Yes, NOW YOU TELL ME you uploaded PC-FX games. Could have mentioned that. Oh wait, because your ignorance somehow makes you say 8 bad games=Bad system. Wait, I mean 9, how many do you own? Doesn't mattewr, not enough. Also, YOU FINALLY admitted to never owning the system, I am so proud of you we are getting somewhere. Also, the list was showing you that there were good games on the title. If you had payed any attention you would have realize the whole point of this arguement was you saying the 3DO was trash and barely had good game in it's library compared to the SS and I said the system had good games. I post a lits of quality games and you post a list of SS games which has NOTHING to do with the arguement. If I said Saturn based on mainstream, that Saturn barely had any known worthwile games you would put up a list of Saturn Games YOU think are quality that aren't known that much by people at the time. However, I DID THE EXACT SAME THING but however, these are not my opinion, almost every person who owns a 3DO or the very few sites that review games for it universally agree that at least all if not most of the games just in MY LIBRARY of games are Quality. Not your "2 people played it and it's good but other people at the time didn;t agree." I am using universal reviews, you are using opinion. Also notice that even today, half the people would disagree with more then half your list while if they played the 3DO games they would probably agree. ONCE A FREAKING AGAIN you have messed up, tried to dodge, backpeddle, tried to change subjects, and you still ended up failing. There is nothing simpler than that. However, if this was a N64 vs. Saturn thread and I did the exact same thing for the Saturn I probably would be praised but I do it for the 3DO and bam, it makes no sense. All that is just ignorance and bias. You know nothing about the 3DO library, you don't even own or probably ever played the console. You failed just stop and let it go, what your doing doesn't even make sense.Yes. I'm just lying to impress you. That's why I have uploaded a bunch of PC-FX videos YEARS AGO on this site that I ripped directly from my games. That's why I've reviewed a bunch of PC-FX games on this site too. And that's why I have the NEC banner on my signature, have had it for years.
All done just to impress you. (hilarious really)
But anyway, the PC-FX games I own are (and I own 9 games actually) : Tyoushin Heiki Zeroigar, Battle Heat, Der Langrisser FX, Team Innocent, Tekipaki Working Love FX, NIRGENDS, Konpeki no Kantai, Tengai Makyou : Karakuri Kakudoten and Galaxy Fraulein Yuna FX.
I even own Policenauts, Virtual Puppet : Reika, Ultraman Powered Up (total crap) and Gakkou no Kowai Usawa: Hanako-san ga Kite!! for the 3DO even though I've never owned the actual system.
And since we're on name gaming, I can put a bunch of great SS games out of my memorie without even trying to go too deep into it.
- Radiant Silvergun
- Dynamite Deka
- Shining Force III : Trilogy
- Shining the Holy Ark
- Panzer Dragoon
- Panzer Dragoon II : Zwei
- AZEL : Panzer Dragoon RPG
- Burning Rangers
- Daytona USA CCE
- SEGA Rally
- Astal
- Shin Shinobi X
- Assault Suit Leynos 2
- Clockwork Knight I & II
- NiGHTS : Into Dreams
- Dungeons & Dragons Collection
- Tengai Makyou IV : The Apocalypse
- Princess Crown
- Batsugun
- Battle Garegga
- Bulk Slash
- Fighters Megamix
- Last Bronx
- Fighting Vipers
- Dark Savior
- Cotton 2
- Guardian Heroes
- Hyper Duel
- Grandia
- Street Zero 3
- X-Men vs. Street Fighter
- Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter
- Prikura Daisakusen
- Deep Fear
- Enemy Zero
- The Story of Thor 2
- Gun Griffon
- Gun Griffon II
- Daina Airan
- Blue Seed
- Elevator Action Returns
- Dragon Force
- Dragon Force II
Panzer_Zwei
Saturn oe 3DO (to buy)
This topic is locked from further discussion.
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] well all those systems were popular in Japan , and as far as consoles, Japan was bigger (in terms of developers) , so its not too hard to believe. though I would like to add that I like the 3DO , at least from the 13 games i have for it, I disagree with that infamous gametrailers list which put it as one of the worst consoles ever. at the same time, I like the Saturn more , even though I have 88 games for it, there are still many I would like to get, that shows something.. and its not about sales like has been suggested , if it was about sales, none of us would vouch for the Saturn either, it sold alot better than 3DO ( literally a 5X difference) , but it wasn't exactly a huge success itself.Darkman2007
Not as popular as the Saturn though. I mean, in terms of units sold, software released, third parties interest, the SS was the more popular console of those three.
Of course the Saturn benefited from a wider and more prolific game market than during the PC-ENGINE time, but you know what I'm saying.
Actually, I see the fact that the Dreamcast got over 700 games as more surprising.
which 3 ? you mean PC Engine , 3DO and Saturn? Im not sure how much the PC Engine sold, I know the 3DO sold around 2 million , and the Saturn around 10 million.
