[Update #3] So You Want To Pledge to This-and-That Kickstarter Project...

[QUOTE="Pedro"]Citing mishaps and only mishaps is very misleading .Gelugon_baat

Then you may want to consider my intent: I am not here to gush over Kickstarter's more convincing successes or would-be successes (like those that you just cited).

I am here to point out that there is no guarantee that Kickstarter campaigns will not turn out ugly.

Really, you are doing nothing noble here.  What you are being is condescending and insulting.  Don't tell me what to spend my money on, and don't presume me ignorant or a fool in the manner in which I choose to use it.  It's none of your beezwax and all of mine. What you are essentially saying is that I'm some type of misguided, ignorant, naive, uneducated dolt who has no idea as to how KS works.  I know there's risks, I've read the stories, and I'm fully aware of what may be.  It's called being responsible, and I don't need to be told how to be.

Let it lay, I'm far past the point of frustration here.

Let it lay, I'm far past the point of frustration here.

MirkoS77

Then don't visit or read this thread. ;)

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

Let it lay, I'm far past the point of frustration here.

Gelugon_baat

Then don't visit or read this thread. ;)

I agree with Mirko. It should not make a difference to you on whether or not I choose to support someone running a Kickstarter project. You cannot presume to tell people where to spend their money. It just makes you look foolish. 

[QUOTE="GT90"]Uh, Uber placed the alpha at $90 because that was the kickstarter price point to get into the alpha.Gelugon_baat

I am aware of that argument - but that the price of early access is still at $90 close to a year after the end of the Kickstarter call would still raise suspicisions in those who do not give Uber Entertainment the benefit of the doubt.

If the pricing of alpha access over Steam was anything other than the pricing of alpha access over Kickstarter, maybe you'd be onto something.

As it is though, they obviously didn't want to upset their fanbase by offering the same privileges for less money. There was no way they could charge less than $90 for the game - and if they had, you'd have made a post about how they ripped off their consumers.

Also, as it is, if they were already going to have the alpha versions of their game on Steam (as part of their Kickstarter rewards), why not charge for it under Valve's brand new alpha access system? It's not a clear sign of desperation from Uber Entertainment - it's just good business sense.

Explain this and supposedly one of the most powerful women in the world using it for tuition to send her daughter to a camp. While KS stated that it should be used for creative projects, she still raised money for her daughter's tuition to camp, whether or not it was to try and create something creative or not.WhiteKnight77

That was BS, but it was also an unwinnable situation for Kickstarter.

You can't shut down a 9 year old girls pro-feminist game project, made by a very vocal social media users with connections to talk shows like Ellen, without being instantly villified by the internet. Letting the project slide was the lesser of two evils, in a way.

...may want to be reminded that there are yet to be any Kickstarter projects that turn out to be unanimously convincing successes.Gelugon_baat

Incorrect. Off the top of my head, Resonance and Faster than Light were both highly praised (and award winning) Kickstarter titles.

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Anyway, the other guys are totally right about this thread.

You're posting weak links to minor problems with Kickstarter campaigns and deliberately inferring that the problems are much worse than they are; and you're only posting negative things about Kickstarter, deliberately inferring that Kickstarter is terrible. You pretend to take an unbiased informative stance, but you continually speculate the worst about these campaigns. It's misleading, to say the least.

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Oh, meanwhile...for any fans of The Neverhood (or Skullmonkeys, or Earthworm Jim), you'll absolutely want to check out Doug TenNaples' new Kickstarter: Armikrog.

It still needs a good $300,000 this week to make funding, and I'm sure that there must be more fans of his work (or adventure games in general) out there, so...you know, spread the word?

I agree with Mirko. It should not make a difference to you on whether or not I choose to support someone running a Kickstarter project. You cannot presume to tell people where to spend their money. It just makes you look foolish. 

WhiteKnight77

Then don't let anyone catch you saying that some people are idiots for backing shady Kickstarter projects. That's a hell lot worse than my suggestion that people should wait and see.

That said...

How can people pledge for a game that has no content, yet a game that has playable content gets nothing?WhiteKnight77 earlier

Look who's talking, WhiteKnight77.

As it is though, they obviously didn't want to upset their fanbase by offering the same privileges for less money. There was no way they could charge less than $90 for the game - and if they had, you'd have made a post about how they ripped off their consumers.Planeforger

To be honest, I have not thought of the possibility that Uber Entertainment might have priced this in order to avoid angering their Kickstarter backers.

It's not a clear sign of desperation from Uber Entertainment - it's just good business sense.Planeforger

I have never said that Uber Entertainment was desperate - I have said that they may have underestimated their development costs when they made their Kickstarter pitch.

If they had indeed made that underestimation, then tacking this price tag for early access to the alpha and beta is definitely good business sense - assuming that there are enough people that want to fund Uber Entertainment's development work, which is probably more than likely. 

[QUOTE="Gelugon_baat"]...may want to be reminded that there are yet to be any Kickstarter projects that turn out to be unanimously convincing successes.Planeforger

Incorrect. Off the top of my head, Resonance and Faster than Light were both highly praised (and award winning) Kickstarter titles.

I would use the phrase "I disagree" instead of "incorrect" if I were you. This is a matter of perception - there is nothing that is quantifiably absolute in this argument.

That said, you may want to be reminded that Faster Than Light's Kickstarter was started to help fund the game's marketing and pay its music composer - the game was already almost fully developed by the time. If the funding can be tied to any game development, it's for "polishing".

I don't know how much of that Kickstarter money went into the game, but so far, the updates for that game are for balancing and bugs, not convincingly new and additional content or features, and there had been other versions of the game for other computer OSes - nothing convincingly value-adding thus far.

As for Resonance, it's not as if every possible person liked the game, is it? Maybe there are backers that like the game anyway, but I am not about to believe that every one of them liked it.

You pretend to take an unbiased informative stance, but you continually speculate the worst about these campaigns. It's misleading, to say the least.Planeforger

I have never pretended to be unbiased. You are putting words that I did not say into my mouth - just like the other persons that you mentioned.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

I agree with Mirko. It should not make a difference to you on whether or not I choose to support someone running a Kickstarter project. You cannot presume to tell people where to spend their money. It just makes you look foolish. 

Gelugon_baat

Then don't let anyone catch you saying that some people are idiots for backing shady Kickstarter projects. That's a hell lot worse than my suggestion that people should wait and see.

That said...

How can people pledge for a game that has no content, yet a game that has playable content gets nothing?WhiteKnight77 earlier

Look who's talking, WhiteKnight77.

Nowhere did I say that someone should support one project over the other. As I said, I was flabbergasted that a game that had playable content wasn't supported while one that was trying to raise money to show investors that there was interest in the genre did even when that project had no content whatsoever. That does not mean that they should have funded the other game. 

Nowhere did I say that someone should support one project over the other.WhiteKnight77

Indeed, you didn't - that doesn't change the coincidence that you happened to complain that some projects don't get funded whereas others that you feel don't deserve funding get funded anyway.

You cannot presume to tell people where to spend their money. It just makes you look foolish.WhiteKnight77 earlier

I didn't presume to tell people how to spend their money either.

I can put words that you did not say into your mouth and then weasel out too, WhiteKnight77. I won't do this if you won't.

This thread has run its course. It's just moving in circles now.