Which side are you on? Sony vs Geo Hotz + (Anonymous)

Personally I think these hackers (its really frustrating sometimes, not being able to swear) are really ruining the system for us. Most recently they have shut down the PSN network for 4 days.

I mean how I see it is we have a great system with awesome games and a FREE online playing option. And yet these idiots think its Sony destroying the world. Don't they understand that by making these games the studios and companies are not only providing entertainment but also employing and feeding millions of people, if they don't make money then why would they do it? If these idiots pirate all these games (which they have already done) it will soon shut down a lot of small but awesome studios, not every studio can sustain 25% losses, as they are not Activision Blizzard or EA. So imagine when there are no small studios and only a handful two or three, can you imagine how much they will take advantage of that? And at that time even their games would be crap cause there would be no competition. So who are the losers in the end its not Sony its not the stupid hackers, its us because we have to pay more for the same entertainment, possibly with even lesser quality.

So what do you guys think?

only PS3 owners please.

Geo hotz isnt on Anonymous side lol.

Geo hotz isnt on Anonymous side lol.

thespywholied

I know (or so he says) but Anonymous is on his side. They started this because of Sony suing Geo Hotz.

I am so on Sony's side. In fact, I am rather frustrated that the smug Geohotz taunted such a big corporation, troll'd his way through the trial only to get away with it. Only to wake up the completely crazy self righteous Anonymous to start crying about some neo-morphical third wave society (whaevah) that will start to spread mindreading waves if the Anonymous, who work for the greater good, don't stop Sony and hindering the playerbase from playing.


Such injustice.

the question is... who is anon? izit geohots inspire? or some big company rival to sony...?? hmmhippiesanta

hmm interesting thought, could be Microsoft funded ??! or it just could be some basement dwellers from around the world with nothing better to do. Either way it should be stopped. But in seriousness I don't think big corps would risk their own names and businesses in trying to hit out at Sony.

I'm on Sony's side because I don't like Anonymous and I don't have a clue who or what Geo Hotz is.

I'm on Sony's side because I don't like Anonymous and I don't have a clue who or what Geo Hotz is.

LazyMushroom

Geo Hotz is the guy who decoded the PS3 system and distributed the hack to other hackers and consumers. So they can play backed up (copied) games on their systems without any discs.

Let me put it this way:

Imagine you work for some corporation. Let's say you ride your bike to work every morning. Let's say you lock this bike up outside your home. What Anonymous is essentially doing is putting an extra lock on your bike, not allowing you to go to work, get paid, and essentially fiddling with your life outside of work. Anybody that agrees with that is dead wrong, sorry. This isn't a matter of opinion, because when ones opinion starts affecting the lives of others, it is no longer an opinion. It goes back to the saying, You can have your opinion, as long as it doesn't affect mine.

Let me put it this way:

Imagine you work for some corporation. Let's say you ride your bike to work every morning. Let's say you lock this bike up outside your home. What Anonymous is essentially doing is putting an extra lock on your bike, not allowing you to go to work, get paid, and essentially fiddling with your life outside of work. Anybody that agrees with that is dead wrong, sorry. This isn't a matter of opinion, because when ones opinion starts affecting the lives of others, it is no longer an opinion. It goes back to the saying, You can have your opinion, as long as it doesn't affect mine.

Heirren

nobody could have said it any better!

Let me put it this way:

Imagine you work for some corporation. Let's say you ride your bike to work every morning. Let's say you lock this bike up outside your home. What Anonymous is essentially doing is putting an extra lock on your bike, not allowing you to go to work, get paid, and essentially fiddling with your life outside of work. Anybody that agrees with that is dead wrong, sorry. This isn't a matter of opinion, because when ones opinion starts affecting the lives of others, it is no longer an opinion. It goes back to the saying, You can have your opinion, as long as it doesn't affect mine.

Heirren

You are absolutely right. Gamers need to realise this and dump the stupid dongle. And show Sony that we are with them. So that they don't charge us for some lifeless idiots.

They're just bored and mean nothing to the society.LustForSoul

Exactly they don't offer anything productive to the soceity, all they do is provoke people and ruin things for everyone, just because their parents used to hit them when they were children or even now. It just makes me sick, these kinda people should be jailed, so something behind them can be decoded by a bearded convict.

