Why is everyone so in love with this game? I don't get it. No player interaction, no shops and I heard there is basically no story. The game just evolves around gameplay and puzzle solving. I'm not trying to bash the game so please people don't take this the wrong way. I just don't understand what is so great about this game because it sounds kinda boring to me. I like player interaction and stories in my RPG's, JRPG's and WRPG's. Please feel free toenlighten me. Make me see the error of my ways.
Vagrant Story?
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No story? It's has one of the best stories presented in a JRPG heck one of the best stories in a RPG in general. One of my personally favorite game of all time. As for the lack of character interaction that was the beauty of that game, and also a intention in the design.
I don't know where you heard that but this game most certainly does have a storyline that is told through an interesting cast of characters, cutscenes and text dialog. It's also set in the world of Ivalice, the same world that appears in FF Tactics and FFXII.
The game doesn't really need shops as it's got it's own highly indepth weapon and armor combining system and you'll find loads of weapons & armor scattered throughout the game in chests and boss rewards. You can even name your own weapons. Add to the fact it's got a newgame+ feature, the most epic soundtrack ever, awesome graphics for it's time. I'd say the praise for this game is pretty just. One of the main issues some people might have with this game, it's a pretty damn hard game with a pretty steep learning curve.
Yes it takes place hundrads of years after FF Tactics (timeline goes FFXII>XIIRW>TA2>WotL>VS)I don't know where you heard that but this game most certainly does have a storyline that is told through an interesting cast of characters, cutscenes and text dialog. It's also set in the world of Ivalice, the same world that appears in FF Tactics and FFXII.
The game doesn't really need shops as it's got it's own highly indepth weapon and armor combining system and you'll find loads of weapons & armor scattered throughout the game in chests and boss rewards. You can even name your own weapons. Add to the fact it's got a newgame+ feature, the most epic soundtrack ever, awesome graphics for it's time. I'd say the praise for this game is pretty just. One of the main issues some people might have with this game, it's a pretty damn hard game with a pretty steep learning curve.
Crossel777
Just something I heard thats all like I said I'm not trying to bash the game. I just want to understand why everyone likes it so much.No story? It's has one of the best stories presented in a JRPG heck one of the best stories in a RPG in general. One of my personally favorite game of all time. As for the lack of character interaction that was the beauty of that game, and also a intention in the design.
jasonharris48
I don't know where you heard that but this game most certainly does have a storyline that is told through an interesting cast of characters, cutscenes and text dialog. It's also set in the world of Ivalice, the same world that appears in FF Tactics and FFXII.
The game doesn't really need shops as it's got it's own highly indepth weapon and armor combining system and you'll find loads of weapons & armor scattered throughout the game in chests and boss rewards. You can even name your own weapons. Add to the fact it's got a newgame+ feature, the most epic soundtrack ever, awesome graphics for it's time. I'd say the praise for this game is pretty just. One of the main issues some people might have with this game, it's a pretty damn hard game with a pretty steep learning curve.
Well I wasn't much of a fan of FFXII or tactics so if they are anything like those two games then I'll steer clear of Vagrant Story. Other then that I don't know this game looks iffy to me. I might need a lot of convincing to pick this one up. The only two games I have never played that Squaresoft made were Xenogears and Vagrant Story. I have to say so far I'm enjoying Xenogears. The game has a lot of charm.
Im one of the people who disliked it, I got quite bored playing it
I got bored, and frustrated, playing the game, and I am NOT one of the people that disliked it.
The reason is because the game's battle system, and rules in general, are COMPLEX AS FUDGE! I mean, JESUS! There's a book in itself all about how the battle system works. There is so much depth in it, and in the story, too. I've heard it's a short game, but has more depth than most JRPGs that span four discs, and I've found this to be pretty true so far.
I am STILL trying to figure out how to play the game, though, even though I've had the game since 2007, and have yet to really move far past the dragon boss. I've had to come back to the game on repeated occaisions, because I stop at a point, and don't come back until way too late for me to even still be involved in the story. The last time I played, I had the most fun -- a LOT of fun -- and the game, even thought it's short, and I haven't done much with it in YEARS, I still hold cherished memories of the game.
Anyway, yeah. Once I learn it, I'm going to love it. I mean to go back to that game. It was worth every penny to find that rare gem in near mint condition at that outstanding game store that closed down. It's definitely a deep game, with a compelling, mature story, and all of your complaints are very feeble, baseless, and misinformed. It's definitely not a game for your average Joe Gamer who really isn't too bright, and can't really appreciate true gaming art; and you don't really sound like you'd enjoy this game -- so yeah, I'd "steer clear of it."
One of Sqix's best games, hands-down, no doubt.
