PS1 > Everything

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[QUOTE="sayyy-gaa"] I realize this isn't system wars, but I disagree with almost everything you wrote. First off, the SNES was graphically superior to the Genesis(this coming from a Sega fanboy*points at name*). I don't think the jump from PS1 was all that eye popping. To me, the jump was gradual. From PS1 to DC was eyepopping and from DC to PS2 was minimal. However, I think the jump from SNES era to PS era was most eyepopping. Many of us tend to forget what an awesome jump that was and how awesome 3d was at the time. I remember seing Gran Turismo for PS and Bloody Roar for N64 and thinking we had reached the pinnacle of graphic achievement. It is all flat textures and muted palettes now, but it was HUGE at the time man. Heirren

Indeed it was awesome. I don't think we'll ever have as huge of a graphical jump as we did from the 16-bit era to the first 3D systems (PSX, Saturn, N64 & 3DO). Most of us gaming at the time had to change our entire gaming habits and the way we played a game because all the rules suddenly changed.

I don't know about that anymore. The jump from nes to snes was huge. I can remember being amazed at what was to come--the backs of game boxes, and overall what was delivered seemed perfect a lot of the times. The jump from snes to playstation was big as well, but you have to remember that Arcades were huge around this time as well. There were already far better looking driving and fighting games around. I can remember thinking even originally that a lot of playstation games looked bad and played clumsy. It really wasn't until Mario 64 arrived where the controls began to change. This is why N64 was a better console than the playstation, it just pushed things forward more.

I enjoyed the N64 a lot more than PS1. And there were quite some PS1 ports for the PC.

nameless12345

imo the PC received a lot of ports from all 3 consoles

anyway, for me, Fear Effect 2 is not only the best game on the system, but it's also the game that had the best graphics on the system

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

I enjoyed the N64 a lot more than PS1. And there were quite some PS1 ports for the PC.

ohthemanatee

imo the PC received a lot of ports from all 3 consoles

The least from the N64. But they did make a functional N64 emulator in 1999 (Ultra HLE) if that counts.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

I enjoyed the N64 a lot more than PS1. And there were quite some PS1 ports for the PC.

nameless12345

imo the PC received a lot of ports from all 3 consoles

The least from the N64. But they did make a functional N64 emulator in 1999 (Ultra HLE) if that counts.

yeah.. truth be told right now I can only think of Turok, Turok 2, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, star Wars: Shadow of the Empire and Star Wars: Battle for Naboo

the PS1 and the satturn though and a huge ammount of "exclusives" ported to the PC

[QUOTE="Microsteve"]PS1 was a terrible console the tech just wasn't good enough for 3D yet IMHOM3tr4nk0

The fact that it wasn't very powerful doesn't make it terrible. For instance, the Wii is the least powerful console this gen. Do you consider itterrible?

[QUOTE="M3tr4nk0"]

[QUOTE="Microsteve"]PS1 was a terrible console the tech just wasn't good enough for 3D yet IMHO0Hamburgher

The fact that it wasn't very powerful doesn't make it terrible. For instance, the Wii is the least powerful console this gen. Do you consider itterrible?

[QUOTE="0Hamburgher"][QUOTE="M3tr4nk0"]

The fact that it wasn't very powerful doesn't make it terrible. For instance, the Wii is the least powerful console this gen. Do you consider itterrible?

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="0Hamburgher"] Yes I do0Hamburgher

The PS1 is my favorite console of all time i miss that time :p

I don't care what anyone says;

PS1>N64

PS2>Gamecube

PS3>Wii

PSP>DS

IMO. *gets flame shield ready!*

I don't care what anyone says;

PS1>N64

PS2>Gamecube

PS3>Wii

PSP>DS

IMO. *gets flame shield ready!*

samanthademeste

Personally I agree with all those

although....

xbox 360 > PS3 imo

PC > All

the PS1 on the other hand is more like the X360, a quite powerful and simple console which is easy to make games for.Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]the PS1 on the other hand is more like the X360, a quite powerful and simple console which is easy to make games for.codezer0

I assumed assembly wasnt used for the PS1, since as you said, it was supposed to work well with C language.

then again , Sony's claims regarding the PS1's specs were quite false , so for all I know that claim could be false as well.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]the PS1 on the other hand is more like the X360, a quite powerful and simple console which is easy to make games for.codezer0

While you have good points, and that the PSX was not easy to develop for, from what I understand the Saturn was far more difficult to develop for to be honest...I have a friend who worked for EA, and he said that Madden was simply a ***ch to put on the Saturn as opposed to the PSX.

