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#1 luckykoopsie
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I used to speedrun mario 64 but I havent been keeping up with my skill and I cant really dedicate the time to it that i used to. But i used to be able to beat it 100% in about three and a half hours, and beat it with 16 stars in 30 min. If I didnt die at all i could probably beat it faster but i cant practice like i used to.

 

I enjoy speedrunning certain games because while you're in that state of flow, its so much adrenaline until you mess up.

 

But yeah what games does the community like to speed run?

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Sonic Generations, specifically for Modern Planet Wisp. My world ranking usually hovers around #25.

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#4 nameless12345
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I tried to do a Kaizo Mario and "I wanna be the guy" speedrun.

It didn't work out well...

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#5 AbstractRadical
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I have never done one, I tend to like to take it easy while I play a game.
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#6 ZachMasta
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sonic generations, super metroid, garou motw
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8 bit Mega Man games, try to finish them ASAP.

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#8 RobbHunter
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Resident Evil 1 and Ocarina of Time
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#9 veolyn
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I have never done one, I tend to like to take it easy while I play a game.AbstractRadical
Well yeah, you don't do a speedrun on your first playthrough. Speedruns are for when you've played a game a ton and want to take your skill to the next level.

Anyways, Sonic games are always great for it. I love speedrunning Sonic Colors. I also like doing Time Attack in racing games but I'm not sure if that counts.

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#10 Samslayer
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Resident Evil 3 I don't know why I just thought it was so much fun!

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#11 Eduspcloud
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The Donkey Kong Country trilogy on SNES. The secret is toalways move forward. I got 1 hour to get K.Rool in DKC 2 one day.

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The games that I speedrun are usually games in which I need to meet some criteria to unlock something. Resident Evil 2 I beat Claire's A scenario in about 2 hours and 20 minutes to unlock Hunk and Tofu (that was also with no saves or First Aid sprays).

Otherwise, I did speedruns of most of the Silent Hill games so I could get the multiple endings. I beat SH1 four times, SH2 five times, SH3 twice, Shattered Memories twice.

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The Donkey Kong Country trilogy on SNES. The secret is toalways move forward. I got 1 hour to get K.Rool in DKC 2 one day.

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#14 Eduspcloud
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[QUOTE="Eduspcloud"]

The Donkey Kong Country trilogy on SNES. The secret is toalways move forward. I got 1 hour to get K.Rool in DKC 2 one day.

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respect.

 

Thank You. One more tip: If you don't die, you can get this time :) [or less if you're lucky]

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#15 JigglyWiggly_
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I only speedrun multiplayer

 (that's rapha, from esr)

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Sometimes the first Super Mario Bros for the nes.

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I generally dislike doing speed runs, but I've had fun with RE2 and Doom 3 doing them. 

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I only speedrun multiplayer

 (that's rapha, from esr)

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multi player games are too easy to speedrun ex. timesplitters future perfect. jigglywiggly, go home.

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Resident Evil 2, since it led to me discovering the game lasts only about two hours if you know where to go. The Sonic games on the Genesis are speedruns of themselves :P I also did a go-through-the-game-as-fast-as-possible with Valkyria Chronicles 2, skipping all the cutscenes and everything. Guess what? It still took me nearly 20 hours. I love that game so much.
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Resident Evil 2, since it led to me discovering the game lasts only about two hours if you know where to go. The Sonic games on the Genesis are speedruns of themselves :P I also did a go-through-the-game-as-fast-as-possible with Valkyria Chronicles 2, skipping all the cutscenes and everything. Guess what? It still took me nearly 20 hours. I love that game so much.Spinnerweb

Yeah, saying you "speedrun" a Sonic game is like saying you speedrun a racing game.

As mentioned in my previous post, my record in RE2 is about 2:20. This was necessary to unlock Hunk and Tofu. The annoying thing at the time was that every strategy guide had a different idea of exactly what was required in order to do that. Some guides said no saves, other said no more than 2. Same goes for health sprays. In the end we erred on the side of caution and went with zero for both. It took two attempts.

