Star Fox series vs Panzer Dragoon series

Which of these two long-running rail shooter series do you like better? I personally like Star Fox better but I have to say I haven't played Saga and Orta and when it comes to art-st1le I find PD better. Now Saga is an RPG or so I heard but Star Fox Adventures is an action-adventure in the vein of Zelda series so they kinda compensate. I will say that SF Assault was a mere shadow of the SF series, though. The unreleased SF 2 may hypothetically also count since it's fully playlable.

Which of these two long-running rail shooter series do you like better? I personally like Star Fox better but I have to say I haven't played Saga and Orta and when it comes to art-st1le I find PD better. Now Saga is an RPG or so I heard but Star Fox Adventures is an action-adventure in the vein of Zelda series so they kinda compensate. I will say that SF Assault was a mere shadow of the SF series, though. The unreleased SF 2 may hypothetically also count since it's fully playlable.

nameless12345

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Which of these two long-running rail shooter series do you like better? I personally like Star Fox better but I have to say I haven't played Saga and Orta and when it comes to art-st1le I find PD better. Now Saga is an RPG or so I heard but Star Fox Adventures is an action-adventure in the vein of Zelda series so they kinda compensate. I will say that SF Assault was a mere shadow of the SF series, though. The unreleased SF 2 may hypothetically also count since it's fully playlable.

theJakandsig

Well what is it then? It certainly feels on-rails (i.e. you can't leave the playfield area unless the game allows you to).

apples and oranges, though I will say I prefer the original starfox to the original Panzer Dragoon (graphics aside)

Panzer Dragoon Zwei on the other hand , is brilliant, really good game.

Panzer Saga is imo one of the best RPGs that gen. and sadly Ive yet to play PDOrta

[QUOTE="theJakandsig"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Which of these two long-running rail shooter series do you like better? I personally like Star Fox better but I have to say I haven't played Saga and Orta and when it comes to art-st1le I find PD better. Now Saga is an RPG or so I heard but Star Fox Adventures is an action-adventure in the vein of Zelda series so they kinda compensate. I will say that SF Assault was a mere shadow of the SF series, though. The unreleased SF 2 may hypothetically also count since it's fully playlable.

Well what is it then? It certainly feels on-rails (i.e. you can't leave the playfield area unless the game allows you to).

apples and oranges, though I will say I prefer the original starfox to the original Panzer Dragoon (graphics aside)

Panzer Dragoon Zwei on the other hand , is brilliant, really good game.

Panzer Saga is imo one of the best RPGs that gen. and sadly Ive yet to play PDOrta

Darkman2007

I liked Orta as much as I liked Zwei (though I think the general agreement is that Zwei is better). Orta is plenty worthy, though. i don't recall if you had mentioned that you own an Xbox and/or a 360 (I do recall your space was limited due to being in college). Orta works fine (no perfect, but certainly playable) on the 360 though.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

apples and oranges, though I will say I prefer the original starfox to the original Panzer Dragoon (graphics aside)

Panzer Dragoon Zwei on the other hand , is brilliant, really good game.

Panzer Saga is imo one of the best RPGs that gen. and sadly Ive yet to play PDOrta

armouredpriest

I liked Orta as much as I liked Zwei (though I think the general agreement is that Zwei is better). Orta is plenty worthy, though. i don't recall if you had mentioned that you own an Xbox and/or a 360 (I do recall your space was limited due to being in college). Orta works fine (no perfect, but certainly playable) on the 360 though.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

apples and oranges, though I will say I prefer the original starfox to the original Panzer Dragoon (graphics aside)

Panzer Dragoon Zwei on the other hand , is brilliant, really good game.

Panzer Saga is imo one of the best RPGs that gen. and sadly Ive yet to play PDOrta

I liked Orta as much as I liked Zwei (though I think the general agreement is that Zwei is better). Orta is plenty worthy, though. i don't recall if you had mentioned that you own an Xbox and/or a 360 (I do recall your space was limited due to being in college). Orta works fine (no perfect, but certainly playable) on the 360 though.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="armouredpriest"]

I liked Orta as much as I liked Zwei (though I think the general agreement is that Zwei is better). Orta is plenty worthy, though. i don't recall if you had mentioned that you own an Xbox and/or a 360 (I do recall your space was limited due to being in college). Orta works fine (no perfect, but certainly playable) on the 360 though.

theJakandsig

JRPG, though an RPG can refer to an WRPG or JRPG, SRPG or otherwise. of course we could get into specifics , but thats beyond the scope of this thread.

