We need new great original game ideas

Every game has to draw influence from another, and I'm not talking about like creating a new genre. We just need a shooter that changes the mechanics, an rpg with new levels of depth. Honestly it just feels like the front page of this website is covered with sequels. No ones even trying to do anything pushing the bounds a little bit and I'm beginning to lose faith in the gaming industry. The few bastions of hope thatre left are slowly just fading out.

New and great isn't something thats always good, yes we don't want to see aother CoD MW 4.0 or w/e. If you look at what games have already done the past 10 years not a lot can be new and exciting.

new great original game ideals are found in the detail more than the over all game. It is a danger to go into large parts. This gen have made a huge jump in level design.

New is too risky. If all game companies tried something "new", all the games would be hit or miss. Which isn't good for the industry. mrmusicman247

Cursed Crusade doesn't seem like it will be a simple crusades game, it seems like it will have a demonic theme too it. Not too many 3rd person action fantasy/sword games these days

Gun Loco, um... can't get more "original" than that

El Shaddia: Ascension of the Metatron is being based off of the Book of Enoch, no game has done that yet and the art style looks very unique

Rage looks original although I don't know much about the story yet

Shadows of the Damned, while it does look generic such as "I have to save my girlfriend from the evil demons and I can do it because I have an accent which makes me cool" but Suda 51 and Shinji Mikami is a good team and I have faith in them.

There are plenty of unique/original indie games out there, but there are some very good reasons why we don't see many mainstream titles trying anything new.

Mainstream games need high production values in order to have any impact in the super-competitive console market, which means that they need to spend a ton on graphics, voice actors, marketing, etc (which also leads to the side effect of having shorter and less complex games, depending on a company's resources) . In order to make up for these huge costs, the games themselves need to be 'safe bets' - big companies aren't going to risk millions of dollars on an experimental game, especially when generic shooters (like Call of Duty) can make upwards of $500 million every year.

So while I agree that the amout of sequels coming out is insane at the moment, that's simply the best way to make money at the moment, and so that's what we'll keep seeing.

You mean like LittleBigPlanet, Braid, Portal, da Blob and Spore?

Original ideas are out there (new IPs or novel concepts) but there is an overwhelming volume of sequels that gives the illusion that they do not exist. The Top 10 Most Popular titles (on the bottom of GS Home Page) on any given day have 8/10 sequels, most of which are derivative FPS, MMOs, or platformers; but you do get the occasional new idea.

You just have to look hard, and usually in the Indie section or on Flash game sites.

Boz

*Edit* Also, what Planeforger said.

40k babysitting anyone? who here would buy into such an idea.. for the lulz

None of you got what I was saying, so shame on all of you. Especially the people who said this was best for the industry and making money, cause it isn't. These games aren't going to be, "experiments," they just need to attempt to do something new and or different that sets them apart from a crowd. An average shooter with added depth in the form of something that the developers had envisioned instead of just copying the cod 4 formula will sell better than something like say, homefront. The fact of the matter is, is that some developers are literally just copying anothers ideas and putting new graphics and faces on it. This lack of creativity, in a field that was meant to be creative, is something that we should be afraid of. Also people who said I should look at indie games or flash games need to realize that those kind of games don't have the production values to be a great game. Great games are worked on by teams of dedicated individuals who love what they are making, and what I think would be a great step in the direction of better games would be to allow more employee feedback into the production of games, instead of telling them what to do. I guess what I'm trying to really say is, EA and Activision need to get out of here, seriously. They are bringing us all down on the real. Someone mentioned spore before, and while that is a great example of an original game, think about how shallow that game was. If Will Wright had truly done with that game what he wanted to, I honestly think it would of been so much deeper and an overall better game. Even Bioware lost some of its charm signing with EA, I'm not a fan of the second dragon age at all.

I'm realizing that what I said about Indie games not being great is an ignorant statement, I wanted to say that they cannot be great games on a mainstream perspective.

