The COD series and it's crappyness...

I think that CoD needs a new graphics engine. Either that or go back to WW2. Cause i'm not gonna pay $60 bucks for a game that is the same and they put no work or effort into changing it. Plus, they need to make a game that can match CoD2. That game was balanced. No weapon add ons, 1 running speed, weapons were balanced. If all the modern warfare games and bop games were like that, I think those games could've been great. Does anyone else agree?

COD was great in it's day,and had a fantastic expansion pack called "United Offensive",and yeah CoD needs a massive overhaul.

no, youre just too attached to your nostalgia.

If i wanted a simple fps with no attachments or customizations, id just google up a random free to play online fps.

COD4 was good, but not great. BO2 is actually very balanced and good surprisingly, but it has gotten to the point where it's gotten boring and stale as ever.

BO2 should have been released 4 or 5 years ago. 

Dear Lord... The latest game has been out for how long now and people are still making whiney topics like this?!

Here's a tip: Get over it and Move on.

If a game entertains you, the graphic-engine it has is secondary to how fun it is to play. Also CoD has basically been the same game since Modern Warfare, or even 2.Stinger78

@ Hakumen21 All FTP FPS's suck. They are just downright horrible. I would rather be r*ped in prison. And comon now, I think the companies of the cod series have enough money racked up for a new graphics engine. Then I may consider these games to be decent, although it's not just the graphics. After cod2, they just went downhill. I mean ya, the modern warfare thing is alright, they just did a horrible job at executing it. It's just too arcade ish. It's not realistic at all (compared to cod2). fnevaeva

Boo hoo.

You've sucessfully regurgitated what millions of other gamers have said already. There's no shortage of military fps nowadays, how about letting COD go and finding another one that tickles your fancy.

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare was an exceptional shooter, and still is today. The sequel was good and entertaining, but the third entry shows just how recycled everything is, with exactly the same graphics, presentation and gameplay with little in terms of variety when you take out the over-the-top action setpieces. The single players have been decent though too short, but the multiplayer is completely ruined because of how easy and simply the game is for kids, aswell as hackers to infiltrate every aspect of it and ruin everyones potential enjoyment.

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare was an exceptional shooter, and still is today. The sequel was good and entertaining, but the third entry shows just how recycled everything is, with exactly the same graphics, presentation and gameplay with little in terms of variety when you take out the over-the-top action setpieces. The single players have been decent though too short, but the multiplayer is completely ruined because of how easy and simply the game is for kids, aswell as hackers to infiltrate every aspect of it and ruin everyones potential enjoyment.

Venom_Raptor

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Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare was an exceptional shooter, and still is today. The sequel was good and entertaining, but the third entry shows just how recycled everything is, with exactly the same graphics, presentation and gameplay with little in terms of variety when you take out the over-the-top action setpieces. The single players have been decent though too short, but the multiplayer is completely ruined because of how easy and simply the game is for kids, aswell as hackers to infiltrate every aspect of it and ruin everyones potential enjoyment.

fnevaeva

I didn't even think MW2 was that good. COD4 probably had the best singleplayer for a FPS IMO and they dropped off the face of the planet after that. And now a MW4......ugh. Treyarch's been kicking their fanny every since COD4.

[QUOTE="Stinger78"]If a game entertains you, the graphic-engine it has is secondary to how fun it is to play. Also CoD has basically been the same game since Modern Warfare, or even 2.fnevaeva

COD2 is still the best in the series. Personally I wont buy any COD game unless it goes back to ww2 or goes to Vietnam. (Black ops doesn't count).. I'm talking an open world style game, proper physics, decent engine, being able to explore. Story that goes along with the war, battles that really happened and being able to lead troops into battle, story that makes you care about characters etc. Imagine an open world ww2 setting in Bastogne and being able to go on patrols with a squad, or lead a sneak attack behind enemy lines, or go on a mission to take a prisoner, or setup an ambush etc.. only it's open world and YOU get to choose what you do, how many troops to take with you etc. Doesn't have to be ww2, could be during Vietnam, clear tunnels, patrol and ambush, clear an enemy encampment, protect a fort or village against attack. something with modern graphics and a good engine to pull it off.Rattlesnake_8

yeah they should atleast improve the graphics. i stopped at MW3 and never got world at war or black ops 2. cod series is great, everyone here just hates it cuz it's popular. yeah they are milking it to the max but why wouldn't they. they sell like crazy and at this point it's so easy for them to make, it essentially the same game just different maps.

yeah they should atleast improve the graphics. i stopped at MW3 and never got world at war or black ops 2. cod series is great, everyone here just hates it cuz it's popular. yeah they are milking it to the max but why wouldn't they. they sell like crazy and at this point it's so easy for them to make, it essentially the same game just different maps.

idunnodude

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yeah they should atleast improve the graphics. i stopped at MW3 and never got world at war or black ops 2. cod series is great, everyone here just hates it cuz it's popular. yeah they are milking it to the max but why wouldn't they. they sell like crazy and at this point it's so easy for them to make, it essentially the same game just different maps.

