The Wii is a very misunderstood console.

While it may not have been used for what exactly it was made for in some ways, the system is very misunderstood. With people barely exploring its library, instantly lower standards for a lot of games because of the Wiimote and its lack of graphics. But then you have so many games that people don;t know about.

I believe the Wii, despite what many people believe, could easily be a stand-alone consoles for many games and genres. By itself. You could enjoy it without having a PS3 and 360 (talking mostly to hardcore gamers.)

Many people on this site have limited the must-plays or suggestions put together to equal about 13 or so games. The Wii has a vast library of variety:

For example, here is a list of games I currently owned for the system I find at least partially decent enough to keep:

Blast Works: Build, Trade, Destroy WII Jun 11, 2008 Shoot-'Em-Up 8.0 286
Bully: Scholarship Edition WII Mar 4, 2008 Modern Action Adventure 8.0 1018
Calling WII Mar 9, 2010 Horror Action Adventure 3.5 78
Castlevania Judgment WII Nov 18, 2008 3D Fighting 3.0 296
The Conduit WII Jun 23, 2009 Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 6.5 998
Conduit 2 WII Apr 19, 2011 Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 7.0 138
Counter Force WII Oct 3, 2007 Rail Shooting 47
Cursed Mountain WII Aug 25, 2009 Horror Action Adventure 7.5 300
Dead Space: Extraction WII Sep 29, 2009 Horror Action Adventure 8.0 889
Disaster: Day of Crisis WII Oct 24, 2008 Action 5.5 106
Disney Epic Mickey WII Nov 30, 2010 3D Platformer 6.0 805
Donkey Kong Country Returns WII Nov 21, 2010 2D Platformer 8.5 1470
Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire WII Sep 25, 2007 Beat-'Em-Up 4.0 127
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors WII Feb 19, 2008 Role-Playing 5.5 598
Endless Ocean WII Jan 21, 2008 Adventure 7.0 1147
Endless Ocean: Blue World WII Feb 22, 2010 Adventure 8.0 235
Evasive Space WII Feb 16, 2009 Action 3.0 6
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn WII Nov 5, 2007 Fantasy Turn-Based Strategy 6.0 2252
Glacier 2 WII Oct 13, 2009 Car Combat 8
Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law WII Jan 8, 2008 Adventure 6.5 127
The King of Fighters Collection: The Orochi Saga WII Dec 2, 2008 2D Fighting 61
Kirby's Epic Yarn WII Oct 17, 2010 2D Platformer 8.5 951
Kirby's Return to Dream Land WII Oct 24, 2011 2D Platformer 7.5 165
The Kore Gang WII Nov 8, 2011 Sci-Fi Action Adventure 7.5 10
The Legend of Spyro: Dawn of the Dragon WII Oct 21, 2008 3D Platformer 5.0 103
The Legend of Spyro: The Eternal Night WII Oct 18, 2007 3D Platformer 5.0 194
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword WII Nov 20, 2011 Fantasy Action Adventure 7.5 1292
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess WII Nov 19, 2006 Fantasy Action Adventure 8.8 30589
Legend of the Dragon WII May 1, 2007 3D Fighting 3.0 46
Lost in Shadow WII Jan 4, 2011 3D Platformer 7.5 123
LostWinds WII May 12, 2008 2D Platformer 5.5 611
MadWorld WII Mar 10, 2009 Beat-'Em-Up 7.5 1957
Mario Kart Wii WII Apr 27, 2008 Kart Racing 8.5 14271
Mario Party 8 WII May 29, 2007 Party 6.5 6056
Mario Party 9 WII Mar 11, 2012 Party 6.0 42
Mario Strikers Charged WII Jul 30, 2007 Soccer 7.5 4051
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption WII Aug 27, 2007 Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 8.5 10522
Metroid Prime Trilogy WII Aug 24, 2009 Compilation 1815
Metroid: Other M WII Aug 31, 2010 Sci-Fi Action Adventure 8.5 1686
Monster Hunter Tri WII Apr 20, 2010 Action Role-Playing 8.0 1504
Mortal Kombat: Armageddon WII May 29, 2007 3D Fighting 7.5 960
Muramasa: The Demon Blade WII Sep 8, 2009 Action Role-Playing 7.5 1018
New Super Mario Bros. Wii WII Nov 15, 2009 2D Platformer 8.5 5435
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams WII Dec 18, 2007 3D Platformer 7.5 1132
No More Heroes WII Jan 22, 2008 Beat-'Em-Up 9.0 5425
No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle WII Jan 26, 2010 Beat-'Em-Up 8.5 1140
Obscure: The Aftermath WII Mar 25, 2008 Horror Action Adventure 4.5 172
Overlord: Dark Legend WII Jun 23, 2009 Fantasy Action Adventure 5.5 132
Phantom Brave: We Meet Again WII Aug 14, 2009 Fantasy Turn-Based Strategy 7.0 151
Pokemon Battle Revolution WII Jun 25, 2007 Fantasy Turn-Based Strategy 5.5 2330
Rayman Origins WII Nov 15, 2011 2D Platformer 8.5 69
Rayman Raving Rabbids WII Nov 14, 2006 Party 8.0 5541
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 WII Nov 15, 2007 Party 6.5 1333
Real Heroes: Firefighter WII Aug 4, 2009 Action 7.0 49
Red Steel WII Nov 19, 2006 Modern First-Person Shooter 5.5 4783
Red Steel 2 WII Mar 23, 2010 Modern First-Person Shooter 7.5 725
Rygar: The Battle of Argus WII Jan 28, 2009 Fantasy Action Adventure 6.5 84
SNK Arcade ****cs Vol. 1 WII Jul 29, 2008 Compilation 6.0 89
Samurai Warriors 3 WII Sep 28, 2010 Beat-'Em-Up 4.5 51
Scarface: The World Is Yours WII Jun 12, 2007 Modern Action Adventure 5.8 349
Secret Files: Tunguska WII Jun 22, 2010 Adventure 55
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing WII Feb 23, 2010 Kart Racing 8.0 200
Sonic Colors WII Nov 16, 2010 3D Platformer 8.0 565
Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity WII Jan 8, 2008 Racing 4.5 511
Sonic Unleashed WII Nov 18, 2008 3D Platformer 7.0 895
Sonic and the Black Knight WII Mar 3, 2009 Adventure 4.5 489
Sonic and the Secret Rings WII Feb 20, 2007 3D Platformer 7.6 3687
Star Soldier R WII May 19, 2008 Shoot-'Em-Up 7.0 71
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed WII Sep 16, 2008 Action 6.0 1381
Super Mario Galaxy WII Nov 12, 2007 3D Platformer 9.5 21894
Super Mario Galaxy 2 WII May 23, 2010 3D Platformer 10.0 3718
Super Smash Bros. Brawl WII Mar 9, 2008 3D Fighting 9.5 22696
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars WII Jan 26, 2010 2D Fighting 8.5 984
Tenchu: Shadow Assassins WII Feb 5, 2009 Historic Action Adventure 5.0 205
Tournament of Legends WII Jul 6, 2010 3D Fighting 4.5 14
Trauma Center: Second Opinion WII Nov 14, 2006 Action 8.0 3447
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga WII Sep 30, 2009 Role-Playing 2.5 81
Virtua Tennis 2009 WII Jun 9, 2009 Tennis 6.0 107
World of Goo WII Oct 13, 2008 Puzzle 9.0 1110
Xenoblade Chronicles

