Saints Row 2 officially announced! (details inside)

I was waiting for someone to post this for like 7 hours. :P

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I was waiting for someone to post this for like 7 hours. :P

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gaminggeek

The first Saint's Row was a watered-down ripoff of GTA (I remmebr the gang members initially wore green, though that was eventually changed to bright purple). Nothing revealed about SR2indicates it will be any different, though two player co-op might be interesting.

The first Saints Row was a rental, the second also sounds like a rental. As carnage said it was a complete rip off of GTA that only surpassed it in terms of physics and gameplay. The biggest gripe I had with Saints Row as that the entire experience felt derived, the game basically was missing something to call its own besides the FPS like controls, and it sounds like this problem has not really been addressed at all short of a possible fix to the first game's horrible multiplayer mode. If they want my money, I need to hear about a much improved story, I mean I don't ask for much but c'mon...My 10 year old cousin has come up with better ideas. If the game comes out around the release of GTAIV they can forget it, as I probably won't even be renting this game.

I am very surprised that the official announcement had not already been made, like what, 8 months ago?

It will be interesting to see how sales go, I have a feeling the first one did as well as it did for the simple fact it was the first GTA clone to hit the current generation.

I played into it for about 10 hours and liked a lot of what they did with it, just not enough to finish the game.

I am very surprised that the official announcement had not already been made, like what, 8 months ago?

It will be interesting to see how sales go, I have a feeling the first one did as well as it did for the simple fact it was the first GTA clone to hit the current generation.

I played into it for about 10 hours and liked a lot of what they did with it, just not enough to finish the game.

aspro73

you are one of the lucky ones then, you escaped unscathed.

Why buy SR2 whne you can get GTA4...

I totally agree with you guys saying that this game is a clone and should be avoided at all costs...that's why i only play 16 bit games and doom because everything else is a clone of those games...

actually Saint's Row is regarded as probably the best GTA clone and it fixed some issues and does a few things better than the GTA series... so if missing out on a great soundtrack, missing some wit and following the GTA formula too much is an indication that a game isn't worth people's time... many people shouldn't have even touched San Andreas.

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Why buy SR2 whne you can get GTA4...

dvader654

End thread.

Indeed.

I totally agree with you guys saying that this game is a clone and should be avoided at all costs...that's why i only play 16 bit games and doom because everything else is a clone of those games...

actually Saint's Row is regarded as probably the best GTA clone and it fixed some issues and does a few things better than the GTA series... so if missing out on a great soundtrack, missing some wit and following the GTA formula too much is an indication that a game isn't worth people's time... many people shouldn't have even touched San Andreas.

smerlus

[QUOTE="smerlus"]

I totally agree with you guys saying that this game is a clone and should be avoided at all costs...that's why i only play 16 bit games and doom because everything else is a clone of those games...

actually Saint's Row is regarded as probably the best GTA clone and it fixed some issues and does a few things better than the GTA series... so if missing out on a great soundtrack, missing some wit and following the GTA formula too much is an indication that a game isn't worth people's time... many people shouldn't have even touched San Andreas.

GodModeEnabled

I've played through the entire game, I didn't like it as much you guys, so now I'm an elitist snob. I guess so man, I guess so.

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"][QUOTE="smerlus"]

I totally agree with you guys saying that this game is a clone and should be avoided at all costs...that's why i only play 16 bit games and doom because everything else is a clone of those games...

actually Saint's Row is regarded as probably the best GTA clone and it fixed some issues and does a few things better than the GTA series... so if missing out on a great soundtrack, missing some wit and following the GTA formula too much is an indication that a game isn't worth people's time... many people shouldn't have even touched San Andreas.

HiResDes

I've played through the entire game, I didn't like it as much you guys, so now I'm an elitist snob. I guess so man, I guess so.

[QUOTE="HiResDes"][QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"][QUOTE="smerlus"]

I totally agree with you guys saying that this game is a clone and should be avoided at all costs...that's why i only play 16 bit games and doom because everything else is a clone of those games...

actually Saint's Row is regarded as probably the best GTA clone and it fixed some issues and does a few things better than the GTA series... so if missing out on a great soundtrack, missing some wit and following the GTA formula too much is an indication that a game isn't worth people's time... many people shouldn't have even touched San Andreas.

GodModeEnabled

I've played through the entire game, I didn't like it as much you guys, so now I'm an elitist snob. I guess so man, I guess so.