Sega was suffering from some 3rd party issues during the DC era , but they made up for it in one way, the DC hardware was very good, meaning game development was easier/cheaper/quicker , so im not surprised it got to 700 games.
I meant the PC-Engine and Dreamcast. The SS sold more than the N64 in Japan. Neither the PC-Engine nor Dreamcast sold as much.Though it's not like any of those numbers are impressive in the first place.
Yet if we take in mind that the Dreamcast also had more (a lot more actually) market potential than the SS though. And the millions upon millions that the company spend promoting it (that didn't happened for the SS). It was certainly a colossal disappointment the system couldn't perform even as good as the SS in Japan.
[QUOTE="Pegalamp"]
Well since nobody else has anything left to say time to drink the victory cup and head home. Sad really.
bultje112
can this 12 year old idiot be banned? he just trys to go against the flow and say something different and weird just for the sake of doing that. he's more clueless than gw bush at a hard****(wtf can't say st(y)le?!!)party
So because you either 1. Don;t follow the conversation. 2.Blindly supporting a fellow member without knowing what the conversation was about. or 3. Know nothing of the 3DOs library like him and are assuming he's right based on ignorance and bias I should be banned and suddenly I am 12? Really? Is that the best Damage Control you have to offer? Insults?
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
Not as popular as the Saturn though. I mean, in terms of units sold, software released, third parties interest, the SS was the more popular console of those three.
Of course the Saturn benefited from a wider and more prolific game market than during the PC-ENGINE time, but you know what I'm saying.
Actually, I see the fact that the Dreamcast got over 700 games as more surprising.
Panzer_Zwei
which 3 ? you mean PC Engine , 3DO and Saturn? Im not sure how much the PC Engine sold, I know the 3DO sold around 2 million , and the Saturn around 10 million.
Sega was suffering from some 3rd party issues during the DC era , but they made up for it in one way, the DC hardware was very good, meaning game development was easier/cheaper/quicker , so im not surprised it got to 700 games.
I meant the PC-Engine and Dreamcast. The SS sold more than the N64 in Japan. Neither the PC-Engine nor Dreamcast sold as much.Though it's not like any of those numbers are impressive in the first place.
Yet if we take in mind that the Dreamcast also had more (a lot more actually) market potential than the SS though. And the millions upon millions that the company spend promoting it (that didn't happened for the SS). It was certainly a colossal disappointment the system couldn't perform even as good as the SS in Japan.
hmm , the PC Engine was outsold by the Saturn in Japan ? thats surprising, Im going to assume it also sold less worldwide given the TG16 never even officialy made it to Europe.
and I think we both know why the N64 disappointed in Japan , it lacked the kind of games Japanese gamers are after most , that would have been part of it.
Yes, NOW YOU TELL ME you uploaded PC-FX games. Could have mentioned that. Oh wait, because your ignorance somehow makes you say 8 bad games=Bad system. Wait, I mean 9, how many do you own? Doesn't mattewr, not enough. Also, YOU FINALLY admitted to never owning the system, I am so proud of you we are getting somewhere. Also, the list was showing you that there were good games on the title. If you had payed any attention you would have realize the whole point of this arguement was you saying the 3DO was trash and barely had good game in it's library compared to the SS and I said the system had good games. I post a lits of quality games and you post a list of SS games which has NOTHING to do with the arguement. If I said Saturn based on mainstream, that Saturn barely had any known worthwile games you would put up a list of Saturn Games YOU think are quality that aren't known that much by people at the time. However, I DID THE EXACT SAME THING but however, these are not my opinion, almost every person who owns a 3DO or the very few sites that review games for it universally agree that at least all if not most of the games just in MY LIBRARY of games are Quality. Not your "2 people played it and it's good but other people at the time didn;t agree." I am using universal reviews, you are using opinion. Also notice that even today, half the people would disagree with more then half your list while if they played the 3DO games they would probably agree. ONCE A FREAKING AGAIN you have messed up, tried to dodge, backpeddle, tried to change subjects, and you still ended up failing. There is nothing simpler than that. However, if this was a N64 vs. Saturn thread and I did the exact same thing for the Saturn I probably would be praised but I do it for the 3DO and bam, it makes no sense. All that is just ignorance and bias. You know nothing about the 3DO library, you don't even own or probably ever played the console. You failed just stop and let it go, what your doing doesn't even make sense.[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
Yes. I'm just lying to impress you. That's why I have uploaded a bunch of PC-FX videos YEARS AGO on this site that I ripped directly from my games. That's why I've reviewed a bunch of PC-FX games on this site too. And that's why I have the NEC banner on my signature, have had it for years.
All done just to impress you. (hilarious really)
But anyway, the PC-FX games I own are (and I own 9 games actually) : Tyoushin Heiki Zeroigar, Battle Heat, Der Langrisser FX, Team Innocent, Tekipaki Working Love FX, NIRGENDS, Konpeki no Kantai, Tengai Makyou : Karakuri Kakudoten and Galaxy Fraulein Yuna FX.