No story? It's has one of the best stories presented in a JRPG heck one of the best stories in a RPG in general. One of my personally favorite game of all time. As for the lack of character interaction that was the beauty of that game, and also a intention in the design.
jasonharris48
This pretty much right here.
Im one of the people who disliked it, I got quite bored playing it
Darkman2007
I hate that game too. I found it just cosmetics repetitive and dull. Great presentation, true, but can be said for this game Form oversizes substance and very slow in large ways. Very overrated and disappointing game
[QUOTE="Crossel777"]Well I wasn't much of a fan of FFXII or tactics so if they are anything like those two games then I'll steer clear of Vagrant Story. Other then that I don't know this game looks iffy to me. I might need a lot of convincing to pick this one up. The only two games I have never played that Squaresoft made were Xenogears and Vagrant Story. I have to say so far I'm enjoying Xenogears. The game has a lot of charm.Well there isn't anything similar gameplay wise at least. The connection to Tactics and XII are very vague. VS just happens to take place in an area in Ivalice years after those two titles. Most people dislike the game because of how in depth the gameplay (with a very steep learning curve) is and the difficulty that the game often presents.I don't know where you heard that but this game most certainly does have a storyline that is told through an interesting cast of characters, cutscenes and text dialog. It's also set in the world of Ivalice, the same world that appears in FF Tactics and FFXII.
The game doesn't really need shops as it's got it's own highly indepth weapon and armor combining system and you'll find loads of weapons & armor scattered throughout the game in chests and boss rewards. You can even name your own weapons. Add to the fact it's got a newgame+ feature, the most epic soundtrack ever, awesome graphics for it's time. I'd say the praise for this game is pretty just. One of the main issues some people might have with this game, it's a pretty damn hard game with a pretty steep learning curve.
J2G_Avarice
I got bored, and frustrated, playing the game, and I am NOT one of the people that disliked it.
The reason is because the game's battle system, and rules in general, are COMPLEX AS FUDGE! I mean, JESUS! There's a book in itself all about how the battle system works. There is so much depth in it, and in the story, too. I've heard it's a short game, but has more depth than most JRPGs that span four discs, and I've found this to be pretty true so far.
I am STILL trying to figure out how to play the game, though, even though I've had the game since 2007, and have yet to really move far past the dragon boss. I've had to come back to the game on repeated occaisions, because I stop at a point, and don't come back until way too late for me to even still be involved in the story. The last time I played, I had the most fun -- a LOT of fun -- and the game, even thought it's short, and I haven't done much with it in YEARS, I still hold cherished memories of the game.
Anyway, yeah. Once I learn it, I'm going to love it. I mean to go back to that game. It was worth every penny to find that rare gem in near mint condition at that outstanding game store that closed down. It's definitely a deep game, with a compelling, mature story, and all of your complaints are very feeble, baseless, and misinformed. It's definitely not a game for your average Joe Gamer who really isn't too bright, and can't really appreciate true gaming art; and you don't really sound like you'd enjoy this game -- so yeah, I'd "steer clear of it."
One of Sqix's best games, hands-down, no doubt.
Really dude? " It's definitely not a game for your average Joe Gamer who really isn't too bright, and can't really appreciate true gaming art and you don't really sound lik you'd enjoy this game." Was that nessesary? I said I wasn't bashing the game I just heard things. You yourself said you got bored and frustrated playing the game. You also said you have to stop playing it for long periods of time. Yet you call me "Not to Bright." Look at you, you contradicted everything you said genius. There was no need for that, I never said or did anything to you to deserve that comment. So because I have an opinion and asked why it was such a great game I'm an idiot and don't appreciate true art? Whatever....need I say more. Right back at you buddy the feelings mutual but atleast I didn't make myself sound unintelligable.[QUOTE="J2G_Avarice"][QUOTE="Crossel777"]
I don't know where you heard that but this game most certainly does have a storyline that is told through an interesting cast of characters, cutscenes and text dialog. It's also set in the world of Ivalice, the same world that appears in FF Tactics and FFXII.
The game doesn't really need shops as it's got it's own highly indepth weapon and armor combining system and you'll find loads of weapons & armor scattered throughout the game in chests and boss rewards. You can even name your own weapons. Add to the fact it's got a newgame+ feature, the most epic soundtrack ever, awesome graphics for it's time. I'd say the praise for this game is pretty just. One of the main issues some people might have with this game, it's a pretty damn hard game with a pretty steep learning curve.
