Violent videogames in our culture and those who oppose them

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#1 bark00000
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After reading the Gamespot article on the recent court case attempting to ban the sale of violent videogames to minors I had to seriously consider whether this was right or not.

On the one hand, I don't want my 4 year old playing grandtheftauto or call of duty... doing so would personally be a poor reflection on my parenting.

On the other hand, is it really the responsibility of the rest of the world to shelter my child from anything I deem "unpleasant"?

If someone swears around my son, am I going to have a fit and take him to court trying to ban swearing? of course not. I would simply let my son know that swearing is not right, and if my son started to swear because of that I would deal with that accordingly.

I feel it is up to parents to expose or shelter their children, not everyone elses. If you don't want them to play violent game, don't let them!

Whether you like it or not there are parents out there who think differently and have NO problem with their child playing violent games. Does my right to shelter my children somehow overrule their right to expose them? No. Therefore I have no right to try and stop them

your thoughts?

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#2 LikeHaterade
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The issue isn't violence in video games, it's parenting. Why don't we get rid of all rated-R movies while we're at it? Parents need to do a better job at keeping their children away from what they deem to be too violent for their age.
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#3 bark00000
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Yup, exactly what I was saying
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#4 muthsera666
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Personally, I don't have a problem with businesses enforcing the ratings; it's the same with enforcing movie ratings.
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#5 garathe_den
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It's the parents' responsibility to monitor what kind of games their child purchases. It's not like TV is any different either, as I have seen loads of people influenced by shows or movies that glorify violence and use what they've seen in reality.
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#6 bark00000
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No doubt there have been people influenced by whats on TV and in games, but if you were to count all the shows on every channel in every country every day for a year, then put them up against the amount of media inspired crimes I am pretty sure you would be able to logically deduce that media is not responsible. I would say that for there to be an actual problem (enough of one to warrant government intervention that is), more than say 20-30% of violent crimes must be directly related to media influence (same as any side effect to over the counter drug or banned substance legislature)
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#7 bark00000
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Personally, I don't have a problem with businesses enforcing the ratings; it's the same with enforcing movie ratings.muthsera666
You seriously don't have a problem with someone else saying what you can and cannot watch? I am canadian but for the purposes of this I am going to assume you are like the majority on this site and are american. I thought you yanks were all gungho about your whole # amendment rights and that nobody should be able to control anything you do blah blah blah.
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#8 muthsera666
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[QUOTE="muthsera666"]Personally, I don't have a problem with businesses enforcing the ratings; it's the same with enforcing movie ratings.bark00000
You seriously don't have a problem with someone else saying what you can and cannot watch? I am canadian but for the purposes of this I am going to assume you are like the majority on this site and are american. I thought you yanks were all gungho about your whole # amendment rights and that nobody should be able to control anything you do blah blah blah.

If a 15-year-old isn't allowed to buy R-Rated movies, then a 15-year-old shouldn't be allowed to buy a M-Rated game. Once the person is of a reasonable age to purchase the item for him/herself, then that's fine. Or, if the parents feel the child is mature enough to handle the content, then I'm fine with that as well.
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#9 DecadesOfGaming
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I agree, but if we are honest, we all used to watch 18 rated videos when we were teens.. part of the fun was getting hold of em. if kids want to watch something, they will always come up with a plan.. As far as wrapping kids in cotton wool goes, kids need to learn the effects of violence at a earlie age, they should all learn some sort of self defence whilst very young, or at least be made to fight for their pocket money or their meals ! lol

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#10 icy06
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I dont think it is the job of government to censor what we do. If parents don't want their children to watch / play something then its their responsibility to stop them.

