Resident Evil 6 is not a poor game.

Some of you should learn not to fuss so much about others' opinions on games.

Also, some of you should learn not to kick up a storm over arbitrarily assigned numbers. The numbers are only there for people who are too lazy to read.

Getting hung up on numbers is even worse than getting hung up on reviews, but I didn't think much of RE6 after playing the demo (of course I didn't buy the full game because if one doesn't enjoy the demo there is no sense in buying the full game). Here are my old (and current) thoughts on the demo.

I like the variety and commend Capcom for offering such a meaty demo, but the graphics were too dark, the controls too mushy, the camera was too close and too spastic and the AI of the enemies which were supposed to be intelligent is terrible. I might pick this up at a reduced price but $60 is too much.

CarnageHeart

Some of you should learn not to fuss so much about others' opinions on games.

Also, some of you should learn not to kick up a storm over arbitrarily assigned numbers. The numbers are only there for people who are too lazy to read.

Gelugon_baat

I would say that the fact that numbers do seem arbitrary even when you DO read the reviews is a pretty good reason to "kick up a storm".  When the review itself and the number score seem to be in direct conflict with eachother It's a problem.

Some of you should learn not to fuss so much about others' opinions on games.

Also, some of you should learn not to kick up a storm over arbitrarily assigned numbers. The numbers are only there for people who are too lazy to read.

Gelugon_baat

The numbers/reviews are there for people who can't make an opinion for themselves, would you believe me if three others and myself told you never to eat pizza cause it tastes bad? (fyi I love pizza).

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Some of you should learn not to fuss so much about others' opinions on games.

Also, some of you should learn not to kick up a storm over arbitrarily assigned numbers. The numbers are only there for people who are too lazy to read.

Ballroompirate

The numbers/reviews are there for people who can't make an opinion for themselves, would you believe me if three others and myself told you never to eat pizza cause it tastes bad? (fyi I love pizza).

While that can be true to a degree, a lot of people depend on reviews to determine if they want to drop $60 on a new game.  Not everyone can afford to write off that kind of purchase if the game ends up being bad, and not everyone has a means to get to try out a game shortly after release without buying it.  IIRC the average gamer only buys between 10-12 games a year, so a $60 purchase can be a big deal to them.  Reviews from video game journalists DO effect readers decisions on what games to buy.  Sites like Gamespot and their ilk are the video game news reporters, they have a responsibility to be factually accurate, and most importantly to be consistent in their processes.

I'm about to go on a bit of a tangent that isn't directly related to any one post so bare with me:

The mentality of "It's just one video game review, it doesn't matter", "They are only games for fun so who cares", "as long as you like it who cares what anyone else thinks of it" is terrible for the community and how It's perceived.  As long as the community, journalists, publishers, and developers keep pulling the "It's not really important" card to defend themselves when they get negative backlash the video game industry will never be respected.  The way sites like Gamespot present games, news, and reviews DOES matter.  What they decide to cover and how DOES matter.  Just like the decisions Microsoft and Sony are making with their new hardware matter. 

Until we start as a community and industry put on our grown-up pants and start saying that what the community, journalists, publishers, and developers do and say DOES matter, just as much as any other entertainment industry (and accept the responsibility therein) we will never be accepted by the public at large the same way movies, tv, and music is.

I would say that the fact that numbers do seem arbitrary even when you DO read the reviews is a pretty good reason to "kick up a storm".  When the review itself and the number score seem to be in direct conflict with eachother It's a problem.keech

Perhaps to you, but not to me. I don't worry about arbitrary numbers.

That said, why should you consider it a problem? Do you have a stake in the game's reception among consumers or the media? I know I don't.

The numbers/reviews are there for people who can't make an opinion for themselves...Ballroompirate

I would remind you that if they decide on anything, it's their decision - not anyone else's.

... would you believe me if three others and myself told you never to eat pizza cause it tastes bad? (fyi I love pizza).Ballroompirate

That's an extraneous statement.

While that can be true to a degree, a lot of people depend on reviews to determine if they want to drop $60 on a new game.keech

It's still their money and their decision in buying a consumer product. Why should you worry about this?

Sites like Gamespot and their ilk are the video game news reporters, they have a responsibility to be factually accurate, and most importantly to be consistent in their processes.keech

Oh, there's that argument again.

Heck knows how many times that I have heard it from people who do not realize that reviews have no more significance than just pieces of opinions.

The way sites like Gamespot present games, news, and reviews DOES matter.  What they decide to cover and how DOES matter.  Just like the decisions Microsoft and Sony are making with their new hardware matter.keech

That kind of thinking is for those who see the gaming industry as more than just suppliers of consumer products, or for people whose livelihood is tied to the future of the gaming industry.

I am neither, and you should expect that I am not the only one.

Also, I don't believe that having a passion for gaming gives one the right to demand others with the same passion to produce opinions that one would like to hear - or to put this in the florid words that such a person often uses, "consistent, factual and objective" statements.