Alright, I was just checking, but c'mon you have to admit that the game did bear many striking similarities to GTA: San Andreas (Not That All Clones Are Awful). However, I think you'd be hard pressed to find many games which borrow so much and and at the same time so bluntly from another series.

Despite GTA having a lot more in it, SR was just a more enjoyable experience for me. The gameplay was solid, while GTA's controls were simply awful. SR's downfall was not having as much content as San Andreas. SR2 sounds like a step in the right direction. GTAIV is only promising me a story so far. I have never been able to keep interested in a GTA long enough to finish it. I did finish SR though.

Please, Saints Row was a terrible clone of grand theft auto. Inarguably, the best one is the simpsons: Hit and Run.

The first Saint's Row was a watered-down ripoff of GTA (I remmebr the gang members initially wore green, though that was eventually changed to bright purple). Nothing revealed about SR2indicates it will be any different, though two player co-op might be interesting.

CarnageHeart

Not really. Saints Row was much more shooter focused and that made the core gameplay different to GTA even though the overall mission and game design was similar in many areas.

[QUOTE="smerlus"]

I totally agree with you guys saying that this game is a clone and should be avoided at all costs...that's why i only play 16 bit games and doom because everything else is a clone of those games...

actually Saint's Row is regarded as probably the best GTA clone and it fixed some issues and does a few things better than the GTA series... so if missing out on a great soundtrack, missing some wit and following the GTA formula too much is an indication that a game isn't worth people's time... many people shouldn't have even touched San Andreas.

GodModeEnabled

The demo led me to the 'bad GTA clone conclusion', word of mouth from people that owned it (including several friends I trust) led me to the bad GTA clone conclusion, reviewers led me to the bad GTA clone conclusion so if calling Saint's Row a clone without spending my money on it leads you to the conclusion I am elitist snob, I'm comfortable with that (I've also never paid money to see an Uwe Boll movie).

But I will confine myself to an evaluation of the demo when talking about the game's many, many flaws (though I referenced reviews of the full game to ensure that the flaws I talk about are also flaws of the full game). The create a character option was apitiful attempt to pander (and possibly a last-minute attempt to avoid controversy), one that seemed to have been thrown in at the last minute, since other characters had the odd trait of calling your character the 'n' word irregardless of his race. For similar reasons, the rainbow coalition makeup of the player's gang was hilarious. On a related note, the attempts at humor failed and the writing was terrible.

On the game design side, laziness was the word of the day. Yes, Havoc is fun, but why couldn't the designers have been bothered to include more vehicles types? I accept that in Saint Row's tiny city, planes and boats wouldn't make sense, but where are the motorcyles and tanks? Why couldn't the player fly in a helicopter? In fairness, throwing in tanks and two wheeled vehicles and making helicopeters flyable would have been harder than not including them, and those of us who ask game designers to do stuff which is hard are probably guilty of being elitist snobs. In the interests of avoiding charges of elitism, we should just accept whatever designers are willing to do however incompetently they do it.

Not that I'm arguing with anyone's feelings. If Saint's Row managed to entertain you, good for you. Gaming is all about fun, after all.

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"][QUOTE="smerlus"]

I totally agree with you guys saying that this game is a clone and should be avoided at all costs...that's why i only play 16 bit games and doom because everything else is a clone of those games...

actually Saint's Row is regarded as probably the best GTA clone and it fixed some issues and does a few things better than the GTA series... so if missing out on a great soundtrack, missing some wit and following the GTA formula too much is an indication that a game isn't worth people's time... many people shouldn't have even touched San Andreas.

CarnageHeart

The demo led me to the 'bad GTA clone conclusion', word of mouth from people that owned it (including several friends I trust) led me to the bad GTA clone conclusion, reviewers led me to the bad GTA clone conclusion so if calling Saint's Row a clone without spending my money on it leads you to the conclusion I am elitist snob, I'm comfortable with that (I've also never paid money to see an Uwe Boll movie).

But I will confine myself to an evaluation of the demo when talking about the game's many, many flaws (though I referenced reviews of the full game to ensure that the flaws I talk about are also flaws of the full game). The create a character option was apitiful attempt to pander (and possibly a last-minute attempt to avoid controversy), one that seemed to have been thrown in at the last minute, since other characters had the odd trait of calling your character the 'n' word irregardless of his race. For similar reasons, the rainbow coalition makeup of the player's gang was hilarious. On a related note, the attempts at humor failed and the writing was terrible.

