RPG battle: Bioware or Bethesda?

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#1 Black_Knight_00
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Two great RPG firms:

Bioware:

- Star Wars KOTOR
- Mass Effect
- Jade Empire
- Neverwinter Nights
- Baldur's Gate

Also involved in:

- The Witcher

Bethesda:

- Morrowind
- Oblivion
- Fallout 3
- Call of Cthulhu DCotE

Which one do you prefer and why?

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#2 Mr_Satch
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Bioware

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#3 Treflis
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Bioware.
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#4 -Inertia
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Bioware , Baldurs Gate amazing game for its time, Neverwinter Nights had a amazing toolset and quite a good storyline too

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#5 hiphops_savior
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Bioware for me.
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#6 bingbaocao
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between those two, i gotta go with bioware, though Neverwinter nights 2 from obsidian is the best one
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#8 HondaSnake
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This one is almost too hard of a decision for me to post :P , I love both Bethesda and Bioware but I think I would probably go with Bethesda just because Morrowind is still one of, if not my favorite RPG.
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#10 Avenger1324
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Damn - that is a really tough choice for me I only recently got The Witcher, but that has totally won me over. It looks fantastic and plays great. It has so many of the features I loved about Morrowind, and hasn't been bastardised for consoles. I didn't realise the Bioware connection - the Aurora Engine, so I guess on a technicality it counts for Bioware, though the game was made by CD Projekt Red. Morrowind has been my favourite RPG, I despised Oblivion until heavily modded, but really enjoyed Fallout 3. But then there was NWN, Baldur's Gate and finally Mass Effect which has been my favourite RPG on 360. Tough to choose, but I think Bioware just edges this one for me. The Witcher really was the deciding factor and I'm loving playing that game :)
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#11 stike22
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That really isn't the easiest comparison...the two companies are completely different. I simply have to say, Bethesda has less games but each one is worth at least two of Biowares. Firstly I have played all the games you mentioned and your missing quite a few out but that doesn't matter, The Elders Scrolls series alone is worth far more then anything Bioware had produced, Although I do like all of Biowares games, they are all far from perfect and almost always feel that they are missing something or they should have done more, I would say Biowares best game is KOTOR. Bethesda has only focused on their main series the Elders Scrolls, Arena, daggerfall, redguard, Morrowind and Oblivion, they then took on the project of Fallout 3 and now they are making Rogue Warrior. I will simply say that if i had a choice to get rid of one of the companies it would be Bioware, although they have made some of my favorite games none of them are perfect, and although I play there games for months it just makes me grow completely bored of their games in the end. Bethesda's games never die, even now I still play Morrowind and Oblivion and Fallout 3, the games just don't die, Morrowind alone takes far longer to clock then all of Biowares games put together, and for me longetivity means a hell of a lot because it usually only takes me a day or two to complete a game. They are also so addictive, play them even once and I find myself playing for months.
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#12 Mr_Satch
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That really isn't the easiest comparison...the two companies are completely different. I simply have to say, Bethesda has less games but each one is worth at least two of Biowares. Firstly I have played all the games you mentioned and your missing quite a few out but that doesn't matter, The Elders Scrolls series alone is worth far more then anything Bioware had produced, Although I do like all of Biowares games, they are all far from perfect and almost always feel that they are missing something or they should have done more, I would say Biowares best game is KOTOR. Bethesda has only focused on their main series the Elders Scrolls, Arena, daggerfall, redguard, Morrowind and Oblivion, they then took on the project of Fallout 3 and now they are making Rogue Warrior. I will simply say that if i had a choice to get rid of one of the companies it would be Bioware, although they have made some of my favorite games none of them are perfect, and although I play there games for months it just makes me grow completely bored of their games in the end. Bethesda's games never die, even now I still play Morrowind and Oblivion and Fallout 3, the games just don't die, Morrowind alone takes far longer to clock then all of Biowares games put together, and for me longetivity means a hell of a lot because it usually only takes me a day or two to complete a game. They are also so addictive, play them even once and I find myself playing for months.stike22

Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 w/ are among the greatest games ever made. I'm sorry, but Bethesda has not made anything to match it even closely.

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#13 ASK_Story
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I like Bethesda because of Fallout 3. But Dragon Age looks good.
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#14 stike22
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Baldurs gate was seriously boring...and seriously not the greatest game...NWN was better in my opinion. Morrowind and Oblivion both mace it completely...how can Oblivion not be better then Baldurs Gate? As I said Bioware' games always seem to lack something, in Baldurs gates case it was...well it was just boring, the level up system sucked and the characters weren't that great...seriously Diablo got much more rep then Bladurs...actually that would seriously be a battle Diablo fans vs Baldurs...in my opinon Diablo was better and I am not a fan of either games, I just complete them and forget them. While I still play Oblivion and Morrowind.
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#15 stike22
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I like Bethesda because of Fallout 3. But Dragon Age looks good.ASK_Story
Very good point, my only problem with that game is that it doesn't have character custom...at least not to my knowledge and I think thats pretty terrible for games of this gen...I mean honestly I really don't care to pick from a pack of pre-made freaks with their own little stories...at least let us change what they look like Bioware. As I said before Biowares games always seem to have something missing, in this case character custom.
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#16 Shame-usBlackley
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Bioware's shtick of releasing unfinished product was old a generation ago. Bethesda by a goddamn country mile. They aren't perfect, but after Mass Effect...... damn. Bioware didn't even bother patching it it was so bad.