So many games, I think the Wii should be explored properly and people shouldn't rate games lower based on comparisons to other consoles and if you want to compare it to anything, compare the games to PS2 like equals.Because then it won;t force you to look down on many games and they get the proper scores they deserve.

The Wii's library is passable in the context of a contemporary Nintendo console. As the library of a generational leader? It's an abysmal pile of shi*. That's not to say that it didn't possess some tremendous games (mostly first party titles, like Galaxy and Donkey Kong Country Returns), only that it was nowhere near the level of a generational leader. Not even close.

Although I think you're right -- it should be explored, as it's the first time a generation has had a leader in hardware but not software. If people explored that simple fact, they'd be more apt to realize how dangerous the system was to the conventional industry, as well as seeing more clearly why Nintendo has no business leading the console market. The mind-fuc* of the Wii has caused ripples through the pond, causing previous industry stalwarts like Microsoft (and to a lesser degree, Sony) to become proponents of embarrassingly stupid concepts like MiniMiis and unresponsive motion control garbage. As such, I feel the Wii was a net negative to the industry. And believe me, I understood it just fine, I just realized (much too late, as most of us did) that I didn't like what it delivered or where it intended to go (and the market with it).

Its the worst console ever made, i'll cherry pick the few Wii games i want to play when i get a Wii U, im hoping that the stupid controls dont render a good game unplayable, which is probably going to be the case.

There is no misunderstanding when I say I despise the controller. Its garbage as far as I am concern specifically for regular games. Give me a standard controller that has proven to be the most effective for gaming.

Nintendo 64 was de bomb in house early 90's, and gamecube made resident evil god. but after that wii is confused console.

Its the worst console ever made, i'll cherry pick the few Wii games i want to play when i get a Wii U, im hoping that the stupid controls dont render a good game unplayable, which is probably going to be the case.

crimsonman1245

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Its the worst console ever made, i'll cherry pick the few Wii games i want to play when i get a Wii U, im hoping that the stupid controls dont render a good game unplayable, which is probably going to be the case.

JustPlainLucas

The Wii's library is passable in the context of a contemporary Nintendo console. As the library of a generational leader? It's an abysmal pile of shi*. That's not to say that it didn't possess some tremendous games (mostly first party titles, like Galaxy and Donkey Kong Country Returns), only that it was nowhere near the level of a generational leader. Not even close.

Although I think you're right -- it should be explored, as it's the first time a generation has had a leader in hardware but not software. If people explored that simple fact, they'd be more apt to realize how dangerous the system was to the conventional industry, as well as seeing more clearly why Nintendo has no business leading the console market. The mind-fuc* of the Wii has caused ripples through the pond, causing previous industry stalwarts like Microsoft (and to a lesser degree, Sony) to become proponents of embarrassingly stupid concepts like MiniMiis and unresponsive motion control garbage. As such, I feel the Wii was a net negative to the industry. And believe me, I understood it just fine, I just realized (much too late, as most of us did) that I didn't like what it delivered or where it intended to go (and the market with it).

Shame-usBlackley

The Wii's library is passable in the context of a contemporary Nintendo console. As the library of a generational leader? It's an abysmal pile of shi*. That's not to say that it didn't possess some tremendous games (mostly first party titles, like Galaxy and Donkey Kong Country Returns), only that it was nowhere near the level of a generational leader. Not even close.

Although I think you're right -- it should be explored, as it's the first time a generation has had a leader in hardware but not software. If people explored that simple fact, they'd be more apt to realize how dangerous the system was to the conventional industry, as well as seeing more clearly why Nintendo has no business leading the console market. The mind-fuc* of the Wii has caused ripples through the pond, causing previous industry stalwarts like Microsoft (and to a lesser degree, Sony) to become proponents of embarrassingly stupid concepts like MiniMiis and unresponsive motion control garbage. As such, I feel the Wii was a net negative to the industry. And believe me, I understood it just fine, I just realized (much too late, as most of us did) that I didn't like what it delivered or where it intended to go (and the market with it).

Shame-usBlackley

Calling WII Mar 9, 2010 Horror Action Adventure 3.5 78
Castlevania Judgment WII Nov 18, 2008 3D Fighting 3.0 296
Disaster: Day of Crisis WII Oct 24, 2008 Action 5.5 106
Disney Epic Mickey WII Nov 30, 2010 3D Platformer 6.0 805
Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire WII Sep 25, 2007 Beat-'Em-Up 4.0 127
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors WII Feb 19, 2008 Role-Playing 5.5 598
Evasive Space WII Feb 16, 2009 Action 3.0 6
The Legend of Spyro: Dawn of the Dragon WII Oct 21, 2008 3D Platformer 5.0 103
The Legend of Spyro: The Eternal Night WII Oct 18, 2007 3D Platformer 5.0 194
Legend of the Dragon WII May 1, 2007 3D Fighting 3.0 46
Obscure: The Aftermath WII Mar 25, 2008 Horror Action Adventure 4.5 172
Overlord: Dark Legend WII Jun 23, 2009 Fantasy Action Adventure 5.5 132
Red Steel WII Nov 19, 2006 Modern First-Person Shooter 5.5 4783
Samurai Warriors 3 WII Sep 28, 2010 Beat-'Em-Up 4.5 51
Sonic and the Black Knight WII Mar 3, 2009 Adventure 4.5 489
Tenchu: Shadow Assassins WII Feb 5, 2009 Historic Action Adventure 5.0 205
Tournament of Legends WII Jul 6, 2010 3D Fighting 4.5 14
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga WII Sep 30, 2009 Role-Playing 2.5 81

Last-Resort

It's strange that you would list games that had been rated so low while trying to make an argument for the library's quality. But yes, the Wii has an excellent library, it could potentially stamd on its own.