I even own Policenauts, Virtual Puppet : Reika, Ultraman Powered Up (total crap) and Gakkou no Kowai Usawa: Hanako-san ga Kite!! for the 3DO even though I've never owned the actual system.
And since we're on name gaming, I can put a bunch of great SS games out of my memorie without even trying to go too deep into it.
- Radiant Silvergun
- Dynamite Deka
- Shining Force III : Trilogy
- Shining the Holy Ark
- Panzer Dragoon
- Panzer Dragoon II : Zwei
- AZEL : Panzer Dragoon RPG
- Burning Rangers
- Daytona USA CCE
- SEGA Rally
- Astal
- Shin Shinobi X
- Assault Suit Leynos 2
- Clockwork Knight I & II
- NiGHTS : Into Dreams
- Dungeons & Dragons Collection
- Tengai Makyou IV : The Apocalypse
- Princess Crown
- Batsugun
- Battle Garegga
- Bulk Slash
- Fighters Megamix
- Last Bronx
- Fighting Vipers
- Dark Savior
- Cotton 2
- Guardian Heroes
- Hyper Duel
- Grandia
- Street Zero 3
- X-Men vs. Street Fighter
- Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter
- Prikura Daisakusen
- Deep Fear
- Enemy Zero
- The Story of Thor 2
- Gun Griffon
- Gun Griffon II
- Daina Airan
- Blue Seed
- Elevator Action Returns
- Dragon Force
- Dragon Force II
Pegalamp
So by your failed logic, if you want to buy a car and there are two choices, you have to buy them both to think one is sub-par in comparison to the other? Ever heard of being informed? Or test drives?
You think I've never played a 3DO? I know what's on the system, and what you say continues to be ridiculous nonetheless.
As for the PC-FX. Yes, the system is crap. There was only 60 something software released and like 10-15 are CD magazines. The reason I only have 9 games for it, is because there's ABSOLUTELTY NOTHING left on the system that interests me. But of course, going by your nonsensic rationale, someone would need to buy most of those crappy 60 games to come to an infromed conclusion that the system sucked big time.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Maybe you should actually read at all the nonsense that you're typing. There are posters here that like the 3DO and even they find your claims ridiculous and without any value.
Yes, NOW YOU TELL ME you uploaded PC-FX games. Could have mentioned that. Oh wait, because your ignorance somehow makes you say 8 bad games=Bad system. Wait, I mean 9, how many do you own? Doesn't mattewr, not enough. Also, YOU FINALLY admitted to never owning the system, I am so proud of you we are getting somewhere. Also, the list was showing you that there were good games on the title. If you had payed any attention you would have realize the whole point of this arguement was you saying the 3DO was trash and barely had good game in it's library compared to the SS and I said the system had good games. I post a lits of quality games and you post a list of SS games which has NOTHING to do with the arguement. If I said Saturn based on mainstream, that Saturn barely had any known worthwile games you would put up a list of Saturn Games YOU think are quality that aren't known that much by people at the time. However, I DID THE EXACT SAME THING but however, these are not my opinion, almost every person who owns a 3DO or the very few sites that review games for it universally agree that at least all if not most of the games just in MY LIBRARY of games are Quality. Not your "2 people played it and it's good but other people at the time didn;t agree." I am using universal reviews, you are using opinion. Also notice that even today, half the people would disagree with more then half your list while if they played the 3DO games they would probably agree. ONCE A FREAKING AGAIN you have messed up, tried to dodge, backpeddle, tried to change subjects, and you still ended up failing. There is nothing simpler than that. However, if this was a N64 vs. Saturn thread and I did the exact same thing for the Saturn I probably would be praised but I do it for the 3DO and bam, it makes no sense. All that is just ignorance and bias. You know nothing about the 3DO library, you don't even own or probably ever played the console. You failed just stop and let it go, what your doing doesn't even make sense.[QUOTE="Pegalamp"]
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
Yes. I'm just lying to impress you. That's why I have uploaded a bunch of PC-FX videos YEARS AGO on this site that I ripped directly from my games. That's why I've reviewed a bunch of PC-FX games on this site too. And that's why I have the NEC banner on my signature, have had it for years.
All done just to impress you. (hilarious really)
But anyway, the PC-FX games I own are (and I own 9 games actually) : Tyoushin Heiki Zeroigar, Battle Heat, Der Langrisser FX, Team Innocent, Tekipaki Working Love FX, NIRGENDS, Konpeki no Kantai, Tengai Makyou : Karakuri Kakudoten and Galaxy Fraulein Yuna FX.
I even own Policenauts, Virtual Puppet : Reika, Ultraman Powered Up (total crap) and Gakkou no Kowai Usawa: Hanako-san ga Kite!! for the 3DO even though I've never owned the actual system.
