The Dreamcast is severely overrated

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

I suspect they might have to redo the controls for any rerelease, and by that I mean redo the game so that it uses both analog sticks, instead of the odd way it controlled on Dreamcast , people like us who enjoy retro games generally don't mind, but I can imagine alot of people complaining about the controls if they weren't changed. but its really just about budgeting, if Sega feels not enough people will buy it, they won't pour in enough money. and given the economy, not every game will get approved though Im not sure why it hasn't been done yet, Ive got a feeling that the other game ports are running on what is basically an emulator , and if that is the case, it can't take too long to bring Shenmue to the system.Panzer_Zwei

Maybe the games are just not as popular as fans would like to believe.

Other possible reason would be the incomplete state of the series. Again, fans of the series already would know what to expect, but the mainstream audience might not be as acceptable of a game which storyline was supposed to continue but never did.

exactly. I for one would not buy it as I don't care for shenmue 1 and 2 hd. they are already hd on my dreamcast with vga. all I want is shenmue 3 and so do all other shenmue fans think and those that don't know the game yet wouldn't want an unfinished story like shenmue.

the popularity is really there though. shenmue 1 sold almost 1.5 million on a 6 million userbase and shenmue still sells for around 50$ on ebay. that says a lot. it has only increased in cult following. back 12 years ago many people critized shenmue 1. by now almost no one has a bad thing to say about it. the game was way ahead of it's time.

There's been 5 RYU GA GOTOKU games, 2 spin-offs on the PSP, and even one with zombies. Not to mention an HD collection of the first two games.

Maybe just nobody cares about SHENMUE in Japan.

Panzer_Zwei

each of yakuza's installations has only sold around 100.000-200.000(ps2) more in japan than shenmue 1 did. whch is amazing considering how many ps3's and ps2's are in japan compared to how many dreamcasts there were in japan. still the real popularity of shenmue is in the west

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

I suspect they might have to redo the controls for any rerelease, and by that I mean redo the game so that it uses both analog sticks, instead of the odd way it controlled on Dreamcast , people like us who enjoy retro games generally don't mind, but I can imagine alot of people complaining about the controls if they weren't changed. but its really just about budgeting, if Sega feels not enough people will buy it, they won't pour in enough money. and given the economy, not every game will get approved though Im not sure why it hasn't been done yet, Ive got a feeling that the other game ports are running on what is basically an emulator , and if that is the case, it can't take too long to bring Shenmue to the system.Shenmue_Jehuty

Maybe the games are just not as popular as fans would like to believe.

Other possible reason would be the incomplete state of the series. Again, fans of the series already would know what to expect, but the mainstream audience might not be as acceptable of a game which storyline was supposed to continue but never did.

I read that another big problem as to why the series fell off the radar had to do with the release of Shenmue 2 worldwide. Outside Japan it was released very quitely, not to mention the PAL region got it pretty much at the very end of the Dreamcast's lifespan, meaning pretty low sales for the game. The US of course got it over a year later and on the XBOX, and barely anybody at the time knew it was out, much less what it was. Again, this hurt sales for the game, pretty much telling Sega that there was no interest in the game. While I believe the game game does not carry the same fanbase numbers as something like Sonic or other really popular Sega franchises, I believe the cult following is big enough to make a commercially successful game, at least up to par with the Yakuza series, which is fairly similar.

the european version of shenmue 2 sold incredibly well and is the most imported game of all time, at least back then but I'm sure that record still holds. considering how many americans imported the game. even chains like EB imported the games and sold them in their shops together with a bootdisc. no other import I can think of had that ever. from europe I know that it sold very well. it was the best selling dreamcast title in netherlands until they stopped doing the charts in 2002. I can't say for other european countries but I'm sure it's the same. countries like uk and spain etc where dreamcast was very popular.

where it did "bomb" though was japan. shenmue 2 sold badly there. only 1/3 of shenmue 1 sales. still by then dreamcast was very dead in japan. and shenmue 2 was the third best selling game in japan in 2001 and 2002 only behind more popular sakura taisen and pso ver 2

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] It should go something like this. Shenmue HD Collection. $39.99 retail. ALL proceeds go to fund Shenmue 3. Pretty sure that would guarantee sales.Heirren

If that happened, I'd buy as many new copies as possible, resell them on Ebay to get my money back, and then buy some more. My level of commitment to making that series successful is ridiculous. My life will not be complete until the Shenmue saga is completed, I'm dead serious.