[QUOTE="theJakandsig"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] sadly I do not own an Xbox, so I have no way (at least no legal way) to play Orta, I don't own a 360 either (have PS3, thats enough this gen , might get the other ones once this gen is nearly over). Panzer Saga is still my Panzer game of choice though , the game is brilliant , with the only big flaw being that you can finish it in 20 hours or less, which is too short for an RPG, although the story is paced just right, any longer and it would have started to drag on.Darkman2007

JRPG, though an RPG can refer to an WRPG or JRPG, SRPG or otherwise. of course we could get into specifics , but thats beyond the scope of this thread.

Panzer Dragoon, no question.

[QUOTE="armouredpriest"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

apples and oranges, though I will say I prefer the original starfox to the original Panzer Dragoon (graphics aside)

Panzer Dragoon Zwei on the other hand , is brilliant, really good game.

Panzer Saga is imo one of the best RPGs that gen. and sadly Ive yet to play PDOrta

Darkman2007

I liked Orta as much as I liked Zwei (though I think the general agreement is that Zwei is better). Orta is plenty worthy, though. i don't recall if you had mentioned that you own an Xbox and/or a 360 (I do recall your space was limited due to being in college). Orta works fine (no perfect, but certainly playable) on the 360 though.

Fair enough. My 360 just red ringed so I got to fix it. Yeah, Saga's my favorite as well. I'm Ok with it being a bit on the short sidefor an JRPG from that era, I agree its paced pretty well.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="armouredpriest"]

I liked Orta as much as I liked Zwei (though I think the general agreement is that Zwei is better). Orta is plenty worthy, though. i don't recall if you had mentioned that you own an Xbox and/or a 360 (I do recall your space was limited due to being in college). Orta works fine (no perfect, but certainly playable) on the 360 though.

armouredpriest

Fair enough. My 360 just red ringed so I got to fix it. Yeah, Saga's my favorite as well. I'm Ok with it being a bit on the short sidefor an JRPG from that era, I agree its paced pretty well.

My vote goes to Star Fox, especially Star Fox 64. I love Panzer Dragoon, but for whatever reason it doesn't have the same pull on me that Star Fox does. I've been hooked on Star Fox ever since I first picked it up back in 1997.

This is hard. The Panzer Dragoon games are absolutely gorgeous games and almost therapeutic to play through, expecially Panzer Dragoon: Orta on XBox. But as the Star Fox games aged and came onto the Gamecube, DS, and Wii; they evolved and became more than just on-rails shooters, making their gameplay better. And Starfox: Assault gives Panzer Dragoon: Orta a run for it's money in the graphics deparrtment.

Soooooo hard! But I choose Panzer Dragoon. The cutesy animal characters are like the only minus for Star Fox, in my book, but a big one.

I vote Star Fox. Star Fox 64 is one of my favorite games and has the most replay value of any game I've played.

I vote Star Fox. Star Fox 64 is one of my favorite games and has the most replay value of any game I've played.

Branmuffin316

[QUOTE="Branmuffin316"]

I vote Star Fox. Star Fox 64 is one of my favorite games and has the most replay value of any game I've played.

BranKetra

apples and oranges, though I will say I prefer the original starfox to the original Panzer Dragoon (graphics aside)

Panzer Dragoon Zwei on the other hand , is brilliant, really good game.

Panzer Saga is imo one of the best RPGs that gen. and sadly Ive yet to play PDOrta

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Branmuffin316"]

I vote Star Fox. Star Fox 64 is one of my favorite games and has the most replay value of any game I've played.

Darkman2007

Orta has multiple paths for several missions, too. The soundtrack was alright. The main thing I liked about Orta was the gameplay. In my opinion, even though it's not very replayable compared to Mario or Sonic, that doesn't really matter. it was fun while it lasted and more than that, it gave a lasting impression. The 3 dragoon forms were interesting and I enjoyed leveling up each to see the limits of what Orta and the Dragoon could do.

I was also interested in learning all I could about that world's history. Beating the game unlocks a database that fills as the player does better in missions. For example, taking out all the enemies in a certain area. I think. Anyway, I'm pretty sure there are other extras, too. I didn't unlock them all. I played Zwei for a little while, so I can't form a solid opinion on it. First impression: Dated. I got it around last gen, so it wasn't exactly cutting edge graphics to me.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] Yeah it is pretty replayable.BranKetra

Orta has multiple paths for several missions, too. The soundtrack was alright. The main thing I liked about Orta was the gameplay. In my opinion, even though it's not very replayable compared to Mario or Sonic, that doesn't really matter. it was fun while it lasted and more than that, it gave a lasting impression. The 3 dragoon forms were interesting and I enjoyed leveling up each to see the limits of what Orta and the Dragoon could do.