And since we're on name gaming, I can put a bunch of great SS games out of my memorie without even trying to go too deep into it.
- Radiant Silvergun
- Dynamite Deka
- Shining Force III : Trilogy
- Shining the Holy Ark
- Panzer Dragoon
- Panzer Dragoon II : Zwei
- AZEL : Panzer Dragoon RPG
- Burning Rangers
- Daytona USA CCE
- SEGA Rally
- Astal
- Shin Shinobi X
- Assault Suit Leynos 2
- Clockwork Knight I & II
- NiGHTS : Into Dreams
- Dungeons & Dragons Collection
- Tengai Makyou IV : The Apocalypse
- Princess Crown
- Batsugun
- Battle Garegga
- Bulk Slash
- Fighters Megamix
- Last Bronx
- Fighting Vipers
- Dark Savior
- Cotton 2
- Guardian Heroes
- Hyper Duel
- Grandia
- Street Zero 3
- X-Men vs. Street Fighter
- Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter
- Prikura Daisakusen
- Deep Fear
- Enemy Zero
- The Story of Thor 2
- Gun Griffon
- Gun Griffon II
- Daina Airan
- Blue Seed
- Elevator Action Returns
- Dragon Force
- Dragon Force II
Panzer_Zwei
So by your failed logic, if you want to buy a car and there are two choices, you have to buy them both to think one is sub-par in comparison to the other? Ever heard of being informed? Or test drives?
You think I've never played a 3DO? I know what's on the system, and what you say continues to be ridiculous nonetheless.
As for the PC-FX. Yes, the system is crap. There was only 60 something software released and like 10-15 are CD magazines. The reason I only have 9 games for it, is because there's ABSOLUTELTY NOTHING left on the system that interests me.
Maybe you should actually read at all the nonsense that you're typing. There are posters here that like the 3DO and even they find your claims ridiculous and without any value.
well all those systems were popular in Japan , and as far as consoles, Japan was bigger (in terms of developers) , so its not too hard to believe. though I would like to add that I like the 3DO , at least from the 13 games i have for it, I disagree with that infamous gametrailers list which put it as one of the worst consoles ever. at the same time, I like the Saturn more , even though I have 88 games for it, there are still many I would like to get, that shows something.. and its not about sales like has been suggested , if it was about sales, none of us would vouch for the Saturn either, it sold alot better than 3DO ( literally a 5X difference) , but it wasn't exactly a huge success itself.[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
I don't know why it's so hard to believe though. I mean, 800 games isn't that many
The PC-ENGINE got above 500 CD-ROM games alone. The Dreamcast got around 700 games even.
Panzer_Zwei
Not as popular as the Saturn though. I mean, in terms of units sold, software released, third parties interest, the SS was the more popular console of those three.
Of course the Saturn benefited from a wider and more prolific game market than during the PC-ENGINE time, but you know what I'm saying.
Actually, I see the fact that the Dreamcast got over 700 games as more surprising.
pc engine sold a lot more than saturn. it outsold the nes basically from the get go and gave the snes a run for it's money. megadrive with it's total of 5 million never came close. I don't know exact numbers but at least 10 million I believe.
The thing is that while the PC-Engine was indeed very popular in Japan. This popularity was never on the level of what most people assume as a popular system.hmm , the PC Engine was outsold by the Saturn in Japan ? thats surprising, Im going to assume it also sold less worldwide given the TG16 never even officialy made it to Europe.
and I think we both know why the N64 disappointed in Japan , it lacked the kind of games Japanese gamers are after most , that would have been part of it.
Darkman2007
For example, the PC-Engine had no single million selling game or anything. Its best-seller CD-ROM game was Tokimeki Memorial I think.
T
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] well all those systems were popular in Japan , and as far as consoles, Japan was bigger (in terms of developers) , so its not too hard to believe. though I would like to add that I like the 3DO , at least from the 13 games i have for it, I disagree with that infamous gametrailers list which put it as one of the worst consoles ever. at the same time, I like the Saturn more , even though I have 88 games for it, there are still many I would like to get, that shows something.. and its not about sales like has been suggested , if it was about sales, none of us would vouch for the Saturn either, it sold alot better than 3DO ( literally a 5X difference) , but it wasn't exactly a huge success itself.bultje112
Not as popular as the Saturn though. I mean, in terms of units sold, software released, third parties interest, the SS was the more popular console of those three.
Of course the Saturn benefited from a wider and more prolific game market than during the PC-ENGINE time, but you know what I'm saying.
Actually, I see the fact that the Dreamcast got over 700 games as more surprising.
pc engine sold a lot more than saturn. it outsold the nes basically from the get go and gave the snes a run for it's money. megadrive with it's total of 5 million never came close. I don't know exact numbers but at least 10 million I believe.
