The Dreamcast is severely overrated

the console was great before it died but what good is a console when most of its great exclusives are no longer exclusives? most of its best exclusives were ported to the gc/xbox/ps2 and in many cases were better on those systems. so why do ppl rate the console so high? some ppl even rate it better than the ps2 but why? why is the dreamcast still praised so highly today?

While I do agree that the Dreamcast does not touch the PS2 in terms of quality, you are sadly mistaken about many of its best games being available on other consoles. Here is a list of amazing dreamcast games that have never been re-released on another home console and still make the system highly worth buying.

-Project Justice

-Mars Matrix

-Tech Romancer

-Virtual On: Orarorio Tangram

-Dynamite Cop

-Zombie Revenge

-Shenmue

-Gunbird 2

-Draconus Cult of the Wyrm

-Sega Bass Fishing 2

-Cannon Spike

-Metropolitan Street Racer

-Psychic Force 2012

-Maken X

-Death Crimson OX

-Sword of Berserk: Guts Rage

-Virtua Fighter 3tb

-Soul Calibur

-Sega Marine Fishing

-The Typing of the Dead

-Giga Wing and Giga Wing 2 (at least not ported to anything else outside Japan)

There are many other games as well that have never made another appearance on any other console, especially if you start including many Dreamcast imports. The Dreamcast still holds its own imo, and it definitely has the games to back that claim up. Even a lot of games that have gone to other consoles (Sonic Adventure, Power Stone, Marvel vs. Capcom) I still prefer on the Dreamcast years later.

Well I rate every other console I own better than the ps2, so that isn't really saying much.

You have to take time into context. It had a bunch of great games in the short time that it was alive like NFL 2K, House of the Dead 2, Sonic Adventure, Soul Calibur, Power Stone, and all the other fighters and shmups. People don't forget that, and not everything was ported, and it's still getting amazing games like Gunlord which beats the pants off Super Metroid. I don't think it's underrated either, because it does get bonus points for being the last SEGA console.

depends.

the Dreamcast is a great system , I like it alot and its a bridge between the 5th and 6th generations , and there are alot of great games in the Dreamcast library.

at the same time, I think its stupid how some will treat it as some sort of God's gift to gaming, there are systems which I like just as much , or more, but do not get that kind of attention.

While I do agree that the Dreamcast does not touch the PS2 in terms of quality, you are sadly mistaken about many of its best games being available on other consoles. Here is a list of amazing dreamcast games that have never been re-released on another home console and still make the system highly worth buying.

-Project Justice

-Mars Matrix

-Tech Romancer

-Virtual On: Orarorio Tangram

-Dynamite Cop

-Zombie Revenge

-Shenmue

-Gunbird 2

-Draconus Cult of the Wyrm

-Sega Bass Fishing 2

-Cannon Spike

-Metropolitan Street Racer

-Psychic Force 2012

-Maken X

-Death Crimson OX

-Sword of Berserk: Guts Rage

-Virtua Fighter 3tb

-Soul Calibur

-Sega Marine Fishing

-The Typing of the Dead

-Giga Wing and Giga Wing 2 (at least not ported to anything else outside Japan)

There are many other games as well that have never made another appearance on any other console, especially if you start including many Dreamcast imports. The Dreamcast still holds its own imo, and it definitely has the games to back that claim up. Even a lot of games that have gone to other consoles (Sonic Adventure, Power Stone, Marvel vs. Capcom) I still prefer on the Dreamcast years later.

Shenmue_Jehuty

Some of those games did got ported over.

I know GUNBIRD 2, DEATH CRIMSON OX, THE TYPING OF THE DEAD, MAKEN X, are on the PS2.

VIRTUAL ON : ORATORIO TANGRAM is on the XBOX 360.

depends.

the Dreamcast is a great system , I like it alot and its a bridge between the 5th and 6th generations , and there are alot of great games in the Dreamcast library.

at the same time, I think its stupid how some will treat it as some sort of God's gift to gaming, there are systems which I like just as much , or more, but do not get that kind of attention.

Darkman2007

The DC is defintely a great system. It did pretty much what it was intended to, as long as it lasted anyway. It was the first system with true current at the time arcade at home quality releases, and built in online capabilities.

The thing with the DC case though, is that people often label it as a great system without subjecting it to the same comparisons than the other systems of the generation. So more than often the system gets a free pass whilst the other systems do engange in comparisons with each other.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

depends.

the Dreamcast is a great system , I like it alot and its a bridge between the 5th and 6th generations , and there are alot of great games in the Dreamcast library.

at the same time, I think its stupid how some will treat it as some sort of God's gift to gaming, there are systems which I like just as much , or more, but do not get that kind of attention.