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I'm on Sony's side because I don't like Anonymous and I don't have a clue who or what Geo Hotz is.

megadeth1984

Geo Hotz is the guy who decoded the PS3 system and distributed the hack to other hackers and consumers. So they can play backed up (copied) games on their systems without any discs.

Didn't failoverflow technically do all the work discovering the root key and then Geo Hotz just got the info and published it? Either way, Geo Hotz pisses me off to no end. You'd think that someone who programs for a living would understand logic a little better. I paid for this console so that means I have the right to exploit it and circumvent Sony's security measures to offer an easy window for piracy to the public? Right.

Honestly, I don't know what makes me more angry, the fact that he's so smug or the fact that he thinks everyone's so stupid that they believe he didn't intend for this to lead to piracy. Even if that wasn't explicitly his intent, a smart guy like him should have known it would follow quickly. I almost take all this stuff personally because it's affected everyone who owns a PS3 at this point and he's wasted so much of Sony's time and money.

None, they're all idiots, Sony for Suing the guy over something that people have been doing for years, and Anonymous for launching another pointless crusade, we all know they're not going to acomplish anything by this.

Somehow I think this is going to affect videogames in a negative way. I know the technicality is more surrounding the use of PCs, but games-in general-typically get a bad rap when any kind of "cyber" crime is going on. I can see people using this to censor videogames.

I'll just leave this:

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"This money goes to the EFF in hopes that America can one day again be a shining example of freedom, free of the DMCA and ACTA, and that private interest will never trump the ideas laid out in the constitution of privacy, ownership, and free speech," Hotz wrote on this blog. He also took this opportunity to get a few shots in at Sony.

While no one really won at the end of the litigation, Hotz seems ready to claim the upper hand due to the fact the PlayStation 3 remains open, and others continue to work on cracking the latest firmware. "At the end of the day, something I take comfort in. The PS3 got OWNED," Hotz wrote. "'Once the code works they'll never be able to take it away from us.'"

Hotz also claimed this case won't deter others from cracking Sony's hardware. "If you piss them off enough for them to pull out the legal team and their million dollar checkbook, worst thing that happens is you have to super swear to never do it again," he stated. That was the deal struck with Sony: while Hotz did not have to admit to doing anything wrong, he did have to promise to stop cracking Sony-owned hardware.

So GeoHot pinky swears not to do it again and Sony looks petty and foolish. Seems like a fair trade. I'll likely never buy a Sony product ever again as it's clear to me that they truly despise their customers while claiming rights that they don't actually have. This isn't the first time Sony has bullied someone and it won't be the last.

I'll just leave this:

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"This money goes to the EFF in hopes that America can one day again be a shining example of freedom, free of the DMCA and ACTA, and that private interest will never trump the ideas laid out in the constitution of privacy, ownership, and free speech," Hotz wrote on this blog. He also took this opportunity to get a few shots in at Sony.

While no one really won at the end of the litigation, Hotz seems ready to claim the upper hand due to the fact the PlayStation 3 remains open, and others continue to work on cracking the latest firmware. "At the end of the day, something I take comfort in. The PS3 got OWNED," Hotz wrote. "'Once the code works they'll never be able to take it away from us.'"

Hotz also claimed this case won't deter others from cracking Sony's hardware. "If you piss them off enough for them to pull out the legal team and their million dollar checkbook, worst thing that happens is you have to super swear to never do it again," he stated. That was the deal struck with Sony: while Hotz did not have to admit to doing anything wrong, he did have to promise to stop cracking Sony-owned hardware.

So GeoHot pinky swears not to do it again and Sony looks petty and foolish. Seems like a fair trade. I'll likely never buy a Sony product ever again as it's clear to me that they truly despise their customers while claiming rights that they don't actually have. This isn't the first time Sony has bullied someone and it won't be the last.

QuistisTrepe_

So what are you trying to say? Anon is right in hacking the PSN which directly resulted in us getting cut off from PSN for 4+ days now?

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I'll just leave this:

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"This money goes to the EFF in hopes that America can one day again be a shining example of freedom, free of the DMCA and ACTA, and that private interest will never trump the ideas laid out in the constitution of privacy, ownership, and free speech," Hotz wrote on this blog. He also took this opportunity to get a few shots in at Sony.