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Super Metroid.

every time I play, I notice my time goes down a bunch.
but then i see youtube vids where guys are so good, they can use exploits like the bomb to reach places earlier than you're supposed to and do the game in different order etc, and I realize just how limitted my skills are lol

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[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]Resident Evil 2, since it led to me discovering the game lasts only about two hours if you know where to go. The Sonic games on the Genesis are speedruns of themselves :P I also did a go-through-the-game-as-fast-as-possible with Valkyria Chronicles 2, skipping all the cutscenes and everything. Guess what? It still took me nearly 20 hours. I love that game so much.Byshop

Yeah, saying you "speedrun" a Sonic game is like saying you speedrun a racing game.

As mentioned in my previous post, my record in RE2 is about 2:20. This was necessary to unlock Hunk and Tofu. The annoying thing at the time was that every strategy guide had a different idea of exactly what was required in order to do that. Some guides said no saves, other said no more than 2. Same goes for health sprays. In the end we erred on the side of caution and went with zero for both. It took two attempts.

-Byshop

So memorizing every corner of every zone, having quick reaction times, and ranking among the best somehow doesn't equate to a speedrun? Hmm, news to me. I have more respect for someone that has insane skills and can do things like beat emerald hill under 20 seconds, beat modern planet wisp under three minutes, and can take advantage of all the glitches of every level to create unreal shortcuts than someone playing a slow game like resident evil.

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#23 Eduspcloud
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Super Metroid.

every time I play, I notice my time goes down a bunch.
but then i see youtube vids where guys are so good, they can use exploits like the bomb to reach places earlier than you're supposed to and do the game in different order etc, and I realize just how limitted my skills are lol

TheKungFool

 

haha so true.

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So memorizing every corner of every zone, having quick reaction times, and ranking among the best somehow doesn't equate to a speedrun? Hmm, news to me. I have more respect for someone that has insane skills and can do things like beat emerald hill under 20 seconds, beat modern planet wisp under three minutes, and can take advantage of all the glitches of every level to create unreal shortcuts than someone playing a slow game like resident evil.

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No.

It requires skill and is impressive, but the term "speedrun" specifically applies to playing games for speed where speed is not the inherent goal already. If I plug my G27 into my computer and re-run a Trackmania course over and over until I get one of the top 10 ranked times in the country, that's impressive, but it's not a "speedrun" since it's already a racing game and the whole point is to try to complete the track as quickly as possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedrun

A speedrun is a play-through, or recording thereof, of a whole video game or a selected part of it (such as a single level) performed with the intent of completing it as fast as possible, optionally under certain prerequisites, mainly for the purposes of entertainment and competition. The term, a compound of the words speed and run (as in "running" through a game, referring to the playing of a game) is only used in the context of games that were not originally or primarily designed with fast completion in mind (one generally does not speedrun a track in a racing game; in those cases the game's standard setting for achieving and recording fast times is called a time attack or time trial mode).

-Byshop

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its ironic that you bring up speed runs, as I'm currently frustrated by one, or parts of one.

trying to finish "Shadow of the Colossus" to 100% and unlock all the special weapons you get by doing the timed boss speed-runs, but a few of them are just spirit crushingly difficult.

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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

So memorizing every corner of every zone, having quick reaction times, and ranking among the best somehow doesn't equate to a speedrun? Hmm, news to me. I have more respect for someone that has insane skills and can do things like beat emerald hill under 20 seconds, beat modern planet wisp under three minutes, and can take advantage of all the glitches of every level to create unreal shortcuts than someone playing a slow game like resident evil.

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No.

It requires skill and is impressive, but the term "speedrun" specifically applies to playing games for speed where speed is not the inherent goal already. If I plug my G27 into my computer and re-run a Trackmania course over and over until I get one of the top 10 ranked times in the country, that's impressive, but it's not a "speedrun" since it's already a racing game and the whole point is to try to complete the track as quickly as possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedrun

A speedrun is a play-through, or recording thereof, of a whole video game or a selected part of it (such as a single level) performed with the intent of completing it as fast as possible, optionally under certain prerequisites, mainly for the purposes of entertainment and competition. The term, a compound of the words speed and run (as in "running" through a game, referring to the playing of a game) is only used in the context of games that were not originally or primarily designed with fast completion in mind (one generally does not speedrun a track in a racing game; in those cases the game's standard setting for achieving and recording fast times is called a time attack or time trial mode).