Panzer_Zwei

The DC is defintely a great system. It did pretty much what it was intended to, as long as it lasted anyway. It was the first system with true current at the time arcade at home quality releases, and built in online capabilities.

The thing with the DC case though, is that people often label it as a great system without subjecting it to the same comparisons than the other systems of the generation. So more than often the system gets a free pass whilst the other systems do engange in comparisons with each other.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

While I do agree that the Dreamcast does not touch the PS2 in terms of quality, you are sadly mistaken about many of its best games being available on other consoles. Here is a list of amazing dreamcast games that have never been re-released on another home console and still make the system highly worth buying.

-Project Justice

-Mars Matrix

-Tech Romancer

-Virtual On: Orarorio Tangram

-Dynamite Cop

-Zombie Revenge

-Shenmue

-Gunbird 2

-Draconus Cult of the Wyrm

-Sega Bass Fishing 2

-Cannon Spike

-Metropolitan Street Racer

-Psychic Force 2012

-Maken X

-Death Crimson OX

-Sword of Berserk: Guts Rage

-Virtua Fighter 3tb

-Soul Calibur

-Sega Marine Fishing

-The Typing of the Dead

-Giga Wing and Giga Wing 2 (at least not ported to anything else outside Japan)

There are many other games as well that have never made another appearance on any other console, especially if you start including many Dreamcast imports. The Dreamcast still holds its own imo, and it definitely has the games to back that claim up. Even a lot of games that have gone to other consoles (Sonic Adventure, Power Stone, Marvel vs. Capcom) I still prefer on the Dreamcast years later.

Panzer_Zwei

Some of those games did got ported over.

I know GUNBIRD 2, DEATH CRIMSON OX, THE TYPING OF THE DEAD, MAKEN X, are on the PS2.

VIRTUAL ON : ORATORIO TANGRAM is on the XBOX 360.

Regardless, you'd still have to import them from Japan which seems like more trouble and money than it's worth. They were still DC exclusive in the US and Europe.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

While I do agree that the Dreamcast does not touch the PS2 in terms of quality, you are sadly mistaken about many of its best games being available on other consoles. Here is a list of amazing dreamcast games that have never been re-released on another home console and still make the system highly worth buying.

-Project Justice

-Mars Matrix

-Tech Romancer

-Virtual On: Orarorio Tangram

-Dynamite Cop

-Zombie Revenge

-Shenmue

-Gunbird 2

-Draconus Cult of the Wyrm

-Sega Bass Fishing 2

-Cannon Spike

-Metropolitan Street Racer

-Psychic Force 2012

-Maken X

-Death Crimson OX

-Sword of Berserk: Guts Rage

-Virtua Fighter 3tb

-Soul Calibur

-Sega Marine Fishing

-The Typing of the Dead

-Giga Wing and Giga Wing 2 (at least not ported to anything else outside Japan)

There are many other games as well that have never made another appearance on any other console, especially if you start including many Dreamcast imports. The Dreamcast still holds its own imo, and it definitely has the games to back that claim up. Even a lot of games that have gone to other consoles (Sonic Adventure, Power Stone, Marvel vs. Capcom) I still prefer on the Dreamcast years later.

Shenmue_Jehuty

Some of those games did got ported over.

I know GUNBIRD 2, DEATH CRIMSON OX, THE TYPING OF THE DEAD, MAKEN X, are on the PS2.

VIRTUAL ON : ORATORIO TANGRAM is on the XBOX 360.

Regardless, you'd still have to import them from Japan which seems like more trouble and money than it's worth. They were still DC exclusive in the US and Europe.

GUNBIRD 1+2 and CRIMSON OX were released for the PS2 in Europe actually.

As for the others, I'm willing to bet you can find the PS2 versions cheaper than the DC ones.

Also, I think on the PS2 you can use any old USB keyboard for TYPING OF THE DEAD, whereas on the DC you need to find a dedicated one, which I don't think you can give it much practical use nowadays.

^ No doubt since the DC keyboard has practically zero use beyond that.

The game did came out for the PC in the US though, which is probably the best option for most people nowadays.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Some of those games did got ported over.

I know GUNBIRD 2, DEATH CRIMSON OX, THE TYPING OF THE DEAD, MAKEN X, are on the PS2.

VIRTUAL ON : ORATORIO TANGRAM is on the XBOX 360.

Panzer_Zwei

Regardless, you'd still have to import them from Japan which seems like more trouble and money than it's worth. They were still DC exclusive in the US and Europe.

