Ubisoft helps the environment: no more instructions manuals, recycled cases

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#1 Black_Knight_00
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http://kotaku.com/5520261/ubisoft-does-away-with-tree+killing-instruction-manuals

Ubisoft declares they will stop including game manuals in their game releases, in their place there will be extensive (skippable) in-game instructions. Also, they have developed a new DVD case made of 100% recycled materials. If you own the PC version of Splinter Cell Conviction you are already holding one of these eco-cases.

They report that one ton of paper used to make instruction manuals equals to 13 trees, 13.000 gallons of waste water and 6.000 pounds of carbon dioxide released in the atmosphere. Now multiply that a few dozen times and you get the full picture of how much those booklets alone cost in terms of pollution.

I like where this is going. I mean, ok... it's a pity we won't get manuals anymore (although I personally never read them) and yes, UBI will ALSO save a lot of money this way, but it's nice to see someone launching a message to the industry. The next step I guess is digital delivery, although it would make me sad not to have hard copies anymore.

What do you think of this move?

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I don't even understand what's the purpose of a game manual anyway. It's not like I need to assemble a bicycle of something.

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#3 TacticalDesire
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I think overall this is a good move although I'm with you I really enjoy having the hard copy of the game not just as a back up, but I think there is a part of most humans that wants to physically own something. I don't see myself missing the game manuals to much except in a few rare instances where there were some nice pictures of the game or other cool cover art on it.

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#4 Dudewrsmygame
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That's pretty nice, everybody should do it, besides it's not like you aren't using recycled items, besides i really don't use game manuals, i will barely notice the change.

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#5 BuryMe
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I don't really think this is an environmental move. It's jsut a cost sutting measure.

And I don't like it. I find the manual much more useful and readable than instructions on the TV screen.

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#6 IcyToasters
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Seems like a good idea. I only read game manuals if I notice it has some story background or extra information. Nothing I can't google though.

They better not change to digital distribution though :x (I still like to have physical music CDs!)

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#7 ModeDude
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To be honest, although I like reading manuals, especially ones which have been designed well, I think getting rid of them and replacing them with instructions is a good idea. Though I do think we still need to have some form of hard copy with games, I like to collect them and I enjoy seeing how many games I have. I can also fit more games in a cupboard than I can on my hard-drive.
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#8 QuistisTrepe_
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This is no more about helping the environment than their DRM scheme is about customer service.

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Couldn't care less.

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#10 Greyfeld
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This is no more about helping the environment than their DRM scheme is about customer service.

QuistisTrepe_
i agree, i think this is about cutting production costs. And honestly, you'd think that somebody would have come up with a synthetic paper substitute by now.
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#11 Senor_Kami
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I don't think Ubisoft makes RPGs and those are the only games I read manuals for. Most games have a tutorial for the first level anyways.

And honestly, you'd think that somebody would have come up with a synthetic paper substitute by now.Greyfeld

*Looks at a forum where people are writing stuff but not using paper, pencil or ink*

This substitute that you desire exist.

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#12 koospetoors
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Don't forget to remove the DRM along with the booklets! I wonder what amazingly wonderful thing they will think of next, kryptonite DVD cases maybe?
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#13 DraugenCP
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A good instruction manual really compliments a game as a package. Like, take the old NES manuals that contained tons of extra info on enemies, and trivia. Or the Grand Theft Auto manuals that are usually designed like a parody on a tourist guide. It's a shame to see that developers keep investing less and less time into instruction manuals to a point where they just ditch them altogether. I don't know about the rest, but when I buy a video game, I don't just buy the content on the disc, but also a nice box to put into my collection, and an instruction manual that contains some fun, in-depth information on the game.

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#14 Flamecommando
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Most games these days already fail on instruction manuals. Love them when they are longer than 3 pages. (Halo 2 and Gears 2 great manuals)

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#15 GazaAli
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But game manuals are flashy :|
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Oh crap. I'll never buy a game without a manual.