This system as it is doesn't work anyway. Its suprising how many parents will buy their 12 yr old son GTA.. etc

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#11 DEADMART
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I agree completely. It all boils down to good/bad parenting. Whether or not games are violent goes back to the old dungeons and dragons arguments. My friend lets his 5 year old play gta, cod nazi zombies, etc., and then he wonders why his kid has such a violent streak towards his sister. My kids know I have games like cod, mk vs. dc, etc; but they have never seen the games being played and they won't until they are much much older. Personally I think that kids should still have the innocence that childhood allows. Let them be kids and wait until they grow up to discover the world as it really is. There are more than enough games that are fun for a child without the need to blow something up or make something bleed.
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#12 guitarhero323
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i turned out fine and my first video game experience was when i was five and i played goldeneye and turak with my dad
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#13 muthsera666
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I agree completely. It all boils down to good/bad parenting. Whether or not games are violent goes back to the old dungeons and dragons arguments. My friend lets his 5 year old play gta, cod nazi zombies, etc., and then he wonders why his kid has such a violent streak towards his sister. My kids know I have games like cod, mk vs. dc, etc; but they have never seen the games being played and they won't until they are much much older. Personally I think that kids should still have the innocence that childhood allows. Let them be kids and wait until they grow up to discover the world as it really is. There are more than enough games that are fun for a child without the need to blow something up or make something bleed.DEADMART
This. /thread
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#14 DJ-Lafleur
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Hmph, if only more parents would be more responsible over what they get their children, the government wouldn't be interfering.

But the responsibilty should be the parent's on whether they get their child a violent game or not. If they do get the violent game for their child, and the child does some stupid, violent crap, then the parents should be getting blamed, not the game.

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#15 Ish_basic
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Hmph, if only more parents would be more responsible over what they get their children, the government wouldn't be interfering.

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I would argue that if the ESA spent more money on lobbying, then the government wouldn't be interfering. I really don't think this issue is what it is because anyone in Washington cares about little Bobby and Suzie...at least not in any extraordinary sense. If that were the case, there'd be a larger push for real protections such as guaranteed medical coverage for children under a certain age.

Videogames are just a safe platform that politicians can use to pander to certain constituencies without fear of damage to their campaign - for example, you don't go after gun laws, because the NRA will wage a multi-million dollar ad campaign against you. Currently there's a lot of videogame illiteracy and politicians can pretty much say whatever they want to get the reaction they want from the soccer moms and nascar dads, with no one the wiser...except us. But then, we don't head to polls as gamers (nor should we, in my view), so they're not concerned about the few million people that know they're full of it.

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#16 PlayBox39
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I agree with what everyone in this thread has said.

It's up to the PARENTS and not anyone else.

Whatever happend to responsibilty?

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#17 Black_Knight_00
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If more parents were vigilant about what their kids play we wouldn't need to enforce a rating.
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#18 webbut
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Its all about the explanation that somethings that may be acceptable in a game are not in Real life. People who push for censorship in games should instead push for better communication between parents and their children.
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#19 Gastman
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I think it up to the parent on that there kids should be playing. A 4 or an 8 year old shouldn't have no business playing games like GTA IV, Call of Duty, Resident Evil, and Left 4 Dead. The only company that is kid friendly is Nintedno because some of there games are aim for kids while adult gamers are more into Xbox 360 and PS3.
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#20 MagicHat1
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As parents are not doing that part of their job properly, not allowing the game to be sold to those below age would stave off the critics. If the child is mature enough then the parents can buy it instead or the child will find another way around it but the game makers can just shrug off any accusations by pointing out someone is breaking the law, why not complain to the lawbreaker?
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#21 Treflis
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Finally I've found a parent that understands what I've been saying all along regarding Violent videogames and children.
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#22 calvinsora
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The fact is is that it's hard for a kid to buy a violent game, and then keep it hidden from their parents. I was in a game store a few years ago and remember a kid who was with his parents, picking a game. He couldn't be any older than 12, and his mother went ahead and said: "What about this game?" and had a copy of GTA:SA in her hands. As much as I wanted to alert the parent, it was totally their decision. This isn't the main problem either. Kids should be responsible enough to understand that they shouldn't be playing these games but that rarely happens. Ultimately, the games themselves aren't the problem, it's the people who just shrug and look the other way when children are playing them. Like someone has noted, if violent games were banned, not much time would pass until R-rated movies become banned as well. That won't go down as easily, will it?
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#23 bark00000
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So here is a thought...