So basically, what we have here is a list of Wii games that you like and you asking for us to compare the Wii to the PS2 instead of current gen consoles, like it should.

Cute.

Not exactly, Most of the games I mentioned were rated lower and should have been rated higher except for some obvious ones, (Like the SMG series) which really shows that the games that tried to turn the Wii around have all pretty much failed because people were being ignorant of what he Wii was and decided that the only games on the Wii where what we ended up having as best sellers. This does go to your point however, as this does prove that the Wii had no business leading the console market this gen if you had to constantly change expectations, and each game that would have fixed the problem all failed. That's why I said people should explore the library (Most of the games I listed mostpeople have neve heard of) because then you will see what games failed and what games didn't, and when you then look at the whole picture, the more sad you feel for the Wii.Last-Resort

I don't feel sad for entertainment devices that entertain me less than others. I don't ally myself with these corporations for one second beyond the point where they serve my interests. I have owned products from all three makers, but I've never felt obliged to care about their interests over mine. Do you think Nintendo is sad that they didn't make the Wii into something befitting of leading the generation? I don't. I don't think they give a shi*, to be honest. Besides, the Wii's whole shtick was that it was supposed to foster this new Golden Age, a new era of enlightenment for video games, and maybe that's partly why people spit on most of the games on your list there, because of all the bullshi* about grand new never-before-experienced-designs that we were going to see, and near-cultist hysteria (from both Nintendo and Nintendo fans) about how it was going to "revolutionize" the market, completely ignoring the fact that they were trying to replace elaborate control systems with a device that was clearly incapable of handling the number of inputs found in a conventional controller and that the new controller clearly wasn't suited to entire genres of games. That software "revolution" never happened. That is not the market's fault, however. It's Nintendo's.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Its the worst console ever made, i'll cherry pick the few Wii games i want to play when i get a Wii U, im hoping that the stupid controls dont render a good game unplayable, which is probably going to be the case.

Last-Resort

The 3DO had a few good games (Road Rash, Need for Speed, a couple PC ports) but not enough to make it worth the astronomical asking price. The Jaguar was a just a piece of ****. If you're incapable of realizing that, I both pity and envy you. Pity you because of your obviously diminsihed mental capacity. Envy you because unlike normal people who are burdened by standards, you can play any piece of garbage and enjoy it.

While it may not have been used for what exactly it was made for in some ways, the system is very misunderstood. With people barely exploring its library, instantly lower standards for a lot of games because of the Wiimote and its lack of graphics. But then you have so many games that people don;t know about.

I believe the Wii, despite what many people believe, could easily be a stand-alone consoles for many games and genres. By itself. You could enjoy it without having a PS3 and 360 (talking mostly to hardcore gamers.)

Many people on this site have limited the must-plays or suggestions put together to equal about 13 or so games. The Wii has a vast library of variety:

For example, here is a list of games I currently owned for the system I find at least partially decent enough to keep:

Blast Works: Build, Trade, Destroy WII Jun 11, 2008 Shoot-'Em-Up 8.0 286
Bully: Scholarship Edition WII Mar 4, 2008 Modern Action Adventure 8.0 1018
Calling WII Mar 9, 2010 Horror Action Adventure 3.5 78
Castlevania Judgment WII Nov 18, 2008 3D Fighting 3.0 296
The Conduit WII Jun 23, 2009 Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 6.5 998
Conduit 2 WII Apr 19, 2011 Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 7.0 138
Counter Force WII Oct 3, 2007 Rail Shooting 47
Cursed Mountain WII Aug 25, 2009 Horror Action Adventure 7.5 300
Dead Space: Extraction WII Sep 29, 2009 Horror Action Adventure 8.0 889
Disaster: Day of Crisis WII Oct 24, 2008 Action 5.5 106
Disney Epic Mickey WII Nov 30, 2010 3D Platformer 6.0 805
Donkey Kong Country Returns WII Nov 21, 2010 2D Platformer 8.5 1470
Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire WII Sep 25, 2007 Beat-'Em-Up 4.0 127
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors WII Feb 19, 2008 Role-Playing 5.5 598
Endless Ocean WII Jan 21, 2008 Adventure 7.0 1147
Endless Ocean: Blue World WII Feb 22, 2010 Adventure 8.0 235
Evasive Space WII Feb 16, 2009 Action 3.0 6
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn WII Nov 5, 2007 Fantasy Turn-Based Strategy 6.0 2252
Glacier 2 WII Oct 13, 2009 Car Combat 8
Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law WII Jan 8, 2008 Adventure 6.5 127
The King of Fighters Collection: The Orochi Saga WII Dec 2, 2008 2D Fighting 61
Kirby's Epic Yarn WII Oct 17, 2010 2D Platformer 8.5 951
Kirby's Return to Dream Land WII Oct 24, 2011 2D Platformer 7.5 165
The Kore Gang WII Nov 8, 2011 Sci-Fi Action Adventure 7.5 10
The Legend of Spyro: Dawn of the Dragon WII Oct 21, 2008 3D Platformer 5.0 103
The Legend of Spyro: The Eternal Night WII Oct 18, 2007 3D Platformer 5.0 194
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword WII Nov 20, 2011 Fantasy Action Adventure 7.5 1292
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess WII Nov 19, 2006 Fantasy Action Adventure 8.8 30589
Legend of the Dragon WII May 1, 2007 3D Fighting 3.0 46
Lost in Shadow WII Jan 4, 2011 3D Platformer 7.5 123
LostWinds WII May 12, 2008 2D Platformer 5.5 611
MadWorld WII Mar 10, 2009 Beat-'Em-Up 7.5 1957
Mario Kart Wii WII Apr 27, 2008 Kart Racing 8.5 14271
Mario Party 8 WII May 29, 2007 Party 6.5 6056
Mario Party 9 WII Mar 11, 2012 Party 6.0 42
Mario Strikers Charged WII Jul 30, 2007 Soccer 7.5 4051
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption WII Aug 27, 2007 Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 8.5 10522
Metroid Prime Trilogy WII Aug 24, 2009 Compilation 1815
Metroid: Other M WII Aug 31, 2010 Sci-Fi Action Adventure 8.5 1686
Monster Hunter Tri WII Apr 20, 2010 Action Role-Playing 8.0 1504
Mortal Kombat: Armageddon WII May 29, 2007 3D Fighting 7.5 960
Muramasa: The Demon Blade WII Sep 8, 2009 Action Role-Playing 7.5 1018
New Super Mario Bros. Wii WII Nov 15, 2009 2D Platformer 8.5 5435
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams WII Dec 18, 2007 3D Platformer 7.5 1132
No More Heroes WII Jan 22, 2008 Beat-'Em-Up 9.0 5425
No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle WII Jan 26, 2010 Beat-'Em-Up 8.5 1140
Obscure: The Aftermath WII Mar 25, 2008 Horror Action Adventure 4.5 172
Overlord: Dark Legend WII Jun 23, 2009 Fantasy Action Adventure 5.5 132
Phantom Brave: We Meet Again WII Aug 14, 2009 Fantasy Turn-Based Strategy 7.0 151
Pokemon Battle Revolution WII Jun 25, 2007 Fantasy Turn-Based Strategy 5.5 2330
Rayman Origins WII Nov 15, 2011 2D Platformer 8.5 69
Rayman Raving Rabbids WII Nov 14, 2006 Party 8.0 5541
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 WII Nov 15, 2007 Party 6.5 1333
Real Heroes: Firefighter WII Aug 4, 2009 Action 7.0 49
Red Steel WII Nov 19, 2006 Modern First-Person Shooter 5.5 4783
Red Steel 2 WII Mar 23, 2010 Modern First-Person Shooter 7.5 725
Rygar: The Battle of Argus WII Jan 28, 2009 Fantasy Action Adventure 6.5 84
SNK Arcade ****cs Vol. 1 WII Jul 29, 2008 Compilation 6.0 89
Samurai Warriors 3 WII Sep 28, 2010 Beat-'Em-Up 4.5 51
Scarface: The World Is Yours WII Jun 12, 2007 Modern Action Adventure 5.8 349
Secret Files: Tunguska WII Jun 22, 2010 Adventure 55
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing WII Feb 23, 2010 Kart Racing 8.0 200
Sonic Colors WII Nov 16, 2010 3D Platformer 8.0 565
Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity WII Jan 8, 2008 Racing 4.5 511
Sonic Unleashed WII Nov 18, 2008 3D Platformer 7.0 895
Sonic and the Black Knight WII Mar 3, 2009 Adventure 4.5 489
Sonic and the Secret Rings WII Feb 20, 2007 3D Platformer 7.6 3687
Star Soldier R WII May 19, 2008 Shoot-'Em-Up 7.0 71
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed WII Sep 16, 2008 Action 6.0 1381
Super Mario Galaxy WII Nov 12, 2007 3D Platformer 9.5 21894
Super Mario Galaxy 2 WII May 23, 2010 3D Platformer 10.0 3718
Super Smash Bros. Brawl WII Mar 9, 2008 3D Fighting 9.5 22696
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars WII Jan 26, 2010 2D Fighting 8.5 984
Tenchu: Shadow Assassins WII Feb 5, 2009 Historic Action Adventure 5.0 205
Tournament of Legends WII Jul 6, 2010 3D Fighting 4.5 14
Trauma Center: Second Opinion WII Nov 14, 2006 Action 8.0 3447
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga WII Sep 30, 2009 Role-Playing 2.5 81
Virtua Tennis 2009 WII Jun 9, 2009 Tennis 6.0 107
World of Goo WII Oct 13, 2008 Puzzle 9.0 1110
Xenoblade Chronicles