Well I wasn't much of a fan of FFXII or tactics so if they are anything like those two games then I'll steer clear of Vagrant Story. Other then that I don't know this game looks iffy to me. I might need a lot of convincing to pick this one up. The only two games I have never played that Squaresoft made were Xenogears and Vagrant Story. I have to say so far I'm enjoying Xenogears. The game has a lot of charm.Well there isn't anything similar gameplay wise at least. The connection to Tactics and XII are very vague. VS just happens to take place in an area in Ivalice years after those two titles. Most people dislike the game because of how in depth the gameplay (with a very steep learning curve) is and the difficulty that the game often presents. Ok well the steep learning curve and the depth of the gameplay doesnn't bother me. I just heard things about the story and how boring it is and short it is. How there basically is no story. Like I said I don't know anything about it except from what I hear and from doing a little research on it. Like I said I'm not bashing the game and apparently some people take things personally even after I said I wasn't trying to hate on it. I just wanted to know why everyone likes it so much. Thats all.[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]Well there isn't anything similar gameplay wise at least. The connection to Tactics and XII are very vague. VS just happens to take place in an area in Ivalice years after those two titles. Most people dislike the game because of how in depth the gameplay (with a very steep learning curve) is and the difficulty that the game often presents. Ok well the steep learning curve and the depth of the gameplay doesnn't bother me. I just heard things about the story and how boring it is and short it is. How there basically is no story. Like I said I don't know anything about it except from what I hear and from doing a little research on it. Like I said I'm not bashing the game and apparently some people take things personally even after I said I wasn't trying to hate on it. I just wanted to know why everyone likes it so much. Thats all. It's cool, I saw that one post it was kind of harsh. Back on topic do nt believe the peple who claim this game has no story. It is one of the deepest stories presentedin one of Square's titles. The game can be short clocking at 15-20 hrs your first play through, but don't worry you'll die a lot until you get the hang of the game. If there is anything else you would like to know just ask.[QUOTE="J2G_Avarice"] Well I wasn't much of a fan of FFXII or tactics so if they are anything like those two games then I'll steer clear of Vagrant Story. Other then that I don't know this game looks iffy to me. I might need a lot of convincing to pick this one up. The only two games I have never played that Squaresoft made were Xenogears and Vagrant Story. I have to say so far I'm enjoying Xenogears. The game has a lot of charm.J2G_Avarice
BTW what's with kids segregating the genre into JRPG and WRPG? You don't call God of War W-action and Devil May Cry J-action, even though the concepts are entirely different... it's really stupid. istuffedsunnyTell that to professional reviewers and gaming websites that have being using the terms for years now. They'd be lying if they said they are completely similer. They both differ too much compared to any game genre.
Why should we explain to you why a classic is considered one of the best of its genre? the fact you make judgements about a game you haven't played based on how it seems to be doesn't make you much of a gamer in my eyes, it will take about 20 hours for you to find out for yourself what makes VS the last truly godly game for Square. Oh and good luck if you do try it, its a pretty tough game ;).
I got bored, and frustrated, playing the game, and I am NOT one of the people that disliked it.
I am STILL trying to figure out how to play the game, though, even though I've had the game since 2007, and have yet to really move far past the dragon boss. .
Anyway, yeah. Once I learn it, I'm going to love it. It's definitely a deep game, with a compelling, mature story, and all of your complaints are very feeble, baseless, and misinformed. It's definitely not a game for your average Joe Gamer who really isn't too bright, and can't really appreciate true gaming art; and you don't really sound like you'd enjoy this game --
One of Sqix's best games, hands-down, no doubt.
Wow dude. You are putting this guy down for having doubts about a game that you haven't even been able to finish or learn to play in 4 years. Then put yourself on a pedestal of being "bright" and "appreciating true gaming art." Maybe your time would be better spent writing a thesis on Inland Empire explaining why nobody gets it but you.
I didn't really like this game either, too boring environment in my opinion.
[QUOTE="Old_Schooler_Dan"]Wow dude. You are putting this guy down for having doubts about a game that you haven't even been able to finish or learn to play in 4 years. Then put yourself on a pedestal of being "bright" and "appreciating true gaming art." Maybe your time would be better spent writing a thesis on Inland Empire explaining why nobody gets it but you.I got bored, and frustrated, playing the game, and I am NOT one of the people that disliked it.
I am STILL trying to figure out how to play the game, though, even though I've had the game since 2007, and have yet to really move far past the dragon boss. .
Anyway, yeah. Once I learn it, I'm going to love it. It's definitely a deep game, with a compelling, mature story, and all of your complaints are very feeble, baseless, and misinformed. It's definitely not a game for your average Joe Gamer who really isn't too bright, and can't really appreciate true gaming art; and you don't really sound like you'd enjoy this game --
One of Sqix's best games, hands-down, no doubt.