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I don't even understand what's the purpose of a game manual anyway. It's not like I need to assemble a bicycle of something.UpInFlames
A lot of them provide backstory to the events of the game. Information on the personalities of the characters involved, information on the events leading up to the current situation. I love the manuals. For a game to be complete on my shelf it must have its manual. And I read them for every game that I play.
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#18 TacticalDesire
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Manuals are so weak now as it is though I mean half of the manuals are just so thin its not even funny, so I don't even bother looking at them anymore.

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Oh man what a bummer. I love having manuals with my games, they make them feel more complete. I also just really enjoy reading and looking through them especially the thicker and colourful ones. On the other hand I can see how this would be more beneficial to the environment and in this day and age that is something that is really needed.
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#20 SteelAttack
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This was bound to happen. Gone are the days of lush, thick manuals coming with your games. I weep for all of us (who cared about manuals).
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#21 albatrossdrums
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I like the sentiment, but I notice this announcement is not accompanied with any mention of lowering their retail prices to reflect the savings gained from going "green." Honestly it seems more like a way to justify jettisoning them so they save money. To me, a game should come with some kind of manual - we don't exactly get a lot from a basic retail purchase of a console game these days except for a disc, a plastic sleeve and a booklet. If going green is such a concern, it seems like a rather insignificant (but convenient for Ubisoft) place to start. I bet that at Ubisoft's offices in general and via their advertising they consume more paper than they do printing booklets. The only difference here is the customer loses.
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#22 Black_Knight_00
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I bet that at Ubisoft's offices in general and via their advertising they consume more paper than they do printing booklets.albatrossdrums
You gotta start somewhere. They started with booklets. Anyways, I can understand what many of you have said, that they are doing this only to save money and they paint a big smile on it with the 'green' factor, and if it hadn't been Ubisoft (which is my favorite company) I would have probably said the same. Still, if no company has done this before it must mean the money they'll save is not as much as we think, because if this was the case we'd already have been without manuals a long time ago.
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Yeah, i've heard this news. It's the good news for our earth.
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#24 ASK_Story
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Game manuals bring me back to my childhood. I used to love game manuals, especially if they're in color and has all that artwork in it. Plus it has those extra notepads at the end for codes, notes, etc.! I still like manuals, only if they're in color. If they're in black and white, than I don't care about them. Ubisoft manuals are always B&W so don't need them. FFXIII's manual and all of the Nintendo games have awesome colorful manuals, which I like! Ultimately it doesn't matter. I never use them to learn how to play the game.
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I don't like this idea and I hope it doesn't domino out of control. No matter how thin a game manual is, I always read them and I like seeing them alongside the game in the case. Then you get the manuals in color, which are great and usually if the company invests in color manuals, they have some worthwhile stuff in them too. II have Splinter Cell Conviction and even though the manual is black and white and thin, it has basics on the characters and modes and whatnot. That sort of thing is always interesting and useful. While I understand how it will help cut costs and help the environment, I don't much approve of the idea. This won't stop me from buying another Splinter Cell though. :D
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#26 Cube_of_MooN
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Game manuals have always been pretty useless anyway. The unskippable in-game tutorials usually show you what you need to know, even if you already know what to do.
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#27 deactivated-5bb421ab1b937
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But GameStop will be happy to put it in a plastic bag for you along with a mile long paper receipt.

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#28 Alter_Echo
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Meh. Most of the games they release are recycled from other games. This move makes sense.

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#29 Bedizen
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I don't think Ubisoft's motivation is helping the environment. It just happens they can use it as a marketing ploy.

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#30 kimkim01
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I don't really think this is an environmental move. It's jsut a cost sutting measure.

And I don't like it. I find the manual much more useful and readable than instructions on the TV screen.

BuryMe

It doesn't matter if the primary intention was to cut cost if the side benefit is environmentally beneficial; most other industries do this all the time. The environmental help announcement helps you publicize a better image of your company though, which is a big plus.

