OMFG!! "HATRED"!!! Makes "Postal" look like a PG-13 Game! Your thoughts on it ?

I approve.

The concept of indiscriminate killing in video games is nothing new. You experience it in many games you play albeit with a more polished look. That doesn't make it different at all. The concept is still true regardless of how gritty or how polished something looks to be. Adding a story to the process doesn't change anything either. People are sheep and look for the media and other groups to tell them how to feel.

The most violent game of this year?

discussion-wars already begun in some forums, people claim this game is so "evil" because your actual goal is to kill innocents

i say "go to hell you morons!", only because you CAN KILL innocents in GTA doesnt mean its any better (from a moral point of view) than a game where you MUST KILL innocents

but this or that...its juts a friggin game for god´s sake! people who dont know the difference shouldnt play those games in the first place and also....better not join those discussions with their retarded views on moral and videogames.

This game probably sucks big time, it`s made only for the intention to make publicity and with the publicity bad or good they will earn money even if it`s a crappy game and im 100% sure it`s a crappy game. Nice marketing strategy though.

None of the choices express how I feel about the game. I don't mind violence in games, but the game doesn't look fun.

If all the game has going for it is that it's hyper-violent, then it's not the game for me. I don't mind it being out there. I don't mind people buying it. If the game is out there and it doesn't sell, then the media can end their war on gamers being violence junkies. If it sells very well and no mass murder is found to own a copy, then the media can stop blaming games for violence IRL. And if the game doesn't sell well and one of the few people that bought it goes on a real-life rampage, then we as a culture along with the industry will have a chance to step back and take a look at our medium and have a very needed discussion about how games affect real life.

I like fun games, and violence is sometimes a means to that end. Experiencing violence isn't the end, just the means. If the developer is trying to send some sort of message, I commend them. If not, I still respect their right to make the game they want to make.

Didn't like the edgy narration, but damn this looks like over the top insane fun :D

This is simply too much for me. I enjoy playing violent games but they all consist of perpetrating violence against monsters, zombies, and bad guys. Seeing someone shove a gun in some innocent woman's mouth and blow her brains out as she begs for her life is simply too disturbing for me to consider fun. Hearing the main character's motivations in the beginning doesn't help much either. This just all seems wrong to me, certainly not something that I'd seek out to play.

@Archangel3371: Pretty much sums up my feelings. Not for me.

I'd say I don't care for the game because it doesn't look to be any good GAMEPLAY-wise. I willl not begin to make justifications for accepting violence in some video games instead of others because to me it's a dead argument... One that should cause many a "foot-in-mouth" syndrome to a lot of gamers if the comments section of the vid is any indication. I swear I haven't heard the phrase "justified killing/violence" in a gaming forum in all my years of gaming.

its far too eary to say that this game would suck, there are too many questins of what you actually have to do in the game and how the game mechanics work.

me for my part i dont only look forward to this game because of its over-the-top-brutality but also because i am a fan of top-down/isometric shooters and since there are mostly strategy games in that perspective and less shooters so after a long time this seems to be da shit again

i just remember THE EXPENDABLES 2 (isometric shooter) which i looked forward too but got really disappointed...ive never played such a mess of a game and even if HATRED turns out to be as well as messy then well...there is still the gore/brutality factor for which i am playing the game then, just to look what fucked up things happen or what i can do

Its so funny to hear the comments to this game (which 99.9999% most likely never will be released and this techdemo is just there to stir up some publicity) when the same people probably sat down and enjoyed a few GTA games, Hotline Miami and tons of other games where you kill innocent bits/bytes

Echoing this statement. Here's the thing. I love violent video games myself. Hell, Manhunt was one of my favorite games on the PS2, but they had purpose. You were torturing other murders trying to kill you. There was some kind of need to defend yourself. Sure, it promoted torture, but again, there was purpose.

I don't see any purpose in this game. All I see is this game trying to capitalize on shock value from an already stigmatized society regarding mass murders. Do we really need to keep pushing the envelope with games like these? How soon will hear about the next mass shooter who got his inspiration from this game?

Let it be made. I just hope it doesn't sell.

It's natural for people to have limitations. Playing GTA or Hotline Miami doesn't mean that one will find all kinds of violence acceptable. I'm not sure if this game will have children and babies to kill but why not go all the way then and put mothers pushing strollers and make so you can yank the baby out, grab it by the ankles, and repeatedly smash it into a bloody pulp on the pavement. It would certainly fall within this game's character's mo. After all it's just bits/bytes right?

Looks fun.

you werent even killing monsters, zombies or bad guys, you werent killing someone or something at all

you just pressed buttons, the software kicked in and the pixels moved, that what you saw on the screen didnt actually happen

ok seriously now, so you say killing bad guys is ok then ? well who really decides if someone is bad and deserves to die ?

those bad guys also have family and are probably only bad guys because life treated them bad (are we still talking about characters in videogames now ?), so actually its not a good thing at all to kill those, and if you think its totally ok to kill people only because they are bad (no matter if real or in videogames only), then youre no way better than the killer in HATRED

what in gods name are you guys talking about ???? are you even aware of how stupid this looks like ???

so in your opinion, KILLING is only ok when there is a PURPOSE behind it.

well the killer in HATRED also has a purpose, he is so much full of hate that he decided to kill everyone, well that should be purpose enough

Not my thing. Pass.