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#17 ragek1ll589
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Bioware

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#18 whisperingmute
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Bioware. Fallout 3 is the only Bethesda title I was able to really get into and enjoy. The morrowind games can be fun but the level up system is not of my taste and puts me off. Oblivion was difficult due to it's enemies leveling up with you. At level 5, I got murdered by a fish all because I leveld up incorrectly.

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#19 Rusteater
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Tough choice but I gotta go with Bethesda. Morrowind may be my fav RPG of all time. Fallout 3 was a blast. Oblivion was ok.

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#20 Paladin_King
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not even close for me. Bioware.
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#21 SonicX_89
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Bioware. Jade Empire, Mass Effect, KOTOR, all great games, some of my favorites.

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#22 BumFluff122
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definately bioware

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#23 Planeforger
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Bioware:

Also involved in:

- The Witcher

Bethesda:
- Call of Cthulhu DCotE

Black_Knight_00

Bioware wasn't really involved in The Witcher (they just made the engine, many years ago), and Bethesda didn't develop Call of Cthulhu (they only bought it up and dumbed it down).

Anyway, Bioware is easily the better company, but then again, Bioware hasn't made a great RPG for over half a decade.

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#24 TriangleHard
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Bioware.

Mostly because their game has a lot less bugs compared to Bethesda. Not that Biowares games are bug free, but compared to Bethesda? No contest.

I hate bugs. I seriously seriously hate bugs.

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#25 Apocalypse324
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I love both. I mean Kotor is amazing, and so is Mass Effect. I didnt really get into Jade Empire. But Morrowind is still my favorite game, I love Oblivion but its not nearly as good as morrowind. And Fallout 3 is just great.

But I have just recently gotten into PC gaming so I have not played Neverwinter Nights or Baldurs gate (for the PC) so as of right now Im going to have to go with Bethesda

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#26 broken_bass_bin
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looks like I'm in the minority...

Bethesda

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#27 Mr_Satch
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Bioware's shtick of releasing unfinished product was old a generation ago. Bethesda by a goddamn country mile. They aren't perfect, but after Mass Effect...... damn. Bioware didn't even bother patching it it was so bad.

Shame-usBlackley

This is funny considering Bethesda has a history of releasing buggy software. I've never had a problem with any of Bioware's games although I have not played Mass Effect.

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#28 cky5
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I'd say its pretty close, Bioware does some things better than Bethesda and vice versa.In a Bioware game you can expect a great main quest with a good storyline and characters, while in a Bethesda game you get a huge game world with lots of exploration elements and some good side quests.

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#29 Palantas
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I've never played a BioWare game I didn't like, whereas I can't say the same about Bethesda. This brings me to:

I simply have to say, Bethesda has less games but each one is worth at least two of Biowares.

stike22

:lol: What? Bethesda's made a huge number of games. Do your homework before you post.

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#30 deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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I would have to go with Bioware.

They havent released a game I like in a long time, but I guess they have been aiming at a different crowd.

They DO however make decent stories, and thier games are usually very polished.

I like the Bethesta games, well except the bugs. They remind me alot of the Might and magic series (my all time favorite) They just lack something... it is hard to put my finger on it.

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#31 Assassin_87
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Bioware games are much more polished, but Bethesda's offer much larger scope and more to do than those of any other developer...I have to go with Bioware though.

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Bioware.Treflis

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#33 Cherokee_Jack
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I haven't played through a Bioware game yet, but I doubt I would like any of them more than I did Morrowind, or even Oblivion. I can never resist a game with a really detailed, interesting world, and that's one of the TES games' strongest points. I also like their first-person perspective, because it makes them the only RPGs in which you can really 'role-play' properly, instead of just moving your character around an isometric map.
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#34 Canvas_Of_Flesh
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Bioware.
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#35 190586385885857957282413308806
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I can't pick. They both push the genre in different directions that are important to the evolution of RPG's. BioWare is great at storytelling and characterization while Bethesda is better at offering players a huge would with a ton of possibilities. If one of them did a game that combines both of these aspects then they'd be the clear leader but so far they both seem to have their own direction and i can't choose one over the other as they are both important directions.
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#36 190586385885857957282413308806
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Bioware's shtick of releasing unfinished product was old a generation ago. Bethesda by a goddamn country mile. They aren't perfect, but after Mass Effect...... damn. Bioware didn't even bother patching it it was so bad.