Heirren

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yeah they should atleast improve the graphics. i stopped at MW3 and never got world at war or black ops 2. cod series is great, everyone here just hates it cuz it's popular. yeah they are milking it to the max but why wouldn't they. they sell like crazy and at this point it's so easy for them to make, it essentially the same game just different maps.

idunnodude

The main problem with the CoD series are a bunch of the stupid nagging issues that they refuse to fix year after year, and I can rattle off a bunch right off the top of my head

1. Terrible spawning

2. Quick scoping

3. The fact that you don't even have to put your crosshairs on the person you are shooting at to kill them. (Most easily seen with stupid snipers)

4. What you see and what the other guy sees is almost never the same. (IE - I put 15 bullets in another player from near point blank range getting hit markers the whole time, he kills me in 1 hit, on his screen I didn't damage him at all and he hits me 5 times)

5. The listed stats for the guns seem almost useless since most of the time the weapons seem to behave differently then what is listed

6. I play with a group of 4 people, and each one of us swears that a particular gun behaves differently for each one of us.

The list goes on and on which is a shame because they had some really good ideas with Black Ops 2, the campaign is better than it has been the last few years and the Pick 10 system is great, but again the whole experience gets bogged down by the same crap that happens year after year, and they add on to it by making stupid decisions like having the cap points in Hardpoint all follow the same pattern every game instead of being random, as well as there being designated spawn points.

My group and I were playing earlier today and I was killed before I could even take a single step after spawning, and on the kill cam I watched a sniper take 3 steps back from where he was standing turn to his left, and fire a shot, and then I spawned right in the path of his bullet and got killed instantly. That is UNACCEPTABLE.

@idunnodude

Did I not list valid reasons? Gameplay has become to arcadish, non-realistic. In COD2 there are no weapon attachments, perks, kill streaks/deathstreaks. There is only 1 running speed, and the guns are very balanced. Are those not valid reasons?

the quickscoping is stupid yeah. the spawning is crappy at times as well, but it's not so bad that it really becomes a problem. the majority of the time you will get a good spawn. the rest of the stuff can either be avoided or it was cuz of lag. of course you have to put your crosshairs on someone to kill them i don't know what you're talking about there.

and to the other dude all you said was that it was one dimensional and it played itself. this is all subjective you didn't elaborate why you think it's like that.

 fnevaeva

Did I not list valid reasons? Gameplay has become to arcadish, non-realistic. In COD2 there are no weapon attachments, perks, kill streaks/deathstreaks. There is only 1 running speed, and the guns are very balanced. Are those not valid reasons?

You're avoiding the point of this post. I gave you reasons why it is bad, and how it has become that way. Explain to me how they have become more realistic (other than the vague statement of "oh, they went modern").fnevaeva

the quickscoping is stupid yeah. the spawning is crappy at times as well, but it's not so bad that it really becomes a problem. the majority of the time you will get a good spawn. the rest of the stuff can either be avoided or it was cuz of lag. of course you have to put your crosshairs on someone to kill them i don't know what you're talking about there.

and to the other dude all you said was that it was one dimensional and it played itself. this is all subjective you didn't elaborate why you think it's like that.

idunnodude

Umm no dude, you can totally kill people without actually hitting them. I'm not saying it's *common* because it isn't which probably means it has something to do with connections but it does happen.

My group and I were playing last night on Hijacked and I got killed even though the other guy was aiming about 10 feet too far to the right.

What are you talking about? you said give valid reasons, and i've given you plenty. How is that avoiding what you said?fnevaeva

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the quickscoping is stupid yeah. the spawning is crappy at times as well, but it's not so bad that it really becomes a problem. the majority of the time you will get a good spawn. the rest of the stuff can either be avoided or it was cuz of lag. of course you have to put your crosshairs on someone to kill them i don't know what you're talking about there.

and to the other dude all you said was that it was one dimensional and it played itself. this is all subjective you didn't elaborate why you think it's like that.

Gamefan1986

Umm no dude, you can totally kill people without actually hitting them. I'm not saying it's *common* because it isn't which probably means it has something to do with connections but it does happen.

My group and I were playing last night on Hijacked and I got killed even though the other guy was aiming about 10 feet too far to the right.

Subjective my ass. Don't give me this bullsh*t. Stop avoiding the truth and make your side of the argument. Or get off here cause obviously you can't find a reason for why i'm wrong.

Oh, and here is a reminder. "Did I not list valid reasons? Gameplay has become to arcadish, non-realistic. In COD2 there are no weapon attachments, perks, kill streaks/deathstreaks. There is only 1 running speed, and the guns are very balanced. Are those not valid reasons?"