That would be a cool idea. But Yu Suzuki seems like a pretty loyal guy, as he has stayed with Sega even through the bad years recently. But he's since stepped out of retirement and started his own studios. So anything is possible, I suppose.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

I suspect they might have to redo the controls for any rerelease, and by that I mean redo the game so that it uses both analog sticks, instead of the odd way it controlled on Dreamcast , people like us who enjoy retro games generally don't mind, but I can imagine alot of people complaining about the controls if they weren't changed. but its really just about budgeting, if Sega feels not enough people will buy it, they won't pour in enough money. and given the economy, not every game will get approved though Im not sure why it hasn't been done yet, Ive got a feeling that the other game ports are running on what is basically an emulator , and if that is the case, it can't take too long to bring Shenmue to the system.Shenmue_Jehuty

Maybe the games are just not as popular as fans would like to believe.

Other possible reason would be the incomplete state of the series. Again, fans of the series already would know what to expect, but the mainstream audience might not be as acceptable of a game which storyline was supposed to continue but never did.

I read that another big problem as to why the series fell off the radar had to do with the release of Shenmue 2 worldwide. Outside Japan it was released very quitely, not to mention the PAL region got it pretty much at the very end of the Dreamcast's lifespan, meaning pretty low sales for the game. The US of course got it over a year later and on the XBOX, and barely anybody at the time knew it was out, much less what it was. Again, this hurt sales for the game, pretty much telling Sega that there was no interest in the game. While I believe the game game does not carry the same fanbase numbers as something like Sonic or other really popular Sega franchises, I believe the cult following is big enough to make a commercially successful game, at least up to par with the Yakuza series, which is fairly similar.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Maybe the games are just not as popular as fans would like to believe.

Other possible reason would be the incomplete state of the series. Again, fans of the series already would know what to expect, but the mainstream audience might not be as acceptable of a game which storyline was supposed to continue but never did.

The-Pet-Panda

I read that another big problem as to why the series fell off the radar had to do with the release of Shenmue 2 worldwide. Outside Japan it was released very quitely, not to mention the PAL region got it pretty much at the very end of the Dreamcast's lifespan, meaning pretty low sales for the game. The US of course got it over a year later and on the XBOX, and barely anybody at the time knew it was out, much less what it was. Again, this hurt sales for the game, pretty much telling Sega that there was no interest in the game. While I believe the game game does not carry the same fanbase numbers as something like Sonic or other really popular Sega franchises, I believe the cult following is big enough to make a commercially successful game, at least up to par with the Yakuza series, which is fairly similar.

yakuza came out in 2005, the first game. in all those 4 years between there(2001-2005) was no shenmue 3 either. yakuza has nothing to do with sega not releasing shenmue 3.

[QUOTE="The-Pet-Panda"][QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I read that another big problem as to why the series fell off the radar had to do with the release of Shenmue 2 worldwide. Outside Japan it was released very quitely, not to mention the PAL region got it pretty much at the very end of the Dreamcast's lifespan, meaning pretty low sales for the game. The US of course got it over a year later and on the XBOX, and barely anybody at the time knew it was out, much less what it was. Again, this hurt sales for the game, pretty much telling Sega that there was no interest in the game. While I believe the game game does not carry the same fanbase numbers as something like Sonic or other really popular Sega franchises, I believe the cult following is big enough to make a commercially successful game, at least up to par with the Yakuza series, which is fairly similar.

bultje112

yakuza came out in 2005, the first game. in all those 4 years between there(2001-2005) was no shenmue 3 either. yakuza has nothing to do with sega not releasing shenmue 3.

Maybe it is. I wouldn't put the DC above the PS2, Xbox and GC. But it's not a bad system that could be argued that it's worth owning one.