GUNBIRD 1+2 and CRIMSON OX were released for the PS2 in Europe actually.

As for the others, I'm willing to bet you can find the PS2 versions cheaper than the DC ones.

Also, I think on the PS2 you can use any old USB keyboard for TYPING OF THE DEAD, whereas on the DC you need to find a dedicated one, which I don't think you can give it much practical use nowadays.

My mistake about those two in Europe (you can get the first Gunbird in NA too, but it's called Mobile Light Force on the PS), but even if you discount those games, the Dreamcast still has a good amount of exclusives (not counting arcade) that make it very much so worth owning even today. It is in no way overrated as the TC suggests and that was my point with listing all those games.

It's praised because it was ahead of its time.

-Pioneered online console gaming with its built-in modem

-DLC for some of its games (free of charge, too)

- The VMU, which some games had in-game features and minigames for

-DLC for some of its games (free of charge, too)

SonOfChewbacca

Agreed except for that one bit.

Most of the "DLC" was already on-disc, though, and was only used to held off content from the player. So I don't know if that can be said to be a good thing.

So now if for example you want the extra bit of stuff in ETERNAL ARCADIA, all characters in MARVEL VS. CAPCOM 2 (Japanese version) or the extra songs in SAMBA DE AMIGO, you would either need to be able to use the DC browser or get one of those VMU to PC adapters just to be able to unlock features that are already on the game.

There were better examples of games that used the online capabilities of the system in more interesting ways. Like how you could grab any JPEG image file from the web to use it as custom grafitti in JET SET RADIO.

MAKEN X, are on the PS2.Panzer_Zwei

People like the Dreamcast for the following reasons:

1. Near-perfect arcade ports.

2. Unique system - Some of it's game library was really unique for the time (Jet Set Radio Future, Seaman, Maken X, Typing of the Dead, etc.). And the controller and VMU memory units really stand out.

3. It's the last official Sega console. So it's the Sega of old's swan-song, which is something any Sega fan wants.

4. Often it has the best version of PS1/N64/Dreamcast multiplatform games (Spider-Man, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, WWF: Attitude, Marvel vs. Capcom, etc.).

5. Great exclusive games. Which aren't all available on modern or last-gen systems.

Good Dreamcast Games That Are Still Exclusives:

• Bangai-O
• Carrier
• Draconus: Cult of the Wyrm
• Dynamite Cop!
• Elemental Gimmick Gear
• Giga Wing 1 & 2
• Gunlord (Recent release, also on Neo Geo AES, but not on any modern or last-gen system)
• Maken X
• Metropolis Street Racer
• Power Stone 1 & 2
• The Record of Lodoss War
• Sega Rally Championship 2
• Shenmue
• Street Fighter III: Double Impact
• Sword of Berserk: Guts' Rage
• Typing of the Dead
• Virtua Fighter 3tB
• Zombie Revenge

That's not to say it's my favorite system, though. I do like it a lot. But there are other systems I like more.

While I do agree that the Dreamcast does not touch the PS2 in terms of quality, you are sadly mistaken about many of its best games being available on other consoles. Here is a list of amazing dreamcast games that have never been re-released on another home console and still make the system highly worth buying.

-Project Justice

-Mars Matrix

-Tech Romancer

-Virtual On: Orarorio Tangram

-Dynamite Cop

-Zombie Revenge

-Shenmue

-Gunbird 2

-Draconus Cult of the Wyrm

-Sega Bass Fishing 2

-Cannon Spike

-Metropolitan Street Racer

-Psychic Force 2012

-Maken X

-Death Crimson OX

-Sword of Berserk: Guts Rage

-Virtua Fighter 3tb

-Soul Calibur

-Sega Marine Fishing

-The Typing of the Dead

-Giga Wing and Giga Wing 2 (at least not ported to anything else outside Japan)

There are many other games as well that have never made another appearance on any other console, especially if you start including many Dreamcast imports. The Dreamcast still holds its own imo, and it definitely has the games to back that claim up. Even a lot of games that have gone to other consoles (Sonic Adventure, Power Stone, Marvel vs. Capcom) I still prefer on the Dreamcast years later.

Shenmue_Jehuty

I dislike most of the games in that list,but whatever.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

While I do agree that the Dreamcast does not touch the PS2 in terms of quality, you are sadly mistaken about many of its best games being available on other consoles. Here is a list of amazing dreamcast games that have never been re-released on another home console and still make the system highly worth buying.

