Today is "Sega Saturn Day"

What failed it in the long run is the lack of strong 3rd-party support and software. I loved my Saturn back in the day (got it as a gift), but I gotta admit the most fun I had with it was with a couple of 2D fighters, sports games, Sonic 3D Blast, Myst and Megaman X4. I'll admit I'm 80% fond of my time with it back in the day thanks solely to X4. To me Saturn = X4. This goes to show the catalog of games it got for its Western release as a whole. The first Playstation on the other hand I can't count the number of epic gaming experiences I had with it. I've lost count.

What failed it in the long run is the lack of strong 3rd-party support and software. I loved my Saturn back in the day (got it as a gift), but I gotta admit the most fun I had with it was with a couple of 2D fighters, sports games, Sonic 3D Blast, Myst and Megaman X4. I'll admit I'm 80% fond of my time with it back in the day thanks solely to X4. To me Saturn = X4. This goes to show the catalog of games it got for its Western release as a whole. The first Playstation on the other hand I can't count the number of epic gaming experiences I had with it. I've lost count.

Aero5555

you do understand you basically missed out the vast majority of good western Saturn games?Darkman2007

Here's my collection (which I still own):

Myst

Sega Worldwide Soccer

Sega Worldwide Soccer '98

Virtua Cop 2

Clockwork Knight

Megaman X4

WWF In Your House

Die Hard Aracde

Daytona USA

Bug!

Virtua Fighter (packed in)

I played (or borrowed for a couple months):

Panzer Dragoon

Street Fighter Alpha

X-Men: Children Of The Atom

Sonic 3D Blast

Tomb Raider (have despised the TR series ever since, horrible and boring)

The AAA titles I missed were:

Clockwork Knight 2

Nights Into Dreams

Enemy Zero

Burning Rangers

Panzer Dragoon RPG (or did it not get a Western release)

That RTS RPG by GameArts

Those are what I can recall from the top of my head which I missed out on. Please let me know any other good titles (not Tetris puzzle-based) which I missed other than those. When I take what's stated above and compare it to my Playstation experience the Saturn gets taken to school.

EDIT: Nobody said anything about its games being bad. It's all about the catalog and the number of games a Western gamer had in his Saturn's disposal.

well , rather then me posting the same list over and over , give me a bit of time, and I will simply post pics of my entire collection , people can use that as a guide and ask any questions if they need to

well first off , the European PAL games (ie , the ones that are native to where I live, and thus easiest to get for the most part)

shown here are the only 2 US Saturn games I have, the reason I own so few is that almost every game released in the US for the Saturn , was also released here, so no point in the US versions, also US Saturn boxes are awful, some of the worse game boxes Ive seen

Are these enough games?

and most of these were not expensive, nor were they hard to find (the majority of them can be found on that magical place known as the internet), so anybody who claims Saturn games are all expensive/hard to find/rare or some other claim like that can look at this, because it proves those bogus claims wrong.

and by not expensive, I don't mean you can get these at 2 for a pound, but its not like they cost an arm and a leg (the majority of them actually cost no more then £10-15 at most)

oh and the majority of them are not 1st party either :P

It gave me Dragon Force...but not too much else that I could not get somewhere elserawsavon

the majority of these are exclusive to the Saturn , or if they aren't , the Saturn is the better version or at least as good, as any comparable console version at the time (usually this means PS1, though a few N64 ports exist too) (with the exception of Tomb Raider and Fifa98, as well as Castlevania SOTN)

as for some of the Neo Geo ports, the Saturn versions are better then any other save for the Neo Geo originals, but usually the Saturn versions are cheaper, and have alot less loading then the Neo CD versions.

and sure some of them are on compilations, but thats besides the point, there are compilations of alot of arcade games......and people still like to play the original console ports (if this was the case, people wouldnt bother playing their Mega Drives, due to all the compilations.)

so yeah , that claim of yours was bogus too :P

what youve shown is that you didn't look at the pictures, if you did, you would have seen exactly what I said.

its very interesting why people will avoid Saturn games, first they claimed they were worse then the PS versions, so I proved its not as simple as that, then they claim Saturn games are expensive, something I again proved was bogus.

now its just a matter of "if its on another system , there is no point in buying it".