On the game design side, laziness was the word of the day. Yes, Havoc is fun, but why couldn't the designers have been bothered to include more vehicles types? I accept that in Saint Row's tiny city, planes and boats wouldn't make sense, but where are the motorcyles and tanks? Why couldn't the player fly in a helicopter? In fairness, throwing in tanks and two wheeled vehicles and making helicopeters flyable would have been harder than not including them, and those of us who ask game designers to do stuff which is hard are probably guilty of being elitist snobs. In the interests of avoiding charges of elitism, we should just accept whatever designers are willing to do however incompetently they do it.

Not that I'm arguing with anyone's feelings. If Saint's Row managed to entertain you, good for you. Gaming is all about fun, after all.

I must admit that the demo was nothing special and just showcased things you can already do in the GTA games... but then a majority of game demos are like that. If your friend's didn't like it, that's another thing i really can't argue with.

buuuut you getting a bad taste in your mouth from reviewers is funny because most sites have rated the game in the low to mid eights and have said things such as "While no one may ever crack the GTA Coca-Cola code, Saints Row proves that there's plenty of room in the market for the Pepsis of the world too.", "The concept may not be original, but when it comes to gameplay, Saints Row delivers the goods in style.","Saints Row, despite its distinct lack of originality, is fun.","Saints Row is exactly what Volition set out to do and yet another outstanding addition to the Xbox 360 library."
,"Saints Row is just too good to miss.", "Games don't have to be different to be great."

that's just some quick exerpts from 6 different professional reviews... so where you got an 8.0+ score and all these reviewers saying the game is at least fun... i don't know how that equates to "this game isn't good and a complete rip-off not worth anyone's time"

As for the pandering comments... gangs in real life show up in many colors, the most notable of course being red and blue... the LA police department has this to say about gang colors "While clothing alone cannot positively determine membership in a street gang, color and ****serve to identify each gang. Green can either mean the gang member is declaring neutrality for the moment or is a drug dealer. Black is worn by some Hispanic gangs and Heavy Metal Anglo gangs. Other common gang colors include brown or purple." So i don't see how using a few of lesser known gang colors is so off kilter.

As for the use of the n-word describing non african american characters... watch a gang documentary... you can be asian, hispanic, white, or a marklar and if you're in a gang that is predominantly black... you are their ...n-word. so again, games mimic real life.

As for more vehicle types... this was Volitions first forray into a genre that is already saturated with bad clones and cheap cash-ins... while Saint's Row proved to be an exception, it played it safe. While there are no bikes or choppers I would have to admit that by including dozens of customizing options for each car and actually have them SHOW UP in the game randomly, gave the illusion that there were about 400 more cars than GTA had. it's not uncommon to see 12 different versions of the same car in various stages of ruin or tricked-out-ness making the world seem much more varied and realistic. compare this to GTA where the cars have only a handful of paintjobs and all body types are the same.

And now that Saint's Row has made Volition some money and they are planning a sequel... the fear of the game being a flop isn't there and looky there... all of those good things that we expect from a game are in there.

Lastly... why someone should pick up Saint's Row and GTA 4? we all know GTA is going the more serious and realistic route with this upcomming game, so there must be room for an arcady, over the top gang sim because there simply won't be on when GTA 4 comes out.

[QUOTE="smerlus"]
GodModeEnabled

I must admit that the demo was nothing special and just showcased things you can already do in the GTA games... but then a majority of game demos are like that. If your friend's didn't like it, that's another thing i really can't argue with.

buuuut you getting a bad taste in your mouth from reviewers is funny because most sites have rated the game in the low to mid eights and have said things such as "While no one may ever crack the GTA Coca-Cola code, Saints Row proves that there's plenty of room in the market for the Pepsis of the world too.", "The concept may not be original, but when it comes to gameplay, Saints Row delivers the goods in style.","Saints Row, despite its distinct lack of originality, is fun.","Saints Row is exactly what Volition set out to do and yet another outstanding addition to the Xbox 360 library."
,"Saints Row is just too good to miss.", "Games don't have to be different to be great."

that's just some quick exerpts from 6 different professional reviews... so where you got an 8.0+ score and all these reviewers saying the game is at least fun... i don't know how that equates to "this game isn't good and a complete rip-off not worth anyone's time"

As for the pandering comments... gangs in real life show up in many colors, the most notable of course being red and blue... the LA police department has this to say about gang colors "While clothing alone cannot positively determine membership in a street gang, color and ****serve to identify each gang. Green can either mean the gang member is declaring neutrality for the moment or is a drug dealer. Black is worn by some Hispanic gangs and Heavy Metal Anglo gangs. Other common gang colors include brown or purple." So i don't see how using a few of lesser known gang colors is so off kilter.