-Byshop

lol, uh what? It is a speedrun. You are beating the game as fast as you can or you are beating each individual stage as fast as you can. By comparing Sonic to Trackmania, a racer, shows you really don't have a clue what Sonic games are about, let alone, how they play. It's a platformer, not a racing game.

Do you really think Sonic Team was expecting mastery of boost jumping or wall falling glitch mastery from the player? Please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glfx6LBbbGY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_OnPNFX_zY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmHmRF_1R0&list=FLYqpunQZFKzO1jlekbd0-Ow&index=85

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOjPFksF78&list=FLYqpunQZFKzO1jlekbd0-Ow&index=47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZeH5ApKofQ

We call these speedruns in the Sonic community.

 

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lol, uh what? It is a speedrun. You are beating the game as fast as you can or you are beating each individual stage as fast as you can. By comparing Sonic to Trackmania, a racer, shows you really don't have a clue what Sonic games are about, let alone, how they play. It's a platformer, not a racing game.

Do you really think Sonic Team was expecting mastery of boost jumping or wall falling glitch mastery from the player? Please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glfx6LBbbGY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_OnPNFX_zY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmHmRF_1R0&list=FLYqpunQZFKzO1jlekbd0-Ow&index=85

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOjPFksF78&list=FLYqpunQZFKzO1jlekbd0-Ow&index=47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZeH5ApKofQ

We call these speedruns in the Sonic community.

 

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I guess I'll say it again since you apparently missed it the first time: 

The term is only used in the context of games that were not originally or primarily designed with fast completion in mind (one generally does not speedrun a track in a racing game; in those cases the game's standard setting for achieving and recording fast times is called a time attack or time trial mode).

 

Are you telling me that speed is not the central point of playing a -Sonic- game? :lol:

Sure, it's a platformer, but it's a platformer but it's a platformer where the entire intended purpose is to speed to the end of the level as quickly as possible.

If you want to call it a speedrun, knock yourself out. It's a semantic argument and as such I really don't care.

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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

lol, uh what? It is a speedrun. You are beating the game as fast as you can or you are beating each individual stage as fast as you can. By comparing Sonic to Trackmania, a racer, shows you really don't have a clue what Sonic games are about, let alone, how they play. It's a platformer, not a racing game.

Do you really think Sonic Team was expecting mastery of boost jumping or wall falling glitch mastery from the player? Please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glfx6LBbbGY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_OnPNFX_zY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmHmRF_1R0&list=FLYqpunQZFKzO1jlekbd0-Ow&index=85

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOjPFksF78&list=FLYqpunQZFKzO1jlekbd0-Ow&index=47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZeH5ApKofQ

We call these speedruns in the Sonic community.

 

Byshop

I guess I'll say it again since you apparently missed it the first time: 

The term is only used in the context of games that were not originally or primarily designed with fast completion in mind (one generally does not speedrun a track in a racing game; in those cases the game's standard setting for achieving and recording fast times is called a time attack or time trial mode).

 

Are you telling me that speed is not the central point of playing a -Sonic- game? :lol:

Sure, it's a platformer, but it's a platformer but it's a platformer where the entire intended purpose is to speed to the end of the level as quickly as possible.

If you want to call it a speedrun, knock yourself out. It's a semantic argument and as such I really don't care.

-Byshop

Nah, I read it, and I call baloney on that wiki (lol) article. I also saw a "generally" in there, and it's primarily referring to racing games.

It encourages you to, but it's not a racer, which is again what your wiki (lol) article is primarily referring to. What is done in Sonic speedruns applies to speedrunning any game. If anything, the fast gameplay enhances the speed element of the speedrun.

By that logic, I guess you can't speedrun Mario games, or any platformer, if they have a timer which directly relates to your score.

Good, at least you acknowledge this is a pointless argument, and is a topic that you really have no knowledge about nor have any authority on.

