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#1 alcatraz44
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like most people, i jumped on the elder scrolls fanbase with morrowind. i have thoroughly enjoyed both that and oblivion, and their respective expansions. but with the newest installment i cant help but feel as if my favorite type of character, the stealthy ones, was forgotten. i love the new dual wield system, and i think thats a great aspect to boast about as the game is being advertised. it brings great improvements to the combat and magic characters, and maybe im overlooking something, but where are the stealth improvements
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#2 JonathanL
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I loved Oblivion as a stealthy assassin, despite the way the endgame completely disregarded the playstyle. I hope this kind of character isn't forgotten in Skyrim as well.

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#3 190586385885857957282413308806
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I don't understand how anyone could like a stealthy character in Oblivion. An assassin caracter turned into a warrior that would just sneak attack people on the first hit. After that you had to go toe to toe with the enemy so you maxed out your armor and weapon skills just like a fighter character would. You also didn't get any bonuses for sneaking through a quest so there was no point to do so. Bethesda's Fallout 3 treated stealthy characters so much better because you could actually sneak by people and make up exp by lock picking/hacking and there were also one hit headshot kills a lot of the time. Skyrim is supposed to go the one hit route with stealth kills.
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I always thought the Elder Scrolls was terrible with stealth. It was horrid in Morrowind. Raising sneak was a huge pain. Oblivion improved it but it eventually became useless. Plus, if you wanted to play a ranged/stealth type assassin, you got no sort of bonuses to archery. It was fire an arrow, that was it. No trick shot where you fire two arrows at once or something? C'mon Bethesda.

I really hope we get more information on this as well. Although dual daggers could fit my play style nicely.

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Oh the one thing I am worried about is AI. I saw a clip in which some animals ran by the player which is good. All the previous games had creatures that would attack on sight no matter what they were and it's good to see some different AI. However I saw a clip with a stealth kill in which two people were standing near each other, the one guy was one-hit killed with an arrow while the other just stood there waiting for his turn. I can see Skyrim flopping in the AI dept again.
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#6 lakergamer666
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I just saw a video from E3 and liked how the 3rd person view and animations are much better. I prefer 3rd person than first person so this is important for me. Also the interface is apparently undergoing a change so its more intuitive than Oblivion.
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Oh the one thing I am worried about is AI. I saw a clip in which some animals ran by the player which is good. All the previous games had creatures that would attack on sight no matter what they were and it's good to see some different AI. However I saw a clip with a stealth kill in which two people were standing near each other, the one guy was one-hit killed with an arrow while the other just stood there waiting for his turn. I can see Skyrim flopping in the AI dept again.smerlus

Yeah this bothered me too, wouldn't be surprised if the AI turns out crap again.

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#8 theloneronin827
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I dislike that they've done away with the hand to hand skill. I hope unarmed combat is still present in Skyrim, I'd love to somehow beat a dragon to death with my bare hands.

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#9 ZEYAAM898
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Skyrim hasnt improved much fromme. Less skills=less freedom=low reality=low quality=bad impression. so instead of amping up games these days the devs are trying to keep them in the limits of the consoles which is not the sole purpose of gaming. They should make a more realistic game on PC because its almost four times powerfulthan any console(a high-end one){not mine} so its not improvement.

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I dislike that they've done away with the hand to hand skill. I hope unarmed combat is still present in Skyrim, I'd love to somehow beat a dragon to death with my bare hands.

theloneronin827

All combat skills are gone; there is no more blade, blunt, short sword, longsword, etc. It's all condensed into one handed and two handed.

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Oh the one thing I am worried about is AI. I saw a clip in which some animals ran by the player which is good. All the previous games had creatures that would attack on sight no matter what they were and it's good to see some different AI. However I saw a clip with a stealth kill in which two people were standing near eachother, the one guy was one-hit killed with an arrow while the other just stood there waiting for his turn. I can see Skyrim flopping in the AI dept again.smerlus

I'm pretty sure that guy turned around and was looking for the player and just couldn't find him.

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i hated oblivion. it felt like a mmorpg to me. i'm going to give skyrim a chance though
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#13 CleverSlogan
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Skyrim is going to be the same rough game in the sense of the way that you play it but the new scenery, mechanical and combat features seem awesome with the duel wield sistem and the fact that the dragons are unscripted there's loads of stuff that bethesda have added that i think will make an awesome game.
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#15 theloneronin827
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[QUOTE="theloneronin827"]

I dislike that they've done away with the hand to hand skill. I hope unarmed combat is still present in Skyrim, I'd love to somehow beat a dragon to death with my bare hands.

Former_Slacker

All combat skills are gone; there is no more blade, blunt, short sword, longsword, etc. It's all condensed into one handed and two handed.

My inner gamer cringes, but I have faith in Bethesda.

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[QUOTE="theloneronin827"]

I dislike that they've done away with the hand to hand skill. I hope unarmed combat is still present in Skyrim, I'd love to somehow beat a dragon to death with my bare hands.

Former_Slacker

All combat skills are gone; there is no more blade, blunt, short sword, longsword, etc. It's all condensed into one handed and two handed.

:|

I don't even know where to begin.

All these advances in technology and games become dumbed down shadows of their former selves.

Soon, 4 year olds will be able to embark on the epic journeys through the lands of the Elder Scrolls... yay.

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[QUOTE="theloneronin827"]

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

[QUOTE="theloneronin827"]

I dislike that they've done away with the hand to hand skill. I hope unarmed combat is still present in Skyrim, I'd love to somehow beat a dragon to death with my bare hands.

All combat skills are gone; there is no more blade, blunt, short sword, longsword, etc. It's all condensed into one handed and two handed.

My inner gamer cringes, but I have faith in Bethesda.

Actually the condensing of Blade, Blunt into One-handed and Two-handed is a good thing. It allows for more customization. Even though theres only two melee skills theres actuay way more diversity. Because within each of those skills you got Swords, Maces, and Axes. Theres also perks for weapon type too. which also allows more customization. So for example you may be skilled in One-handed, but then you could still choose between if you want to specifically wield a sword, a mace or an axe.
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#18 Former_Slacker
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[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

[QUOTE="theloneronin827"]

I dislike that they've done away with the hand to hand skill. I hope unarmed combat is still present in Skyrim, I'd love to somehow beat a dragon to death with my bare hands.

Rusteater

All combat skills are gone; there is no more blade, blunt, short sword, longsword, etc. It's all condensed into one handed and two handed.

:|

I don't even know where to begin.

All these advances in technology and games become dumbed down shadows of their former selves.

Soon, 4 year olds will be able to embark on the epic journeys through the lands of the Elder Scrolls... yay.

I can see it now. TESVI will have 3 skills, attack, defense and other. After all, why bother with anything else, they all fufill the same purpose, right? So why not just "streamline" the game some more because the stats just take away from from the hack n slash gameplay and linear quests.