As for the use of the n-word describing non african american characters... watch a gang documentary... you can be asian, hispanic, white, or a marklar and if you're in a gang that is predominantly black... you are their ...n-word. so again, games mimic real life.

As for more vehicle types... this was Volitions first forray into a genre that is already saturated with bad clones and cheap cash-ins... while Saint's Row proved to be an exception, it played it safe. While there are no bikes or choppers I would have to admit that by including dozens of customizing options for each car and actually have them SHOW UP in the game randomly, gave the illusion that there were about 400 more cars than GTA had. it's not uncommon to see 12 different versions of the same car in various stages of ruin or tricked-out-ness making the world seem much more varied and realistic. compare this to GTA where the cars have only a handful of paintjobs and all body types are the same.

And now that Saint's Row has made Volition some money and they are planning a sequel... the fear of the game being a flop isn't there and looky there... all of those good things that we expect from a game are in there.

Lastly... why someone should pick up Saint's Row and GTA 4? we all know GTA is going the more serious and realistic route with this upcomming game, so there must be room for an arcady, over the top gang sim because there simply won't be on when GTA 4 comes out.

smerlus

I laid out the reasons why I was unimpressed by the demo and stated that based on all of the reviews I had read and impressions I had heard, the final game shares the weaknesses of the demo. Were any of the factual statements I made about Saint's Row in error?

I laid out the reasons why I was unimpressed by the demo and stated that based on all of the reviews I had read and impressions I had heard, the final game shares the weaknesses of the demo. Were any of the factual statements I made about Saint's Row in error?

CarnageHeart

Yes. If you took time to read my response, you would see that most of your points were errors.

Again, you use the demo as a negative and somehow you also use reviews as a negative when they were all mostly positive. So it's your point of view that the demo sucked... which is a negative and you used positive reviews of the game to back up a negative claim. This doesn't make any sense UNLESS you took offense to a certain poster's claim that if you haven't played the game and you say it stinks that you are a snob... then i can see why you are clinging to anygeneralizations that would reenforce your claim.

As for the errors that you didn't make, you cited the fact that no matter what character race you pick, your avatar will be be called the N-word and that this is an instance of bad writing. That's wrong because this occurs in real life... then there's theuse of vibrant colors when, again, this is common occurance in reality. so they you have two points that are wrong.

And in case you didn't notice,hardlyanygames that have followed in GTA's footsteps except for Just Cause and Mercenaries have included vehicles such as bikes and planes... so to count these games as the rule rather than the exception they are is like saying GTA stinks and all the other games stinkbecausethey don't have the random car technology that Saint's Row had to provide a world with thousands of car possibilities based on customization options and paint jobs.

what most of us are saying is that if you played the game and didn't like it... then fine. but if you're going to rely on a cheap demo and the negative parts of professional reviews while ignoring that those same reviewers say it's a pretty good game, that it's fun and that it does certain things better than the source it's "ripping off", then it's hard for me to actually argue here.

because in the end, i have first hand knowledge of what i'm talking about, both bad and good,and you have self serving exerpts that only back up why you won't give the game a try. so why keep this up?

I played the original Saints Row; enjoyed it somewhat, but not enough to purchase it. A rental was enough for me to decide that it wasn't my cup of tea.

Imight give SR2 a chance though, San Andreas wasn't spectacular either. Regardless of whether or not it's a blatant clone of the GTA games, SR2 does sound interesting enough.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

I laid out the reasons why I was unimpressed by the demo and stated that based on all of the reviews I had read and impressions I had heard, the final game shares the weaknesses of the demo. Were any of the factual statements I made about Saint's Row in error?

smerlus

Yes. If you took time to read my response, you would see that most of your points were errors.

Again, you use the demo as a negative and somehow you also use reviews as a negative when they were all mostly positive. So it's your point of view that the demo sucked... which is a negative and you used positive reviews of the game to back up a negative claim. This doesn't make any sense UNLESS you took offense to a certain poster's claim that if you haven't played the game and you say it stinks that you are a snob... then i can see why you are clinging to anygeneralizations that would reenforce your claim.

As for the errors that you didn't make, you cited the fact that no matter what character race you pick, your avatar will be be called the N-word and that this is an instance of bad writing. That's wrong because this occurs in real life... then there's theuse of vibrant colors when, again, this is common occurance in reality. so they you have two points that are wrong.