-Project Justice

-Mars Matrix

-Tech Romancer

-Virtual On: Orarorio Tangram

-Dynamite Cop

-Zombie Revenge

-Shenmue

-Gunbird 2

-Draconus Cult of the Wyrm

-Sega Bass Fishing 2

-Cannon Spike

-Metropolitan Street Racer

-Psychic Force 2012

-Maken X

-Death Crimson OX

-Sword of Berserk: Guts Rage

-Virtua Fighter 3tb

-Soul Calibur

-Sega Marine Fishing

-The Typing of the Dead

-Giga Wing and Giga Wing 2 (at least not ported to anything else outside Japan)

There are many other games as well that have never made another appearance on any other console, especially if you start including many Dreamcast imports. The Dreamcast still holds its own imo, and it definitely has the games to back that claim up. Even a lot of games that have gone to other consoles (Sonic Adventure, Power Stone, Marvel vs. Capcom) I still prefer on the Dreamcast years later.

GreekGameManiac

I dislike most of the games in that list,but whatever.

to each their own.

to each their own.

Shenmue_Jehuty

Lot's of them suck,actually.

The Berserk game,are you insane?

it's definitely not overrated, you have to see it in it's time. if you didn't own a ddreamcast back in 1999-2001, you simply can't talk about this. the system was a revolution bigger than I'll ever see again in gaming.

it's definitely not overrated, you have to see it in it's time. if you didn't own a ddreamcast back in 1999-2001, you simply can't talk about this. the system was a revolution bigger than I'll ever see again in gaming.

bultje112

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

it's definitely not overrated, you have to see it in it's time. if you didn't own a ddreamcast back in 1999-2001, you simply can't talk about this. the system was a revolution bigger than I'll ever see again in gaming.

Kaszilla

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

to each their own.

GreekGameManiac

Lot's of them suck,actually.

The Berserk game,are you insane?

You are entitled to your opinion, however most people (including myself) would disagree with you on that.

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

it's definitely not overrated, you have to see it in it's time. if you didn't own a ddreamcast back in 1999-2001, you simply can't talk about this. the system was a revolution bigger than I'll ever see again in gaming.

bultje112

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"] Im talking about today when its best exclusives arent exclusives.Heirren

But Ocarina was released in the same era. :?

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="bultje112"] oh yeah? pls show me another console where I can play shenmue, the greatest game ever created

Emerald_Warrior

But Ocarina was released in the same era. :?

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] I wouldn't go that far, but Shenmue was the Ocarina of that era, I think.Darkman2007

But Ocarina was released in the same era. :?

I'm not talking about console generations. N64 and Dreamcast directly competed against each other in the market. People were buying Ocarina of Time off the shelves at the same time people were buying Shenmue off the shelves.

Check my blog in my signature.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

But Ocarina was released in the same era. :?

Emerald_Warrior

I'm not talking about console generations. N64 and Dreamcast directly competed against each other in the market. People were buying Ocarina of Time off the shelves at the same time people were buying Shenmue off the shelves.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] 1998 vs 2000 5th gen vs 6th gen. and yes I know the Dreamcast can be considerd a 5th gen system , but its the sucessor to the Saturn , which was 5th gen so it was a next gen system you could put it in the same place as a console like the 3DO , an inbetween generation effort.Darkman2007

I'm not talking about console generations. N64 and Dreamcast directly competed against each other in the market. People were buying Ocarina of Time off the shelves at the same time people were buying Shenmue off the shelves.

I was never talking about consoles or comparing them. He's saying that Shenmue is the Ocarina of Time of it's generation. And I'm saying that they're of the same era. You could walk into Wal-Mart and buy Shenmue or Ocarina of Time at the same time. They weren't "once in a generation games" if they sitting on the shelf side-by-side.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

I'm not talking about console generations. N64 and Dreamcast directly competed against each other in the market. People were buying Ocarina of Time off the shelves at the same time people were buying Shenmue off the shelves.

Emerald_Warrior

I was never talking about consoles or comparing them. He's saying that Shenmue is the Ocarina of Time of it's generation. And I'm saying that they're of the same era. You could walk into Wal-Mart and buy Shenmue or Ocarina of Time at the same time. They weren't "once in a generation games" if they sitting on the shelf side-by-side.

You are entitled to your opinion, however most people (including myself) would disagree with you on that.

Shenmue_Jehuty

Maybe ALOT of ppl(NOT "most")would disagree with me about some games.

Not Sword of the Berserk,though.

That's known to be horrible.

And YES,it is overrated,despite having some very good games.

Including tons of multiplats,too.

Btw Jehuty,there's a remake of Maken X on the PS2,i'm sure you know that?