Second_Rook
This is a prime example of why I get into so many debates here on these forums. It is the poor attitude of gamers who think their tastes in games are superior than others, and it is quite sad to see that. Now I may be agressive and I am blunt, but the one thing I donot do is hold my tastes above others since most everything about gaming tastes is subjective, I mostly argue when people give incorrect facts or say something as arrogant as Old Schooler Dan says. Second Rook, the problem with people like Old Schooler Dan is that they are the ones who donot understand gaming art. I say that because like any form of art, there are different arts for different tastes. There are shooters for those that want action, there are rpgs for those that want epic quests, and than there are sports games who want the feel of playing in the professionals. No type, genre, or game is factually superior, its about different tastes. Second Rook we have had our differences but you understand that gaming tastes are subjective. I suggest old Schooler Dan go learn what subjectivity is and learn what appreciating gaming art really is and appreciating other opinions as well.
. No type, genre, or game is factually superior, its about different tastes. TheTrueMagusX1Yes sir, a good articulation of my thoughts on the matter. When I was much younger I used to be critical of people's taste in music. One time I was really giving a friend of mine hell for having a Stryper poster on his wall, and he said calmly, "You know every band has people who like them." That has stuck with me even years later and kept me objective even when I don't see what somebody gets out of a game, movie, band, etc... I still apreciate that they are getting something out of it, even though it is not for me.
Conversely I understand that some people will not enjoy all of my favorite games. One example is Fallout 3 and New Vegas, these are by far my favorite games of this gen, but I have a friend at work who just doesn't enjoy their style. However I know that he appreciates good games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, Lords of Shadow, Dead Space etc.., all of our discussions are respectful and I would never dream of calling him dim, or lacking appreciation of games for having a difference of opinion. Let alone should he just say, "I heard this game wasn't that good." I am not sure how such behavior makes people feel good about themselves.
Yes sir, a good articulation of my thoughts on the matter. When I was much younger I used to be critical of people's taste in music. One time I was really giving a friend of mine hell for having a Stryper poster on his wall, and he said calmly, "You know every band has people who like them." That has stuck with me even years later and kept me objective even when I don't see what somebody gets out of a game, movie, band, etc... I still apreciate that they are getting something out of it, even though it is not for me.[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]. No type, genre, or game is factually superior, its about different tastes. Second_Rook
Conversely I understand that some people will not enjoy all of my favorite games. One example is Fallout 3 and New Vegas, these are by far my favorite games of this gen, but I have a friend at work who just doesn't enjoy their style. However I know that he appreciates good games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, Lords of Shadow, Dead Space etc.., all of our discussions are respectful and I would never dream of calling him dim, or lacking appreciation of games for having a difference of opinion. Let alone should he just say, "I heard this game wasn't that good." I am not sure how such behavior makes people feel good about themselves.
Well said. Thats how I am as well. I have a friend who loves Gran Turismo, but personally I rather donot like that series, but I do respect that other people get something out of it. Now the problem I see is that alot of people these days like to look down on people for personal taste. And that to me is a problem because thats why people look down at many gamers. it is because the immaturity of others that we get looked down over, and sadly in some cases this immature behaviour carries over to the mainstream gaming media. I think also alot of gamers do this to validate themselves to compensate for some sort of insecurity issues, which I feel they need to get over. The fact is that they donot see the bigger picture, they only see their own views as validations. And if you look at this trhead alone oldschool dan is not the only one who has this issue sadly. And the sadder fact, is that gamers like you and I will get the blunt of such immature actions.
what drives me bonkers is that the original poster says "I heard that _________"......... and my first thought is always "just play the game dude".
why would you either dismiss or praise a game based on one single opinion you may have heard?
anyhow, personally I absolutely loved VAGRANT STORY; one of the best PSone games period, let alone of the best RPGs.
in some cases this immature behaviour carries over to the mainstream gaming mediaTheTrueMagusX1You wouldn't be referencing Game Informer by any chance? Maybe not, but overall I consider it a rag. I wouldn't get it at all if I didn't get my money's worth out of my discount card. While they have a good reviewer or two overall I find them completely lacking in integrity. For example when they reviewed Scott Pilgrim which is a "geek" darling, the reviewer opened the review by saying, "I'm a huge Scott Pilgrim fan and brawlers are my absolute favorite genre." Maybe at that point you should consider having somebody else write the review? Another fine example is that they once had a reviewer cover a minigame collection for Wii who stated his loathing for Mario Party in the review, again probably not the best guy for the review unless you are pushing the opinion that the Wii is a bad console.
Add to that the fact that their is an incredibly juvenile tone to much of the magazine, while constantly mixing in articles that blatantly say we gamers deserve respect. Nothing will lose you respect more quickly than demanding it. The worst part is due to this publications affiliation with Gamestop they are what represents you and I to the public at large, and as far as I'm concerned they are dropping the ball.