I'm sure it didn't. And yeah, only in the beginning, but aftewards the system ran out of steam in Japan too.I'm gonna look for the sales numbers on the Japanese sites, though the system had a lot of redesigns, and we'd need to add the CD-ROM attachments too.
Still, I highly doubt its total sales came close to 10 million.
Not a chance.
[QUOTE="bultje112"]
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
Not as popular as the Saturn though. I mean, in terms of units sold, software released, third parties interest, the SS was the more popular console of those three.
Of course the Saturn benefited from a wider and more prolific game market than during the PC-ENGINE time, but you know what I'm saying.
Actually, I see the fact that the Dreamcast got over 700 games as more surprising.
Panzer_Zwei
pc engine sold a lot more than saturn. it outsold the nes basically from the get go and gave the snes a run for it's money. megadrive with it's total of 5 million never came close. I don't know exact numbers but at least 10 million I believe.
I'm sure it didn't. And yeah, only in the beginning, but aftewards the system ran out of steam in Japan too.I'm gonna look for the sales numbers on the Japanese sites, though the system had a lot of redesigns, and we'd need to add the CD-ROM attachments too.
Still, I highly doubt its total sales came close to 10 million.
Not a chance.
Gamepro claims it sold 10 million , but Gamepro is Gamepro , Id rather have more sources.
though I wouldn't say Pegalump's opinion is ridiculous in any way, if thats what he thinks, thats what he thinks,
Im sure there are enough people thinking we are insane if we say the Saturn is better than the N64 or the Dreamcast.
I'm sure it didn't. And yeah, only in the beginning, but aftewards the system ran out of steam in Japan too.[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
[QUOTE="bultje112"]
pc engine sold a lot more than saturn. it outsold the nes basically from the get go and gave the snes a run for it's money. megadrive with it's total of 5 million never came close. I don't know exact numbers but at least 10 million I believe.
Darkman2007
I'm gonna look for the sales numbers on the Japanese sites, though the system had a lot of redesigns, and we'd need to add the CD-ROM attachments too.
Still, I highly doubt its total sales came close to 10 million.
Not a chance.
Gamepro claims it sold 10 million , but Gamepro is Gamepro , Id rather have more sources.
though I wouldn't say Pegalump's opinion is ridiculous in any way, if thats what he thinks, thats what he thinks,
Im sure there are enough people thinking we are insane if we say the Saturn is better than the N64 or the Dreamcast.
I found this hardware rank list. I posted it, but I deleted it because I wasn't sure about it (it's not the list I saw before).
It a sort of hardware unit ranking list of shipped units, domestic (Japanese) and overseas.
http://www.d6.dion.ne.jp/~yosou-oh/hard2.htm
Take a look if you want. At least is another source.
Where are you geting the letter u from? You can't spell lamp? lol.Pegalampgot it wrong, not sure why it was lump :P
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]I'm sure it didn't. And yeah, only in the beginning, but aftewards the system ran out of steam in Japan too.
I'm gonna look for the sales numbers on the Japanese sites, though the system had a lot of redesigns, and we'd need to add the CD-ROM attachments too.
Still, I highly doubt its total sales came close to 10 million.
Not a chance.
Panzer_Zwei
Gamepro claims it sold 10 million , but Gamepro is Gamepro , Id rather have more sources.
though I wouldn't say Pegalump's opinion is ridiculous in any way, if thats what he thinks, thats what he thinks,
Im sure there are enough people thinking we are insane if we say the Saturn is better than the N64 or the Dreamcast.
I found this hardware rank list. I posted it, but I deleted it because I wasn't sure about it (it's not the list I saw before).
It a sort of hardware unit ranking list of shipped units, domestic (Japanese) and overseas.
http://www.d6.dion.ne.jp/~yosou-oh/hard2.htm
Take a look if you want. At least is another source.
which one talks about sales?
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
Gamepro claims it sold 10 million , but Gamepro is Gamepro , Id rather have more sources.
though I wouldn't say Pegalump's opinion is ridiculous in any way, if thats what he thinks, thats what he thinks,
Im sure there are enough people thinking we are insane if we say the Saturn is better than the N64 or the Dreamcast.
Darkman2007
I found this hardware rank list. I posted it, but I deleted it because I wasn't sure about it (it's not the list I saw before).
It a sort of hardware unit ranking list of shipped units, domestic (Japanese) and overseas.
http://www.d6.dion.ne.jp/~yosou-oh/hard2.htm
Take a look if you want. At least is another source.
which one talks about sales?
Sorry, use google or babelfish to translate it. For some reason GS isn't letting me paste the translated page.
From my understanding though, the PC-ENGINE started to run out of steam by 1990 (lost a chunk of previously strong third party support like NAMCO too). Then the CD-ROM is what kept running.
That's why in Japan people use PC-ENGINE in general and not diferentiate the core system from the CD-ROM attachment like its the case with the Mega Drive.