While no one really won at the end of the litigation, Hotz seems ready to claim the upper hand due to the fact the PlayStation 3 remains open, and others continue to work on cracking the latest firmware. "At the end of the day, something I take comfort in. The PS3 got OWNED," Hotz wrote. "'Once the code works they'll never be able to take it away from us.'"

Hotz also claimed this case won't deter others from cracking Sony's hardware. "If you piss them off enough for them to pull out the legal team and their million dollar checkbook, worst thing that happens is you have to super swear to never do it again," he stated. That was the deal struck with Sony: while Hotz did not have to admit to doing anything wrong, he did have to promise to stop cracking Sony-owned hardware.

So GeoHot pinky swears not to do it again and Sony looks petty and foolish. Seems like a fair trade. I'll likely never buy a Sony product ever again as it's clear to me that they truly despise their customers while claiming rights that they don't actually have. This isn't the first time Sony has bullied someone and it won't be the last.

S0lidSnake

So what are you trying to say? Anon is right in hacking the PSN which directly resulted in us getting cut off from PSN for 4+ days now?

Anon didn't do squat to Sony. I don't believe that tripe about external intrusion for a second. I've seen servers go down due to people tripping over power cords or power surges. Sony is just blaming hackers when it is more likely that their own incompetence or the server outage in Virginia are more likely the reason for PSN going down. There are many sites that are still down because of Amazon's server outage.

Anon didn't do squat to Sony. I don't believe that tripe about external intrusion for a second. I've seen servers go down due to tripping people over power cords or power surges. Sony is just blaming hackers when it is more likely that their own incompetence or the server outage in Virginia are more likely the reason for PSN going down. There are many sites that are still down because of Amazon's server outage.

QuistisTrepe_

They claimed responsibility for PSN going down last week, but then changed their mind later, issuing a statement saying they dont want to punish Sony's customers and that they have 'other tricks up their sleeves'.

The current outage is Sony shutting down PSN themselves so they can fix it without anyone hacking again in the process forcing Sony engineers to start all over again.

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Anon didn't do squat to Sony. I don't believe that tripe about external intrusion for a second. I've seen servers go down due to tripping people over power cords or power surges. Sony is just blaming hackers when it is more likely that their own incompetence or the server outage in Virginia are more likely the reason for PSN going down. There are many sites that are still down because of Amazon's server outage.

S0lidSnake

They claimed responsibility for PSN going down last week,

A DDoS attack can be easily mitigated by Sony, that ship already sailed and was widely reported to be mere bluster. Just because Anon claims something doesn't mean it's actually true.

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I'm on Sony's side because I don't like Anonymous and I don't have a clue who or what Geo Hotz is.

megadeth1984

Geo Hotz is the guy who decoded the PS3 system and distributed the hack to other hackers and consumers. So they can play backed up (copied) games on their systems without any discs.

Sony helped develop Blu-Ray. In the past consoles had to be modified to play burnt discs, hence the mod chip. One of the selling points to Blu-Ray is that it's impossible for something reading the discs to tell the difference between a pressed retail disc, a BD-R or a BD-RW, whereas it was quite possible to tell the difference between a pressed CD or a CD-R/RW as well as a pressed DVD or a DVD-R/RW.

With Blu-ray all people have to do is pass the copy protections on the disc and copy the disc image exactly. Even without jailbreak or any modding to their system they can play burnt discs as long as they can get past the copy protection that was on the disc itself (and all of this Sony supported by supporting Blu-ray in the first place).

Jailbreak is the dumbest way you could go about pirating PS3 games. You've basically ensured you have old and modified firmware which means:

A) You can't play new games unless they are modified to work with older firmware.

B) You can't get on to PSN to play those games.

C) You have blown your warranty doing it.

Whereas the method to copy the discs on to a writable format of Blu-Ray and get past the copy protection would basically mean nobody except somebody who physically saw the disc you were using would know you pirated it. That would mean no old firmware, that you could still play on PSN, and that you haven't blown your warranty.