You wouldn't be referencing Game Informer by any chance? Maybe not, but overall I consider it a rag. I wouldn't get it at all if I didn't get my money's worth out of my discount card. While they have a good reviewer or two overall I find them completely lacking in integrity. For example when they reviewed Scott Pilgrim which is a "geek" darling, the reviewer opened the review by saying, "I'm a huge Scott Pilgrim fan and brawlers are my absolute favorite genre." Maybe at that point you should consider having somebody else write the review? Another fine example is that they once had a reviewer cover a minigame collection for Wii who stated his loathing for Mario Party in the review, again probably not the best guy for the review unless you are pushing the opinion that the Wii is a bad console.[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"] in some cases this immature behaviour carries over to the mainstream gaming mediaSecond_Rook
Add to that the fact that their is an incredibly juvenile tone to much of the magazine, while constantly mixing in articles that blatantly say we gamers deserve respect. Nothing will lose you respect more quickly than demanding it. The worst part is due to this publications affiliation with Gamestop they are what represents you and I to the public at large, and as far as I'm concerned they are dropping the ball.
Game Informer is part of it, I think it goes beyond Gameinformer as well. I think sites like IGN, where they post articles claiming that Metroid Prime and Citizen Kane are exactly the same, and I mean exactly, not the equivalent but they are exactly the same. When you have places like XPlay and their reviewers complain about Mario not being 3D enough, or the worst of it all the abomination that is the Spikes Videogame Awards. Now while this years show was only good for the reveal trailers, the show itself is awful and is full of immaturity, and unfunny skits that try to hard to be shocking and funny at the time they just seem like jokes you would find on a middle school playground. Thats the problem I have with the gaming media is their immaturity and than wnating to be accepted. The fact of the matter is asa you said, stop asking for acceptance, and than turn around and act like biased fool like certain gaming mags do. Just act mature, and have a legit game show. now I am not saying to eliminate gaming humor, but lets focus more on the achievements of the gaming community and the developers and less focus on the silly jokes....simple as that.
[QUOTE="J2G_Avarice"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"]Well there isn't anything similar gameplay wise at least. The connection to Tactics and XII are very vague. VS just happens to take place in an area in Ivalice years after those two titles. Most people dislike the game because of how in depth the gameplay (with a very steep learning curve) is and the difficulty that the game often presents.
Ok well the steep learning curve and the depth of the gameplay doesnn't bother me. I just heard things about the story and how boring it is and short it is. How there basically is no story. Like I said I don't know anything about it except from what I hear and from doing a little research on it. Like I said I'm not bashing the game and apparently some people take things personally even after I said I wasn't trying to hate on it. I just wanted to know why everyone likes it so much. Thats all. It's cool, I saw that one post it was kind of harsh. Back on topic do nt believe the peple who claim this game has no story. It is one of the deepest stories presentedin one of Square's titles. The game can be short clocking at 15-20 hrs your first play through, but don't worry you'll die a lot until you get the hang of the game. If there is anything else you would like to know just ask. Thanks man I definitely will.Hey look another one who clearly didn't read anything I said. I wasn't bashing the game. Do you ave selective reading? Getting an attitude for no reason tells me that your not much of a people person. Chill out man it's a game not the end of the world. No need to cry about it. Taking things personal doesn't make you much of a gamer either now does it?Why should we explain to you why a classic is considered one of the best of its genre? the fact you make judgements about a game you haven't played based on how it seems to be doesn't make you much of a gamer in my eyes, it will take about 20 hours for you to find out for yourself what makes VS the last truly godly game for Square. Oh and good luck if you do try it, its a pretty tough game ;).
SapSacPrime
I got bored, and frustrated, playing the game, and I am NOT one of the people that disliked it.
I am STILL trying to figure out how to play the game, though, even though I've had the game since 2007, and have yet to really move far past the dragon boss. .
Anyway, yeah. Once I learn it, I'm going to love it. It's definitely a deep game, with a compelling, mature story, and all of your complaints are very feeble, baseless, and misinformed. It's definitely not a game for your average Joe Gamer who really isn't too bright, and can't really appreciate true gaming art; and you don't really sound like you'd enjoy this game --
One of Sqix's best games, hands-down, no doubt.