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its ironic that you bring up speed runs, as I'm currently frustrated by one, or parts of one.

trying to finish "Shadow of the Colossus" to 100% and unlock all the special weapons you get by doing the timed boss speed-runs, but a few of them are just spirit crushingly difficult.

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Aw man I hated doing the speed-runs on Hard. Kuromori in specific was incredibly frustrating. Anyway, I'm not a huge fan of speedruns because I feel like I don't get the best out of the game, I've never actually done any speedruns in my whole gaming life (except for games that require it for something, like SOTC)
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[QUOTE="Byshop"]

[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]Resident Evil 2, since it led to me discovering the game lasts only about two hours if you know where to go. The Sonic games on the Genesis are speedruns of themselves :P I also did a go-through-the-game-as-fast-as-possible with Valkyria Chronicles 2, skipping all the cutscenes and everything. Guess what? It still took me nearly 20 hours. I love that game so much.Renegade_Fury

Yeah, saying you "speedrun" a Sonic game is like saying you speedrun a racing game.

As mentioned in my previous post, my record in RE2 is about 2:20. This was necessary to unlock Hunk and Tofu. The annoying thing at the time was that every strategy guide had a different idea of exactly what was required in order to do that. Some guides said no saves, other said no more than 2. Same goes for health sprays. In the end we erred on the side of caution and went with zero for both. It took two attempts.

-Byshop

So memorizing every corner of every zone, having quick reaction times, and ranking among the best somehow doesn't equate to a speedrun? Hmm, news to me. I have more respect for someone that has insane skills and can do things like beat emerald hill under 20 seconds, beat modern planet wisp under three minutes, and can take advantage of all the glitches of every level to create unreal shortcuts than someone playing a slow game like resident evil.

Taking advantage of glitches never equals skill.

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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

[QUOTE="Byshop"]

Yeah, saying you "speedrun" a Sonic game is like saying you speedrun a racing game.

As mentioned in my previous post, my record in RE2 is about 2:20. This was necessary to unlock Hunk and Tofu. The annoying thing at the time was that every strategy guide had a different idea of exactly what was required in order to do that. Some guides said no saves, other said no more than 2. Same goes for health sprays. In the end we erred on the side of caution and went with zero for both. It took two attempts.

-Byshop

Blueresident87

So memorizing every corner of every zone, having quick reaction times, and ranking among the best somehow doesn't equate to a speedrun? Hmm, news to me. I have more respect for someone that has insane skills and can do things like beat emerald hill under 20 seconds, beat modern planet wisp under three minutes, and can take advantage of all the glitches of every level to create unreal shortcuts than someone playing a slow game like resident evil.

Taking advantage of glitches never equals skill.

I dunno, in lots of cases it can be considered such. Like in SOTC lots of the best times are by taking advantage of glitches, yet it doesn't mean they don't have skill.
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[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

So memorizing every corner of every zone, having quick reaction times, and ranking among the best somehow doesn't equate to a speedrun? Hmm, news to me. I have more respect for someone that has insane skills and can do things like beat emerald hill under 20 seconds, beat modern planet wisp under three minutes, and can take advantage of all the glitches of every level to create unreal shortcuts than someone playing a slow game like resident evil.

Dudersaper

Taking advantage of glitches never equals skill.

I dunno, in lots of cases it can be considered such. Like in SOTC lots of the best times are by taking advantage of glitches, yet it doesn't mean they don't have skill.

I think it requires more skill to complete a game the way it was intended to be done.

Some glitches do require a lot of effort, but anybody can exploit a glitch.

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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

[QUOTE="Byshop"]

Yeah, saying you "speedrun" a Sonic game is like saying you speedrun a racing game.

As mentioned in my previous post, my record in RE2 is about 2:20. This was necessary to unlock Hunk and Tofu. The annoying thing at the time was that every strategy guide had a different idea of exactly what was required in order to do that. Some guides said no saves, other said no more than 2. Same goes for health sprays. In the end we erred on the side of caution and went with zero for both. It took two attempts.