Btw Jehuty,there's a remake of Maken X on the PS2,i'm sure you know that?GreekGameManiac

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"] Im talking about today when its best exclusives arent exclusives.Heirren

they were released around the same time and coarina of time doesn't hold a candle to shenmue imo. it was overrated beyond anything. not a bad game, but very overrated. I'd give it 8/10 shenmue (2) 10/10 perfection

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] I wouldn't go that far, but Shenmue was the Ocarina of that era, I think.Darkman2007

But Ocarina was released in the same era. :?

shenmue was originally released in 1999, to be exact 13 months after ocarina of time

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

You are entitled to your opinion, however most people (including myself) would disagree with you on that.

GreekGameManiac

Maybe ALOT of ppl(NOT "most")would disagree with me about some games.

Not Sword of the Berserk,though.

That's known to be horrible.

And YES,it is overrated,despite having some very good games.

Including tons of multiplats,too.

Btw Jehuty,there's a remake of Maken X on the PS2,i'm sure you know that?

http://www.gamespot.com/sword-of-the-berserk-guts-rage/

lol, do you feel like an idiot now. the game gets a horrendous 8,1 by it's users. that is indeed horrible :roll:

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

But Ocarina was released in the same era. :?

bultje112

shenmue was originally released in 1999, to be exact 13 months after ocarina of time

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="bultje112"] oh yeah? pls show me another console where I can play shenmue, the greatest game ever created

bultje112

they were released around the same time and coarina of time doesn't hold a candle to shenmue imo. it was overrated beyond anything. not a bad game, but very overrated. I'd give it 8/10 shenmue (2) 10/10 perfection

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] I wouldn't go that far, but Shenmue was the Ocarina of that era, I think.Heirren

they were released around the same time and coarina of time doesn't hold a candle to shenmue imo. it was overrated beyond anything. not a bad game, but very overrated. I'd give it 8/10 shenmue (2) 10/10 perfection

design quirks?

about the controls, for shenmue 1 I agree with manoevring in tight spots. shenmue 2(dreamcast), everything was perfect with the analog controls

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] 1998 vs 2000 5th gen vs 6th gen. and yes I know the Dreamcast can be considerd a 5th gen system , but its the sucessor to the Saturn , which was 5th gen so it was a next gen system you could put it in the same place as a console like the 3DO , an inbetween generation effort.Darkman2007

shenmue was originally released in 1999, to be exact 13 months after ocarina of time

yes, but also ocarina of time came out in november, so was also very late. that's why I mentioned that.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

You are entitled to your opinion, however most people (including myself) would disagree with you on that.

GreekGameManiac

Maybe ALOT of ppl(NOT "most")would disagree with me about some games.

Not Sword of the Berserk,though.

That's known to be horrible.

And YES,it is overrated,despite having some very good games.

Including tons of multiplats,too.

Btw Jehuty,there's a remake of Maken X on the PS2,i'm sure you know that?

Sword of Berzerk is a fantastic 3D beat-em with a great anime style to it. I'm pretty sure it is you in the minority on this one.

The DC BERSERK game is a lot better than the one that came out on the PS2 at least.

VIRTUA FIGHTER 3TB was a pretty shoddy arcade port though, I don't know why is it being mentioned as a great exclusive.

Plus the PS2 has VIRTUA FIGHTER 4 : EVOLUTION. It beats me why anyone would want to play VIRTUA FIGHTER 3TB over it.

For a system that last 18months-2years Sega's hardware Swan song is not overated. It is the most noteable failed console. With some great games and ideas. First on-line console. VMU which kinda forshadowed the Wii U.

But for some reason Sega stayed with CD ROM abiet a modified verson. The other consoles of the era used DVD ROM Xbox, Playstation 2 and Even the Gamecube with mini DVD.

So this console did bring a lot to the table. Enough to be remembered and rated "over"

Which it is as Sega is no longer in the hardware biz.

The DC BERSERK game is a lot better than the one that came out on the PS2 at least.

VIRTUA FIGHTER 3TB was a pretty shoddy arcade port though, I don't know why is it being mentioned as a great exclusive.

Plus the PS2 has VIRTUA FIGHTER 4 : EVOLUTION. It beats me why anyone would want to play VIRTUA FIGHTER 3TB over it.

Panzer_Zwei

It's a great game, very underrated despite being a mediocre port. I pumped a lot of hours just trying to learn the characters, and another chunk of hours playing with friends. It's also the last of the traditional VF, after 3, they just look and feel different.

It's also cheaper than dirt, why the hell not get it for the DC if you happen to have the console?