Eh. Seems to be a grab for publicity and I really couldn't care less about it.

haha man i thought the same thing, i just hope i am wrong and this aint only a tech demo to stir shit up...which they really did according to google

i just googled after "hatred videogame" and google spit out 18 sites full of 1h to 2 days old entries regarding this game where people argue and tell how shocked they are about this game, i am sure it will sell like hell

so lets pretend the game will be actually good, i think the mag reviews will be negative because they just will not admit to having fun with "such a game".

When you're calm, we can debate.

the shock value murdering innocents has kind of takes the focus off that the game itself looks pretty shit

I would't mind a game where I can go after the psychopath in the Hatred game. I have played "bad guys" in some RPGs (i.e. the Infamous games) but there was an effort to give the character a morality. This looks like it would get old quick.

I get the feeling that a lot of people find this deplorable, not because of its violence or content, but because it shows what violent video games are like when you strip away meaning, purpose and intent; completely fucked up.

@sabretooth2066: There's a big difference between killing zombies, monsters, and bad guys in games because they are out to kill you as well instead of just killing random innocents in a number of gruesome ways.

Saying that playing games is just pressing buttons and manipulating pixels is a terrible defense. Why play games at all if that is all you see it as? Games like other forms of entertainment also provide different feelings and emotional responses.

As for who decides who's good or bad and deserves killing that's all about the context of the game.

The death is coming Q2 2015 !

An interview with the devs would be interesting......i'd approve this if there was sth meaningful behind this slaughter ....the game itself doesn't look much promising tho.

Definitely a purchase for me, as I'm always up for a bit of wanton mayhem and carnage. Don't think I'll go out in the real world on a killing spree either, as I've been gaming for twenty nine odd years now and haven't had any sort of murderous episode yet. What I find myself really interested with this is the destruction they showed when he began using the shotgun on the wall/door of whatever building he was in, as I've always been a big fan of environmental destruction in games, ala Red Faction.

It's cool that the developers are doing the game that they want to make but that main character's emo attitude doesn't entice me one bit. Pass.

And why is a game being disturbing a bad thing? Fiction based on serial killers or mass murderers has existed for years. Why is it any worse when it's in game form?

I can understand you not liking the game, but has it ever occurred to you that maybe people like to be disturbed?

Nailed it.

@toast_burner: I never said that someone else couldn't enjoy this just that I find it too disturbing for myself to get any kind of enjoyment from it. I do believe that there are differences between active and passive forms of entertainment. I have watched movies and shows about serial killers and mass murderers before and to the best of my knowledge there's usually some kind of context or sub-context that makes it feel different then what I've seen from this game. Personally this simply just looks to be disturbingly violent for the sake of it.

I love violent, gory video games but atleast when Im playing that, whatever Im shooting at is trying to kill me also. This "game" does nothing to even try to justify the violence. Perhaps Im getting too soft, but I will not be playing this game.

Edit- Looking over other posts, I just want to say this; Anybody else want to play it, fine by me. It's great if you want to play it, Im just saying I dont want to play it.

Yes its natural to have limits and standards but in this case those limits and standards are double and its hiliarious to see the same people who have praised GTA, Hotline Miami or tons of other violent games for the violence and mayhem because they hid it behind a veil of PC´ness and social commentary.

If this developer had come out and said that this game is made because they want to make a statement against the pointless trend of more and more graphic violence, noone would have said a bad thing and it would have been praised by most liberal gaming media.

Looks like a throwback to the first Postal game, If it does come out ( Although I suspect it'll be like the Manhunt games where several countries ban it and you need to get it either online and whatnot, or they demand a censorship of the violence) I'm sure some will enjoy it.

I remember being in 4th grade and someone telling me about Mortal Kombat and my mind was completely blown at how over the top the gore and violence was. This game triggers that same thing for me. Like someone said how can we make the most brutal depraved Mortal Kombat shit possible that will still shock people in an age where most popular games are ridiculously violent and kids can go on YouTube and see a real person getting beheaded.

The game certainly isn't for everyone but I could see myself playing it. I hope it gets a chance to come out. I'd buy it on a Steam sale.

How is this a double standard? This is a more graphic level of violence then GTA or any other game that I can ever recall. GTA doesn't ever era on the side of political correctness. Also this isn't about PC or liberal gaming media this simply about something being flatout disturbing. What's with people always pointing to PC'ness or "liberal gaming media" just because someone finds something objectional? It's become a go to statement for any and everything and it's old.