-Byshop

Blueresident87

So memorizing every corner of every zone, having quick reaction times, and ranking among the best somehow doesn't equate to a speedrun? Hmm, news to me. I have more respect for someone that has insane skills and can do things like beat emerald hill under 20 seconds, beat modern planet wisp under three minutes, and can take advantage of all the glitches of every level to create unreal shortcuts than someone playing a slow game like resident evil.

Taking advantage of glitches never equals skill.

It does when you have to memorize where platforms are when they don't load, and so they are invisible. I do no skills/no glitch speedruns though.

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SMB3 :D

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[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

So memorizing every corner of every zone, having quick reaction times, and ranking among the best somehow doesn't equate to a speedrun? Hmm, news to me. I have more respect for someone that has insane skills and can do things like beat emerald hill under 20 seconds, beat modern planet wisp under three minutes, and can take advantage of all the glitches of every level to create unreal shortcuts than someone playing a slow game like resident evil.

Dudersaper

Taking advantage of glitches never equals skill.

I dunno, in lots of cases it can be considered such. Like in SOTC lots of the best times are by taking advantage of glitches, yet it doesn't mean they don't have skill.

It depends on the game. If the Glitch is hard to get then it might be different, but if the glitch is not that hard and doesn't take much effort to get and flights you halfway toward the screen I would not call that grounds for a speedrun. Super Mario Bros players that use the shortcuts in a speedrun I do not call a speed run because they are not speeding through the entire game as fast as they can. It's different from a shortcut in a stage that leads to a part of the same stage.
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^I mean Fly halfway through the game. Phone error.
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What I mean is, for example, with the 3rd Colossi in SOTC, you can take advantage of a glitch that launches you in the air and you can land on the Colossi's head, without having to: Make him hit the ground > break the armor > make him hit the ground again > climb It simply turns into: Make him hit the ground > take advantage of glitch to launch yourself upwards. Though it takes some ammount of skill to both get the glitch the launch you up, and skill to actually land on the Colossi, thus my point being, sometimes using glitches does involve skill. The records for that Colossi were achieved using this glitch.
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#38 Byshop  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Dudersaper"][QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

Taking advantage of glitches never equals skill.

Jakandsigz

I dunno, in lots of cases it can be considered such. Like in SOTC lots of the best times are by taking advantage of glitches, yet it doesn't mean they don't have skill.

It depends on the game. If the Glitch is hard to get then it might be different, but if the glitch is not that hard and doesn't take much effort to get and flights you halfway toward the screen I would not call that grounds for a speedrun. Super Mario Bros players that use the shortcuts in a speedrun I do not call a speed run because they are not speeding through the entire game as fast as they can. It's different from a shortcut in a stage that leads to a part of the same stage.

This is an annoyance I have with Trackmania. Many of the tracks can be run in under 30 seconds, but some of the tracks that have jumps you have to "game" the system to get the fastest time. Like in this video where the driver bounces his car off the ceiling in a jump and flips end over end multiple times to land on his wheels early so he can accelerate to the finish faster. I've done it and I know others who have done it, but it's damned near impossible to do on purpose successfully. The fact that you can only do an "official" run every five minutes makes this kind of suck. All the top scores are people who randomly bounced their car in some non-repeatable fashion off of a wall or ceiling, so it ends up taking the "fun" out of trying to get the best time on some tracks because you're racing against the guys who got lucky on one of their official runs after probably attempting this several hundred times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxcsVSO6Tg

-Byshop

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#39 Jakandsigz
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[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="Dudersaper"]I dunno, in lots of cases it can be considered such. Like in SOTC lots of the best times are by taking advantage of glitches, yet it doesn't mean they don't have skill.Byshop

It depends on the game. If the Glitch is hard to get then it might be different, but if the glitch is not that hard and doesn't take much effort to get and flights you halfway toward the screen I would not call that grounds for a speedrun. Super Mario Bros players that use the shortcuts in a speedrun I do not call a speed run because they are not speeding through the entire game as fast as they can. It's different from a shortcut in a stage that leads to a part of the same stage.