There is no way in hell Geohot intended jailbreak to play back-up games. They already had a method faaaaaaaaaaaar better than that. The people who use it for that are frankly idiots. That's why I find it absolutely insane that people assume jailbreak = pirating games, or that that was Geohot's intention when he created it.

As for the topic I obviously support Geohot however I don't support Anon (even though I don't think as a group they were behind the recent attack) mainly because the previous announced attack was a DDOS and as much as they'd like to think it's not, it IS a crime.

Im on nobody's side.

None really, since this whole thing is opinionated and can only be judged on a per case basis. Personally, PS2 and single play kept me out of the PSN action for the longest I can remember too.

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[QUOTE="LazyMushroom"]

I'm on Sony's side because I don't like Anonymous and I don't have a clue who or what Geo Hotz is.

Ripcurl530

Geo Hotz is the guy who decoded the PS3 system and distributed the hack to other hackers and consumers. So they can play backed up (copied) games on their systems without any discs.

Didn't failoverflow technically do all the work discovering the root key and then Geo Hotz just got the info and published it? Either way, Geo Hotz pisses me off to no end. You'd think that someone who programs for a living would understand logic a little better. I paid for this console so that means I have the right to exploit it and circumvent Sony's security measures to offer an easy window for piracy to the public? Right.

Honestly, I don't know what makes me more angry, the fact that he's so smug or the fact that he thinks everyone's so stupid that they believe he didn't intend for this to lead to piracy. Even if that wasn't explicitly his intent, a smart guy like him should have known it would follow quickly. I almost take all this stuff personally because it's affected everyone who owns a PS3 at this point and he's wasted so much of Sony's time and money.

Ya failoverflow actually found it I think. And Geohotz was just pretending that he didn't know that it would lead to piracy because otherwise he would be in jail. He cracked it to get good rep from his low class basement dwelling friends. We should take it personally cause we are the ones that are gonna suffer, who has a life, and buy their games legit. I swear this kind of people are like the freaking talibans/hippie s**ts.

None really, since this whole thing is opinionated and can only be judged on a per case basis. Personally, PS2 and single play kept me out of the PSN action for the longest I can remember too.

Victorious_Fize

Not really man, cause if you own a PS3 and play games on it, it will soon effect you. Cause Sony will be charging us for their losses not only online but in offline games aswell, and all this caused by these low lifes. Its nothing opinionated if you like your system and games now, it will get worse for these idiots.

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[QUOTE="LazyMushroom"]

I'm on Sony's side because I don't like Anonymous and I don't have a clue who or what Geo Hotz is.

Ilikemyname420

Geo Hotz is the guy who decoded the PS3 system and distributed the hack to other hackers and consumers. So they can play backed up (copied) games on their systems without any discs.

Sony helped develop Blu-Ray. In the past consoles had to be modified to play burnt discs, hence the mod chip. One of the selling points to Blu-Ray is that it's impossible for something reading the discs to tell the difference between a pressed retail disc, a BD-R or a BD-RW, whereas it was quite possible to tell the difference between a pressed CD or a CD-R/RW as well as a pressed DVD or a DVD-R/RW.

With Blu-ray all people have to do is pass the copy protections on the disc and copy the disc image exactly. Even without jailbreak or any modding to their system they can play burnt discs as long as they can get past the copy protection that was on the disc itself (and all of this Sony supported by supporting Blu-ray in the first place).

Jailbreak is the dumbest way you could go about pirating PS3 games. You've basically ensured you have old and modified firmware which means:

A) You can't play new games unless they are modified to work with older firmware.

B) You can't get on to PSN to play those games.

C) You have blown your warranty doing it.

Whereas the method to copy the discs on to a writable format of Blu-Ray and get past the copy protection would basically mean nobody except somebody who physically saw the disc you were using would know you pirated it. That would mean no old firmware, that you could still play on PSN, and that you haven't blown your warranty.

There is no way in hell Geohot intended jailbreak to play back-up games. They already had a method faaaaaaaaaaaar better than that. The people who use it for that are frankly idiots. That's why I find it absolutely insane that people assume jailbreak = pirating games, or that that was Geohot's intention when he created it.

As for the topic I obviously support Geohot however I don't support Anon (even though I don't think as a group they were behind the recent attack) mainly because the previous announced attack was a DDOS and as much as they'd like to think it's not, it IS a crime.