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
I found this hardware rank list. I posted it, but I deleted it because I wasn't sure about it (it's not the list I saw before).
It a sort of hardware unit ranking list of shipped units, domestic (Japanese) and overseas.
http://www.d6.dion.ne.jp/~yosou-oh/hard2.htm
Take a look if you want. At least is another source.
Panzer_Zwei
which one talks about sales?
Sorry, use google or babelfish to translate it. For some reason GS isn't letting me paste the translated page.
From my understanding though, the PC-ENGINE started to run out of steam by 1990 (lost a chunk of previously strong third party support like NAMCO too). Then the CD-ROM is what kept running.
That's why in Japan people use PC-ENGINE in general and not diferentiate the core system from the CD-ROM attachment like its the case with the Mega Drive.
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d6.dion.ne.jp%2F%7Eyosou-oh%2Fhard2.htm&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
here it is. translated.
interesting, according to this the Saturn sold 14 million? Id be surprised if thats the case.
wait Im assuming thats worldwide?
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
which one talks about sales?
Darkman2007
Sorry, use google or babelfish to translate it. For some reason GS isn't letting me paste the translated page.
From my understanding though, the PC-ENGINE started to run out of steam by 1990 (lost a chunk of previously strong third party support like NAMCO too). Then the CD-ROM is what kept running.
That's why in Japan people use PC-ENGINE in general and not diferentiate the core system from the CD-ROM attachment like its the case with the Mega Drive.
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d6.dion.ne.jp%2F%7Eyosou-oh%2Fhard2.htm&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
here it is. translated.
interesting, according to this the Saturn sold 14 million? Id be surprised if thats the case.
wait Im assuming thats worldwide?
I think it's more likely that it shipped 14 million. It seems to be a shipment ranking (more accurate I think). Of course I could be wrong.Still, sales cannot exceed shipments anyway.
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
Sorry, use google or babelfish to translate it. For some reason GS isn't letting me paste the translated page.
From my understanding though, the PC-ENGINE started to run out of steam by 1990 (lost a chunk of previously strong third party support like NAMCO too). Then the CD-ROM is what kept running.
That's why in Japan people use PC-ENGINE in general and not diferentiate the core system from the CD-ROM attachment like its the case with the Mega Drive.
Panzer_Zwei
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d6.dion.ne.jp%2F%7Eyosou-oh%2Fhard2.htm&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
here it is. translated.
interesting, according to this the Saturn sold 14 million? Id be surprised if thats the case.
wait Im assuming thats worldwide?
I think it's more likely that it shipped 14 million. It seems to be a shipment ranking (more accurate I think).Still, sales cannot exceed shipments anyway.
ie, this is what got sent to the shops, rather than what was actually sold.
very odd that it even shipped that much , more than Dreamcast or PC Engine. then the question is, how many of those actually got sold.
I think it's more likely that it shipped 14 million. It seems to be a shipment ranking (more accurate I think).[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d6.dion.ne.jp%2F%7Eyosou-oh%2Fhard2.htm&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
here it is. translated.
interesting, according to this the Saturn sold 14 million? Id be surprised if thats the case.
wait Im assuming thats worldwide?
Darkman2007
Still, sales cannot exceed shipments anyway.
ie, this is what got sent to the shops, rather than what was actually sold.
very odd that it even shipped that much , more than Dreamcast or PC Engine. then the question is, how many of those actually got sold.
Not surprising given that the Dreamcast stopped being produced, remember. SEGA of Japan was basically selling refurbished units.
I think it did very good considering the circumstances actually. Had the production not ended, it certainly would've shipped more.
Still, we can't forget the fact that the Dreamcast had massive clearance sales in the west. These were no good at all, and don't hold the same weight IMO.
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]I think it's more likely that it shipped 14 million. It seems to be a shipment ranking (more accurate I think).
Still, sales cannot exceed shipments anyway.
Panzer_Zwei
ie, this is what got sent to the shops, rather than what was actually sold.
very odd that it even shipped that much , more than Dreamcast or PC Engine. then the question is, how many of those actually got sold.
Not surprising given that the Dreamcast stopped being produced, remember. SEGA of Japan was basically selling refurbished units.
I think it did very good considering the circumstances actually. Had the production not ended, it certainly would've shipped more.
Still, we can't forget the fact that the Dreamcast had massive clearance sales in the west. These were no good at all, and don't hold the same weight IMO.
as far as I remember Sega did something similar with the Saturn , basically trying to get rid of their existing Saturns before production ended.
Dreamcast was really just out in a bad time, and Sega, were a smaller company than they were during the Saturn days.
Wow. . .umm, no contest, the Saturn by far!
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
ie, this is what got sent to the shops, rather than what was actually sold.
very odd that it even shipped that much , more than Dreamcast or PC Engine. then the question is, how many of those actually got sold.