I assume there is no point in getting any of the best games on Super Nintendo because they are on other systems, primarily the GBA in the case of the Nintendo/Rare games.

or how about the Mega Drive's best games, many of which are on one of the many compilations avaiable for a variety of systems.

but of course this kind of ignorance only applies to the Saturn.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]It gave me Dragon Force...but not too much else that I could not get somewhere elseDarkman2007

so yeah , that claim of yours was bogus too :P

For what YOU want from a system, maybe.
For what I want from a system, no

I looked at your pics and was not interested in what it/they had to offer
-I bought the version that came with virtua cop, daytona, and virtua fighter...all those were meh
-I owned the horde on 3DO
-Albert Odyssey sucked ass IMO
-Lunar 1/2 were best on PS1 IMO (story/events/extras)
-had Grandia on PS1 (do not care about graphics for an RPG)
-do not like Tomb Raider

...so the Saturn had one great game I loved (Dragon Force)...everything else was either 'meh' or I was able to play on another system
(unless I am missing something that I could only have played on a US Saturn)

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]It gave me Dragon Force...but not too much else that I could not get somewhere elserawsavon

so yeah , that claim of yours was bogus too :P

For what YOU want from a system, maybe.
For what I want from a system, no

I looked at your pics and was not interested in what it/they had to offer
-I bought the version that came with virtua cop, daytona, and virtua fighter...all those were meh
-I owned the horde on 3DO
-Albert Odyssey sucked ass IMO
-Lunar 1/2 were best on PS1 IMO (story/events/extras)
-had Grandia on PS1 (do not care about graphics for an RPG)
-do not like Tomb Raider

...so the Saturn had one great game I loved (Dragon Force)...everything else was either 'meh' or I was able to play on another system
(unless I am missing something that I could only have played on a US Saturn)

the horde?? I don't have that game :P

there is a difference between "this system is not for me" and "I can get the games elsewhere".

getting the games elsewhere for the sake of it is biased , saying the system is not for you is something else entirely.

though think of it this way, youve basically labeled a few games out of the whole list, and just because you can play it on another system , doesnt mean its better.

so yeah, youre still ignoring most of the games, but if you feel the system is not for you , thats a completely different thing then not playing the games on the system just for the sake of it.

thats the thing you never said that.

MY EXACT QUOTE
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]It gave me Dragon Force...but not too much else that I could not get somewhere elseDarkman2007

what you said was that Dragon force was the only game worth buying ,

That is not what I said...see above
Only 1 game worth buying (not what I said) =/= I could getgames for another system (what I did say). There were games worth guying if you could not get them for another system

and every other game is on another system. there is a big difference between saying a system isnt for you, and that there is no point in buying a system because you can get some of its games on other systems. so what you meant is different from what you wrote, its as simple as that

I stated what I wanted to sate perfectly and clearly. It is not my fault that the statement was not interpreted properly or that someone else made and assumption that was not correct

I said it only gave me 1 game and little else that could not be obtained for another system...that is 100% true

I don't understand what you don't understand :?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

thats the thing you never said that.

MY EXACT QUOTE
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]It gave me Dragon Force...but not too much else that I could not get somewhere elserawsavon

what you said was that Dragon force was the only game worth buying ,

That is not what I said...see above
Only 1 game worth buying (not what I said) =/= I could getgames for another system (what I did say). There were games worth guying if you could not get them for another system

and every other game is on another system. there is a big difference between saying a system isnt for you, and that there is no point in buying a system because you can get some of its games on other systems. so what you meant is different from what you wrote, its as simple as that

I stated what I wanted to sate perfectly and clearly. It is not my fault that the statement was not interpreted properly or that someone else made and assumption that was not correct

I said it only gave me 1 game and little else that could not be obtained for another system...that is 100% true

I don't understand what you don't understand :?

well somewhere down the line someone messed up , either me or you :P

we shall agree to disagree then. but note, I would never tell someone they are wrong if they feel the Saturn (or any system) is not for them if they know the library decently.

what i got from your statement is "no point in getting it, since 1 game is worth getting and the rest are on PS1" , that confused me

if that was not your intention one of us failed in explaining ourselves , though on a side note, Im sure there is more then one game that would appeal to you, I own nearly 80 Saturn games, but there are over 500, so this is not full by far.

though on a side note, Im sure there is more then one game that would appeal to you, I own nearly 80 Saturn games, but there are over 500, so this is not full by far.