This is an annoyance I have with Trackmania. Many of the tracks can be run in under 30 seconds, but some of the tracks that have jumps you have to "game" the system to get the fastest time. Like in this video where the driver bounces his car off the ceiling in a jump and flips end over end multiple times to land on his wheels early so he can accelerate to the finish faster. I've done it and I know others who have done it, but it's damned near impossible to do on purpose successfully. The fact that you can only do an "official" run every five minutes makes this kind of suck. All the top scores are people who randomly bounced their car in some non-repeatable fashion off of a wall or ceiling, so it ends up taking the "fun" out of trying to get the best time on some tracks because you're racing against the guys who got lucky on one of their official runs after probably attempting this several hundred times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxcsVSO6Tg

-Byshop

Yes, to speed run you need to actually speed run the game, such things as what you said, makes it totally unfair. As for Dudersapers response, your SOTC thing is debatable, but I think it's still unfair generally to use that in a Speed Run.
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#40 Dudersaper
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[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] As for Dudersapers response, your SOTC thing is debatable, but I think it's still unfair generally to use that in a Speed Run.

Yeah, fair enough. I was more defending the point of it involving some skill rather than it being considered an actual speedrun anyway.
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#41 luckykoopsie
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[QUOTE="Byshop"]

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

So memorizing every corner of every zone, having quick reaction times, and ranking among the best somehow doesn't equate to a speedrun? Hmm, news to me. I have more respect for someone that has insane skills and can do things like beat emerald hill under 20 seconds, beat modern planet wisp under three minutes, and can take advantage of all the glitches of every level to create unreal shortcuts than someone playing a slow game like resident evil.

Renegade_Fury

No.

It requires skill and is impressive, but the term "speedrun" specifically applies to playing games for speed where speed is not the inherent goal already. If I plug my G27 into my computer and re-run a Trackmania course over and over until I get one of the top 10 ranked times in the country, that's impressive, but it's not a "speedrun" since it's already a racing game and the whole point is to try to complete the track as quickly as possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedrun

A speedrun is a play-through, or recording thereof, of a whole video game or a selected part of it (such as a single level) performed with the intent of completing it as fast as possible, optionally under certain prerequisites, mainly for the purposes of entertainment and competition. The term, a compound of the words speed and run (as in "running" through a game, referring to the playing of a game) is only used in the context of games that were not originally or primarily designed with fast completion in mind (one generally does not speedrun a track in a racing game; in those cases the game's standard setting for achieving and recording fast times is called a time attack or time trial mode).

-Byshop

lol, uh what? It is a speedrun. You are beating the game as fast as you can or you are beating each individual stage as fast as you can. By comparing Sonic to Trackmania, a racer, shows you really don't have a clue what Sonic games are about, let alone, how they play. It's a platformer, not a racing game.

Do you really think Sonic Team was expecting mastery of boost jumping or wall falling glitch mastery from the player? Please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glfx6LBbbGY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_OnPNFX_zY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmHmRF_1R0&list=FLYqpunQZFKzO1jlekbd0-Ow&index=85

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOjPFksF78&list=FLYqpunQZFKzO1jlekbd0-Ow&index=47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZeH5ApKofQ

We call these speedruns in the Sonic community.

 

I call those speedruns as well. **** off byshop, you snively $hit heap that thinks you know everything. Go get laid bro

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#42 Jakandsigz
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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

[QUOTE="Byshop"]

No.

It requires skill and is impressive, but the term "speedrun" specifically applies to playing games for speed where speed is not the inherent goal already. If I plug my G27 into my computer and re-run a Trackmania course over and over until I get one of the top 10 ranked times in the country, that's impressive, but it's not a "speedrun" since it's already a racing game and the whole point is to try to complete the track as quickly as possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedrun

A speedrun is a play-through, or recording thereof, of a whole video game or a selected part of it (such as a single level) performed with the intent of completing it as fast as possible, optionally under certain prerequisites, mainly for the purposes of entertainment and competition. The term, a compound of the words speed and run (as in "running" through a game, referring to the playing of a game) is only used in the context of games that were not originally or primarily designed with fast completion in mind (one generally does not speedrun a track in a racing game; in those cases the game's standard setting for achieving and recording fast times is called a time attack or time trial mode).