And in case you didn't notice,hardlyanygames that have followed in GTA's footsteps except for Just Cause and Mercenaries have included vehicles such as bikes and planes... so to count these games as the rule rather than the exception they are is like saying GTA stinks and all the other games stinkbecausethey don't have the random car technology that Saint's Row had to provide a world with thousands of car possibilities based on customization options and paint jobs.

what most of us are saying is that if you played the game and didn't like it... then fine. but if you're going to rely on a cheap demo and the negative parts of professional reviews while ignoring that those same reviewers say it's a pretty good game, that it's fun and that it does certain things better than the source it's "ripping off", then it's hard for me to actually argue here.

because in the end, i have first hand knowledge of what i'm talking about, both bad and good,and you have self serving exerpts that only back up why you won't give the game a try. so why keep this up?

I read your post. I should have responded to your original post point by point, but at the time, I didn't have time to write a long response. Your post misquoted me (I challenge you to show me where you pulled the '"this game isn't good and a complete rip-off not worth anyone's time" quote from) and responded to things I never implied (I never said Saint's Row colors weren't realistic, I cited the fact that SR's gang member intially wore GTA's green). My exact words were 'The first Saint's Row was a watered-down ripoff of GTA (I remmebr the gang members initially wore green, though that was eventually changed to bright purple'.

Your talk about how predominantly black gangs affectionally call all members the n word doesn't really affect my point since random people on the streeet call your character (who can be any color under the rainbow)the n word.

You first excused the lack of vehicle variety and the fact that helicopters can't be flown by the player by stating that Volition didn't know if SR would succeed, and said nothing about the poor writing. And in your latest post, you stated thatmany GTA clones don't have motorcycles as some sort of defense, which is odd because in your prior post you dismissed the majority of prior GTA clones 'a genre that is already saturated with bad clones and cheap cash-ins'. As someone else pointed out, making a next gen GTA clone that lacks the vehicle selection one can find inaPSP game(which hit in the same timeframe and is similarly confined to one city) is an example of lazy game design.

Perhaps most strangely, you quoted fluff from a bunch of professional reviews (segments which talk about the reviewer's feelings rather than the strengths and weaknesses of the game) something which had nothing to do with anything I stated (I never claimed reviewers hated Saint's Row, I stated reviews indicated the final game shares the many, many weaknesses of the demo).

On a similar note, I find it bizarre that you think that a positive review cannot contain information that a player might consider negative 'you used positive reviews of the game to back up a negative claim. This doesn't make any sense'.Virtua Fighter 5 got overwhelmingly positive reviews, but insanely (in your world) people whose biggest preoccupation is online play avoided it because the reviews stated it didn't have online play. Some gamers see scores and stop reading (AAA baby!), some of us actually read reviews to learn about the game.

But as I said in my second post, if you are able to enjoy Saint's Row despite its many weaknesses and lack of ambition, good for you.

I read your post. I should have responded to your original post point by point, but at the time, I didn't have time to write a long response. Your post misquoted me (I challenge you to show me where you pulled the '"this game isn't good and a complete rip-off not worth anyone's time" quote from) and responded to things I never implied (I never said Saint's Row colors weren't realistic, I cited the fact that SR's gang member intially wore GTA's green). My exact words were 'The first Saint's Row was a watered-down ripoff of GTA (I remmebr the gang members initially wore green, though that was eventually changed to bright purple'.

Your talk about how predominantly black gangs affectionally call all members the n word doesn't really affect my point since random people on the streeet call your character (who can be any color under the rainbow)the n word.

You first excused the lack of vehicle variety and the fact that helicopters can't be flown by the player by stating that Volition didn't know if SR would succeed, and said nothing about the poor writing. And in your latest post, you stated thatmany GTA clones don't have motorcycles as some sort of defense, which is odd because in your prior post you dismissed the majority of prior GTA clones 'a genre that is already saturated with bad clones and cheap cash-ins'. As someone else pointed out, making a next gen GTA clone that lacks the vehicle selection one can find inaPSP game(which hit in the same timeframe and is similarly confined to one city) is an example of lazy game design.

Perhaps most strangely, you quoted fluff from a bunch of professional reviews (segments which talk about the reviewer's feelings rather than the strengths and weaknesses of the game) something which had nothing to do with anything I stated (I never claimed reviewers hated Saint's Row, I stated reviews indicated the final game shares the many, many weaknesses of the demo).