I don't know about Madden , but the EA FIFA games on the Saturn look and run badly, its a lousy porting job. Tecmo's Go Go Goal on the Saturn is a better example of how to make a Saturn football game

compare

FIFA 98 on the Saturn

Go Go Goal on the Saturn

I don't know about Madden , but the EA FIFA games on the Saturn look and run badly, its a lousy porting job. Tecmo's Go Go Goal on the Saturn is a better example of how to make a Saturn football game

Darkman2007

From what I understand too for the most part they would develop on the PSX and then port it over to the Saturn afterwards. So maybe thats another reason why the games suffered because each console the PSX and Saturn in question did things better then the other in one area or the other. In the end, the guy who brought up the stats saying it was hard in general to develop for the PSX, but what mattered is it may have been hard, but it was not easier to develop for then the Saturn was.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

I don't know about Madden , but the EA FIFA games on the Saturn look and run badly, its a lousy porting job. Tecmo's Go Go Goal on the Saturn is a better example of how to make a Saturn football game

TheTrueMagusX1

From what I understand too for the most part they would develop on the PSX and then port it over to the Saturn afterwards. So maybe thats another reason why the games suffered because each console the PSX and Saturn in question did things better then the other in one area or the other. In the end, the guy who brought up the stats saying it was hard in general to develop for the PSX, but what mattered is it may have been hard, but it was not easier to develop for then the Saturn was.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

I don't know about Madden , but the EA FIFA games on the Saturn look and run badly, its a lousy porting job. Tecmo's Go Go Goal on the Saturn is a better example of how to make a Saturn football game

Darkman2007

From what I understand too for the most part they would develop on the PSX and then port it over to the Saturn afterwards. So maybe thats another reason why the games suffered because each console the PSX and Saturn in question did things better then the other in one area or the other. In the end, the guy who brought up the stats saying it was hard in general to develop for the PSX, but what mattered is it may have been hard, but it was not easier to develop for then the Saturn was.

Yep your exactly right. I thought it was always interesting to compare ports and games on the Saturn and PSX because they are so different. Dead or Alive is interesting to compare notes on. Another game thats interestng is Megaman 8, which not only features two minibosses, that were not in the PSX but its interesting to see how each port runs on the respective platform.

some pics from both versions of DOA

Saturn PS1

its arguable which version actually looks better.

The backgrounds were completly changed for the PS1 version , which is why they look different (and worse imo , as they are less complex)

The backgrounds were completly changed for the PS1 version , which is why they look different (and worse imo , as they are less complex)

Darkman2007

I agree on the backgrounds the textures on the backgrounds for the PSX look rather rough. However though the character models though the PSX has the edge for me. The Character models look like they have far smoother textures on them and not nearly as visible pixelization as the Saturn version does. I wonder who the frame rate runs on both version, and I am curious now if one features smoother framerate then the other. Great comparisons though.....

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

The backgrounds were completly changed for the PS1 version , which is why they look different (and worse imo , as they are less complex)

TheTrueMagusX1

I agree on the backgrounds the textures on the backgrounds for the PSX look rather rough. However though the character models though the PSX has the edge for me. The Character models look like they have far smoother textures on them and not nearly as visible pixelization as the Saturn version does. I wonder who the frame rate runs on both version, and I am curious now if one features smoother framerate then the other. Great comparisons though.....

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

The backgrounds were completly changed for the PS1 version , which is why they look different (and worse imo , as they are less complex)

Darkman2007

I agree on the backgrounds the textures on the backgrounds for the PSX look rather rough. However though the character models though the PSX has the edge for me. The Character models look like they have far smoother textures on them and not nearly as visible pixelization as the Saturn version does. I wonder who the frame rate runs on both version, and I am curious now if one features smoother framerate then the other. Great comparisons though.....