Wow dude. You are putting this guy down for having doubts about a game that you haven't even been able to finish or learn to play in 4 years. Then put yourself on a pedestal of being "bright" and "appreciating true gaming art." Maybe your time would be better spent writing a thesis on Inland Empire explaining why nobody gets it but you. Thanks man. Yea there was really no need for that. I wasn't bashing the game by any means.[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
Im one of the people who disliked it, I got quite bored playing it
hurriflash
I hate that game too. I found it just cosmetics repetitive and dull. Great presentation, true, but can be said for this game Form oversizes substance and very slow in large ways. Very overrated and disappointing game
Are you guys kidding me, the gameplay is brilliant.Tell me your favorite games so I can compare them in depth and tell me more detail on what you hate about Vagrant Story.
[QUOTE="hurriflash"]
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
Im one of the people who disliked it, I got quite bored playing it
Banjo_Kongfooie
I hate that game too. I found it just cosmetics repetitive and dull. Great presentation, true, but can be said for this game Form oversizes substance and very slow in large ways. Very overrated and disappointing game
Are you guys kidding me, the gameplay is brilliant.Tell me your favorite games so I can compare them in depth and tell me more detail on what you hate about Vagrant Story.
Again, as Second Rook and I have stated, the problem with people taking others tastes out of context. First and foremost Banjo....they hav enothing to prove to you. They are saying their opinions are just that, not facts...So before you post things such as this, I suggest that you learn to not get offended by others opinions. It is obvious what they said angered you but it should not. The simple fact is that Darkman and Hurriflash have nothing to prove to you...you need to learn what subjectivity is, and than come back and learn to handle others opinions.
Are you guys kidding me, the gameplay is brilliant.[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
[QUOTE="hurriflash"]
I hate that game too. I found it just cosmetics repetitive and dull. Great presentation, true, but can be said for this game Form oversizes substance and very slow in large ways. Very overrated and disappointing game
TheTrueMagusX1
Tell me your favorite games so I can compare them in depth and tell me more detail on what you hate about Vagrant Story.
Again, as Second Rook and I have stated, the problem with people taking others tastes out of context. First and foremost Banjo....they hav enothing to prove to you. They are saying their opinions are just that, not facts...So before you post things such as this, I suggest that you learn to not get offended by others opinions. It is obvious what they said angered you but it should not. The simple fact is that Darkman and Hurriflash have nothing to prove to you...you need to learn what subjectivity is, and than come back and learn to handle others opinions.
I know they have nothing to proove but elabrating a little on why they hate such a popular and amazing game would make sense to me. I mean if you are going to use words like hate or love you should explain your strong opinion but maybe that is just me and my logic.
I am hardly offended by their opinions just simply trying to understand them.
I think sites like IGN, where they post articles claiming that Metroid Prime and Citizen Kane are exactly the same, and I mean exactly, not the equivalent but they are exactly the same. TheTrueMagusX1I'm going to have to take a look at that one... sounds a bit silly to me.
[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]
[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Are you guys kidding me, the gameplay is brilliant.
Tell me your favorite games so I can compare them in depth and tell me more detail on what you hate about Vagrant Story.
Banjo_Kongfooie
Again, as Second Rook and I have stated, the problem with people taking others tastes out of context. First and foremost Banjo....they hav enothing to prove to you. They are saying their opinions are just that, not facts...So before you post things such as this, I suggest that you learn to not get offended by others opinions. It is obvious what they said angered you but it should not. The simple fact is that Darkman and Hurriflash have nothing to prove to you...you need to learn what subjectivity is, and than come back and learn to handle others opinions.
I know they have nothing to proove but elabrating a little on why they hate such a popular and amazing game would make sense to me. I mean if you are going to use words like hate or love you should explain your strong opinion but maybe that is just me and my logic.
I am hardly offended by their opinions just simply trying to understand them.
They gave relevant reasons to why they did not like the game, and telling them to tell you their favorite games and compare them with depth was an attempt to make their opinions look less valid than yours. Simple as that.
[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]
Again, as Second Rook and I have stated, the problem with people taking others tastes out of context. First and foremost Banjo....they hav enothing to prove to you. They are saying their opinions are just that, not facts...So before you post things such as this, I suggest that you learn to not get offended by others opinions. It is obvious what they said angered you but it should not. The simple fact is that Darkman and Hurriflash have nothing to prove to you...you need to learn what subjectivity is, and than come back and learn to handle others opinions.
TheTrueMagusX1
I know they have nothing to proove but elabrating a little on why they hate such a popular and amazing game would make sense to me. I mean if you are going to use words like hate or love you should explain your strong opinion but maybe that is just me and my logic.
I am hardly offended by their opinions just simply trying to understand them.
They gave relevant reasons to why they did not like the game, and telling them to tell you their favorite games and compare them with depth was an attempt to make their opinions look less valid than yours. Simple as that.