Sequels have always been prevalent in the games industry...that's nothing new. Publishers don't want to just sink money into a single expensive title made from a new IP, they want that IP to be succussful so that they can nurture that new IP into a successful franchise.

As others have said there's tons and tons of indie games where people are trying new and creative ideas (albeit on a much smaller scale than a AAA title with a publisher).

Okay, I'll go to the original idea tree... oh wait.

I agree that gaming could use some new ideas, but old ones that are redone work as well.

We just need people to finally get sick of online shooters.  Once they stop selling well publishers will have to turn their efforts to other genres.  That right there should solve most of the problems with the stagnation and homogenization of the industry, and the new ideas will follow.

I'll keep it straight and to the point...As Video Games become more and more casual, profitable and complex. The chances of getting a company to financially commit to a new IP that changes things up become more and more slim.

I'm not saying that I'm ok with this, but unfortunately I've come to terms with reality.

If you want to see the great ideals then you need to look at the tiny details in game. They are the ideal that other game developers pick up and work off. This is mainly the AAA games mind you. Also it is best to find these ideals are in squeals since new IP are never willing to try new ideals.

Lastly, FPS have made a number of leaps this gen and is the one the genre that have improved the most.

If you want to see the great ideals then you need to look at the tiny details in game. They are the ideal that other game developers pick up and work off. This is mainly the AAA games mind you. Also it is best to find these ideals are in squeals since new IP are never willing to try new ideals.

Lastly, FPS have made a number of leaps this gen and is the one the genre that have improved the most.

wiouds

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If you want to see the great ideals then you need to look at the tiny details in game. They are the ideal that other game developers pick up and work off. This is mainly the AAA games mind you. Also it is best to find these ideals are in squeals since new IP are never willing to try new ideals.

Lastly, FPS have made a number of leaps this gen and is the one the genre that have improved the most.

The_Last_Ride

Please tell me why it is generic?

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"][QUOTE="wiouds"]

If you want to see the great ideals then you need to look at the tiny details in game. They are the ideal that other game developers pick up and work off. This is mainly the AAA games mind you. Also it is best to find these ideals are in squeals since new IP are never willing to try new ideals.

Lastly, FPS have made a number of leaps this gen and is the one the genre that have improved the most.

wiouds

Please tell me why it is generic?

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[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"] The FPS genre has become more generic imhoThe_Last_Ride

Please tell me why it is generic?

FPS shooter have push their level design to give players options while still allowing the game developers to have control over the staging. Many FPS games have new ideals for level design.

Guys, this this thread is from 2011. Seriously, do people just read the title and think they know what the hell is happening in the thread?

We need a good game; regardless of originality or innovation.

Guys, this this thread is from 2011. Seriously, do people just read the title and think they know what the hell is happening in the thread?

Hatiko

Damn it, well it's still a good topic for discussion.

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Guys, this this thread is from 2011. Seriously, do people just read the title and think they know what the hell is happening in the thread?

Goyoshi12

Damn it, well it's still a good topic for discussion.

It is a good topic, I just don't think we should support Level 1 Thread Necromancers.

A cheerleader game!

Every game has to draw influence from another, and I'm not talking about like creating a new genre. We just need a shooter that changes the mechanics, an rpg with new levels of depth. Honestly it just feels like the front page of this website is covered with sequels. No ones even trying to do anything pushing the bounds a little bit and I'm beginning to lose faith in the gaming industry. The few bastions of hope thatre left are slowly just fading out.

bladefxff

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"][QUOTE="wiouds"]

Please tell me why it is generic?

wiouds

FPS shooter have push their level design to give players options while still allowing the game developers to have control over the staging. Many FPS games have new ideals for level design.

[QUOTE="wiouds"]

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"] Because almost all of them follow the same recipe and haven't changedThe_Last_Ride

FPS shooter have push their level design to give players options while still allowing the game developers to have control over the staging. Many FPS games have new ideals for level design.

It's always good to take chances and try something new. That's how we got game changers like Mario 64, Metal Gear Solid, Zelda, etc. But there has to be a balance between knowing when to take risks and knowing when not to reinvent the wheel or fix something that doesn't need fixing.