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I don't really like the idea. I enjoy have the manual. I feel it's part of the complete package. I can honestly see how it would end up driving people to just purchasing a game used instead of new. I, for one, usually buy my games new because I'm guaranteed an owner's manual and complete packaging. If they take a way some of the incentive to buy new, then why not pay less and just get a used copy. Either way, you're not getting a manual. Oh well, at least Ubisoft can use this whole "green" thing to make their reputation look better after that whole DRM fiasco.
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But GameStop will be happy to put it in a plastic bag for you along with a mile long paper receipt.

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That's why I never accept plastic bags. I mean, i think my hands can still hold a DVD case without the need of a non-biodegradable plastic bag.
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#33 xD1STURB3Dx
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i think this is a good idea. Personally, i either lose the manual or nevber open it. with no manuals and recycled cases, maybe we can ge the price of games dropped a little? cmon lol huh huh *nudge nudge*

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[QUOTE="SupaKoopaTroopa"]But GameStop will be happy to put it in a plastic bag for you along with a mile long paper receipt.Black_Knight_00
That's why I never accept plastic bags. I mean, i think my hands can still hold a DVD case without the need of a non-biodegradable plastic bag.

I think the point was the length of the receipt that many stores give you, even if you only purchase one item. :P
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For me, it won't affect my gaming experience. I hardly bother to open game manuals these days, especially since they went scant on them in recent years. I remember before game boxes shrunk to DVD cases. The manuals were big, and filled with a lot of content. I remember Baldur's Gate 2's game manual. That thing was as thick as a novel. They don't do it like that anymore.
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[QUOTE="SupaKoopaTroopa"]

But GameStop will be happy to put it in a plastic bag for you along with a mile long paper receipt.

Black_Knight_00
That's why I never accept plastic bags. I mean, i think my hands can still hold a DVD case without the need of a non-biodegradable plastic bag.

That's kind of a silly reason not to accept a bag... I mean, the bag is already crafted and hanging on the shelf. Not using one isn't going to make it disappear in a puff and smoke while somebody pats you on the back for helping save the environment. Of course, you're welcome to your own feelings on the matter, but whether or not you accept a bag from them, it's going to make its way to the dump eventually anyway. Back on topic though, if they can make game cases out of recycled plastic, they can make manuals out of recycled paper. The fact that they're cutting their manuals altogether instead of going the recycling route just shows that they're more concerned about money than about helping the environment.
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Some manuals used to be great, but now almost all of them have next to nothing in them, probably a good thing thing they did this. I'm sure it is just to cut costs though.

That's kind of a silly reason not to accept a bag... I mean, the bag is already crafted and hanging on the shelf. Not using one isn't going to make it disappear in a puff and smoke while somebody pats you on the back for helping save the environment. Of course, you're welcome to your own feelings on the matter, but whether or not you accept a bag from them, it's going to make its way to the dump eventually anyway.

You can say the same thing about vegetarians. But if everyone who went to Gamestop stopped accepting bags then they would have no need to ever get more of them.

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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="SupaKoopaTroopa"]But GameStop will be happy to put it in a plastic bag for you along with a mile long paper receipt.Greyfeld
That's why I never accept plastic bags. I mean, i think my hands can still hold a DVD case without the need of a non-biodegradable plastic bag.

That's kind of a silly reason not to accept a bag... I mean, the bag is already crafted and hanging on the shelf. Not using one isn't going to make it disappear in a puff and smoke while somebody pats you on the back for helping save the environment. Of course, you're welcome to your own feelings on the matter, but whether or not you accept a bag from them, it's going to make its way to the dump eventually anyway.

The fewer people who use bags, the fewer bags that need to be made. How is that silly?

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[QUOTE="Greyfeld"][QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] That's why I never accept plastic bags. I mean, i think my hands can still hold a DVD case without the need of a non-biodegradable plastic bag.muthsera666

That's kind of a silly reason not to accept a bag... I mean, the bag is already crafted and hanging on the shelf. Not using one isn't going to make it disappear in a puff and smoke while somebody pats you on the back for helping save the environment. Of course, you're welcome to your own feelings on the matter, but whether or not you accept a bag from them, it's going to make its way to the dump eventually anyway.