No it definately was an attempt to understand their opinion and disect their opinion to figure out the logic. Hate is a strong emotion and they did not explain why they feel so strongly other than it was boring but did not ellaborate why. If in understanding their opinion and critique it I make their opinion "less valid" so be it as long as I obtain an answer and understanding.
[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"] I think sites like IGN, where they post articles claiming that Metroid Prime and Citizen Kane are exactly the same, and I mean exactly, not the equivalent but they are exactly the same. Second_RookI'm going to have to take a look at that one... sounds a bit silly to me. Ive found alot of game reviews to be biased, and pretty dumb actually, and I can give some examples too.
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[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
I know they have nothing to proove but elabrating a little on why they hate such a popular and amazing game would make sense to me. I mean if you are going to use words like hate or love you should explain your strong opinion but maybe that is just me and my logic.
I am hardly offended by their opinions just simply trying to understand them.
Banjo_Kongfooie
They gave relevant reasons to why they did not like the game, and telling them to tell you their favorite games and compare them with depth was an attempt to make their opinions look less valid than yours. Simple as that.
No it definately was an attempt to understand their opinion and disect their opinion to figure out the logic. Hate is a strong emotion and they did not explain why they feel so strongly other than it was boring but did not ellaborate why. If in understanding their opinion and critique it I make their opinion "less valid" so be it as long as I obtain an answer and understanding.
I never once said I "hated" the game, I said I didn't like it too much and just couldnt get into it.[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]
[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
I know they have nothing to proove but elabrating a little on why they hate such a popular and amazing game would make sense to me. I mean if you are going to use words like hate or love you should explain your strong opinion but maybe that is just me and my logic.
I am hardly offended by their opinions just simply trying to understand them.
Banjo_Kongfooie
They gave relevant reasons to why they did not like the game, and telling them to tell you their favorite games and compare them with depth was an attempt to make their opinions look less valid than yours. Simple as that.
No it definately was an attempt to understand their opinion and disect their opinion to figure out the logic. Hate is a strong emotion and they did not explain why they feel so strongly other than it was boring but did not ellaborate why. If in understanding their opinion and critique it I make their opinion "less valid" so be it as long as I obtain an answer and understanding.
No it was not, it was an attempt to invalidate, and as DarkMan said, neither one of them used the word hate, infact even one of them gave the game some credit where he felt it was. Donot sugar coat your intentions own to what you say, and again they disliked the game, but they gave no bold statements nor did they make their opinions fact. Simple as that.
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Im one of the people who disliked it, I got quite bored playing it
hurriflash
I hate that game too. I found it just cosmetics repetitive and dull. Great presentation, true, but can be said for this game Form oversizes substance and very slow in large ways. Very overrated and disappointing game
Seems like your the one trying to invalidate the game... The poster I qouted used the word hate.
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
Im one of the people who disliked it, I got quite bored playing it
Banjo_Kongfooie
I hate that game too. I found it just cosmetics repetitive and dull. Great presentation, true, but can be said for this game Form oversizes substance and very slow in large ways. Very overrated and disappointing game
Seems like your the one trying to invalidate the game... The poster I qouted used the word hate.
he may have, but I certainly didn't, because while I never managed to to like it , I can see the appeal (I have a similar attitude to the Zelda series)[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"][QUOTE="hurriflash"]
I hate that game too. I found it just cosmetics repetitive and dull. Great presentation, true, but can be said for this game Form oversizes substance and very slow in large ways. Very overrated and disappointing game
Darkman2007
Seems like your the one trying to invalidate the game... The poster I qouted used the word hate.
he may have, but I certainly didn't, because while I never managed to to like it , I can see the appeal (I have a similar attitude to the Zelda series)Well my first statement was why you guys did not like it. My second statement was dirrected specifically at him.
he may have, but I certainly didn't, because while I never managed to to like it , I can see the appeal (I have a similar attitude to the Zelda series)[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
Seems like your the one trying to invalidate the game... The poster I qouted used the word hate.
Banjo_Kongfooie
Well my first statement was why you guys did not like it. My second statement was dirrected specifically at him.
Simple fact is that, you contradicted yourself, and that while the quote you had missing hate, I was wrong in that sense, but still your attempts to invalidate opinions are quite silly, as they are logically opinions. But yet you defend some one against the very thing your doing in another thread...
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] he may have, but I certainly didn't, because while I never managed to to like it , I can see the appeal (I have a similar attitude to the Zelda series)TheTrueMagusX1
Well my first statement was why you guys did not like it. My second statement was dirrected specifically at him.
Simple fact is that, you contradicted yourself, and that while the quote you had missing hate, I was wrong in that sense, but still your attempts to invalidate opinions are quite silly, as they are logically opinions. But yet you defend some one against the very thing your doing in another thread...