I was never interested in FPS for example until I tried Bioshock. Games like The Walking Dead that took click and point to the next level. Journey for it's non violent gameplay and unique co-op. Mass Effect for it's decision making. Dark Souls for it's grueling gameplay. Even Kingdoms Of Amular or Dragon's Dogma for their combat mechanics. I'd rather see new IP's taking risks rather than seeing another COD or Madden game.

Every game has to draw influence from another, and I'm not talking about like creating a new genre. We just need a shooter that changes the mechanics, an rpg with new levels of depth. Honestly it just feels like the front page of this website is covered with sequels. No ones even trying to do anything pushing the bounds a little bit and I'm beginning to lose faith in the gaming industry. The few bastions of hope thatre left are slowly just fading out.

bladefxff

[QUOTE="wiouds"]

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"] Because almost all of them follow the same recipe and haven't changedThe_Last_Ride

FPS shooter have push their level design to give players options while still allowing the game developers to have control over the staging. Many FPS games have new ideals for level design.

What does that have to do with anything? Less Linear does not mean a game is better. Most of Far Cry 3's shootouts were not that good.

Most current FPS gives the player more option than older games. The first level of Fire Warrior (PS2) was just narrow trenches. In CoD Black Ops 2, there were more way to get through the levels than what was in Fire Warrior.

As I said Far Cry 3s shootouts were not good. This comes from the fact that you can come from any directions and the game developers can not make the good shootout from all directions. The best they can do is place you in a bottle neck and force you down a more linear path like Borderlands.

Current FPS does a better job at give the player option while giving the developers the power to make the be shootouts they can.

[QUOTE="wiouds"]

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"] Because almost all of them follow the same recipe and haven't changedThe_Last_Ride

FPS shooter have push their level design to give players options while still allowing the game developers to have control over the staging. Many FPS games have new ideals for level design.

What does that have to do with anything? Less Linear does not mean a game is better. Most of Far Cry 3's shootouts were not that good. In a shooter I want the best shootout I can get even if that mean that I can not explore in singleplayer.

Most current FPS gives the player more option than older games. The first level of Fire Warrior (PS2) was just narrow trenches. In CoD Black Ops 2, there were more way to get through the levels than what was in Fire Warrior.

As I said Far Cry 3s shootouts were not good. This comes from the fact that you can come from any directions and the game developers can not make the good shootout from all directions. The best they can do is place you in a bottle neck and force you down a more linear path like Borderlands.

Current FPS does a better job at give the player option while still  giving the developers the power to make the best shootouts they can.

I don't really think we need "new" ideas, just creative ones. A lot of games that are well known and recognized within the community are really not that innovative at all. Half-Life takes so many influences from the movie Alien and the game Doom, but it gets praised for it's innovative "scripted events" or "immersion." Scripted events have already been in many previous games before HL, HL just simply makes it more dramatic like a movie. This "never losing control over the player" just makes me feel like they slightly improved upon what Doom did, but just made it more realistic without having to exit the level. But does that mean it's a bad game? No, it's not.

Even a lot of my favorite games are not innovative. I love Duke 3D, but Duke Nukem is obviously the video game version of Arnold Schwarzenegger with some adjustments. Does that make him bland? No, he's cool and 3D Realms did a good job for creating such a character.

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Every game has to draw influence from another, and I'm not talking about like creating a new genre. We just need a shooter that changes the mechanics, an rpg with new levels of depth. Honestly it just feels like the front page of this website is covered with sequels. No ones even trying to do anything pushing the bounds a little bit and I'm beginning to lose faith in the gaming industry. The few bastions of hope thatre left are slowly just fading out.

Rattlesnake_8

I have tons of great ideas. I am a gaming design genius. (true story)

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"][QUOTE="wiouds"]

FPS shooter have push their level design to give players options while still allowing the game developers to have control over the staging. Many FPS games have new ideals for level design.

jsmoke03