The fewer people who use bags, the fewer bags that need to be made. How is that silly?

All I'm saying is 1 person not taking 1 bag from 1 shop isn't going to do anything. If you really want to make a difference when it comes to that sort of thing, get yourself some canvas shopping bags to use at the grocery store. That's what my girlfriend does.
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[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="Greyfeld"]That's kind of a silly reason not to accept a bag... I mean, the bag is already crafted and hanging on the shelf. Not using one isn't going to make it disappear in a puff and smoke while somebody pats you on the back for helping save the environment. Of course, you're welcome to your own feelings on the matter, but whether or not you accept a bag from them, it's going to make its way to the dump eventually anyway.Greyfeld
The fewer people who use bags, the fewer bags that need to be made. How is that silly?

All I'm saying is 1 person not taking 1 bag from 1 shop isn't going to do anything. If you really want to make a difference when it comes to that sort of thing, get yourself some canvas shopping bags to use at the grocery store. That's what my girlfriend does.

You're right. We're all just one person. Let's do whatever we want, because one person doesn't have any meaningful impact. :?

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#41 Greyfeld
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[QUOTE="Greyfeld"][QUOTE="muthsera666"]The fewer people who use bags, the fewer bags that need to be made. How is that silly?muthsera666

All I'm saying is 1 person not taking 1 bag from 1 shop isn't going to do anything. If you really want to make a difference when it comes to that sort of thing, get yourself some canvas shopping bags to use at the grocery store. That's what my girlfriend does.

You're right. We're all just one person. Let's do whatever we want, because one person doesn't have any meaningful impact. :?

I think you completely missed the point of my entire post...
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Still, if no company has done this before it must mean the money they'll save is not as much as we think, because if this was the case we'd already have been without manuals a long time ago.Black_Knight_00

A very interesting notion that deserves notice.

The the sentiments of some of the members here whom believer their abolition are quite ignorant of those whom do enjoy the manuals. As stated by of one the members, this is a stride that hurts consumers and not technically those of the company.

As for the other side, think of the interesting things they could do with an in-game manual. Could add contextual music, graphical enhancements, and perhaps provide a better understanding of the game itself.

I remain neutral on the position, but as an advocate of non-digital distribution of video games, I find this bothersome.

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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] Still, if no company has done this before it must mean the money they'll save is not as much as we think, because if this was the case we'd already have been without manuals a long time ago.whisperingmute

A very interesting notion that deserves notice.

The the sentiments of some of the members here whom believer their abolition are quite ignorant of those whom do enjoy the manuals. As stated by of one the members, this is a stride that hurts consumers and not technically those of the company.

As for the other side, think of the interesting things they could do with an in-game manual. Could add contextual music, graphical enhancements, and perhaps provide a better understanding of the game itself.

I remain neutral on the position, but as an advocate of non-digital distribution of video games, I find this bothersome.

The thing is though, most games already have in-game tutorials. I haven't had to look at a game manual to figure out a game's control scheme in I don't know how long. But not only are manuals tradition, they're also more than just a written tutorial. As has been said before, it's insight into character personalities, prologue information, game mechanics info... stuff that would probably be boring and completely unfun to slog through in-game, but lends itself to resourceful reading material when away from the console.
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#44 Black_Knight_00
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That's kind of a silly reason not to accept a bag... I mean, the bag is already crafted and hanging on the shelf. Not using one isn't going to make it disappear in a puff and smoke while somebody pats you on the back for helping save the environment.Greyfeld
Oh man, where do I start...
Just the fact that someone produced something doesn't mean you have to accept it. Ok, there already exist billions of plastic bags that take a thousand years to dissolve into polluting materials, does that mean we have to bend over and take it? We're not talking plastic dvd cases that you keep on a shelf for collection, we are talking plastic bags you use and throw away. As long as we use them without thinking, the industry will keep making millions of them that add to the existing ones. Ever heard of boycotting something? Try googling something like 'plastic bags facts' to see how much room for improvement there is.

Hell, I don't want to sound like a tree hugger here, but, dude...