I was also interested in learning all I could about that world's history. Beating the game unlocks a database that fills as the player does better in missions. For example, taking out all the enemies in a certain area. I think. Anyway, I'm pretty sure there are other extras, too. I didn't unlock them all. I played Zwei for a little while, so I can't form a solid opinion on it. First impression: Dated. I got it around last gen, so it wasn't exactly cutting edge graphics to me.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] replayability is one thing the original Panzer Dragoon lacked imo , besides the technical issues that were almost inherent in most early 3D Saturn games. Panzer Zwei has some more meat on it in that regard, with alternate paths and the fact your dragon can evolve in any number of ways based on how you played the game. soundtrack is one thing the original PD does hold up next to the sequel , both have great soundtracks, the main differences is that PD used recorded music , while PDZ used the Saturn's soundchip .Darkman2007

Orta has multiple paths for several missions, too. The soundtrack was alright. The main thing I liked about Orta was the gameplay. In my opinion, even though it's not very replayable compared to Mario or Sonic, that doesn't really matter. it was fun while it lasted and more than that, it gave a lasting impression. The 3 dragoon forms were interesting and I enjoyed leveling up each to see the limits of what Orta and the Dragoon could do.

I was also interested in learning all I could about that world's history. Beating the game unlocks a database that fills as the player does better in missions. For example, taking out all the enemies in a certain area. I think. Anyway, I'm pretty sure there are other extras, too. I didn't unlock them all. I played Zwei for a little while, so I can't form a solid opinion on it. First impression: Dated. I got it around last gen, so it wasn't exactly cutting edge graphics to me.

the Star Fox games aged and came onto the Gamecube, DS, and Wii; they evolved and became more than just on-rails shooters, making their gameplay better. Emerald_Warrior

I feel the opposite; I rather enjoyed the original StarFox back in the day, but I liked the series less and less with each subsequent sequel. To me, its a series that just keeps getting worse.

I guess the N64 StarFox is arguably better than the original to most people, but given it must be played with the atrociously bad N64 paddle, I personally dislike it. In any event, I didn't think either of the NGC StarFox titles were all that great.

panzer dragoon is a game that should be measured mostly by it's story, star fox I played for gameplay. while panzer dragoon has great gameplay the story is where it truly shines and it should be measured by saga and zwei, orta is great but butchered the story. saga is the true ending and the best rpg I ever played

[QUOTE="armouredpriest"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

apples and oranges, though I will say I prefer the original starfox to the original Panzer Dragoon (graphics aside)

Panzer Dragoon Zwei on the other hand , is brilliant, really good game.

Panzer Saga is imo one of the best RPGs that gen. and sadly Ive yet to play PDOrta

Darkman2007

I liked Orta as much as I liked Zwei (though I think the general agreement is that Zwei is better). Orta is plenty worthy, though. i don't recall if you had mentioned that you own an Xbox and/or a 360 (I do recall your space was limited due to being in college). Orta works fine (no perfect, but certainly playable) on the 360 though.

finishng it in 20 hours is not a flaw. or did you want them to have added meaningless sidequests as in final fantasy 7 which became a drag. saga is a rollercoaster story that should be played that way. even the gameplay is fast and action packed as were the shooters

panzer dragoon is a game that should be measured mostly by it's story, star fox I played for gameplay. while panzer dragoon has great gameplay the story is where it truly shines and it should be measured by saga and zwei, orta is great but butchered the story. saga is the true ending and the best rpg I ever played

bultje112

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

panzer dragoon is a game that should be measured mostly by it's story, star fox I played for gameplay. while panzer dragoon has great gameplay the story is where it truly shines and it should be measured by saga and zwei, orta is great but butchered the story. saga is the true ending and the best rpg I ever played

BranKetra

what games did you play? to truly understand saga you need to play zwei and panzer dragoon before it. the sory is very deep and complex and when you are not really into it you will miss it. if you liked nausicaa of the valley of the wind you will love panzer dragoon

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="armouredpriest"]

I liked Orta as much as I liked Zwei (though I think the general agreement is that Zwei is better). Orta is plenty worthy, though. i don't recall if you had mentioned that you own an Xbox and/or a 360 (I do recall your space was limited due to being in college). Orta works fine (no perfect, but certainly playable) on the 360 though.

bultje112

finishng it in 20 hours is not a flaw. or did you want them to have added meaningless sidequests as in final fantasy 7 which became a drag. saga is a rollercoaster story that should be played that way. even the gameplay is fast and action packed as were the shooters