On a similar note, I find it bizarre that you think that a positive review cannot contain information that a player might consider negative 'you used positive reviews of the game to back up a negative claim. This doesn't make any sense'.Virtua Fighter 5 got overwhelmingly positive reviews, but insanely (in your world) people whose biggest preoccupation is online play avoided it because the reviews stated it didn't have online play. Some gamers see scores and stop reading (AAA baby!), some of us actually read reviews to learn about the game.

But as I said in my second post, if you are able to enjoy Saint's Row despite its many weaknesses and lack of ambition, good for you.

Ok. since my qoutes of reviews were too general let me in turn ask you this, why do you feel that Saint's Row is a watered down rip off when, if you were to actually play the full game, you'll find out it does a ton of things better than GTA?

rip-off... maybe, but then again if you didn't like games that borrowed from other titles, you would be saying the same thing i said in my first post in this topic. watered down? hardly. graphics, physics, the main character, gameplay such as shooting, shooting while driving, AI, friendly AI... all better, The story was much more cohesive than either San Andrea's and much more engaging than GTA III's.

The only things Saint's Row lacks in is music, wit and originality

About the N- Word, you act like every bystander on the street calls you it when it turns out that the only characters on the street that do are young, inner city males and other gang members. none of the old people do, nor the hot dog guy, nor the gay joggers, nor the asian people, nor the white suburbanites...so refer back to my second post... there's nothing out of the ordinary here...

and it's funny that you actually use a design decision that wasn't used in a game as a fault. this is like saying "hey Super Mario Brothers sucks because at first they were pizzaria owners."

your virtua fight analogy is useless in this situation because, once again, the majority of reviews say that this game almost as good as the GTA series. it's not thatsaint'srow ismissing any modes or anything that GTA has (except for planes and bikes which seems to be a game breaker for you) maybe your comparison would make sense ifvirtua fighterwas almost identical to a game like tekken in every way, including modes of play, and people said "don't play virtua fighter, it's just watered down rip off of tekken.... I know i played the demo and read the negative parts of reviews."

and since i'm running out of time... since when is it that reviewers saying a game is great, fun, or almost good as the genre leader not considered a strength? do you want me to list polygon count, voice actor's resume's, how many colors are on the screen at once? if we were debating about rollor coaster rides, would you rather know how many bolts are holding a ride together, the top speed, how many people can fit in are car over "hey this ride is great, it's fun and almost as good as the best roller coaster ride out there."

let's be serious here, your posts are self serving generalizations nit picked from a handfull of secondary sources that back up the reason you don't like a game you never fully played. Anyone could do this, In fact if i had time, i would watch the trailer of the Godfather movie, read a few lines and say how the movie stinks based off this limited exposure.

would you take a review site or any one else's view of a game seriously if they said "well i never played the game, but i read and heard the game wasn't that good."

no, so excuse me while i don't take you seriously.

Sounds good. That said, I think it's time for the genre to allow you to do more than just drive and shoot. Co-op sounds nice.

The story was much more cohesive than either San Andrea's and much more engaging than GTA III's.

The only things Saint's Row lacks in is music, wit and originality

do you want me to list polygon count, voice actor's resume's, how many colors are on the screen at once?

smerlus

I'm going to ignore most of your post because you clearly don't understand some ofwhat I am saying and possibly you don't even understand some of what you are saying.

The day I start counting colors and polygons and ignoring game design/game play is the day we'll see eye to eye. Also, its hilarious that you state that the story lacks wit and humor in once sentence and then go on to praise it in another. Is Uwe Boll your favorite moviemaker because his movies lack the wit, humor and originality you so despise? Don't answer. I already know the answer. Lets just agree to disagree. Keep slurping your sewage if you love the taste so much.

Can people stop complaining that Saints row is a ripoff of GTA. I am the biggest GTA fan around (c'mon I still play GTA:SA for Xbox on my 360) But Saints Row is one of the best games made for the 360 so far, they did alot of improving to what GTA has done, the AI is way better than anything GTA has done, Your crew actually kill people, (unlike Ryder at the part time armyman base & Big Smoke and the train, can you please shoot some1 you busters). The weapon select is very innovative. The city of Stillwater is awsome, and very well done. Yeah the radio is weak and not funny, but it's a very good game.

I'm gonna buy GTA:IV of corse, but I will buy Saints Row 2 also, it will be a great game.

[QUOTE="smerlus"]

The story was much more cohesive than either San Andrea's and much more engaging than GTA III's.

