Sony on PS4: Pre-Owned Games Block "is a publishers decision".

[QUOTE="ZhugeL1ang"][QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]Something to consider is that if this was left up to the individual publisher, and not you know a full Sony mandate those few publishers would essentially be going to war with Gamestop. Then you could see GS threatening to pull any support for those publishers games. Besides just being an outlet to sell games they have a lot of advertising and such that helps sell the games more. It would be pretty risky to be one of the few publishers who do it. Not saying it's impossible though, but you can bet GS will fight it anyway they could.BuldozerX

[QUOTE="BuldozerX"][QUOTE="ZhugeL1ang"] Pretty much. Publishers can whine about the secondhand market all they want, but it's a mutually beneficial relationship between retailer and publisher. Like it has been said already, I think all this alleged blocking of used games is in point of fact online passes and key codes and such for bonus content and multiplayer. I wouldn't necessarily blow off legitimate concerns over this, but for now I don't believe that its really as bad as all that, not yet.ZhugeL1ang

Considering that most of the rumours regarding the PS4 came true, I'm not doubting this as being false either. Haziqonfire

Makes me worried about the always-online rumors for the next Xbox. 

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Considering that most of the rumours regarding the PS4 came true, I'm not doubting this as being false either. Vari3ty

Makes me worried about the always-online rumors for the next Xbox. 

Any console that blocks my right as a consumer to buy games used I will not support, doesnt matter if the console manufacturer does it, or the publisher/devs do it.

I eagerly await the day when pubs wake up and realize all this BS business they are pulling is actually harming their own customers. Last time I checked, if a company screws over their customers, they soon go out of business.

I dont understand how all this stuff that treats their own customers like criminals- having to prove that you bought the game to play online, among other things- is getting support from the very people that are getting screwed. 

Used games exist because someone bought it new in the first place. The devs got their money. They are just being entilted whiners. If their up front income and DLC income cannot support servers or whatever, that is their problem to deal with, and they should not be turning it into our problem.

This also goes for required online. I will not buy a system that needs always-on connection.

Considering that most of the rumours regarding the PS4 came true, I'm not doubting this as being false either. Chances are Microsoft's going to have the same thing on the new Xbox as well. This also makes me wonder if this is the reason why EA's enthusiasm towards the Wii U disappeared a few months before launch. Seems like it's an agenda that EA was pushing towards everyone, but we'll find out soon enough if this really is the case.Haziqonfire

Yes, but the multiplayer online in each game will eventully die anyway. Just look at EA MMA. They shut down the multiplayer servers after a few years, so now multiplayer is blocked. If they did this to single player the game would be useless now, but I can still enjoy the single player, so the game will last forever, and it will earn its place among retro gaming sometime in the future. This is important to me.

Or am I talking non sense?

BuldozerX

That's the unfortunate reality of multiplayer. Servers for it can't be upkept forever. People are going to stop using them eventually. Although in EA's case, all of those server shut-downs were total dick moves. I know they manage their own Steam-like service and thus have good reason for using their own servers instead, but even so. Not cool.

But there's not much that can be done about it. Console games don't allow for custom servers like PC games do, so...

You basically dont have to be online in order for this to work. Steam games can be played offline, but you have to activate them online. Everyone can do that. If you dont have internet at home, just use a cell phone to log on.BuldozerX

PCs are almost always guaranteed to be connected online, though, especially if you're buying games through a service like Steam. That allows them the freedom to institute such measures. There's still too many people who never take their consoles online. Cutting them out of the equation -- regardless of whether they primarily buy used or not -- would hurt the performance of their consoles. You need as many sales as possible when dealing in hardware (just look at what happened to THQ after their uDraw tablet failed miserably). Stupid acts like forcing anyone to have to go online would only cause problems.

Funneling that through a cell phone doesn't solve anything because that requires them to create apps that allow such authentication to be cleared. The amount of steps one has to go through to make any of this happen is just not worth the trouble when they don't know how hard any of thos could backfire.

[QUOTE="BuldozerX"]

Yes, but the multiplayer online in each game will eventully die anyway. Just look at EA MMA. They shut down the multiplayer servers after a few years, so now multiplayer is blocked. If they did this to single player the game would be useless now, but I can still enjoy the single player, so the game will last forever, and it will earn its place among retro gaming sometime in the future. This is important to me.

Or am I talking non sense?

That's the unfortunate reality of multiplayer. Servers for it can't be upkept forever. People are going to stop using them eventually. Although in EA's case, all of those server shut-downs were total dick moves. I know they manage their own Steam-like service and thus have good reason for using their own servers instead, but even so. Not cool.

But there's not much that can be done about it. Console games don't allow for custom servers like PC games do, so...