How is his opinion logical or justified if he refuses to explain his "hate" for Vagrant Story.
If you feel that strongly about something you should have to explain why because just stating I hate this game is flame bait pure and simple
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[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
Well my first statement was why you guys did not like it. My second statement was dirrected specifically at him.
Banjo_Kongfooie
Simple fact is that, you contradicted yourself, and that while the quote you had missing hate, I was wrong in that sense, but still your attempts to invalidate opinions are quite silly, as they are logically opinions. But yet you defend some one against the very thing your doing in another thread...
How is his opinion logical or justified if he refuses to explain his "hate" for Vagrant Story.
If you feel that strongly about something you should have to explain why because just stating I hate this game is flame bait pure and simple
You should learn what is flame bait and what is not. He actually validated his opinion, and you make it look all he said was "I hate the game". However what you conveniently seemed to ignore is that he gave some valid reasons as to why he did not like the game. He did say he hated the game, yes I concede that however, his reasonings while brief were valid and justifiable. That was not flame bait, if it was something like "Teh game Sucks, and only nerds play it." or something insulting like that, that is flame bait. What he said was justifiable opinion, and as I have stated you, have contradicted yourself in both this thread and the other. I suggest you learn what real flame bait is and what a justifable opinion is as well.
Well I am fine with it I just wanted a more in depth opinion. I mean it is the 2nd greatest A-RPG of all time according to critics (behind Mass Effect 2) and in many peoples opinion is the best ARPG in general.
Well I am fine with it I just wanted a more in depth opinion. I mean it is the 2nd greatest A-RPG of all time according to critics (behind Mass Effect 2) and in many peoples opinion is the best ARPG in general.Banjo_Kongfooiewell if you want to know the reason I didn't like it so much , it was a combination of me finding the combat boring, as well as the whole atmosphere which felt quite dreary to me, even compared to some RPGs like Panzer Saga and Final Fantasy 8 . I also wasn't fond of the whole presentation of it, though admittedly it was very strong in the technical department. that said I can see the appeal, so I can understand why people like it. and as advice, I wouldnt listen to the critics too much , I can find you more then a few examples of bias in them that really makes me wonder why people rely on them. personally I will read them , but I take everything I read there with a pinch of salt.
Well I am fine with it I just wanted a more in depth opinion. I mean it is the 2nd greatest A-RPG of all time according to critics (behind Mass Effect 2) and in many peoples opinion is the best ARPG in general.Banjo_Kongfooie
As Darkman says, the Critics are not the all gaming authority. and personally I disagree with Critics. Let them say what they want about Vagrant Story, Personally I like the game, but what other people say and critics are not definitive answers as their are not any defintiive answers to such questions. My fave game of all time is Xenogears, and most people I know around me never heard of the game. I know people who donto like it, but I am accepting of that. Because we all have different tastes..I suggest you learn that...
I personally do not care what the critics say. I like the game due to my personal experience with the game and that's all. Not everyone is going to feel the same way as I or the critics.Well I am fine with it I just wanted a more in depth opinion. I mean it is the 2nd greatest A-RPG of all time according to critics (behind Mass Effect 2) and in many peoples opinion is the best ARPG in general.
Banjo_Kongfooie
I personally do not care what the critics say. I like the game due to my personal experience with the game and that's all. Not everyone is going to feel the same way as I or the critics. exactly my point, and I never understand why people would ever consider what the gaming press thinks as absolute fact. its opinion , no better then if you or me wrote a review of a game, as long as its well written , its decent. sadly alot of reviews, from the gaming press or not , are not well written , hence why I tend to look at game videos etc, something made easier by the likes of youtube and such[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
Well I am fine with it I just wanted a more in depth opinion. I mean it is the 2nd greatest A-RPG of all time according to critics (behind Mass Effect 2) and in many peoples opinion is the best ARPG in general.
jasonharris48
[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]I personally do not care what the critics say. I like the game due to my personal experience with the game and that's all. Not everyone is going to feel the same way as I or the critics. exactly my point, and I never understand why people would ever consider what the gaming press thinks as absolute fact. its opinion , no better then if you or me wrote a review of a game, as long as its well written , its decent. sadly alot of reviews, from the gaming press or not , are not well written , hence why I tend to look at game videos etc, something made easier by the likes of youtube and such[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]
Well I am fine with it I just wanted a more in depth opinion. I mean it is the 2nd greatest A-RPG of all time according to critics (behind Mass Effect 2) and in many peoples opinion is the best ARPG in general.
Darkman2007
Exactly, I personaly think that this is a problem with gamers. As stated earliers gamers complain about not being accepted, but than they act all strange on forums and than they wonder why gaming is not taken seriously.
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