So many games, I think the Wii should be explored properly and people shouldn't rate games lower based on comparisons to other consoles and if you want to compare it to anything, compare the games to PS2 like equals.Because then it won;t force you to look down on many games and they get the proper scores they deserve.

It's great as a secondary console, but just owning a Wii means you miss out on too much. My PC + Wii combo has been very satisfying so far, though.

I've owned all three consoles throughout the entire generational cycle and I find the very notion that the Wii is misunderstood ridiculous.

I also flatly reject the notion that the Wii could sustain a core gamer with its paltry lineup of games.

I've actually played many of the games on your list and most of them are – objectively - mediocre experiences. As somebody else already suggested, the fact that the best list you could generate actually illustrates why the console is second tier is both sadly ironic and undeniably accurate.

Let me put I another way for you, OP:

If the Wii were my only console choice I'd be a dedicated PC gamer by now.

If you could say one overlooked positive about Nintendo - they kept backward-compatibility available in the hardware FAR longer than Sony, and offers (likely) full support for the previous systems' games unlike the somewhat-limited amount of original Xbox titles that run on Xbox 360.Stinger78

That was due to the system being almost identical hardware wise to the Gamecube.

I don't know if I can deal with having just a Wii. But, between the Wii and my gaming PC, I have a lot covered; more than I can finish anyway.

I've owned all three consoles throughout the entire generational cycle and I find the very notion that the Wii is misunderstood ridiculous.

I also flatly reject the notion that the Wii could sustain a core gamer with its paltry lineup of games.

I've actually played many of the games on your list and most of them are – objectively - mediocre experiences. As somebody else already suggested, the fact that the best list you could generate actually illustrates why the console is second tier is both sadly ironic and undeniably accurate.

Let me put I another way for you, OP:

If the Wii were my only console choice I'd be a dedicated PC gamer by now.

Grammaton-Cleric

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"] So you're saying the 3D0 was better than the Wii? The Jaguar? The CD-i? The Neo Geo? CarnageHeart

The 3DO had a few good games (Road Rash, Need for Speed, a couple PC ports) but not enough to make it worth the astronomical asking price. The Jaguar was a just a piece of ****. If you're incapable of realizing that, I both pity and envy you. Pity you because of your obviously diminsihed mental capacity. Envy you because unlike normal people who are burdened by standards, you can play any piece of garbage and enjoy it.

I didn't get the Wii until Skyward Sword was about to be released, but I can agree with the TC that this console is very misundestood. There's plenty of great experiences to be had and while motion control isn't perfect, it provides a really unique type of gameplay. If you don't have a Wii, get one because the price is right.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"]

While it may not have been used for what exactly it was made for in some ways, the system is very misunderstood. With people barely exploring its library, instantly lower standards for a lot of games because of the Wiimote and its lack of graphics. But then you have so many games that people don;t know about.

I believe the Wii, despite what many people believe, could easily be a stand-alone consoles for many games and genres. By itself. You could enjoy it without having a PS3 and 360 (talking mostly to hardcore gamers.)