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Some of you should learn not to fuss so much about others' opinions on games.

Also, some of you should learn not to kick up a storm over arbitrarily assigned numbers. The numbers are only there for people who are too lazy to read.

keech

The numbers/reviews are there for people who can't make an opinion for themselves, would you believe me if three others and myself told you never to eat pizza cause it tastes bad? (fyi I love pizza).

While that can be true to a degree, a lot of people depend on reviews to determine if they want to drop $60 on a new game.  Not everyone can afford to write off that kind of purchase if the game ends up being bad, and not everyone has a means to get to try out a game shortly after release without buying it.  IIRC the average gamer only buys between 10-12 games a year, so a $60 purchase can be a big deal to them.  Reviews from video game journalists DO effect readers decisions on what games to buy.  Sites like Gamespot and their ilk are the video game news reporters, they have a responsibility to be factually accurate, and most importantly to be consistent in their processes.

I'm about to go on a bit of a tangent that isn't directly related to any one post so bare with me:

The mentality of "It's just one video game review, it doesn't matter", "They are only games for fun so who cares", "as long as you like it who cares what anyone else thinks of it" is terrible for the community and how It's perceived.  As long as the community, journalists, publishers, and developers keep pulling the "It's not really important" card to defend themselves when they get negative backlash the video game industry will never be respected.  The way sites like Gamespot present games, news, and reviews DOES matter.  What they decide to cover and how DOES matter.  Just like the decisions Microsoft and Sony are making with their new hardware matter. 

Until we start as a community and industry put on our grown-up pants and start saying that what the community, journalists, publishers, and developers do and say DOES matter, just as much as any other entertainment industry (and accept the responsibility therein) we will never be accepted by the public at large the same way movies, tv, and music is.

People can still rent games from Blockbuster (if you have one in your area) or even Gamefly, can't afford renting games? I'd then suggest getting a better career.

Want something free to help you decide whether or not to buy a game?, some friendly advice follow games, look at gameplay videos/trailers on the net, build a nice bulk of genres and series you like so you know what to look for and get excited for. I'll use myself as an example, I love TPS,FPS,WRPG'S,Action Adventures,TBTS and RTS games. To further go in depth in what I look for is I'm a sci-fi,fantasy,space opera geek amongest other things that I can list, I can even go into what series/franchise I like. If people actually worked on these traits they can form their own opinions on games w/o hearing someones opinion on a game, which their tastes in games can be ether the same as yours or completely different.

If people only go by what others think of games then those people will never learn to have their own opinions on games and they will only buy what people tell them to or w/e is the highest scoring game that comes out.

If people only go by what others think of games then those people will never learn to have their own opinions on games and they will only buy what people tell them to or w/e is the highest scoring game that comes out.Ballroompirate

I find it doubtful that those who start as sheep would never learn. Regret and disappointment are very harsh but effective teachers.

People can still rent games from Blockbuster (if you have one in your area) or even Gamefly, can't afford renting games? I'd then suggest getting a better career.

Want something free to help you decide whether or not to buy a game?, some friendly advice follow games, look at gameplay videos/trailers on the net, build a nice bulk of genres and series you like so you know what to look for and get excited for. I'll use myself as an example, I love TPS,FPS,WRPG'S,Action Adventures,TBTS and RTS games. To further go in depth in what I look for is I'm a sci-fi,fantasy,space opera geek amongest other things that I can list, I can even go into what series/franchise I like. If people actually worked on these traits they can form their own opinions on games w/o hearing someones opinion on a game, which their tastes in games can be ether the same as yours or completely different.

If people only go by what others think of games then those people will never learn to have their own opinions on games and they will only buy what people tell them to or w/e is the highest scoring game that comes out.

Ballroompirate

It's not a poor game, but it is a mediocre game. Were some parts of it enjoyable? Sure. And again, I do praise Capcom for taking the PC platform more seriously given the quality of the port. But some of the glaring issues with the base game mechanics were inexcusable. The first part of the final battle in Chris's campaign had me wondering how such awful camera issues escaped quality control and game testing. And I still don't get the big deal about the online component. No one seems to actually play it and I can see why. Mercenaries just isn't any fun. RE3: Nemesis is still the best version IMO. ORC actually has  much more to offer online than RE6. Kinda sad when you think about it.

I think a 5.5-6.0 would have been a more appropriate score.

I personally think its a terrific game. A very ambitious entry in the series, sure it has it's flaws, but nowhere near as bad as GS or other websites have claimed it to be.

It's not a poor game. It's an extremely poor game. I'm still working on my first playthrough with a friend and we're going on No Hope. The only reason we're still playing is to see what happens story wise. Sadly the difficulty comes from cheap/instant deaths and bad controls that aren't suited for corridor levels.

The game deserves a 4 on all platforms.

