goodness for this PS3 port. Why? Not sure, but the Xbox version sure was violent, so I figured I'd play it and try to enjoy it besides the blood. ...only thing was, this didn't feel better or at least the same as the first game. The bloodless action took away from the atmosphere. I didn't feel very bada** or strong considering how clean everything was. Not only that, but the game became a typical hack and slash, taking Ryu from room to room, throwing enemies at him, only to have him progress a few steps and do it all over again. The enemies were MUCH easier to defeat this time around. So much thata casual button masher would be able to get through them, only being relatively challenged by the boss fights. I myself died only during the first boss fight once. On the second level my then 5 year old cousin played for a few minutes and was able to beat out 2 hordes of enemies, simply by button mashing. No joke. The challenge was gone, replaced by much easier enemies, MUCH less puzzle segments and a very annoying and relentlessly bad techno soundtrack that tried to make things hyped up to build tension and speed, but just came off as annoying. The artistic merit andninja stealth atmosphere was mostly gone. Was the game bad? No, just didn't improve on the original one bit, except for maybe slightly better graphics. Maybe.

Now we have NG 3, which I don't own but was excited for... yet now I don'tEVER plan on buying this, not even at a bargin bin price, if only for protest.Though many people get angry with these Gamespot and IGN reviewers, let's get real here. Reviewers are not going to just forcefully give a game average to bad reviews if the game was actually good. Games like Devil May Cry 1, 3, Batman Arkham, and God of War games were all given rave reviews by the same websites and critics. Why? Because those games were GREAT. They are fun, engaging and technically and creatively very well crafted. I myself don't bother buying games that are given mixed to negative reviews by gaming sites, especially if they all collectivelysay it's bad.Not only that, but everydayplayers on Amazon have also given NG 3 negative reviews. Ifa game that costs $60, or even $30 does not get stellar reviews by the majority of places, and the game does not have some sort of camp or cult status factor (i.e. Evil Dead games, Psychonauts, etc.), I won't buy it. Game critics are not the same as movie critics, so it's not a matter of critics giving fun and entertaining movies bad reviews and artsy fartsy snore fests good reviews. Gamers know what good games are, and granted gaming sites play games continuously for a living, these guys on top of anyone should be the first reviews to be taken seriously. I myself don't even take Amazon reviews seriously because so many people rate things way too high on there... hence the BAD reviews on Amazon only go to show that NG 3 truly is not a very good game. So get mad at the websites all you want, because even though Ryu is a killer awesome character and one of my faves in gaming, does not make him immune tosubstandard game designers, lame ideas and flawed execution.

I mean, look at the Sonic games. Tons of people love Sonic , but that doesn't mean that the slew of games on the current gen systems weren't average to crap.

My advice to new NG gamers who want a challenge... ONLY buy the original NG and Sigma I, and even the PS Vita NG Sigma game, ignore all the others. Unless Itagaki comes back and head designs, NG games will continue to follow this path of average to crap. It's akin to Cliff Blaszinski leaving the Gears of War franchise and giving it over to some no-name amateurs. Would YOU readily buy a Gears of War game NOT head designed by Blaszinski? Or a 1st party Mario game not headed by Shigeru Miyamoto, or at least with a significant hand and say in its design? Or a Metal Gear Solid game not headed by Hideo Kojima? I didn't expect the same for Ninja Gaiden, and I was right.