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="The-Pet-Panda"] The issue you are not getting is the reason why there is no Shemue is because there IS Yakuza, which has proved itself to have consistent legs unlike shenmue. Sega is not the make 4000 different games per day they used to be, they have to rely on the franchises that sell, like Sonic, and their parent company is not even contributing. So until something at Sega sales enough to bring them enough profit to be bringing back games like Phantasy Star, then you will probably not see Shenmue. Heck, Sonic colors and Sonic generations have large fanbases saying he came back and selling quite well yet Sonic 06 still has sold more than both of them combined at least count, and that is also including the secret rings.The-Pet-Panda

yakuza came out in 2005, the first game. in all those 4 years between there(2001-2005) was no shenmue 3 either. yakuza has nothing to do with sega not releasing shenmue 3.

your point was that sega were making yakuza and can't make tons of games a year. well between 2001 and 2005, no similar games were released and yu suzuki was literally given nothing to do. so no excuse

[QUOTE="The-Pet-Panda"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

yakuza came out in 2005, the first game. in all those 4 years between there(2001-2005) was no shenmue 3 either. yakuza has nothing to do with sega not releasing shenmue 3.

bultje112

your point was that sega were making yakuza and can't make tons of games a year. well between 2001 and 2005, no similar games were released and yu suzuki was literally given nothing to do. so no excuse

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="The-Pet-Panda"] It has quite a bit to do with it, but you seemed to have omitted all the other reason I listed and misquoted me by making it look like I stated that Yakuza was the primary reason.The-Pet-Panda

your point was that sega were making yakuza and can't make tons of games a year. well between 2001 and 2005, no similar games were released and yu suzuki was literally given nothing to do. so no excuse

sega from 2001-2005 was in way better shape financially than they were in the mid to late 90s when they were doing shenmue. especially when they merged with sammy and as of today they are a very big company again. to me it seems like they punished yu suzuki somehow, same way nintendo with with motoi(sp?) after the virtual buy, despite him also having made the gameboy

[QUOTE="The-Pet-Panda"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

your point was that sega were making yakuza and can't make tons of games a year. well between 2001 and 2005, no similar games were released and yu suzuki was literally given nothing to do. so no excuse

bultje112

sega from 2001-2005 was in way better shape financially than they were in the mid to late 90s when they were doing shenmue. especially when they merged with sammy and as of today they are a very big company again. to me it seems like they punished yu suzuki somehow, same way nintendo with with motoi(sp?) after the virtual buy, despite him also having made the gameboy

You are wasting your time. The troll is banned. :lol:

Oh and it's Yokoi that did the virtual boy.

[QUOTE="Los9090"][QUOTE="obenns"] This. I never had a Dreamcast, but from documentaries I've seen it seems pretty good. It brought online multiplayer to the console, and that's a pretty big feat considering where we are now.bultje112

pso was really popular and sold quite well, although it deserved to have been a revolution like world of warcraft was. it changed videogaming for good. it changed my life for a few years in that I was addicted to it. after that no mmorpg could capture me like that. not saying that pso is better than those, but it was first and it did so many things right. literally ships with tens of thousands of people online at all the time. my god it was awesome! there are even some online videos of it on youtube and via special servers can still be played online on dreamcast

because it's a bull**** rumor. there is no shenmue hd, they haven't ported it or emulated it and I doubt they ever will because what';s the point of angering new fans with an unfinished story?bultje112

I also want to hang around in the Tomato Convenience store and listen to the jingle... for HOURS at a time.SulIy

any convience store on the face of the earth should play that song 24/7 and the consuming crisis would be over ;)

I do not know many games that were ported from Dreamcast to Gamecube or Xbox, only PS2, and from all the games I've read about, the PS2 version was never regarded as good as the Dreamcast version.

From my personal impressions, the PS2 is also sub-par when it comes to 2D graphics.

I do not know many games that were ported from Dreamcast to Gamecube or Xbox, only PS2, and from all the games I've read about, the PS2 version was never regarded as good as the Dreamcast version.

From my personal impressions, the PS2 is also sub-par when it comes to 2D graphics.

GaussRiemann

skies of arcadia, although I prefer the dreamcast version with vga and pinta's quest that I found very fun. but if you can get either, no worries. the differences are minimal

[QUOTE="GaussRiemann"]

I do not know many games that were ported from Dreamcast to Gamecube or Xbox, only PS2, and from all the games I've read about, the PS2 version was never regarded as good as the Dreamcast version.

From my personal impressions, the PS2 is also sub-par when it comes to 2D graphics.

Kaszilla

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"][QUOTE="GaussRiemann"]

I do not know many games that were ported from Dreamcast to Gamecube or Xbox, only PS2, and from all the games I've read about, the PS2 version was never regarded as good as the Dreamcast version.