Many people on this site have limited the must-plays or suggestions put together to equal about 13 or so games. The Wii has a vast library of variety:

For example, here is a list of games I currently owned for the system I find at least partially decent enough to keep:

Blast Works: Build, Trade, Destroy WII Jun 11, 2008 Shoot-'Em-Up 8.0 286
Bully: Scholarship Edition WII Mar 4, 2008 Modern Action Adventure 8.0 1018
Calling WII Mar 9, 2010 Horror Action Adventure 3.5 78
Castlevania Judgment WII Nov 18, 2008 3D Fighting 3.0 296
The Conduit WII Jun 23, 2009 Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 6.5 998
Conduit 2 WII Apr 19, 2011 Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 7.0 138
Counter Force WII Oct 3, 2007 Rail Shooting 47
Cursed Mountain WII Aug 25, 2009 Horror Action Adventure 7.5 300
Dead Space: Extraction WII Sep 29, 2009 Horror Action Adventure 8.0 889
Disaster: Day of Crisis WII Oct 24, 2008 Action 5.5 106
Disney Epic Mickey WII Nov 30, 2010 3D Platformer 6.0 805
Donkey Kong Country Returns WII Nov 21, 2010 2D Platformer 8.5 1470
Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire WII Sep 25, 2007 Beat-'Em-Up 4.0 127
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors WII Feb 19, 2008 Role-Playing 5.5 598
Endless Ocean WII Jan 21, 2008 Adventure 7.0 1147
Endless Ocean: Blue World WII Feb 22, 2010 Adventure 8.0 235
Evasive Space WII Feb 16, 2009 Action 3.0 6
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn WII Nov 5, 2007 Fantasy Turn-Based Strategy 6.0 2252
Glacier 2 WII Oct 13, 2009 Car Combat 8
Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law WII Jan 8, 2008 Adventure 6.5 127
The King of Fighters Collection: The Orochi Saga WII Dec 2, 2008 2D Fighting 61
Kirby's Epic Yarn WII Oct 17, 2010 2D Platformer 8.5 951
Kirby's Return to Dream Land WII Oct 24, 2011 2D Platformer 7.5 165
The Kore Gang WII Nov 8, 2011 Sci-Fi Action Adventure 7.5 10
The Legend of Spyro: Dawn of the Dragon WII Oct 21, 2008 3D Platformer 5.0 103
The Legend of Spyro: The Eternal Night WII Oct 18, 2007 3D Platformer 5.0 194
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword WII Nov 20, 2011 Fantasy Action Adventure 7.5 1292
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess WII Nov 19, 2006 Fantasy Action Adventure 8.8 30589
Legend of the Dragon WII May 1, 2007 3D Fighting 3.0 46
Lost in Shadow WII Jan 4, 2011 3D Platformer 7.5 123
LostWinds WII May 12, 2008 2D Platformer 5.5 611
MadWorld WII Mar 10, 2009 Beat-'Em-Up 7.5 1957
Mario Kart Wii WII Apr 27, 2008 Kart Racing 8.5 14271
Mario Party 8 WII May 29, 2007 Party 6.5 6056
Mario Party 9 WII Mar 11, 2012 Party 6.0 42
Mario Strikers Charged WII Jul 30, 2007 Soccer 7.5 4051
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption WII Aug 27, 2007 Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 8.5 10522
Metroid Prime Trilogy WII Aug 24, 2009 Compilation 1815
Metroid: Other M WII Aug 31, 2010 Sci-Fi Action Adventure 8.5 1686
Monster Hunter Tri WII Apr 20, 2010 Action Role-Playing 8.0 1504
Mortal Kombat: Armageddon WII May 29, 2007 3D Fighting 7.5 960
Muramasa: The Demon Blade WII Sep 8, 2009 Action Role-Playing 7.5 1018
New Super Mario Bros. Wii WII Nov 15, 2009 2D Platformer 8.5 5435
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams WII Dec 18, 2007 3D Platformer 7.5 1132
No More Heroes WII Jan 22, 2008 Beat-'Em-Up 9.0 5425
No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle WII Jan 26, 2010 Beat-'Em-Up 8.5 1140
Obscure: The Aftermath WII Mar 25, 2008 Horror Action Adventure 4.5 172
Overlord: Dark Legend WII Jun 23, 2009 Fantasy Action Adventure 5.5 132
Phantom Brave: We Meet Again WII Aug 14, 2009 Fantasy Turn-Based Strategy 7.0 151
Pokemon Battle Revolution WII Jun 25, 2007 Fantasy Turn-Based Strategy 5.5 2330
Rayman Origins WII Nov 15, 2011 2D Platformer 8.5 69
Rayman Raving Rabbids WII Nov 14, 2006 Party 8.0 5541
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 WII Nov 15, 2007 Party 6.5 1333
Real Heroes: Firefighter WII Aug 4, 2009 Action 7.0 49
Red Steel WII Nov 19, 2006 Modern First-Person Shooter 5.5 4783
Red Steel 2 WII Mar 23, 2010 Modern First-Person Shooter 7.5 725
Rygar: The Battle of Argus WII Jan 28, 2009 Fantasy Action Adventure 6.5 84
SNK Arcade ****cs Vol. 1 WII Jul 29, 2008 Compilation 6.0 89
Samurai Warriors 3 WII Sep 28, 2010 Beat-'Em-Up 4.5 51
Scarface: The World Is Yours WII Jun 12, 2007 Modern Action Adventure 5.8 349
Secret Files: Tunguska WII Jun 22, 2010 Adventure 55
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing WII Feb 23, 2010 Kart Racing 8.0 200
Sonic Colors WII Nov 16, 2010 3D Platformer 8.0 565
Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity WII Jan 8, 2008 Racing 4.5 511
Sonic Unleashed WII Nov 18, 2008 3D Platformer 7.0 895
Sonic and the Black Knight WII Mar 3, 2009 Adventure 4.5 489
Sonic and the Secret Rings WII Feb 20, 2007 3D Platformer 7.6 3687
Star Soldier R WII May 19, 2008 Shoot-'Em-Up 7.0 71
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed WII Sep 16, 2008 Action 6.0 1381
Super Mario Galaxy WII Nov 12, 2007 3D Platformer 9.5 21894
Super Mario Galaxy 2 WII May 23, 2010 3D Platformer 10.0 3718
Super Smash Bros. Brawl WII Mar 9, 2008 3D Fighting 9.5 22696
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars WII Jan 26, 2010 2D Fighting 8.5 984
Tenchu: Shadow Assassins WII Feb 5, 2009 Historic Action Adventure 5.0 205
Tournament of Legends WII Jul 6, 2010 3D Fighting 4.5 14
Trauma Center: Second Opinion WII Nov 14, 2006 Action 8.0 3447
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga WII Sep 30, 2009 Role-Playing 2.5 81
Virtua Tennis 2009 WII Jun 9, 2009 Tennis 6.0 107
World of Goo WII Oct 13, 2008 Puzzle 9.0 1110
Xenoblade Chronicles

So many games, I think the Wii should be explored properly and people shouldn't rate games lower based on comparisons to other consoles and if you want to compare it to anything, compare the games to PS2 like equals.Because then it won;t force you to look down on many games and they get the proper scores they deserve.