Subjective my ass. Don't give me this bullsh*t. Stop avoiding the truth and make your side of the argument. Or get off here cause obviously you can't find a reason for why i'm wrong.

 

Oh, and here is a reminder. "Did I not list valid reasons? Gameplay has become to arcadish, non-realistic. In COD2 there are no weapon attachments, perks, kill streaks/deathstreaks. There is only 1 running speed, and the guns are very balanced. Are those not valid reasons?"

fnevaeva

so what if it has become arcade-ish and non realistic? how is that a bad thing? and how are weapon attachments, perks and kill streaks a bad thing either wtf? it allows for more customization for the player to experiment with. which makes way for more play styles and options for the player to enjoy the game the way they want to.

seriously what the hell did you expect? that they are going to make the same thing over and over again? if realism was their goal you wouldn't have the ability to magically open a computer and control a predator missile after getting 5 kills in a row. it's a game how real do you expect it to be.

and the guns are balanced as well. sure some may be stronger than others, but they also will have their faults. there is always a way to counter each playstyle. you may think its bad cuz it's not COD2, but it is one of the best selling games in the world for a reason.

I believe I was being subjective, as it means, as defined on Merriam-webster.com -> of, relating to, or constituting a subject. I believe the whole point of this debate/discussion is relating to a subject. Lol, D.A. And I believe it's a bad thing because it has ruined the CoD series. And I expect it to be as close to reality as possible. And tell me how the perk system is realistic. Oh, and the knifing. As one person can not knife that fast in real life with full gear going from holding their weapon to instantly knifing someone.

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the quickscoping is stupid yeah. the spawning is crappy at times as well, but it's not so bad that it really becomes a problem. the majority of the time you will get a good spawn. the rest of the stuff can either be avoided or it was cuz of lag. of course you have to put your crosshairs on someone to kill them i don't know what you're talking about there.

and to the other dude all you said was that it was one dimensional and it played itself. this is all subjective you didn't elaborate why you think it's like that.

idunnodude

Umm no dude, you can totally kill people without actually hitting them. I'm not saying it's *common* because it isn't which probably means it has something to do with connections but it does happen.

My group and I were playing last night on Hijacked and I got killed even though the other guy was aiming about 10 feet too far to the right.

Lol it's not my connection im getting 35 mbps with a 20 ms ping, it's everyone else

I believe I was being subjective, as it means, as defined on Merriam-webster.com -> of, relating to, or constituting a subject. I believe the whole point of this debate/discussion is relating to a subject. Lol, D.A. And I believe it's a bad thing because it has ruined the CoD series. And I expect it to be as close to reality as possible. And tell me how the perk system is realistic. Oh, and the knifing. As one person can not knife that fast in real life with full gear going from holding their weapon to instantly knifing someone.

fnevaeva

I like great games, hence why I like CoD.

I agree that they need a new graphics engine, but your comment about how their games are the same and they put no effort into changing it is invalid now that Black Ops 2 came out. It has a new setting, they tried to take a different approach to the campaign, they added more options to zombies, they revamped the class creation system, and of course, they added new weapons and maps, but that's a given. Nevertheless, you can't say they didn't put effort into trying to change it this time.

so you expect them to make the same game over and over again right? now ur bringing up new crap and ignoring everything else i said once again. lol this is pathetic nevermind.idunnodude

And if you look at the verrrry first post, the main topic of this thread is matching CoD2. And tell me how am I avoiding/ignoring everything else you said? I gave you "valid" reasons.

If Millions of people keep buying the same crap, Activision will continue to ship the same crap.

Can't blame them, they are making tons of money.

If Millions of people keep buying the same crap, Activision will continue to ship the same crap.

Can't blame them, they are making tons of money.

Mrmedia01

Quoted for truth.

I read that there are around 11 million active accounts. That's a boatload of cash. It also goes to show that a lot of people aren't aware of "it's crappyness" as you put it and find it to be good fun.

A game that sells 10's of millions of copies each time around is anything but crappy. 

As much as the internet voices it's hatred of it. 

Seems like a scenerio that the more popular something is - ANYTHING - the more hatred it will gather as well. 

Cod4 was the pinnacle of the series imo, it had better maps and more balanced perks than anythings I've seen yet. Modern warfare 3 ruined the series for me. The assassin perk is ridiculouly over powered. Uavs are useless. I wish they would just go back to the original modern warfare perks they were a lot more balanced. The more they try to innovate the more they seem to kill the balance of the game.

I haven't played a good amount of call of duty since the original Modern Warfare. I bet if I put in Black Ops 2, it would feel like the exact same game. Something needs to change.

I haven't played a good amount of call of duty since the original Modern Warfare. I bet if I put in Black Ops 2, it would feel like the exact same game. Something needs to change.

Baroni88