From my personal impressions, the PS2 is also sub-par when it comes to 2D graphics.

Darkman2007

also you can't bring over your sehnmue 1 save file to shenmue 2 on the xbox, which is a huge deal to me, having collected so much and trained so much and there are also numerous moves missing if you didn't play 1. also on vga it looks better than xbox

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Kaszilla"] Shenmue--->xbox pso----->xbox and possibly ps2 and gc sonic adventures-----gamecube And I cant put the name in my head but one really good one was ported to the gamecube.bultje112

also you can't bring over your sehnmue 1 save file to shenmue 2 on the xbox, which is a huge deal to me, having collected so much and trained so much and there are also numerous moves missing if you didn't play 1. also on vga it looks better than xbox

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] youre thinking of Shenmue 2 , and quite frankly I prefer the Dreamcast version , the voice acting in the Xbox version is awful , its even worse than the first game in that regard.Darkman2007

also you can't bring over your sehnmue 1 save file to shenmue 2 on the xbox, which is a huge deal to me, having collected so much and trained so much and there are also numerous moves missing if you didn't play 1. also on vga it looks better than xbox

bought one at at launch.."as I always do"..but never cared for it..had some neat features but as far as games??..nothing much for me..Still have it in my collection though. They just never had a must have game to me..AND the 4-5 top rated games I just never cared for..

Most of it's significant games have been harvested to other platforms by now. The only game remaining on the system that makes it truly special for me is the original Shenmue. Shenmue 2 was ported to the first Xbox, but the first remains Dreamcast only. Oddly, all the attempts by Sega to get DC games back out to consumers have avoided this one title. I really hope both games get digital downloads on the major systems in the next few years, I'd love to see it on Wii U since the gamepad could replicate a VMU screen.SulIy

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] youre thinking of Shenmue 2 , and quite frankly I prefer the Dreamcast version , the voice acting in the Xbox version is awful , its even worse than the first game in that regard.Darkman2007

also you can't bring over your sehnmue 1 save file to shenmue 2 on the xbox, which is a huge deal to me, having collected so much and trained so much and there are also numerous moves missing if you didn't play 1. also on vga it looks better than xbox

also the many ports isn't entirely true. most games were multi plats on n64 and psx, where dreamcats was by far the more superior version, look at tony hawk, rush, shadowman and countless other examples. all ps2 multiports, although less significant also looked better on dreamcast and via vga a lot better, ecco, crazy taxi, virtua tennis 2, f355 etc

also the many ports isn't entirely true. most games were multi plats on n64 and psx, where dreamcats was by far the more superior version, look at tony hawk, rush, shadowman and countless other examples. all ps2 multiports, although less significant also looked better on dreamcast and via vga a lot better, ecco, crazy taxi, virtua tennis 2, f355 etc

bultje112

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

also the many ports isn't entirely true. most games were multi plats on n64 and psx, where dreamcats was by far the more superior version, look at tony hawk, rush, shadowman and countless other examples. all ps2 multiports, although less significant also looked better on dreamcast and via vga a lot better, ecco, crazy taxi, virtua tennis 2, f355 etc

Heirren

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

also the many ports isn't entirely true. most games were multi plats on n64 and psx, where dreamcats was by far the more superior version, look at tony hawk, rush, shadowman and countless other examples. all ps2 multiports, although less significant also looked better on dreamcast and via vga a lot better, ecco, crazy taxi, virtua tennis 2, f355 etc

Darkman2007

DC being a simplified platform is not ironic at all, is it? Sega did this because having Saturn being a very complex system, in ways, cost them that generation. Heirren

[QUOTE="Heirren"]DC being a simplified platform is not ironic at all, is it? Sega did this because having Saturn being a very complex system, in ways, cost them that generation. Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Heirren"]DC being a simplified platform is not ironic at all, is it? Sega did this because having Saturn being a very complex system, in ways, cost them that generation. Heirren

Never actually played the Dreamcast. Didn't appeal to me.