-Byshop

luckykoopsie

lol, uh what? It is a speedrun. You are beating the game as fast as you can or you are beating each individual stage as fast as you can. By comparing Sonic to Trackmania, a racer, shows you really don't have a clue what Sonic games are about, let alone, how they play. It's a platformer, not a racing game.

Do you really think Sonic Team was expecting mastery of boost jumping or wall falling glitch mastery from the player? Please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glfx6LBbbGY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_OnPNFX_zY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmHmRF_1R0&list=FLYqpunQZFKzO1jlekbd0-Ow&index=85

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOjPFksF78&list=FLYqpunQZFKzO1jlekbd0-Ow&index=47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZeH5ApKofQ

We call these speedruns in the Sonic community.

 

I call those speedruns as well. **** off byshop, you snively $hit heap that thinks you know everything. Go get laid bro

in Byshops defense you're an idiot.
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#43 luckykoopsie
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[QUOTE="luckykoopsie"]

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

lol, uh what? It is a speedrun. You are beating the game as fast as you can or you are beating each individual stage as fast as you can. By comparing Sonic to Trackmania, a racer, shows you really don't have a clue what Sonic games are about, let alone, how they play. It's a platformer, not a racing game.

Do you really think Sonic Team was expecting mastery of boost jumping or wall falling glitch mastery from the player? Please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glfx6LBbbGY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_OnPNFX_zY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmHmRF_1R0&list=FLYqpunQZFKzO1jlekbd0-Ow&index=85

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOjPFksF78&list=FLYqpunQZFKzO1jlekbd0-Ow&index=47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZeH5ApKofQ

We call these speedruns in the Sonic community.

 

Jakandsigz

I call those speedruns as well. **** off byshop, you snively $hit heap that thinks you know everything. Go get laid bro

in Byshops defense you're an idiot.

In my defense, really, you are a stalker, and a **** with no balls that wont say nuthin

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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

So memorizing every corner of every zone, having quick reaction times, and ranking among the best somehow doesn't equate to a speedrun? Hmm, news to me. I have more respect for someone that has insane skills and can do things like beat emerald hill under 20 seconds, beat modern planet wisp under three minutes, and can take advantage of all the glitches of every level to create unreal shortcuts than someone playing a slow game like resident evil.

Byshop

No.

It requires skill and is impressive, but the term "speedrun" specifically applies to playing games for speed where speed is not the inherent goal already. If I plug my G27 into my computer and re-run a Trackmania course over and over until I get one of the top 10 ranked times in the country, that's impressive, but it's not a "speedrun" since it's already a racing game and the whole point is to try to complete the track as quickly as possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedrun

A speedrun is a play-through, or recording thereof, of a whole video game or a selected part of it (such as a single level) performed with the intent of completing it as fast as possible, optionally under certain prerequisites, mainly for the purposes of entertainment and competition. The term, a compound of the words speed and run (as in "running" through a game, referring to the playing of a game) is only used in the context of games that were not originally or primarily designed with fast completion in mind (one generally does not speedrun a track in a racing game; in those cases the game's standard setting for achieving and recording fast times is called a time attack or time trial mode).

-Byshop

You're a god damned fool, clinging to that silly definition.  A speedrun is a speedrun.  Even though in this discussion we're talkin bout single stage time trials, there are categories for that I believe at SDA, which makes it a legit speedrun. 

My favorite games to speedrun are Megaman X and Megaman X2, my times are 38: xx  for MMX and 37:43 for MMX2.  Working on learning strats for Megaman Zero, Castlevania 1 and Richter Mode/ Alucard speedruns for Sotn.

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[QUOTE="Byshop"]

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

So memorizing every corner of every zone, having quick reaction times, and ranking among the best somehow doesn't equate to a speedrun? Hmm, news to me. I have more respect for someone that has insane skills and can do things like beat emerald hill under 20 seconds, beat modern planet wisp under three minutes, and can take advantage of all the glitches of every level to create unreal shortcuts than someone playing a slow game like resident evil.

MLBknights58

No.