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#45 Grammaton-Cleric
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Meh. Most of the games they release are recycled from other games. This move makes sense.

Alter_Echo

Really?

I'd rank Ubisoft as one of the best publishers/developers out there right now. Hell, they even release killer apps on the Wii like Red Steel 2 and No More Heroes 1 and 2.

And the newest Splinter Cell is one of the better stealth games to date.

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#46 muthsera666
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[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="Greyfeld"]All I'm saying is 1 person not taking 1 bag from 1 shop isn't going to do anything. If you really want to make a difference when it comes to that sort of thing, get yourself some canvas shopping bags to use at the grocery store. That's what my girlfriend does.Greyfeld
You're right. We're all just one person. Let's do whatever we want, because one person doesn't have any meaningful impact. :?

I think you completely missed the point of my entire post...

No, I think you missed the entire point of someone making a conscious decision to change the way that he chooses to do things. It may not be much on one person, but every course taken in human history has been begun with one person.

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#47 Greyfeld
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[QUOTE="Greyfeld"][QUOTE="muthsera666"]You're right. We're all just one person. Let's do whatever we want, because one person doesn't have any meaningful impact. :?muthsera666

I think you completely missed the point of my entire post...

No, I think you missed the entire point of someone making a conscious decision to change the way that he chooses to do things. It may not be much on one person, but every course taken in human history has been begun with one person.

Did you completely miss my whole "canvas bags" comment?
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#48 Greyfeld
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[QUOTE="Greyfeld"]That's kind of a silly reason not to accept a bag... I mean, the bag is already crafted and hanging on the shelf. Not using one isn't going to make it disappear in a puff and smoke while somebody pats you on the back for helping save the environment.Black_Knight_00

Oh man, where do I start...
Just the fact that someone produced something doesn't mean you have to accept it. Ok, there already exist billions of plastic bags that take a thousand years to dissolve into polluting materials, does that mean we have to bend over and take it? We're not talking plastic dvd cases that you keep on a shelf for collection, we are talking plastic bags you use and throw away. As long as we use them without thinking, the industry will keep making millions of them that add to the existing ones. Ever heard of boycotting something? Try googling something like 'plastic bags facts' to see how much room for improvement there is.

Hell, I don't want to sound like a tree hugger here, but, dude...

Again, completely missing the point. Read my post shortly after the one you latched on and ranted about.

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#49 muthsera666
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[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="Greyfeld"]I think you completely missed the point of my entire post...Greyfeld
No, I think you missed the entire point of someone making a conscious decision to change the way that he chooses to do things. It may not be much on one person, but every course taken in human history has been begun with one person.

Did you completely miss my whole "canvas bags" comment?

Nope. I saw it and read it. However, the point remains that by declining a bag, one is not taking any course of action that has a difference upon himself. Using alternative bagging requires the ownership of said bagging and the physical presence of said bagging. By choosing a course of action that has little personal effect, but eventually much larger environmental effect, one person can accomplish much without placing any additional burden upon oneself.

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#50 Black_Knight_00
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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"]That's kind of a silly reason not to accept a bag... I mean, the bag is already crafted and hanging on the shelf. Not using one isn't going to make it disappear in a puff and smoke while somebody pats you on the back for helping save the environment.Greyfeld

Oh man, where do I start...
Just the fact that someone produced something doesn't mean you have to accept it. Ok, there already exist billions of plastic bags that take a thousand years to dissolve into polluting materials, does that mean we have to bend over and take it? We're not talking plastic dvd cases that you keep on a shelf for collection, we are talking plastic bags you use and throw away. As long as we use them without thinking, the industry will keep making millions of them that add to the existing ones. Ever heard of boycotting something? Try googling something like 'plastic bags facts' to see how much room for improvement there is.

Hell, I don't want to sound like a tree hugger here, but, dude...

Again, completely missing the point. Read my post shortly after the one you latched on and ranted about.

Ok, looks like everyone is misunderstanding what you mean. Perhaps you may want to reiterate your thoughts for us?