It's not a poor game. It's an extremely poor game. I'm still working on my first playthrough with a friend and we're going on No Hope. The only reason we're still playing is to see what happens story wise. Sadly the difficulty comes from cheap/instant deaths and bad controls that aren't suited for corridor levels.

The game deserves a 4 on all platforms.

ChubbyGuy40

I personally think its a terrific game. A very ambitious entry in the series, sure it has it's flaws, but nowhere near as bad as GS or other websites have claimed it to be.Mrod1212

Your mileage may vary - especially so for you, considering your forum signature.

It is a pretty bad game. It's really unfortunate because I think the game does some really great things, the bad parts just wear it down to the point it's awful to play. I hope the negative feedback doesn't make Capcom drop the combat mechanics and controls.

That kind of thinking is for those who see the gaming industry as more than just suppliers of consumer products, or for people whose livelihood is tied to the future of the gaming industry.

I am neither, and you should expect that I am not the only one.

Also, I don't believe that having a passion for gaming gives one the right to demand others with the same passion to produce opinions that one would like to hear - or to put this in the florid words that such a person often uses, "consistent, factual and objective" statements.Gelugon_baat

I cannot disagree more.  I feel EVERY gamer has the right to expect video game journalists to be "consistent, factual, and objective", because that's what journalists are SUPPOSED to be.  It's something that is taught in journalism classes, that when reporting on a story, your personal opinion on it amounts to NOTHING.  It's the journalists job to give a factual report of the reality of the situation, nothing more.  If they want to write an opinion piece, that's what editorials are for.

I know It's not possible to be 100% objective in something like a review, but other forms of media have methods and guidelines for critics that minimize how much personal bias will impact a review.  Where as video game journalists seem more than happy to not only bring their gripes about an entire genre into a review, but also dedicate large chunks of said review to that gripe.

Go read some movie reviews from professional flim critics (ones that are more than three paragraphs long), then read video game reviews from professional video game critics.  There's a world of different in not only the method, but the amount of anecdotal personal opinion expressed between the two.

I cannot disagree more.  I feel EVERY gamer has the right to expect video game journalists to be "consistent, factual, and objective", because that's what journalists are SUPPOSED to be.keech

Yet if they believe that they already are - which is likely most of the time - what would their detractors say then? They would say that they are not, of course.

It's a matter of perspective. I happen to realize this - but I doubt that you do too.

I know It's not possible to be 100% objective in something like a review, but other forms of media have methods and guidelines for critics that minimize how much personal bias will impact a review. keech

These are guidelines that they have made and interpreted for themselves. They hold themselves responsible for their own creed, whatever that is.

That's a reality that outsiders often forget, and often attempt to impose their own creed onto others.

Go read some movie reviews from professional flim critics (ones that are more than three paragraphs long), then read video game reviews from professional video game critics.  There's a world of different in not only the method, but the amount of anecdotal personal opinion expressed between the two.keech

I have, and these differences happen to be the reason that I won't demand that game reviews be like movie reviews. They are different things to me, and I will never demand that one comes closer to the other and vice versa.

I would say this again: reviews are all opinions to me. I glean whatever I may from them and I don't expect the reviewer to tell me what I like to hear.

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Look, I will tell you this right now: I will never agree with your stand and I will never accept it, and I certainly don't expect you to agree with me.

If we are going to agree on anything, it's to agree on disagreeing.

On the other hand, don't expect to stop reminding you that not everyone sees things your way though, whenever I see you kicking up a fuss over reviews again.

Okay fine. It's piss poor.

Okay fine. It's piss poor.

wyan_

I see what you did there.

Well played, sir.  Well played. 

Like many others I too had a great time with RE 6, but it's not the way I wanted one of my favourite franchises to bow out of this generation. It was messy and unfocused, and it could really have benefited from some graphical polish (this is not Resident Evil at its prettiest by any means).

I traded my copy in a while ago but I think I'll pick this up again on the cheap in the near future. The HD update of Revelations has put me back in the survival/action horror zone.

It doesn't have the extra layer of "sheen" RE5 had, but I have yet to find any area that was ugly by any means. It seems to just have a different style than RE5, but again, I work sixty hour weeks at the store, have been for two months now, so my progress is, suffice it to say, snail like.Randolph

It's nothing game breaking, but there is a definite roughness to the environments and some of the enemies that sits uncomfortably beside RE 5 (or even 4). The character models are generally pretty good, though.

As a game I give it a solid 7.0, as a Biohazard I give it a 0. Fun mechanics, yet more of what the series does not need to properly progress. It continues to follow the crowd and get lost in the process, what the series needs is a defining experience and to find itself once again.

As a game I give it a solid 7.0, as a Biohazard I give it a 0. Fun mechanics, yet more of what the series does not need to properly progress. It continues to follow the crowd and get lost in the process, what the series needs is a defining experience and to find itself once again.

Yama