But before the jail break they couldn't break the security code, and even after they did break the security code they couldn't for games, only for bluray movies and data they were successful. Get your facts right man.

If you don't see that Geohotz intended to jailbreak I think you are just blinding yourself, Geohotz did it when a lot of people were trying to hack through the dongle and he was the first one who was successful and he shared it with everyone else. Geohotz is just pretending to be saint that he isn't don't fall into that. He is a lowlife scum, who is ruining our time and money as well as Sony's.

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[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]

Geo Hotz is the guy who decoded the PS3 system and distributed the hack to other hackers and consumers. So they can play backed up (copied) games on their systems without any discs.

megadeth1984

Sony helped develop Blu-Ray. In the past consoles had to be modified to play burnt discs, hence the mod chip. One of the selling points to Blu-Ray is that it's impossible for something reading the discs to tell the difference between a pressed retail disc, a BD-R or a BD-RW, whereas it was quite possible to tell the difference between a pressed CD or a CD-R/RW as well as a pressed DVD or a DVD-R/RW.

With Blu-ray all people have to do is pass the copy protections on the disc and copy the disc image exactly. Even without jailbreak or any modding to their system they can play burnt discs as long as they can get past the copy protection that was on the disc itself (and all of this Sony supported by supporting Blu-ray in the first place).

Jailbreak is the dumbest way you could go about pirating PS3 games. You've basically ensured you have old and modified firmware which means:

A) You can't play new games unless they are modified to work with older firmware.

B) You can't get on to PSN to play those games.

C) You have blown your warranty doing it.

Whereas the method to copy the discs on to a writable format of Blu-Ray and get past the copy protection would basically mean nobody except somebody who physically saw the disc you were using would know you pirated it. That would mean no old firmware, that you could still play on PSN, and that you haven't blown your warranty.

There is no way in hell Geohot intended jailbreak to play back-up games. They already had a method faaaaaaaaaaaar better than that. The people who use it for that are frankly idiots. That's why I find it absolutely insane that people assume jailbreak = pirating games, or that that was Geohot's intention when he created it.

As for the topic I obviously support Geohot however I don't support Anon (even though I don't think as a group they were behind the recent attack) mainly because the previous announced attack was a DDOS and as much as they'd like to think it's not, it IS a crime.

But before the jail break they couldn't break the security code, and even after they did break the security code they couldn't for games, only for bluray movies and data they were successful. Get your facts right man.

If you don't see that Geohotz intended to jailbreak I think you are just blinding yourself, Geohotz did it when a lot of people were trying to hack through the dongle and he was the first one who was successful and he shared it with everyone else. Geohotz is just pretending to be saint that he isn't don't fall into that. He is a lowlife scum, who is ruining our time and money as well as Sony's.

The copy protection on the disc had nothing to do with the key that was released. The key was to sign off on an update as if it were from Sony, and thus embed their own firmware (it didn't copy anything, it just replaced parts with what they needed) as if it were a legit update and then allow ANY applicable software to run ie. Linux.

The Blu-ray copy protection could and CAN easily be copied straight off the disc with the right software. An exact image is an exact image when it comes to Blu-ray. They didn't need the key to do that or jailbreak or anything else .... you are the one who should get your facts straight.....because they've been pirating games for a looooooong time before that.

[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]

[QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"] Funny thing is you could pirate PS3 games without jailbreak and be allowed to play them as if they were retail copies..... and this was looooooong before jailbreak.

Sony helped develop Blu-Ray. In the past consoles had to be modified to play burnt discs, hence the mod chip. One of the selling points to Blu-Ray is that it's impossible for something reading the discs to tell the difference between a pressed retail disc, a BD-R or a BD-RW, whereas it was quite possible to tell the difference between a pressed CD or a CD-R/RW as well as a pressed DVD or a DVD-R/RW.

With Blu-ray all people have to do is pass the copy protections on the disc and copy the disc image exactly. Even without jailbreak or any modding to their system they can play burnt discs as long as they can get past the copy protection that was on the disc itself (and all of this Sony supported by supporting Blu-ray in the first place).