Darkman2007
Not surprising given that the Dreamcast stopped being produced, remember. SEGA of Japan was basically selling refurbished units.
I think it did very good considering the circumstances actually. Had the production not ended, it certainly would've shipped more.
Still, we can't forget the fact that the Dreamcast had massive clearance sales in the west. These were no good at all, and don't hold the same weight IMO.
as far as I remember Sega did something similar with the Saturn , basically trying to get rid of their existing Saturns before production ended.
Dreamcast was really just out in a bad time, and Sega, were a smaller company than they were during the Saturn days.
It wasn't the same thing though. The SS western sales didn't accounted for much in the first place. Even if the total SS units in the west were sold at bargain bin prices, it still wouldn't match the disaster that was the DC.
In Japan consumers supported the SS. They bought the system, and software.
In the west, if the clearance sales weren't enough, there was also the rampant piracy.
In my opinion, the SS wasn't only more susccesful, but it also had a better user base that actually supported the system, and not just pirated games like crazy.
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
Not surprising given that the Dreamcast stopped being produced, remember. SEGA of Japan was basically selling refurbished units.
I think it did very good considering the circumstances actually. Had the production not ended, it certainly would've shipped more.
Still, we can't forget the fact that the Dreamcast had massive clearance sales in the west. These were no good at all, and don't hold the same weight IMO.
Panzer_Zwei
as far as I remember Sega did something similar with the Saturn , basically trying to get rid of their existing Saturns before production ended.
though it confuses me why Sega didn't implement copy protection in the DC.
Dreamcast was really just out in a bad time, and Sega, were a smaller company than they were during the Saturn days.
It wasn't the same thing though. The SS western sales didn't accounted for much in the first place. Even if the total SS units in the west were sold at bargain bin prices, it still wouldn't match the disaster that was the DC.
In Japan consumers supported the SS. They bought the system, and software.
In the west, if the clearance sales weren't enough, there was also the rampant piracy.
In my opinion, the SS wasn't only more susccesful, but it also had a better user base that actually supported the system, and not just pirated games like crazy.
well in regards to piracy I think its really a case of the gold being out in the open , that is, its easy to pirate games on the DC, therefore there was more of it.I think it's more likely that it shipped 14 million. It seems to be a shipment ranking (more accurate I think).[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d6.dion.ne.jp%2F%7Eyosou-oh%2Fhard2.htm&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
here it is. translated.
interesting, according to this the Saturn sold 14 million? Id be surprised if thats the case.
wait Im assuming thats worldwide?
Darkman2007
Still, sales cannot exceed shipments anyway.
ie, this is what got sent to the shops, rather than what was actually sold.
very odd that it even shipped that much , more than Dreamcast or PC Engine. then the question is, how many of those actually got sold.
if it shipped 14 million then that's also what they sold (eventually) however I wonder how many of these are maybe un unknown foriegn markets like midle east, south america, asia etc. japan sold 7 million saturns I think and usa 3.5 europe maybe a little over 1 million, of which most in uk. maybe some of these are wrong, especially europe.
megadrive official sales were 28.5 by sega but in reality were over 35 million. sega has often been only company to downplay sales figures for whatever reason
also sega cd is very off if those are worldwide sales. sega cd actually sold 6.5 million worldwide, of which 2.5 in japan. where it was quite succesful sonsidering half the megadrive users bought one
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]
Not surprising given that the Dreamcast stopped being produced, remember. SEGA of Japan was basically selling refurbished units.
I think it did very good considering the circumstances actually. Had the production not ended, it certainly would've shipped more.
Still, we can't forget the fact that the Dreamcast had massive clearance sales in the west. These were no good at all, and don't hold the same weight IMO.
Panzer_Zwei
as far as I remember Sega did something similar with the Saturn , basically trying to get rid of their existing Saturns before production ended.
Dreamcast was really just out in a bad time, and Sega, were a smaller company than they were during the Saturn days.
It wasn't the same thing though. The SS western sales didn't accounted for much in the first place. Even if the total SS units in the west were sold at bargain bin prices, it still wouldn't match the disaster that was the DC.
In Japan consumers supported the SS. They bought the system, and software.
In the west, if the clearance sales weren't enough, there was also the rampant piracy.
In my opinion, the SS wasn't only more susccesful, but it also had a better user base that actually supported the system, and not just pirated games like crazy.
the piracy scene for dreamcast was non-existant until spetember 2000, before that dreamcast had it's most succesful year ever selling 6 million worldwide up to that point also at 150+$ prices, in europe a lot more btw. also in europe dreamcasts never sold for 50$ and dreamcast was very succesful in europe. especially in uk and southern europe, were sega was alwayts popular.