Thats interesting. DOA is interesting to examine for those that look at Ports, especially for ports of two vastly different consoles. We also cannot forget too that the Saturn also ran Virtua Fighter 2 quite well.

a few more pics

Saturn PS1

from what I understand (through an interview with the creator of DOA) , the Saturn version does push more polygons, , but there are various effects used in the PS1 not present in the Saturn version

The best looking game on the Saturn was probably Shenmue , even if was eventually cancelled for the Saturn.

The best looking game on the Saturn was probably Shenmue , even if was eventually cancelled for the Saturn.

Darkman2007

Yeah I have seen the Shenmue Saturn shots, and they donot look bad at all. I wonder what would have happened if Shenmue was on the Saturn?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

The best looking game on the Saturn was probably Shenmue , even if was eventually cancelled for the Saturn.

TheTrueMagusX1

Yeah I have seen the Shenmue Saturn shots, and they donot look bad at all. I wonder what would have happened if Shenmue was on the Saturn?

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

The best looking game on the Saturn was probably Shenmue , even if was eventually cancelled for the Saturn.

Darkman2007

Yeah I have seen the Shenmue Saturn shots, and they donot look bad at all. I wonder what would have happened if Shenmue was on the Saturn?

Thats true, and the other thing too thats interesting is I think Shenmue would still have the following it does today if it was on the Saturn. Oh well, now maybe I should be playing some Shenmue 2 since I am too lazy to dig out the original Shenmue and my Dreamcast.

Last Bronx on the Saturn.

for some reason , GS didn't think much of these graphics,

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

Yeah I have seen the Shenmue Saturn shots, and they donot look bad at all. I wonder what would have happened if Shenmue was on the Saturn?

TheTrueMagusX1

Thats true, and the other thing too thats interesting is I think Shenmue would still have the following it does today if it was on the Saturn. Oh well, now maybe I should be playing some Shenmue 2 since I am too lazy to dig out the original Shenmue and my Dreamcast.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Well the game was close to completion on the Saturn , so I can assume it would have been out in 1999 at most, but even then Sega had already abandoned the Saturn. That said , Shenmue would have disproved the overexaggerated myth that the Saturn can't run decent 3D games, I mean games like DOA , Last Bronx and Panzer Saga already disprove that myth, but Shenmue would have done the trick for sure. the ironic thing is, they expected the DC to outsell the Saturn , but both sold around 10 million units each, so if one failed , so did the other.Darkman2007

Thats true, and the other thing too thats interesting is I think Shenmue would still have the following it does today if it was on the Saturn. Oh well, now maybe I should be playing some Shenmue 2 since I am too lazy to dig out the original Shenmue and my Dreamcast.

Yep that I do and I can play it on my 360, however though, i wish I could get an original Dreamcast version of the game. That would be awesome, I bet it cost you some to import it though huh.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

Thats true, and the other thing too thats interesting is I think Shenmue would still have the following it does today if it was on the Saturn. Oh well, now maybe I should be playing some Shenmue 2 since I am too lazy to dig out the original Shenmue and my Dreamcast.

TheTrueMagusX1

Yep that I do and I can play it on my 360, however though, i wish I could get an original Dreamcast version of the game. That would be awesome, I bet it cost you some to import it though huh.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I suppose you own Shenmue 2 on the Xbox? I own both Shenmue 1 and 2 on the Dreamcast, great games.Darkman2007

Yep that I do and I can play it on my 360, however though, i wish I could get an original Dreamcast version of the game. That would be awesome, I bet it cost you some to import it though huh.

Hey thats cool you guys got the original version. Oh well atleast we got the game in one form or the other. So I will have to import it here someday.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

Yep that I do and I can play it on my 360, however though, i wish I could get an original Dreamcast version of the game. That would be awesome, I bet it cost you some to import it though huh.