It requires skill and is impressive, but the term "speedrun" specifically applies to playing games for speed where speed is not the inherent goal already. If I plug my G27 into my computer and re-run a Trackmania course over and over until I get one of the top 10 ranked times in the country, that's impressive, but it's not a "speedrun" since it's already a racing game and the whole point is to try to complete the track as quickly as possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedrun

A speedrun is a play-through, or recording thereof, of a whole video game or a selected part of it (such as a single level) performed with the intent of completing it as fast as possible, optionally under certain prerequisites, mainly for the purposes of entertainment and competition. The term, a compound of the words speed and run (as in "running" through a game, referring to the playing of a game) is only used in the context of games that were not originally or primarily designed with fast completion in mind (one generally does not speedrun a track in a racing game; in those cases the game's standard setting for achieving and recording fast times is called a time attack or time trial mode).

-Byshop

You're a god damned fool, clinging to that silly definition.  A speedrun is a speedrun.  Even though in this discussion we're talkin bout single stage time trials, there are categories for that I believe at SDA, which makes it a legit speedrun. 

My favorite games to speedrun are Megaman X and Megaman X2, my times are 38: xx  for MMX and 37:43 for MMX2.  Working on learning strats for Megaman Zero, Castlevania 1 and Richter Mode/ Alucard speedruns for Sotn.

mega man zero? X1 and X2? and castlevania? I respect you good sir. very fine games indeed.

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#46 Byshop  Moderator
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You're a god damned fool, clinging to that silly definition.  A speedrun is a speedrun.  Even though in this discussion we're talkin bout single stage time trials, there are categories for that I believe at SDA, which makes it a legit speedrun. 

My favorite games to speedrun are Megaman X and Megaman X2, my times are 38: xx  for MMX and 37:43 for MMX2.  Working on learning strats for Megaman Zero, Castlevania 1 and Richter Mode/ Alucard speedruns for Sotn.

MLBknights58

Like I said, it's a semantic argument so in the end I don't really care what you call it. You can do a speedrun in any game you want and call it "Throat Wobler Mangrove" for all I care. It's a made up video game term so any definition I find will be a made up definition, which is why I relented. I was just pointing out the difference between what many use the term to describe versus how some people were using it.

The game that I've put over 200 hours into since it came out, but have not had the time or patience to even attempt a speed run is Dark Souls. If you can clear this game on a New Game in under 2 hours then that's pretty damned impressive. Here was one such video I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhOvMPRWey0

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#47 luckykoopsie
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[QUOTE="MLBknights58"]

You're a god damned fool, clinging to that silly definition.  A speedrun is a speedrun.  Even though in this discussion we're talkin bout single stage time trials, there are categories for that I believe at SDA, which makes it a legit speedrun. 

My favorite games to speedrun are Megaman X and Megaman X2, my times are 38: xx  for MMX and 37:43 for MMX2.  Working on learning strats for Megaman Zero, Castlevania 1 and Richter Mode/ Alucard speedruns for Sotn.

Byshop

Like I said, it's a semantic argument so in the end I don't really care what you call it. You can do a speedrun in any game you want and call it "Throat Wobler Mangrove" for all I care. It's a made up video game term so any definition I find will be a made up definition, which is why I relented. I was just pointing out the difference between what many use the term to describe versus how some people were using it.

The game that I've put over 200 hours into since it came out, but have not had the time or patience to even attempt a speed run is Dark Souls. If you can clear this game on a New Game in under 2 hours then that's pretty damned impressive. Here was one such video I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhOvMPRWey0

-Byshop

just admit defeat, trying to be the "all knowledgeable Byshop" give me a break god dammit.

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#48 Byshop  Moderator
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just admit defeat, trying to be the "all knowledgeable Byshop" give me a break god dammit.

luckykoopsie

in Byshops defense you're an idiot.Jakandsigz

I'll refer you to the previous point.

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[QUOTE="luckykoopsie"]

just admit defeat, trying to be the "all knowledgeable Byshop" give me a break god dammit.

Byshop

in Byshops defense you're an idiot.Jakandsigz

I'll refer you to the previous point.

-Byshop

I'm gay.

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#50 Dudersaper
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What's the point in doing that, guys? No need to get personal.