Some games people seem to love I did not...like Albert Odyssey. I love RPG's, but I found it to be just about as generic as you can get. Also, I did not import anything. So all I had access to was what was released here in the US (I played these systems when they came out...before the internet made gaming easier as far as purchasing/acquiring)the saturn truly shines in it's exlusive titles. dragon force is only the tip of the iceberg in this regards. what other games did you try?
bultje112
[QUOTE="bultje112"]Some games people seem to love I did not...like Albert Odyssey. I love RPG's, but I found it to be just about as generic as you can get. Also, I did not import anything. So all I had access to was what was released here in the US (I played these systems when they came out...before the internet made gaming easier as far as purchasing/acquiring) I still don't understand the concept of "if its on PS1 as well , then there is no point in the Saturn version" . I mean , looking at my collection , some multiplats I own on the PS1 , some I own on the Saturn , and some I own for both . unless of course, you can't find the Saturn versions for a reasonable price, in which case I would understandable, but it would also be a case of not looking in the right places.the saturn truly shines in it's exlusive titles. dragon force is only the tip of the iceberg in this regards. what other games did you try?
rawsavon
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] so when I post comparisons , its not me telling them to get it, but simply correcting them on being wrong, the only time I will tell someone to really avoid a version is if that version is crap (like Saturn Doom , or PS1 XvsSF ) though I will admit I am more interested in finding out the differences between versions more than most.rawsavon...the above illustrates what I am talking about. I have never said you come across as mean spirited or with a bias (though you have admitted to defending some consoles more than others, but you stated/explained why) What I am saying is that you seem to care about things that most do not. How many people are going to do a graphical comparison of Grandia...how many people care? It is not a bad thing that you do (you are passionate), but my point is that this stuff doesn't matter to most people. That is why you don't 'agree' with someone just buying a PS1 b/c they can get most all the games they want on it (instead of getting the Saturn version you showed to be better). I 'get' you/your position. But most anyone asking a question (not doing these comparisons themselves) does not have your level of...hmmm....commitment. You are about as niche a segment as one can get. Most people are not like that -gamers are a segment -gamers that post on a gamesite are a smaller segment -gamers that post in the legacy forums are an even smaller segment -gamers willingly doing graphical comparisons of games a decade+ old are about as small a segment as you get I just think you need to keep that in mind when making recommendations is all
I get you, though trust me Im not as niche as you think (threre are people who are even more niche than me on these things ) , maybe Im more knowledgable, but thats something else.
though trust me Im not as niche as you think (threre are people who are even more niche than me on these things )
Darkman2007
just b/c there are people even more 'specialized/detail focused' doesn't mean you do not represent an extremely small niche in the general population and gaming industry in particular
...in other words, those two things are not mutually exclusive.
You can (almost) always go further down the rabbit hole.
But it is all about what makes you happy in life. If this makes you happy, then more power to you.
maybe Im more knowledgable, but thats something else.
Darkman2007
...well at least you don't lack for confidence I suppose
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
maybe Im more knowledgable, but thats something else.
rawsavon
...well at least you don't lack for confidence I suppose
as long as it doesn't appear as arrogance, because that is never my intention .
if someone can tell me why Im wrong, and the reasons are actually valid, then I will accept it.
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]as long as it doesn't appear as arrogance, because that is never my intention .rawsavonare you asking me or telling me? ...or neither of the above a bit of both I suppose, Im saying thats not my intention , though Im sure some people might think of it as such.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]as long as it doesn't appear as arrogance, because that is never my intention .Darkman2007are you asking me or telling me? ...or neither of the above a bit of both I suppose, Im saying thats not my intention , though Im sure some people might think of it as such. GS makes these things difficult b/c we are not allowed to say anything that could be construed as even remotely negative about a person...even if they ask (as someone else could report it) But I am sure you can read into the above and get the answer I was trying to give I will say though, that there is arrogance that is justified (someone is right and knows they are right and can prove it) and arrogance that is not justified. You most assuredly do not fall into the later category. I am just not allowed to comment if I think you fall into the former category. I will also add that (justified) arrogance does not bother me. I used to be that way in many areas (as a younger man) and still am in several areas
[QUOTE="bultje112"]Some games people seem to love I did not...like Albert Odyssey. I love RPG's, but I found it to be just about as generic as you can get. Also, I did not import anything. So all I had access to was what was released here in the US (I played these systems when they came out...before the internet made gaming easier as far as purchasing/acquiring)the saturn truly shines in it's exlusive titles. dragon force is only the tip of the iceberg in this regards. what other games did you try?
rawsavon
albert odessey is nowhere near being considered one of the top saturn rpgs, how about shining force 3, shining the holy ark, panzer dragoon saga? man saturn has tons of amazing rpg;'s you don't need to import imo, also all other sf3 scenarios can be downloaded now in english.
I will never read a translation to an rpg while playing one...ever. No game is worth it for me. I can always find something just as good to play. But I would have been shocked if you answered anything different >_>rawsavon
like I said, the other scenarios have been translated. you can play the game in english on your saturn. I just finished scenario 2 and will soon start on scenario 3, the climax with julian
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