Who is to decide what is kid frendly? Who decided that limbs being blown off or decappitation is not kid frendly? while those things are indeed unpleasant, I know plenty of kids who could see them and not even bat an eye.

Sesame Street is no longer kid friendly today for a number of reasons that 20 years ago would have gone unnoticed (notice how it switched to sesame park? thats because they didn't want to encourage playing in the streets). And what about the gay ernie and bert thing? that was a simple joke that some crazy parents decided to take seriously...

Now look at telitubbies. It is a technicolor dream world where nobody wears clothes. Not only that, but they all speak very poor english and mispronounce words! what kind of parent would let their kids watch a show that actually DUMBS THEM DOWN?

So who is making the decisions about what is kid friendly and why should their opinion matter more than mine?

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Now look at telitubbies. It is a technicolor dream world where nobody wears clothes. Not only that, but they all speak very poor english and mispronounce words! what kind of parent would let their kids watch a show that actually DUMBS THEM DOWN?bark00000

I thought the Teletubbies were canceled a long time ago... As far as who should decide? I don't know. But there are standards of decency that should be maintained for many people. I don't really care who you are, a young child should not be playing Painkiller and watching bodies disintegrate as you run around with a saw blade spinning in front of you. I'm not a parent, but I would take the ratings into consideration. I wouldn't show The Boondock Saints to my three-year-old, but my fifteen-year-old, maybe.

But I don't think children should have free reign to choose to watch whatever they want. I don't want someone to sell GTAIV to a twelve-year-old. I want them to be carded. I want games that are mature to only be sold to mature individuals. If I decide that my child is mature enough to handle the content and subject matter, that is my decision as the parent; that is the reason my child is a child.

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#25 garathe_den
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[QUOTE="bark00000"]Now look at telitubbies. It is a technicolor dream world where nobody wears clothes. Not only that, but they all speak very poor english and mispronounce words! what kind of parent would let their kids watch a show that actually DUMBS THEM DOWN?muthsera666

I thought the Teletubbies were canceled a long time ago... As far as who should decide? I don't know. But there are standards of decency that should be maintained for many people. I don't really care who you are, a young child should not be playing Painkiller and watching bodies disintegrate as you run around with a saw blade spinning in front of you. I'm not a parent, but I would take the ratings into consideration. I wouldn't show The Boondock Saints to my three-year-old, but my fifteen-year-old, maybe.

But I don't think children should have free reign to choose to watch whatever they want. I don't want someone to sell GTAIV to a twelve-year-old. I want them to be carded. I want games that are mature to only be sold to mature individuals. If I decide that my child is mature enough to handle the content and subject matter, that is my decision as the parent; that is the reason my child is a child.

Yeah mature individuals...some can handle games with restrictions, others are just too easily influenced.

But it shouldn't be able to affect everyone else, what with banning games and discontinuing them.

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#26 MagicHat1
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I'm not saying ban the games, I'm saying make it illegal for a store to sell GTA to someone under the age limit in same way cinema's are not allowed to show Tiny Tim the Full Monty or BloodRayne.
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#27 muthsera666
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I'm not saying ban the games, I'm saying make it illegal for a store to sell GTA to someone under the age limit in same way cinema's are not allowed to show Tiny Tim the Full Monty or BloodRayne. MagicHat1
Or enforce buying games the same way that buying movies is enforced. I agree.
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#28 bark00000
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I thought the Teletubbies were canceled a long time ago..

muthsera666

oop, you are right there. sorry neither of my kids have watched that show so I don't know.

my point still remains valid tho

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#29 ferugie
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I'm not sure how it works in Canada BUT in the states those ratings only apply to minors. They are put there to make sure that kids cant go behind their parent's backs and purchase games (or see movies) they're not supposed to see. The ratings have little to no affect on ADULT shoppers.