GodModeEnabled

I have had all three consoles for years now and I believe without question that the Wii has a better library. So many hidden gems like Little King's Story, Zack and Wiki, Fragile Dreams, Blastworks, Castle of Shikigami III, Ivy the Kiwi, Deadly Creatures, Fishing Resort, Mercury Meltdown Revolution, Muramasa, Lost in Shadow, Red Steel 2, Rune Factory, MadWorld, A Boy and His Blob, and so many others... I think the Wii really hits the sweet spot between "full fledged HD console title with expensive development costs" and "download-only title with not enough content to sell for full price". The Wii is much cheaper to make games for and as a result I believe developers are more eager to take risks on full-fledged experiences. famicommander

I don't understand how anyone can claim that the Wii has a superior library when objectively looking at the evidence.

Even if you subscribe to the notion that the Wii actually enjoyed a healthy smattering of software (something your paltry list actually negates) there is no denying that in terms of genre and variety the Wii is tremendously handicapped when compared to the HD consoles.

Let's take a look at some of the genres:

Fighting – The Wii enjoyed maybe two or three viable fighters IF you include Smash Bros. And it lacked the online infrastructure to make the competitive multiplayer (which is the crux of the genre) anything more than an afterthought. By contrast, the HD systems saw, among others: Blazblue, MK9, Soul Caliber 4 and 5, Tekken 6, Virtua Fighter 5, (Final Tuned comes this summer) DOA 4 (and 5) Street Fighter IV, Third Strike and Turbo Re-mastered, SFXTekken, and Marvel Vs. Capcom 3,.

And those are just off the top of my head.

Shooters – Yeah…good luck with that on the Wii. Probably the best shooter on the console was the excellent Red Steel 2 and it wasn't even a dedicated shooter.

Racers – The Wii got Mario Kart…again. The HD systems got a new Grand Turismo, Forza, a new Burnout, Need for Speed, Split Second, Wipeout HD, Dirt, Pure …and the list goes on.

Platformers – Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 were excellent. Donkey Kong Country and some other entries were also very good. Overall it is probably the best-represented genre on the system and arguably the only genre where the console can compete head-on with the HD systems.

RPGs – No contest, the Wii loses hands down in terms of volume and variety. Hell, even the recent release of Xenoblade has been effectively matched (if not outright surpassed) by the release of the Witcher 2 next week on the XB360.

I could go on but the point is clear and definitive: The HD consoles clearly have more variety by genre than the Wii and offer a much broader experience.

Even more interesting is that not only are there far more games being released on the HD consoles but those games on average carry far higher meta scores than what is being released on the Wii.

Quality over quantity only works when what is being released is actually good. The Wii, like every other Nintendo console since the N64, enjoys a few high-profile releases (most of them first party) each year while just about everything else is shovel-ware sludge.

As to the notion that the Wii is some sort of platform for innovation, that argument is circa 2006 when people still thought the pitiful processing power of the console coupled with the (supposedly innovative) motion controls were going to ignite developers to innovate.

Then a sheet of ice water known as reality came pouring down from the heavens and these same people learned that processing power is necessary for certain innovations to be implemented and that perhaps making a console less powerful than the XB1 was, in retrospect, a short-sighted move.

The reality is that most high-end developers abandoned the Wii once they realized it was little more than a PS2 with waggle controls. Those who generously stayed on board and tried to make decent third party games (Red Steel, No More Heroes, Mad World) would eventually see their efforts eclipsed by Nintendo's first party titles and the proliferation of cheap games purchased en masse by a casual public uninterested in anything but the novelty of motion control.

And really, how do you make the erroneous leap that the Wii has the more innovative and divergent software?

Both PSN and XBLA enjoy libraries better than the entirety of the Wii console and both services have games far more innovative and divergent than anything seen on Nintendo's little white box. Games like Braid, Limbo, From Dust, Fez, I Am Alive, Journey, Super Meat Boy and so many more represent the apex of innovation while the Wii currently sits there waiting to die as its successor is prepared.

If you prefer the mediocre to the exceptional that is your right but again, objectively, the Wii is a third tier system with a third tier library.

Last-Resort

Your logic is non-existent.

Nintendo didn't release the Wii in 2000 as a competitor for the PS2.

They released the Wii alongside the XB360 and PS3 and thus all three consoles are logically compared and contrasted accordingly.

Also, reviewers tended to rate Wii software on its own merits, otherwise no Wii game would have scored higher than a 5 in graphics.

Those games were scored based on their merits as Wii games, though I do find it amusing that you concede that most Wii software could not hold up to scrutiny when compared to HD system offerings.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] When you know nothing about their libaries you should not bring up the 3DO Jag or Neo-Geo, which the Neo-Geo is highly regarded with the top quality games of the 4th gen, it was only expensive, calling it and the 3DO, and Jag bad consoles means you're an idiot.Last-Resort

The 3DO had a few good games (Road Rash, Need for Speed, a couple PC ports) but not enough to make it worth the astronomical asking price. The Jaguar was a just a piece of ****. If you're incapable of realizing that, I both pity and envy you. Pity you because of your obviously diminsihed mental capacity. Envy you because unlike normal people who are burdened by standards, you can play any piece of garbage and enjoy it.

I was there when both consoles launched and neither was worth a purchase.

The Jaguar controller alone made the system a joke and the 3DO was 700 dollars and got effectively blown out of the water in terms of power by the 300 dollar PS1 a short time later.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] Most of the games listed are garbage compared to their bigger brother console counterparts. Castlevania Judgement..... or Castlevania Lord Of Shadows (still my vote for best graphics of all time) The Conduit..... or every other modern FPS ever. Mortal Kombat Armageddon..... or Mortal Kombat Reboot (best fighting game since Street Fighter IV reboot) Star Wars The Force Unleased..... or Star Wars The Force Unleashed (without sh!t controls and passable graphics) Scarface and Bully are last gen games, and Scarface was pretty ass to begin with. Then there's a lot of assy games on there like Sonic Colors, Endless Ocean, Sonic And Sega All Star Racing, Real Heroes Firefighter, Rygar. Ass, ass, ass, ass and more ass. There are some great games on the Wii but they are all made by Nintendo. The Wii has an even worse game library than the gamecube did, which is impressive. A few stand out great titles in a sea of sh!t with all the third party support on the other consoles.Grammaton-Cleric

Your logic is non-existent.

Nintendo didn't release the Wii in 2000 as a competitor for the PS2.