Shame-usBlackley
Yeah this is such a useless comment seeing as they both struggle in the QA department and the scope of Bethesda's worlds make their games chock full of bugs. Just ask any of the PC gamers that are still trying to get Fallout 3 to work properly, or the PS3 players that are pissed because their version of the game is worse than the other two, or the fact they HAD to patch Shivering Isles because there was a bug that ruins your save when you play Oblivion + Shivering Isles for a set amount of time. Don't let hatred blind you of the facts.
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#37 NicotineKid
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Bioware, KotOR, NWN, Mass Effect.
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#38 HiResDes
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Bethesda, Baldur's Gate 1 & 2, Fallout 3, and get this I absolutely loved Oblivion and its expansion Shivering Isles...Bioware loses points because Mass Effect was ruined by glitches and so many bland carbon copy planets. KoTOR was indeed pretty damn awesome though.

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Bethesda, Baldur's Gate 1 & 2, Fallout 3, and get this I absolutely loved Oblivion and its expansion Shivering Isles...Bioware loses points because Mass Effect was ruined by glitches and so many bland carbon copy planets. KoTOR was indeed pretty damn awesome though.

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Your post is confusing. You pick Bethesda, then name two BioWare games and then a Bethesda game
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#40 arijit_2404
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BIOWARE. Just look at those game lists. Bethesda doesn't have a chance!
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Bioware by a mile for me, I really don't play Bethesda game for a long period time and most of the time it doesn't catch my interest or the theme just isn't there for me while on the other hand I enjoyed almost all of Bioware project just not too happy about how glitchy they are though.

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#42 HiResDes
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[QUOTE="HiResDes"]

Bethesda, Baldur's Gate 1 & 2, Fallout 3, and get this I absolutely loved Oblivion and its expansion Shivering Isles...Bioware loses points because Mass Effect was ruined by glitches and so many bland carbon copy planets. KoTOR was indeed pretty damn awesome though.

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Your post is confusing. You pick Bethesda, then name two BioWare games and then a Bethesda game

Oh man I didn't even realize I did that, it must have been my subconscious coming to light, I want to love Bioware but they put out a lot of subpar games as well...Jade Empire was pretty crap and parts of Mass Effect were crap.

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Bethesda only demonstrated their poor publisher support for Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth, the game was developed by the now-bankrupt Headfirst Productions. Also, BioWare didn't have much (if anything) to do with The Witcher. It's evident that CD Project Red was very much influenced by BioWare (they did localizations for BioWare games), but I think they used the BioWare/Aurora brand solely for marketing purposes. The Witcher is actually running on Criterion's Renderware engine, I'm not even sure in what way did CD Project Red use Aurora at all.

Anyway, it's BioWare for me. Even if they never made anything other than Knights of the Old Republic, they would still forever be dear in my heart as that game is one of the 7 best games I ever had the pleasure of playing. I loved Oblivion as well, but I found Morrowind boring and its gameworld static and drab.

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#44 metroid_dragon
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You're making me choose between a free burger with fries and a free burger and a drink. Both are very awesome. I've enjoyed more of Bioware's games overall, between KotOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect. They were all amazing games. But I've definitely played Bethesda's games for far longer. almost 150 hours into Oblivion and Fallout 3 each. I'm going to go with Bethesda, but it's a close call.
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#45 HiResDes
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Bethesda only demonstrated their poor publisher support for Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth, the game was developed by the now-bankrupt Headfirst Productions. Also, BioWare didn't have much (if anything) to do with The Witcher. It's evident that CD Project Red was very much influenced by BioWare (they did localizations for BioWare games), but I think they used the BioWare/Aurora brand solely for marketing purposes. The Witcher is actually running on Criterion's Renderware engine, I'm not even sure in what way did CD Project Red use Aurora at all.

Anyway, it's BioWare for me. Even if they never made anything other than Knights of the Old Republic, they would still forever be dear in my heart as that game is one of the 7 best games I ever had the pleasure of playing. I loved Oblivion as well, but I found Morrowind boring and its gameworld static and drab.

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I hate to say it, but I agree

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#46 Dill-Man
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Bioware; KOTOR, Mass Effect, Baulder's Gate, and The Witcher are just too good to beat out the greatness that are Fallout and Oblivion. Still, it's close.
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#47 ShadowedSight
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Bioware.

Just look at that list again! xD

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#48 _AbBaNdOn
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Bethesda = garbage. Bioware = legendary. Why do I like who I like? The games??
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#49 Adam_the_Nerd
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Bioware. Bethseda is capable of creating great, living, breathing worlds, but their main story-building pales in comparison to the great stories of games such as KOTOR and Mass Effect. I'd say they're both great depending on what you're looking for, but BioWare is catching up in their creation of living, breathing worlds. I think in a few yuears they could edge out Bethseda.
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#50 UT_Wrestler
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Tough decision. Bethesda tends to give you more gameplay for your money (I spent 150 hours on oblivion, the most I've ever spent on an offline game), but Bioware does a lot more with story and character development. If I had to pick though, I'd go with Bioware.