TheTrueMagusX1

Hey thats cool you guys got the original version. Oh well atleast we got the game in one form or the other. So I will have to import it here someday.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] actually no , I didn't import it, Shenmue 2 was released here on the Dreamcast, it has the Japanese voice acting, but English subs. the reason the US didn't get the DC version , was because Microsoft bought up the exclusive rights to the game in the US. you could import the DC version from over here.Darkman2007

Hey thats cool you guys got the original version. Oh well atleast we got the game in one form or the other. So I will have to import it here someday.

Yeah they used the same voice acting from the original Shenmue which I donot know why, becuase it was just as bad...though its not the worse voice acting out there. That goes to another Sega game, House of the Dead 2.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

Hey thats cool you guys got the original version. Oh well atleast we got the game in one form or the other. So I will have to import it here someday.

TheTrueMagusX1

Yeah they used the same voice acting from the original Shenmue which I donot know why, becuase it was just as bad...though its not the worse voice acting out there. That goes to another Sega game, House of the Dead 2.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] the game even has a 50/60Hz option , so US gamers can play the game without the picture going all funny. the Xbox version looks a little nicer, but the voice acting.....ugh, its terrible.Darkman2007

Yeah they used the same voice acting from the original Shenmue which I donot know why, becuase it was just as bad...though its not the worse voice acting out there. That goes to another Sega game, House of the Dead 2.

I think both the original and the second one had abad acting. I think people who say that Symphony of the night or Megaman 8 had the worst voice acting should look at those games. Granted SoTN original PSX and Megaman 8 had terrible voice acting they were no where near as bad as the HoTD games.

While you have good points, and that the PSX was not easy to develop for, from what I understand the Saturn was far more difficult to develop for to be honest...I have a friend who worked for EA, and he said that Madden was simply a ***ch to put on the Saturn as opposed to the PSX.

TheTrueMagusX1

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

While you have good points, and that the PSX was not easy to develop for, from what I understand the Saturn was far more difficult to develop for to be honest...I have a friend who worked for EA, and he said that Madden was simply a ***ch to put on the Saturn as opposed to the PSX.

codezer0

Yeah again your right, but from what my friend told me the problem with the Saturn was configuring 3 Dimensions as opposed to do it on the PSX. The PSX was a bit more powerful in that department and it was easy to configure it, but when it came to do doing say 3D effects in a game, and even if it was a port, it was alot harder then one would think.

[QUOTE="codezer0"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

While you have good points, and that the PSX was not easy to develop for, from what I understand the Saturn was far more difficult to develop for to be honest...I have a friend who worked for EA, and he said that Madden was simply a ***ch to put on the Saturn as opposed to the PSX.

TheTrueMagusX1

Yeah again your right, but from what my friend told me the problem with the Saturn was configuring 3 Dimensions as opposed to do it on the PSX. The PSX was a bit more powerful in that department and it was easy to configure it, but when it came to do doing say 3D effects in a game, and even if it was a port, it was alot harder then one would think.

I assumed assembly wasnt used for the PS1, since as you said, it was supposed to work well with C language.

then again , Sony's claims regarding the PS1's specs were quite false , so for all I know that claim could be false as well.

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

The best looking game on the Saturn was probably Shenmue , even if was eventually cancelled for the Saturn.

Darkman2007

Yeah I have seen the Shenmue Saturn shots, and they donot look bad at all. I wonder what would have happened if Shenmue was on the Saturn?

much in the same way that many 3D GBA games were canceled which looked amazing, a few examples:

Radium

Resident Evil 2

GTA clone

Quake

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

I assumed assembly wasnt used for the PS1, since as you said, it was supposed to work well with C language.

then again , Sony's claims regarding the PS1's specs were quite false , so for all I know that claim could be false as well.

ohthemanatee

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

Yeah I have seen the Shenmue Saturn shots, and they donot look bad at all. I wonder what would have happened if Shenmue was on the Saturn?

ohthemanatee

much in the same way that many 3D GBA games were canceled which looked amazing, a few examples:

Radium

Resident Evil 2

GTA clone

Quake

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]can you provide me an example of a game that uses lightsourcing and one that doesn't? i'm not a very tech savy guy :oops:Darkman2007

I was just speaking in general, seeing as I have no idea what a lightsourcing polygon is