They released the Wii alongside the XB360 and PS3 and thus all three consoles are logically compared and contrasted accordingly.

Also, reviewers tended to rate Wii software on its own merits, otherwise no Wii game would have scored higher than a 5 in graphics.

Those games were scored based on their merits as Wii games, though I do find it amusing that you concede that most Wii software could not hold up to scrutiny when compared to HD system offerings.

Oh hey, it's that guy who thinks he is the decider of what constitutes objective quality in a freaking artistic medium. Citing review scores and acting like a System Warrior. Such a shame to see. That post is so full of closed-minded arrogance and pompous presumptions that it isn't even worth dissecting.famicommander

As I've stated many times, having an opinion doesn't shield your from criticism.

And when that opinion is bombastic you'd better have the evidence or rationale to back it up.

Also, there is plenty of room for objectivism in any discussion of an artistic medium, especially one rooted in technologies that often have a direct effect over what is rendered on screen.

Instead of hurling personal attacks you might try actually formulating a cogent counter-point for the sake of a healthy debate.

There's no point in getting angry at me merely because you didn't bother to shore up your own argument. If you disagree, defend your position.

It's really that simple.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

The 3DO had a few good games (Road Rash, Need for Speed, a couple PC ports) but not enough to make it worth the astronomical asking price. The Jaguar was a just a piece of ****. If you're incapable of realizing that, I both pity and envy you. Pity you because of your obviously diminsihed mental capacity. Envy you because unlike normal people who are burdened by standards, you can play any piece of garbage and enjoy it.

Grammaton-Cleric

I was there when both consoles launched and neither was worth a purchase.

The Jaguar controller alone made the system a joke and the 3DO was 700 dollars and got effectively blown out of the water in terms of power by the 300 dollar PS1 a short time later.

[QUOTE="famicommander"]I have had all three consoles for years now and I believe without question that the Wii has a better library. So many hidden gems like Little King's Story, Zack and Wiki, Fragile Dreams, Blastworks, Castle of Shikigami III, Ivy the Kiwi, Deadly Creatures, Fishing Resort, Mercury Meltdown Revolution, Muramasa, Lost in Shadow, Red Steel 2, Rune Factory, MadWorld, A Boy and His Blob, and so many others... I think the Wii really hits the sweet spot between "full fledged HD console title with expensive development costs" and "download-only title with not enough content to sell for full price". The Wii is much cheaper to make games for and as a result I believe developers are more eager to take risks on full-fledged experiences. Grammaton-Cleric

I don't understand how anyone can claim that the Wii has a superior library when objectively looking at the evidence.

Even if you subscribe to the notion that the Wii actually enjoyed a healthy smattering of software (something your paltry list actually negates) there is no denying that in terms of genre and variety the Wii is tremendously handicapped when compared to the HD consoles.

Let's take a look at some of the genres:

Fighting – The Wii enjoyed maybe two or three viable fighters IF you include Smash Bros. And it lacked the online infrastructure to make the competitive multiplayer (which is the crux of the genre) anything more than an afterthought. By contrast, the HD systems saw, among others: Blazblue, MK9, Soul Caliber 4 and 5, Tekken 6, Virtua Fighter 5, (Final Tuned comes this summer) DOA 4 (and 5) Street Fighter IV, Third Strike and Turbo Re-mastered, SFXTekken, and Marvel Vs. Capcom 3,.

And those are just off the top of my head.

Shooters – Yeah…good luck with that on the Wii. Probably the best shooter on the console was the excellent Red Steel 2 and it wasn't even a dedicated shooter.

Racers – The Wii got Mario Kart…again. The HD systems got a new Grand Turismo, Forza, a new Burnout, Need for Speed, Split Second, Wipeout HD, Dirt, Pure …and the list goes on.

Platformers – Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 were excellent. Donkey Kong Country and some other entries were also very good. Overall it is probably the best-represented genre on the system and arguably the only genre where the console can compete head-on with the HD systems.

RPGs – No contest, the Wii loses hands down in terms of volume and variety. Hell, even the recent release of Xenoblade has been effectively matched (if not outright surpassed) by the release of the Witcher 2 next week on the XB360.

I could go on but the point is clear and definitive: The HD consoles clearly have more variety by genre than the Wii and offer a much broader experience.

Even more interesting is that not only are there far more games being released on the HD consoles but those games on average carry far higher meta scores than what is being released on the Wii.

Quality over quantity only works when what is being released is actually good. The Wii, like every other Nintendo console since the N64, enjoys a few high-profile releases (most of them first party) each year while just about everything else is shovel-ware sludge.

As to the notion that the Wii is some sort of platform for innovation, that argument is circa 2006 when people still thought the pitiful processing power of the console coupled with the (supposedly innovative) motion controls were going to ignite developers to innovate.

Then a sheet of ice water known as reality came pouring down from the heavens and these same people learned that processing power is necessary for certain innovations to be implemented and that perhaps making a console less powerful than the XB1 was, in retrospect, a short-sighted move.

The reality is that most high-end developers abandoned the Wii once they realized it was little more than a PS2 with waggle controls. Those who generously stayed on board and tried to make decent third party games (Red Steel, No More Heroes, Mad World) would eventually see their efforts eclipsed by Nintendo's first party titles and the proliferation of cheap games purchased en masse by a casual public uninterested in anything but the novelty of motion control.

And really, how do you make the erroneous leap that the Wii has the more innovative and divergent software?

Both PSN and XBLA enjoy libraries better than the entirety of the Wii console and both services have games far more innovative and divergent than anything seen on Nintendo's little white box. Games like Braid, Limbo, From Dust, Fez, I Am Alive, Journey, Super Meat Boy and so many more represent the apex of innovation while the Wii currently sits there waiting to die as its successor is prepared.

If you prefer the mediocre to the exceptional that is your right but again, objectively, the Wii is a third tier system with a third tier library.

You are quoting the wrong quote and the wrong person.Last-Resort

Actually, your quote is in there but there was some manner of glitch.

Feel free to address what I wrote.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] When you know nothing about their libaries you should not bring up the 3DO Jag or Neo-Geo, which the Neo-Geo is highly regarded with the top quality games of the 4th gen, it was only expensive, calling it and the 3DO, and Jag bad consoles means you're an idiot.Last-Resort

The 3DO had a few good games (Road Rash, Need for Speed, a couple PC ports) but not enough to make it worth the astronomical asking price. The Jaguar was a just a piece of ****. If you're incapable of realizing that, I both pity and envy you. Pity you because of your obviously diminsihed mental capacity. Envy you because unlike normal people who are burdened by standards, you can play any piece of garbage and enjoy it.