If this was to make some kind of statement about the trend of graphic violence then either there's more that I'd have to see or know about the game to understand it or they've simply made a game purposely repulsive so as to hope that people don't play it or don't enjoy playing and that would be a weird thing to do unless they don't care about making any money from it.

ah i see, escaping through the emergency exit now

anyway kid, you cant debate if your life depends on it, its clear from your paradox point of view you just gave here...you know..."its only ok to kill as long a purpose is behind it" ;-)

game doesnt looks too good but i like violant games and i would play this, also i wish more games allowed us to kill everyone, even children, as a option. (not forcing us)

edt.

also i liked this guys response for zoomintv saying this game is too much

''Who cares? boundaries need to be pushed for the medium to mature. I'm tired of censorship''

i agree with that statement, also if you guys dont like this game dont buy it, so it becomes a financal failure, so there wont be other games like this. Censoring this would be an insult for people who can make their own desicions imo.

I feel absolutely awful and depraved for saying so and I've no excuse in my reasoning, but I'm interested in this. However I have a suspicion that this will never see the light of day. I don't believe Steam nor GoG would wish to be affiliated with such a title. It'll probably have to be pirated.

It looks terrible. There are games that handle subject matter similar to this with more style and finesse, e.g, Hotline Miami; however, Hotline Miami's characters and scenarios are set up to be reprehensible; this just seems like it's rewarding and praising the character for a killing spree.

I'm going to humor you, at the risk of wasting my time.

Do you know what fighting a war is? It's defense. Defense of your country. Defense of yourself. Killing people is an unfortunate ugliness in war. Kill before you are killed. Most games give you a reason to kill, usually to defend yourself. To defend your people. To defend your land. It's to defeat a great evil, or correct a grievous wrong. If you're a hero in a game, whether it's Call of Duty or God of War, you are fighting your enemies, people who wish to cause you harm, or harm to people you care about.

Games like GTA have innocent killing, yes, but that's entirely optional and the game itself is not rooted around killing innocents. You're actually penalized for killing with a wanted level, and the more you kill, the more cops arrive and the harder it is to survive. You eventually die and you lose everything you had, so you resume playing the rest of the game. The killing of innocents in games like GTA is fleeting.

Hatred, however, is an entirely different beast. Just THINKING of wanting to play a game where I have absolutely no reason to harm innocents repulses me. Honestly, ask yourself WHY you play a game that glorifies mass murders. Why do you want to pretend you're some Dyland Klebold or some James Holmes or some Nathan Dunlap? Do you have no empathy for the victims on the other side of these shootings? Can you honestly not seeing anything wrong in killing people who have not harmed you in the slightest? Would you play a game where you can fly airliners through skyscrapers?

The protagonist of Hatred has no natural enemies. He makes them up as he sees them. He has no one to protect. No one's threatening him. There is no purpose, no reason to his killing. You may say that he's just filled with hatred, and that's his purpose. I say that purpose is so awful and morally reprehensible that it might as well be no purpose at all.

If you still think this game is completely fine to play, where do you draw the line exactly? If the game made you kill babies, you would you kill them? If it made you rape old women, you would you rape them? Would you pick up a shotgun and go into an elementary school and kill as many children as you can hoping for a kill streak? Would you even try to rape one of the dead school children? if you answer yes to any of these, just because it's a video game, you are disturbed. You are going past the cathartic release of playing a violent video game into indulging sadistic psychopathic fantasies.

tl;dr version. Give me a gun and have me point at someone who's going to kill me or someone I care about and I will kill them. Give me a gun and have me point at someone who is no threat to me, I'll give it back to you and say you're crazy.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/17/6994921/hatred-the-polygon-interview

edgy.

I wonder if any mainstream news media outlets will pick this as a story..............

How can i game about human insanity suck haha

My issue with his interview is this.

So the spark that was present in Doom, Kingpin or Postal was lost somewhere in the process. Those games had no limits. So we've decided to rebel against this overall trend and go back to the roots. Create a game, that we want to play and not the one that will try to please anybody's expectations.

Does he not know that games continue to stay controversial? The spark never died. I wish it could die, so people would stop blaming the damn games every time a shooting actually happens. This game is only going to make things worse.

Our target is basically a gamer that is coming home after a long, tiring and overall a shitty working day. So we give him the opportunity to just sit by his computer and let some of the steam go by shooting NPCs and destroying the level.

That's all we need. More fuel to the fire. This sounds EXACTLY what an angry gamer needs who hates his job, his girlfriend and his parents. By blowing off steam, someone's going to end up snapping and actually do this for real. Not saying this game will be the cause, but I can see it being a catalyst. And when that happens, this game will be looked at and the very thing these developers are rebelling against finally becomes the push to censor games even more. Pushing the envelope is fine, but even then, there should be limits.

@JustPlainLucas: The spark did die a lot since 2005-06. ther was nothing to make me go WTF or something. Even media didnt catch on crusading against many games. GTA IV did get a bit but still nothing.