Out of the few games I played in each series, I'd go with Panzer Dragoon, just because of the impression it left on me when I was a kid. That was one game that made me really appreciate my Saturn purchase, and I can still hear that music today! lol

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

panzer dragoon is a game that should be measured mostly by it's story, star fox I played for gameplay. while panzer dragoon has great gameplay the story is where it truly shines and it should be measured by saga and zwei, orta is great but butchered the story. saga is the true ending and the best rpg I ever played

bultje112

what games did you play? to truly understand saga you need to play zwei and panzer dragoon before it. the sory is very deep and complex and when you are not really into it you will miss it. if you liked nausicaa of the valley of the wind you will love panzer dragoon

Star Fox. The first two Panzer games on the Saturn haven't aged well. Even at the time I never thought Panzer looked that great.

Out of the few games I played in each series, I'd go with Panzer Dragoon, just because of the impression it left on me when I was a kid. That was one game that made me really appreciate my Saturn purchase, and I can still hear that music today! lol

godzillavskong

maybe you're on to something there; Panzer Dragoon had a bigger impact on its system because it was one of the showpiece games, whereas overall, the SNES had such an impressive game library that StarFox didn't really hit me as a "must have game".....

not saying thats necessarily the case, but it might be for some people

star fox was definetely the looker for the snes when it came out and almost all of it's impact came from the graphics. more so then the panzer dragoon games who's graphics weren't exceptional except maybe for the time panzer dragoon. saga was impressive but didn't age well, because it was fully 3d and fully spoken, unlike ff7 for instance

star fox was definetely the looker for the snes when it came out and almost all of it's impact came from the graphics. more so then the panzer dragoon games who's graphics weren't exceptional except maybe for the time panzer dragoon. saga was impressive but didn't age well, because it was fully 3d and fully spoken, unlike ff7 for instance

bultje112

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

star fox was definetely the looker for the snes when it came out and almost all of it's impact came from the graphics. more so then the panzer dragoon games who's graphics weren't exceptional except maybe for the time panzer dragoon. saga was impressive but didn't age well, because it was fully 3d and fully spoken, unlike ff7 for instance

theJakandsig

where did I say it was?

[QUOTE="theJakandsig"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

star fox was definetely the looker for the snes when it came out and almost all of it's impact came from the graphics. more so then the panzer dragoon games who's graphics weren't exceptional except maybe for the time panzer dragoon. saga was impressive but didn't age well, because it was fully 3d and fully spoken, unlike ff7 for instance

where did I say it was?

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="theJakandsig"] That's not a reason for it aging bad.theJakandsig

where did I say it was?

I'm sorry. I write a bit messy. the part of the , was about why it was impressive in it's day.

, because... was about why it was impressive in it's day. I know it stands stupid but I'm bit of hectic in my head and jump from one to another sometimes. but of course having it fully spoken didn't age bad. if that was what it meant it made no sense anyway. I was just talking about why saga was impressive in it's day

Interstingly the Panzer Dragoon series lead at the moment which is surprising to me considering Star Fox is much more well-known and popular franchise.

Interstingly the Panzer Dragoon series lead at the moment which is surprising to me considering Star Fox is much more well-known and popular franchise.

nameless12345

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"]

Out of the few games I played in each series, I'd go with Panzer Dragoon, just because of the impression it left on me when I was a kid. That was one game that made me really appreciate my Saturn purchase, and I can still hear that music today! lol

TheKungFool

maybe you're on to something there; Panzer Dragoon had a bigger impact on its system because it was one of the showpiece games, whereas overall, the SNES had such an impressive game library that StarFox didn't really hit me as a "must have game".....

not saying thats necessarily the case, but it might be for some people

[QUOTE="TheKungFool"]

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"]

Out of the few games I played in each series, I'd go with Panzer Dragoon, just because of the impression it left on me when I was a kid. That was one game that made me really appreciate my Saturn purchase, and I can still hear that music today! lol

godzillavskong

maybe you're on to something there; Panzer Dragoon had a bigger impact on its system because it was one of the showpiece games, whereas overall, the SNES had such an impressive game library that StarFox didn't really hit me as a "must have game".....

not saying thats necessarily the case, but it might be for some people

Which Gamecube entry could be a big reason why. Star Fox: Adventure isn't truly a Star Fox game. It is made by Rare, but it was originally supposed to be an entirely different game. Last minute, Nintendo decided to slap the Star Fox license on it and that's Star Fox: Adventure. Star Fox: Assault is the true Star Fox respresentation on Gamecube.