Jailbreak is the dumbest way you could go about pirating PS3 games. You've basically ensured you have old and modified firmware which means:

A) You can't play new games unless they are modified to work with older firmware.

B) You can't get on to PSN to play those games.

C) You have blown your warranty doing it.

Whereas the method to copy the discs on to a writable format of Blu-Ray and get past the copy protection would basically mean nobody except somebody who physically saw the disc you were using would know you pirated it. That would mean no old firmware, that you could still play on PSN, and that you haven't blown your warranty.

There is no way in hell Geohot intended jailbreak to play back-up games. They already had a method faaaaaaaaaaaar better than that. The people who use it for that are frankly idiots. That's why I find it absolutely insane that people assume jailbreak = pirating games, or that that was Geohot's intention when he created it.

As for the topic I obviously support Geohot however I don't support Anon (even though I don't think as a group they were behind the recent attack) mainly because the previous announced attack was a DDOS and as much as they'd like to think it's not, it IS a crime.

Ilikemyname420

But before the jail break they couldn't break the security code, and even after they did break the security code they couldn't for games, only for bluray movies and data they were successful. Get your facts right man.

If you don't see that Geohotz intended to jailbreak I think you are just blinding yourself, Geohotz did it when a lot of people were trying to hack through the dongle and he was the first one who was successful and he shared it with everyone else. Geohotz is just pretending to be saint that he isn't don't fall into that. He is a lowlife scum, who is ruining our time and money as well as Sony's.

The copy protection on the disc had nothing to do with the key that was released. The key was to sign off on an update as if it were from Sony, and thus embed their own firmware (it didn't copy anything, it just replaced parts with what they needed) as if it were a legit update and then allow ANY applicable software to run ie. Linux.

The Blu-ray copy protection could and CAN easily be copied straight off the disc with the right software. An exact image is an exact image when it comes to Blu-ray. They didn't need the key to do that or jailbreak or anything else .... you are the one who should get your facts straight.....because they've been pirating games for a looooooong time before that.

I am not talking about pirating games, everyone knows they have been doing it for years. I am talking about pirating PS3 games a system that was still unbreakable 6 months back. How many people do you think runs linux in comparision to running backed up games??

Pirating Bluray games doesn't work as your normal ones each Bluray game disc has an unique security ID which they can't copy to a copied one, with the use of the dongle they just bipassed it yet you still have to have a bluray disc in your system when playing any games that are backed up. Do some research or just go to Singapore you will see there are millions of backed up bluray movies but none for PS3. Fact.

Since this current outage has nothing to do with Geo Hotz or Anonymous, I don't see how Sony's f-up is their problem. For all of you claiming otherwise- it's time time to put up or shut up. If you've got evidence, use it. If you don't, stop trying to find a boogeyman.LongZhiZi

"Since this current outage has nothing to do with Geo Hotz or Anonymous," why don't you prove this first or like you said shut up :)

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[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]

But before the jail break they couldn't break the security code, and even after they did break the security code they couldn't for games, only for bluray movies and data they were successful. Get your facts right man.

If you don't see that Geohotz intended to jailbreak I think you are just blinding yourself, Geohotz did it when a lot of people were trying to hack through the dongle and he was the first one who was successful and he shared it with everyone else. Geohotz is just pretending to be saint that he isn't don't fall into that. He is a lowlife scum, who is ruining our time and money as well as Sony's.

megadeth1984

The copy protection on the disc had nothing to do with the key that was released. The key was to sign off on an update as if it were from Sony, and thus embed their own firmware (it didn't copy anything, it just replaced parts with what they needed) as if it were a legit update and then allow ANY applicable software to run ie. Linux.

The Blu-ray copy protection could and CAN easily be copied straight off the disc with the right software. An exact image is an exact image when it comes to Blu-ray. They didn't need the key to do that or jailbreak or anything else .... you are the one who should get your facts straight.....because they've been pirating games for a looooooong time before that.

I am not talking about pirating games, everyone knows they have been doing it for years. I am talking about pirating PS3 games a system that was still unbreakable 6 months back. How many people do you think runs linux in comparision to running backed up games??