The only things Saint's Row lacks in is music, wit and originality

do you want me to list polygon count, voice actor's resume's, how many colors are on the screen at once?

CarnageHeart

I'm going to ignore most of your post because you clearly don't understand some ofwhat I am saying and possibly you don't even understand some of what you are saying.

The day I start counting colors and polygons and ignoring game design/game play is the day we'll see eye to eye. Also, its hilarious that you state that the story lacks wit and humor in once sentence and then go on to praise it in another. Is Uwe Boll your favorite moviemaker because his movies lack the wit, humor and originality you so despise? Don't answer. I already know the answer. Lets just agree to disagree. Keep slurping your sewage if you love the taste so much.

i think it's amusing that you have the audacity to think your 5 minute exposure with this game is the right one when, right about now you have the credability of Gamepro with your opinion and responses.

so answer me this... does all of GTA's humor come from the main storyline? hurry up, i'll give you 20 minutes to ask your friends and read reviews because it seems you haven't played this game either....

the correct answer is that GTA's humor is usually found in the radio stations, on signage and advertisements that are spread all over the city... so yes, Saint's Row can easily be less witty and still have a better story than San Andreas because Saint's Row didn't have good radio stations and amusing signs.

Also I think you're the one that is confused. you sit here and say you don't care about the polygon count and colors when the most negative thing said about Saint's Row in reviews happens to be screen tearing and pop-up. Once again shooting (which you do a lot of in both GTA and Saint's Row) is better in SR, The friendly AI from gang members and the fact taht they can drive you around is better than the GTA series, SR also has more activities and unlockables than the GTA series... all of these are gameplay elements that are better than GTA's yet you didn't play the game because what you read in reviews... hmmm interesting Mr. Gameplay.

So your Uwe Boll comments that you're tossing out there still aren't witty or even relevent, from what i've read so far you don't know much about Saint's Row let alone have the ability to know what i'm thinking. So do us a favor... have your friends read these posts to you and then form an opinion about from what they tell you... post it in here and you might be closer to reality than you were about the main topic in here.

Now wait just a moment. Here we have people calling Saints Row's story and attempts at humor to be a travesty, yet praise GTA in those areas in the very same sentence?

Laugh at me all you like, but I actually cracked a smile at a few of the one liners in SR, and found the story fairly engaging in some areas (well about as engaging as "gangsta/rapper drivel can get). Can't really say the same for any of the GTAs. Although I'm sure someone's mentally challengedcousin thought the "Getalife" building was a riot, and someone's teenager found the constant references to the number 69 to be hysterical.

Can there not be room for more than one well reviewed game in any given genre? Exactly what issue do some of you (whom have clearly never played more than 5 minutes of the game) have with Saints Row? It may have lacked a little something, or felt a little sterile here and there, but underneath, SR was a very enjoyable game and a worthy game in anyone's library. I found quite a few things to not only match the past GTA's in the franchise, but to surpass them as well. I actually hope Rockstar takes a few pointers from the SR team in their development of GTA4.

Can there not be room for more than one well reviewed game in any given genre? Exactly what issue do some of you (whom have clearly never played more than 5 minutes of the game) have with Saints Row? It may have lacked a little something, or felt a little sterile here and there, but underneath, SR was a very enjoyable game and a worthy game in anyone's library. I found quite a few things to not only match the past GTA's in the franchise, but to surpass them as well. I actually hope Rockstar takes a few pointers from the SR team in their development of GTA4.

AlwaysSoft

I dont think rockstar needs to take any pointers from volition when its volition who basically cloned rockstars game.

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Can there not be room for more than one well reviewed game in any given genre? Exactly what issue do some of you (whom have clearly never played more than 5 minutes of the game) have with Saints Row? It may have lacked a little something, or felt a little sterile here and there, but underneath, SR was a very enjoyable game and a worthy game in anyone's library. I found quite a few things to not only match the past GTA's in the franchise, but to surpass them as well. I actually hope Rockstar takes a few pointers from the SR team in their development of GTA4.

monie11k

I dont think rockstar needs to take any pointers from volition when its volition who basically cloned rockstars game.

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Can there not be room for more than one well reviewed game in any given genre? Exactly what issue do some of you (whom have clearly never played more than 5 minutes of the game) have with Saints Row? It may have lacked a little something, or felt a little sterile here and there, but underneath, SR was a very enjoyable game and a worthy game in anyone's library. I found quite a few things to not only match the past GTA's in the franchise, but to surpass them as well. I actually hope Rockstar takes a few pointers from the SR team in their development of GTA4.