I don't think the DreamCast was technically bad system, and i understand why many people really like it........
but for me personally, it was a huge dissapointment.

my personal and subjective criteria for being dissapointed by the DreamCast:

1) LACKED MY FAVORITE SEGA SERIES
no panzer dragoon.
no shinobi.
no shining force.
no golden axe.
no phantasy star. (by this I mean a REAL phantasy star in traditional rpg form...PSO was okay, but not what I wanted in a next-gen phantasy star)
no nights.
now, granted, the DreamCast run was cut horribly short, and some of these may have shown up down the road had the DC lasted longer, but regardless, at the end of the day, the DreamCast simply didn't have my favorite sega series on it.
oddly enough, all of those series ended up with releases on other platforms after the DC died (I'm not sure if they were originally "planned" as DC releases or not)

2) NO BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY
now, perhaps someone can provide me some sort of technical reason why back-comp would have been difficult or even impossible, but i still say thats simpliy a design error on Sega's part (personal opinion only). i just think that given the fiascos and bad history of the SegaCD/Saturn etc... Sega needed to convice me that they cared about the fans that spent money and time on those other platforms.....
...not to mention that having SegaCD/Saturn titles playable on the DreamCast would have given it a better available library.
hell, it didn't even have to be back-comp, they could have just re-released 15-20 of the best Saturn titles reworked/ported/converted and that would have given people a better starting library

3) HORRIBLE PADDLE
no idea what the deal here was, but the DreamCast paddle was awful. Not as bad as the N64's mind you, but still pretty damn bad.
the D-pad, important for 2D fighters, shmups and the like, was sharp and uncomfortable.
the analog stick seemed in an awkward position.
the cord was poorly placed, with that silly clip to hold it where it should have come out from lol.
the choice to go with a single analog after PSone had already made dual analog a standard was an odd choice aswell imo.
and of course, the paddle was just generally not very ergonomic.

4) LACK OF RPGS
this obviously isn't any concern to non-rpg gamers, but for me personally, its my #1 genre of interest, and the DreamCast was relatively barren of quality rpgs.
other than "skies of arcadia" and "grandia II", there isn't much to recommend. "Record of Lodoss War", "Evolutions I & II", "Time Stalkers" and such were mediocre at very best, and "phantsy star online", while technically an rpg I guess, certainly wasn't a traditional rpg experience.

I don't think the DreamCast was technically bad system, and i understand why many people really like it........
but for me personally, it was a huge dissapointment.

my personal and subjective criteria for being dissapointed by the DreamCast:

1) LACKED MY FAVORITE SEGA SERIES
no panzer dragoon.
no shinobi.
no shining force.
no golden axe.
no phantasy star. (by this I mean a REAL phantasy star in traditional rpg form...PSO was okay, but not what I wanted in a next-gen phantasy star)
no nights.
now, granted, the DreamCast run was cut horribly short, and some of these may have shown up down the road had the DC lasted longer, but regardless, at the end of the day, the DreamCast simply didn't have my favorite sega series on it.
oddly enough, all of those series ended up with releases on other platforms after the DC died (I'm not sure if they were originally "planned" as DC releases or not)

2) NO BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY
now, perhaps someone can provide me some sort of technical reason why back-comp would have been difficult or even impossible, but i still say thats simpliy a design error on Sega's part (personal opinion only). i just think that given the fiascos and bad history of the SegaCD/Saturn etc... Sega needed to convice me that they cared about the fans that spent money and time on those other platforms.....
...not to mention that having SegaCD/Saturn titles playable on the DreamCast would have given it a better available library.
hell, it didn't even have to be back-comp, they could have just re-released 15-20 of the best Saturn titles reworked/ported/converted and that would have given people a better starting library

3) HORRIBLE PADDLE
no idea what the deal here was, but the DreamCast paddle was awful. Not as bad as the N64's mind you, but still pretty damn bad.
the D-pad, important for 2D fighters, shmups and the like, was sharp and uncomfortable.
the analog stick seemed in an awkward position.
the cord was poorly placed, with that silly clip to hold it where it should have come out from lol.
the choice to go with a single analog after PSone had already made dual analog a standard was an odd choice aswell imo.
and of course, the paddle was just generally not very ergonomic.

4) LACK OF RPGS
this obviously isn't any concern to non-rpg gamers, but for me personally, its my #1 genre of interest, and the DreamCast was relatively barren of quality rpgs.
other than "skies of arcadia" and "grandia II", there isn't much to recommend. "Record of Lodoss War", "Evolutions I & II", "Time Stalkers" and such were mediocre at very best, and "phantsy star online", while technically an rpg I guess, certainly wasn't a traditional rpg experience.