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

so yeah , that claim of yours was bogus too :PDarkman2007

For what YOU want from a system, maybe.
For what I want from a system, no

I looked at your pics and was not interested in what it/they had to offer
-I bought the version that came with virtua cop, daytona, and virtua fighter...all those were meh
-I owned the horde on 3DO
-Albert Odyssey sucked ass IMO
-Lunar 1/2 were best on PS1 IMO (story/events/extras)
-had Grandia on PS1 (do not care about graphics for an RPG)
-do not like Tomb Raider

...so the Saturn had one great game I loved (Dragon Force)...everything else was either 'meh' or I was able to play on another system
(unless I am missing something that I could only have played on a US Saturn)

the horde?? I don't have that game :P

there is a difference between "this system is not for me" and "I can get the games elsewhere".

getting the games elsewhere for the sake of it is biased , saying the system is not for you is something else entirely.

though think of it this way, youve basically labeled a few games out of the whole list, and just because you can play it on another system , doesnt mean its better.

so yeah, youre still ignoring most of the games, but if you feel the system is not for you , thats a completely different thing then not playing the games on the system just for the sake of it.

trust me man virtua cop with a gun, or better 2 guns! is still as fun me and a friend of mine played it again this past weekend we popped in virtua cop 1/2(better), house of the dead and also played the dreamcast lightgun games it is incredibly fun. I always prefer virtua cop to house of the death though.

trust me man virtua cop with a gun, or better 2 guns! is still as fun me and a friend of mine played it again this past weekend we popped in virtua cop 1/2(better), house of the dead and also played the dreamcast lightgun games it is incredibly fun. I always prefer virtua cop to house of the death though.

bultje112

I recently got Virtua Cop 1, House of the Dead and a light gun, those games are still a lot of fun to play. Now I don't have to waste money on arcades anymore.:P

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

trust me man virtua cop with a gun, or better 2 guns! is still as fun me and a friend of mine played it again this past weekend we popped in virtua cop 1/2(better), house of the dead and also played the dreamcast lightgun games it is incredibly fun. I always prefer virtua cop to house of the death though.

M3tr4nk0

I recently got Virtua Cop 1, House of the Dead and a light gun, those games are still a lot of fun to play. Now I don't have to waste money on arcades anymore.:P

The Saturn is one of my favorite systems or all time, only the SNES holds a higher place in my heart!

At the time of the saturn launch, I was amazed that the 3D games like Daytona, Virtua Fighter, etc in the arcades could be played on a home console.

I could make a huge list of Saturn games that were top favorites of mine, but at the end of the day, I felt the saturn excelled at 2D and 3D fighters. The fighter genre has always been my favorite and the racing genre has been my 2nd favorite, and the Saturn offered a bunch of great/elite games in both those genres.

While I think the high price may have been a factor initially at launch, I think the "surprise" release had contributed more to its slow launch. I don't think either of those things doomed the system in the long term.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]It gave me Dragon Force...but not too much else that I could not get somewhere elserawsavon

so yeah , that claim of yours was bogus too :P

For what YOU want from a system, maybe.

For what I want from a system, no

Till this day i dont understand why the saturn failed. it had a decent collection of games. i loved my saturn. but tragically mine died some years back RIP.

Till this day i dont understand why the saturn failed. it had a decent collection of games. i loved my saturn. but tragically mine died some years back RIP.

helwa1988

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

so yeah , that claim of yours was bogus too :Ppills4louis

For what YOU want from a system, maybe.

For what I want from a system, no

Never got my hands on a copy of PDS. Not willing to pay what they were asking either

Im not sure why alot of people seem to put som much emphesis on the Saturn's launch , which admittedly was lousy.

the price didn't stay high forever, it was lowered eventually and besides, the launch isnt a deciding factor.

if the launch meant anything, the Dreamcast would have been a massive success, and the PS3 would have been a miserable failure.

there are other , considerably more important reasons as to why the Saturn didn't achieve its full retail potential in the west, and I could list them , but people seem more concerned with putting the facts into neat little boxes they can understand, rather then the actual truth. (and this goes for the any aspect of history)

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

Im not sure why alot of people seem to put som much emphesis on the Saturn's launch , which admittedly was lousy.

the price didn't stay high forever, it was lowered eventually and besides, the launch isnt a deciding factor.

if the launch meant anything, the Dreamcast would have been a massive success, and the PS3 would have been a miserable failure.

there are other , considerably more important reasons as to why the Saturn didn't achieve its full retail potential in the west, and I could list them , but people seem more concerned with putting the facts into neat little boxes they can understand, rather then the actual truth. (and this goes for the any aspect of history)

Tony-Baxter

They wanted a jump on the competition and that particular launch was important cause it was pivotal that Sony NOT suceed from Segas viewpoint.

also, youre only focusing on the US market, in Japan it was launched the same time as the PS1, and it was still outsold, though it did significantly better in Japan then in other regions.