AlwaysSoft

I dont think rockstar needs to take any pointers from volition when its volition who basically cloned rockstars game.

rockstar already had their formula for GTA down when it was 2d.... i dont know how taking what they already had and adding a 3d engine to evolve with the times is necessarily bad...

[QUOTE="AlwaysSoft"][QUOTE="monie11k"][QUOTE="AlwaysSoft"]

Can there not be room for more than one well reviewed game in any given genre? Exactly what issue do some of you (whom have clearly never played more than 5 minutes of the game) have with Saints Row? It may have lacked a little something, or felt a little sterile here and there, but underneath, SR was a very enjoyable game and a worthy game in anyone's library. I found quite a few things to not only match the past GTA's in the franchise, but to surpass them as well. I actually hope Rockstar takes a few pointers from the SR team in their development of GTA4.

monie11k

I dont think rockstar needs to take any pointers from volition when its volition who basically cloned rockstars game.

rockstar already had their formula for GTA down when it was 2d.... i dont know how taking what they already had and adding a 3d engine to evolve with the times is necessarily bad...

Of course they could've stuck with the whole top down car chase thing that they pioneered (since you apparently believe there is not really any difference).......... however, I think we'd both agree that it needed to do what Driver had already done to enjoy any real success.

i much preferred crackdown to saints row, because it was something more than just a rip off of GTA. sure I had fun in SR for about 20 mins, but that was about it. it seems a decent game, but meh, these games arent cheap and i'd much rather have the real thing.OneWingedAngeI

(EDIT) These disappearing spaces are a ridiculousnuisance.

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[QUOTE="AlwaysSoft"][QUOTE="monie11k"][QUOTE="AlwaysSoft"]

Can there not be room for more than one well reviewed game in any given genre? Exactly what issue do some of you (whom have clearly never played more than 5 minutes of the game) have with Saints Row? It may have lacked a little something, or felt a little sterile here and there, but underneath, SR was a very enjoyable game and a worthy game in anyone's library. I found quite a few things to not only match the past GTA's in the franchise, but to surpass them as well. I actually hope Rockstar takes a few pointers from the SR team in their development of GTA4.

AlwaysSoft

I dont think rockstar needs to take any pointers from volition when its volition who basically cloned rockstars game.

rockstar already had their formula for GTA down when it was 2d.... i dont know how taking what they already had and adding a 3d engine to evolve with the times is necessarily bad...

Of course they could've stuck with the whole top down car chase thing that they pioneered (since you apparently believe there is not really any difference).......... however, I think we'd both agree that it needed to do what Driver had already done to enjoy any real success.

i think 3d technology is to thank not driver,:lol:

rockstar could have easily made a 3d GTA in the PS1 era but esshh imagine the limitations yuck.

Driver did it first either way you want to put it. Sure Rockstar did the whole top down 2d car chase game first, but it wasn't until they went the route of Driver that they garnered any success.

Of course they could've stuck with the whole top down car chase thing that they pioneered (since you apparently believe there is not really any difference).......... however, I think we'd both agree that it needed to do what Driver had already done to enjoy any real success.

AlwaysSoft

Thats like giving Jumping Flash credit for Mario 64.Being first and being influential are two different things, especially when you're talking about games making a transition from 2D to 3D.

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Driver did it first either way you want to put it. Sure Rockstar did the whole top down 2d car chase game first, but it wasn't until they went the route of Driver that they garnered any success.

Of course they could've stuck with the whole top down car chase thing that they pioneered (since you apparently believe there is not really any difference).......... however, I think we'd both agree that it needed to do what Driver had already done to enjoy any real success.

H3LLRaiseR

Thats like giving Jumping Flash credit for Mario 64.Being first and being influential are two different things, especially when you're talking about games making a transition from 2D to 3D.

Driver was well done (speeding around the city was incrediblely fun), but in the original Driver one stayed in the car the entire time. In Driver 2 one could leave the vehicle, but the out of vehicle segments were broken and the whole game just felt much less polished than the original.

Even GTA IV dosent look as good as Saints Row.

GodModeEnabled

No offense, but that's the most ridiculous thing I've read here in months.

Have you actually seen the high-res shots or video of GTAIV? Despite being an open world title, it looks better than most of the games out there and has some of the best lighting effects I've seen thus far in any game period. It looks leagues better than SR and SR2.