TheKungFool

funny thing I noticed regarding the controller, just recently I got (as a gift no less) ,Bleemcast MGS , and on thing I noticed is that the analog controls are just not quite as good as the original PS1 pad, theres just something about the analog stick that feels......loose , like there is less resistance than their should be.

as for backwards compatibility, it wouldn't have worked, certainly not with Saturn games, they shared almost nothing in common (though interestingly the CPUs were from the same series, the Saturn had twin Hitachi SH2 CPUs at 25Mhz each , DC had a single SH4 at 200Mhz) but doing backwards compatibility would have been impossible, at least not at that price point (emulation , likewise, would have been near impossible, I think there is a Saturn emulator for the Dreamcast, and I think it runs at about 3 fps)

as for backwards compatibility, it wouldn't have worked, certainly not with Saturn games, they shared almost nothing in common (though interestingly the CPUs were from the same series, the Saturn had twin Hitachi SH2 CPUs at 25Mhz each , DC had a single SH4 at 200Mhz) but doing backwards compatibility would have been impossible, at least not at that price point (emulation , likewise, would have been near impossible, I think there is a Saturn emulator for the Dreamcast, and I think it runs at about 3 fps)

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

as for backwards compatibility, it wouldn't have worked, certainly not with Saturn games, they shared almost nothing in common (though interestingly the CPUs were from the same series, the Saturn had twin Hitachi SH2 CPUs at 25Mhz each , DC had a single SH4 at 200Mhz) but doing backwards compatibility would have been impossible, at least not at that price point (emulation , likewise, would have been near impossible, I think there is a Saturn emulator for the Dreamcast, and I think it runs at about 3 fps)

TheKungFool

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

also the many ports isn't entirely true. most games were multi plats on n64 and psx, where dreamcats was by far the more superior version, look at tony hawk, rush, shadowman and countless other examples. all ps2 multiports, although less significant also looked better on dreamcast and via vga a lot better, ecco, crazy taxi, virtua tennis 2, f355 etc

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Dreamcast is the better system in some ways from a technical standpoint too.Heirren

I remember the DVD movie playback ability in the PS2 had a LOT to do with it. Back in 2001, DVD players were still pretty expensive. So getting a state-of-the-art (at the time) game console and a DVD player in one, for one price, was a heckuva deal for a lot of people.

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="godzillavskong"] Yeah. The Dreamcast fell victim to a lot of lazy, rushed ps1, or n64 ports, that didn't even take advantage of 50% of its power. I applaud Capcom for some of the love they gave the Dreamcast(RECV, Powerstone1, & 2, MVC series)Emerald_Warrior

I remember the DVD movie playback ability in the PS2 had a LOT to do with it. Back in 2001, DVD players were still pretty expensive. So getting a state-of-the-art (at the time) game console and a DVD player in one, for one price, was a heckuva deal for a lot of people.

I agree. DVD playback was huge. I think it was actually cheaper than most DVD players at the time.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] I'd say it also fell victim to a lot of arrogant, short sighted gamers hung up on the Playstation name, alone.logicalfrank

I remember the DVD movie playback ability in the PS2 had a LOT to do with it. Back in 2001, DVD players were still pretty expensive. So getting a state-of-the-art (at the time) game console and a DVD player in one, for one price, was a heckuva deal for a lot of people.

I agree. DVD playback was huge. I think it was actually cheaper than most DVD players at the time.

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="godzillavskong"] Yeah. The Dreamcast fell victim to a lot of lazy, rushed ps1, or n64 ports, that didn't even take advantage of 50% of its power. I applaud Capcom for some of the love they gave the Dreamcast(RECV, Powerstone1, & 2, MVC series)Emerald_Warrior

I remember the DVD movie playback ability in the PS2 had a LOT to do with it. Back in 2001, DVD players were still pretty expensive. So getting a state-of-the-art (at the time) game console and a DVD player in one, for one price, was a heckuva deal for a lot of people.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] I'd say it also fell victim to a lot of arrogant, short sighted gamers hung up on the Playstation name, alone.Heirren

I remember the DVD movie playback ability in the PS2 had a LOT to do with it. Back in 2001, DVD players were still pretty expensive. So getting a state-of-the-art (at the time) game console and a DVD player in one, for one price, was a heckuva deal for a lot of people.