Darkman how does Zero Divide on the Saturn compare to the earlier PS1 games? I've only seen two mentions of it online and both times the writers seemed to think that the series got weaker as it went along, but this seems unlikely to me (The Saturn game at least looks clearly better graphically in videos)

Darkman how does Zero Divide on the Saturn compare to the earlier PS1 games? I've only seen two mentions of it online and both times the writers seemed to think that the series got weaker as it went along, but this seems unlikely to me (The Saturn game at least looks clearly better graphically in videos)

Domino_slayer

No, I played and hated Albert Odyssey. One of the worst JRPG's I have ever played TBHrawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]No, I played and hated Albert Odyssey. One of the worst JRPG's I have ever played TBHpills4louis

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]No, I played and hated Albert Odyssey. One of the worst JRPG's I have ever played TBHpills4louis

Albert Odyssey = bad/bland characters, boring story, linear, easy...nothing of note + a case of 'did not give a f***' about any character or anything that happened to them

PDS might be worth the money, but I have over 100 games I have yet to even open at this point. That means I am not shelling out that kind of money on an old game (when I have so much other stuff to play)

[QUOTE="pills4louis"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]No, I played and hated Albert Odyssey. One of the worst JRPG's I have ever played TBHrawsavon

Albert Odyssey = bad/bland characters, boring story, linear, easy...nothing of note + a case of 'did not give a f***' about any character or anything that happened to them

PDS might be worth the money, but I have over 100 games I have yet to even open at this point. That means I am not shelling out that kind of money on an old game (when I have so much other stuff to play)

out of curiosity, why have you got 100 games you have yet to open? no time I assume?

out of curiosity, why have you got 100 games you have yet to open? no time I assume?

Darkman2007

1. I have issues...

With that said:
Wwhen I was young, I had the time but no money = played games over and over, did every side quest, etc...beat the s*** out of them.
Now that I am old, I have the money but no time. I can afford to buy w/e games I want to, and I do. So I have over 100 new, sealed games that need to be played.

Why do I keep buying?...see number 1.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]out of curiosity, why have you got 100 games you have yet to open? no time I assume?

rawsavon

1. I have issues...

With that said:
Wwhen I was young, I had the time but no money = played games over and over, did every side quest, etc...beat the s*** out of them.
Now that I am old, I have the money but no time. I can afford to buy w/e games I want to, and I do. So I have over 100 new, sealed games that need to be played.

Why do I keep buying?...see number 1.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]out of curiosity, why have you got 100 games you have yet to open? no time I assume?

rawsavon

1. I have issues...

With that said:
Wwhen I was young, I had the time but no money = played games over and over, did every side quest, etc...beat the s*** out of them.
Now that I am old, I have the money but no time. I can afford to buy w/e games I want to, and I do. So I have over 100 new, sealed games that need to be played.

Why do I keep buying?...see number 1.

I was like that, when I was younger, I either had to get my grandparents to buy me games, or trade in old games for new ones.

now I have more money , but less time.

though my game playing time is mixed, on some days its an hour, on some days its none.

I can't resist a good deal and impulse buying is a big problem for me.

DavidianMH

LOL

[QUOTE="DavidianMH"]I can't resist a good deal and impulse buying is a big problem for me.

rawsavon

LOL

I don't even have enough HDD space to fit of the games I've bought recently.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="DavidianMH"]I can't resist a good deal and impulse buying is a big problem for me.

DavidianMH

LOL

I don't even have enough HDD space to fit of the games I've bought recently.

Ebay has some great deals if youre willing to look.

[QUOTE="DavidianMH"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Amazon 'deal' of the day and pre-order bonuses
...they sure save me lot of money :roll:

LOL

Darkman2007

I don't even have enough HDD space to fit of the games I've bought recently.

Ebay has some great deals if youre willing to look.

Nah, I'm going to stop buying games for a while and start concentrating on finishing the ones I've already got.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="DavidianMH"] Don't even get me started on Steam deals. :lol:

I don't even have enough HDD space to fit of the games I've bought recently.

DavidianMH

Ebay has some great deals if youre willing to look.

Nah, I'm going to stop buying games for a while and start concentrating on finishing the ones I've already got.

[QUOTE="DavidianMH"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

Ebay has some great deals if youre willing to look.

Darkman2007

Nah, I'm going to stop buying games for a while and start concentrating on finishing the ones I've already got.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]out of curiosity, why have you got 100 games you have yet to open? no time I assume?

DavidianMH

1. I have issues...

With that said:
Wwhen I was young, I had the time but no money = played games over and over, did every side quest, etc...beat the s*** out of them.
Now that I am old, I have the money but no time. I can afford to buy w/e games I want to, and I do. So I have over 100 new, sealed games that need to be played.

Why do I keep buying?...see number 1.