Your level of reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. I stated the 3DO had some good games (though nowhere near enough to justify the asking price and far fewer games than any console competitor not named the Jaguar) so why you are naming one of its handful of quality titles (though Lucienne's Quest was nowhere near the league of the best 16 bit jrpgs such as Chrono Trigger, FF6 or Shining in the Darkness) is beyond me.

What are these good Jaguar games you speak of? No Jaguar game exceeded the level of mediocre (very few reached that high).

My younger brother had both systems and did his level best to squeeze enjoyment from them, so I am very familiar with the libraries of both systems.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] You now nothing about the Jag or 3DO's library do you? That thing even had good Jrpgs on it (3DO) and many quality games. If the games were cheap than the system price of the 3DO would have been worth it. Most people who review the Jag only review the launch games, or review the cheapest game son the system. The Jaguar has enough games that are goo to warrant a purchase. it just barely had games. THe Jaguar CD ws garbage. The Jaguar was decent.Last-Resort

I was there when both consoles launched and neither was worth a purchase.

The Jaguar controller alone made the system a joke and the 3DO was 700 dollars and got effectively blown out of the water in terms of power by the 300 dollar PS1 a short time later.

I played the Jaguar extensively.

It was a very weak console in terms of games and the system was effectively dead at retail less than a year after launch.

I'd buy the thing for ten bucks along with some games at a garage sale. Maybe.

That is the extent of that console's value.

But by all means, list the games you think made it a good system.

Chances are I've played most of them.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

The 3DO had a few good games (Road Rash, Need for Speed, a couple PC ports) but not enough to make it worth the astronomical asking price. The Jaguar was a just a piece of ****. If you're incapable of realizing that, I both pity and envy you. Pity you because of your obviously diminsihed mental capacity. Envy you because unlike normal people who are burdened by standards, you can play any piece of garbage and enjoy it.

CarnageHeart

Your level of reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. I stated the 3DO had some good games (though nowhere near enough to justify the asking price and far fewer games than any console competitor not named the Jaguar) so why you are naming one of its handful of quality titles (though Lucienne's Quest was nowhere near the league of the best 16 bit jrpgs such as Chrono Trigger, FF6 or Shining in the Darkness) is beyond me.

What are these good Jaguar games you speak of? No Jaguar game exceeded the level of mediocre (very few reached that high).

My younger brother had both systems and did his level best to squeeze enjoyment from them, so I am very familiar with the libraries of both systems.

It's a waste of potential: what it's doing now, nearly 6 years after release, with the Wii Motion Plus? That's what the console should have been doing right off the bat. Instead it spent 6 years making people waggle their wrists and point a remote at the screen while staring at blurry, jagged graphics. Skyward Sword was amazing, truly revolutionary controls and I loved every minute of it, first time in years I had fun with the Wii. To little too late Nintendo.Black_Knight_00

Somewhat agree with this user.

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

I was there when both consoles launched and neither was worth a purchase.

The Jaguar controller alone made the system a joke and the 3DO was 700 dollars and got effectively blown out of the water in terms of power by the 300 dollar PS1 a short time later.

Grammaton-Cleric

I played the Jaguar extensively.

It was a very weak console in terms of games and the system was effectively dead at retail less than a year after launch.

I'd buy the thing for ten bucks along with some games at a garage sale. Maybe.

That is the extent of that console's value.

But by all means, list the games you think made it a good system.

Chances are I've played most of them.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] If the games and acessories weren't as overpriced as the console it could have done way better. Especially after the price drop. but that didn't happen. Excluding the console price it had the games. As for the Jag, it's launch was terrible and that's what the majority of people base its quality on, as a whole it's decent. Especially at the price it was at when it was about to die.Last-Resort

I played the Jaguar extensively.

It was a very weak console in terms of games and the system was effectively dead at retail less than a year after launch.

I'd buy the thing for ten bucks along with some games at a garage sale. Maybe.

That is the extent of that console's value.

But by all means, list the games you think made it a good system.

Chances are I've played most of them.

None of those games were highly profiled by a lot of the gaming magazines, critics, or fans. The Jaguar didn't last very long. It wasn't a popular system when compared to other gaming machines that were out at the time.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] You now nothing about the Jag or 3DO's library do you? That thing even had good Jrpgs on it (3DO) and many quality games. If the games were cheap than the system price of the 3DO would have been worth it. Most people who review the Jag only review the launch games, or review the cheapest game son the system. The Jaguar has enough games that are goo to warrant a purchase. it just barely had games. THe Jaguar CD ws garbage. The Jaguar was decent.Last-Resort

Your level of reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. I stated the 3DO had some good games (though nowhere near enough to justify the asking price and far fewer games than any console competitor not named the Jaguar) so why you are naming one of its handful of quality titles (though Lucienne's Quest was nowhere near the league of the best 16 bit jrpgs such as Chrono Trigger, FF6 or Shining in the Darkness) is beyond me.

What are these good Jaguar games you speak of? No Jaguar game exceeded the level of mediocre (very few reached that high).

My younger brother had both systems and did his level best to squeeze enjoyment from them, so I am very familiar with the libraries of both systems.

You didn't address my point on price. You said 'If the games were cheap the system would have been worth it' but the problem I had with the 3DO wasn't its game prices (they were the same as those of the Genesis and SNES) but its hardware price.

The only consoles in (US) console history whose game prices were a problem were the Neogeo and the N64 (65 and up for game prices was a big problem when the PS1 was selling all games, including massive games like Gran Turismo and FF7 for 50).

This is the problem though. The games are being rated low based on this unfair comparison. If you compare these games to the PS2, they would all be rated higher because that's what the majority of Wii games were targeting with few exceptions. Also, I am not saying the Wii is my preferred system, some people seem to think that based on the topic.Last-Resort

[QUOTE="Last-Resort"] This is the problem though. The games are being rated low based on this unfair comparison. If you compare these games to the PS2, they would all be rated higher because that's what the majority of Wii games were targeting with few exceptions. Also, I am not saying the Wii is my preferred system, some people seem to think that based on the topic.GodModeEnabled

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"][QUOTE="Last-Resort"] This is the problem though. The games are being rated low based on this unfair comparison. If you compare these games to the PS2, they would all be rated higher because that's what the majority of Wii games were targeting with few exceptions. Also, I am not saying the Wii is my preferred system, some people seem to think that based on the topic.Last-Resort

Lol.

Is that why the Wii sold so much more than it's competitors?

To me, the Wii's only shortfalls were the graphics and the lack of third-party support. The system has great exclusives.

Worst console I have owned.

I had Wii 1 year, and it collected dust about 6 months of that time. Wii was novelty for me.