You basically dont have to be online in order for this to work. Steam games can be played offline, but you have to activate them online. Everyone can do that. If you dont have internet at home, just use a cell phone to log on.BuldozerX

PCs are almost always guaranteed to be connected online, though, especially if you're buying games through a service like Steam. That allows them the freedom to institute such measures. There's still too many people who never take their consoles online. Cutting them out of the equation -- regardless of whether they primarily buy used or not -- would hurt the performance of their consoles. You need as many sales as possible when dealing in hardware (just look at what happened to THQ after their uDraw tablet failed miserably). Stupid acts like forcing anyone to have to go online would only cause problems.

Funneling that through a cell phone doesn't solve anything because that requires them to create apps that allow such authentication to be cleared. The amount of steps one has to go through to make any of this happen is just not worth the trouble when they don't know how hard any of thos could backfire.

Thats ok, because I dont expect the multiplayer to last more than a few years anyway.BuldozerX

Thats ok, because I dont expect the multiplayer to last more than a few years anyway, unless we`re talking about games like WoW, but thats not the case. But if the required a online activation code for single player games, they would also have to keep their servers online in order to verify the code, and that would suck. I can still pick up games from the 90s, but that would be impossible if they pulled this crap back then. So whats your conclusion? You dont see this happening anytime?BuldozerX

No. Maybe when the entire world has reliable Internet (if that ever happens), sure. You're severely limiting the market, otherwise. And even then, I'd have to think they'd have some unlock system installed in the event everything goes to hell in such a scenario. (Valve's apparently already gone on record to say they have something like that ready should they ever close shop.) Wouldn't be good for the archival of this medium not to.

[QUOTE="BuldozerX"]Thats ok, because I dont expect the multiplayer to last more than a few years anyway.GodModeEnabled

[QUOTE="BuldozerX"]Thats ok, because I dont expect the multiplayer to last more than a few years anyway, unless we`re talking about games like WoW, but thats not the case. But if the required a online activation code for single player games, they would also have to keep their servers online in order to verify the code, and that would suck. I can still pick up games from the 90s, but that would be impossible if they pulled this crap back then. So whats your conclusion? You dont see this happening anytime?c_rake

No. Maybe when the entire world has reliable Internet (if that ever happens), sure. You're severely limiting the market, otherwise. And even then, I'd have to think they'd have some unlock system installed in the event everything goes to hell in such a scenario. (Valve's apparently already gone on record to say they have something like that ready should they ever close shop.) Wouldn't be good for the archival of this medium not to.

[QUOTE="BuldozerX"]Thats ok, because I dont expect the multiplayer to last more than a few years anyway, unless we`re talking about games like WoW, but thats not the case. But if the required a online activation code for single player games, they would also have to keep their servers online in order to verify the code, and that would suck. I can still pick up games from the 90s, but that would be impossible if they pulled this crap back then. So whats your conclusion? You dont see this happening anytime?c_rake

No. Maybe when the entire world has reliable Internet (if that ever happens), sure. You're severely limiting the market, otherwise. And even then, I'd have to think they'd have some unlock system installed in the event everything goes to hell in such a scenario. (Valve's apparently already gone on record to say they have something like that ready should they ever close shop.) Wouldn't be good for the archival of this medium not to.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Considering that most of the rumours regarding the PS4 came true, I'm not doubting this as being false either. Vari3ty

Makes me worried about the always-online rumors for the next Xbox. 

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Considering that most of the rumours regarding the PS4 came true, I'm not doubting this as being false either. MrGeezer

Makes me worried about the always-online rumors for the next Xbox. 

I'm not so sure. The rumors from EDGE about the PS4 were spot-on, and those same rumors say the next Xbox will need a constant internet connection. I'm hopeful this is not the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. 

I'm not so sure. The rumors from EDGE about the PS4 were spot-on, and those same rumors say the next Xbox will need a constant internet connection. I'm hopeful this is not the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. 

Vari3ty

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

I'm not so sure. The rumors from EDGE about the PS4 were spot-on, and those same rumors say the next Xbox will need a constant internet connection. I'm hopeful this is not the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. 

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="BuldozerX"]That doesnt make any sense. Some developers have been crying in the media about this like a block thing would be some gift from heaven. Why dont block it themself?c_rake

Probably because they don't want to be the ones to pull the trigger on that either. They talk big, but eveyone's too afraid of the potential backlash.

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Considering that most of the rumours regarding the PS4 came true, I'm not doubting this as being false either. MrGeezer

Makes me worried about the always-online rumors for the next Xbox. 

I love all these statements of absolute certainty of what "will" or "won't" happen.  You don't know anything until it's announced.

I love all these statements of absolute certainty of what "will" or "won't" happen.  You don't know anything until it's announced.

MirkoS77