Pirating Bluray games doesn't work as your normal ones each Bluray game disc has an unique security ID which they can't copy to a copied one, with the use of the dongle they just bipassed it yet you still have to have a bluray disc in your system when playing any games that are backed up. Do some research or just go to Singapore you will see there are millions of backed up bluray movies but none for PS3. Fact.

Again the security on the disc can be copied. There is software out there that will allow you to copy EVERYTHING off a Blu-ray disc including the copy protection. They can come up with whatever security key they like, on the discs themselves, as long as I can read the disc I can copy it. There is no way around it, it's literally copy paste.

[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]

[QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"] They were able to pirate games long before that and they WERE pirating games long before that.....it's only till now that anyone took any bloody notice (up untill jailbreak a good chunk of people on this site would have told you it was impossible).

The copy protection on the disc had nothing to do with the key that was released. The key was to sign off on an update as if it were from Sony, and thus embed their own firmware (it didn't copy anything, it just replaced parts with what they needed) as if it were a legit update and then allow ANY applicable software to run ie. Linux.

The Blu-ray copy protection could and CAN easily be copied straight off the disc with the right software. An exact image is an exact image when it comes to Blu-ray. They didn't need the key to do that or jailbreak or anything else .... you are the one who should get your facts straight.....because they've been pirating games for a looooooong time before that.

Ilikemyname420

I am not talking about pirating games, everyone knows they have been doing it for years. I am talking about pirating PS3 games a system that was still unbreakable 6 months back. How many people do you think runs linux in comparision to running backed up games??

Pirating Bluray games doesn't work as your normal ones each Bluray game disc has an unique security ID which they can't copy to a copied one, with the use of the dongle they just bipassed it yet you still have to have a bluray disc in your system when playing any games that are backed up. Do some research or just go to Singapore you will see there are millions of backed up bluray movies but none for PS3. Fact.

Again the security on the disc can be copied. There is software out there that will allow you to copy EVERYTHING off a Blu-ray disc including the copy protection. They can come up with whatever security key they like, on the discs themselves, as long as I can read the disc I can copy it. There is no way around it, it's literally copy paste.

Anything that can be read can be copied logic is mostly right but check out why bluray GAME discs are copied into computers and not sold as pirated disc why? But they have pirated BLURAY MOVIES AVAILABLE

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I am not talking about pirating games, everyone knows they have been doing it for years. I am talking about pirating PS3 games a system that was still unbreakable 6 months back. How many people do you think runs linux in comparision to running backed up games??

Pirating Bluray games doesn't work as your normal ones each Bluray game disc has an unique security ID which they can't copy to a copied one, with the use of the dongle they just bipassed it yet you still have to have a bluray disc in your system when playing any games that are backed up. Do some research or just go to Singapore you will see there are millions of backed up bluray movies but none for PS3. Fact.

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Again the security on the disc can be copied. There is software out there that will allow you to copy EVERYTHING off a Blu-ray disc including the copy protection. They can come up with whatever security key they like, on the discs themselves, as long as I can read the disc I can copy it. There is no way around it, it's literally copy paste.

Anything that can be read can be copied logic is mostly right but check out why bluray GAME discs are copied into computers and not sold as pirated disc why? But they have pirated BLURAY MOVIES AVAILABLE

Most of these pirates just heard about jailbreak and figured that was the ONLY way to pirate and frankly if you are against piracy you should be thankful. These idiots are basically ruining their own machines at least for what they intended it for(piracy). Jailbreak is not piracy firmware period. If they load that stuff onto their machines just to do that, they've basically just shot themselves in the foot. They will be so limited it shouldn't even be worth it to them (because of the reasons I listed in my first post in this thread). Yet it's these dumbasses who keep doing it and giving a bad name to anyone jailbreaking their PS3's for legit reasons (and trust me there are way more than some people on this site want to think).

There's a better method they could use but most hackers would be damned if we ever actually give them the damn method considering the majority of us don't use it ourselves because we actually respect the people who make our games.

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[QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"] I was talking about PS3 games.....seriously what else would I be talking about? It was never unbreakable, anybody who told you that is a complete fool.

Again the security on the disc can be copied. There is software out there that will allow you to copy EVERYTHING off a Blu-ray disc including the copy protection. They can come up with whatever security key they like, on the discs themselves, as long as I can read the disc I can copy it. There is no way around it, it's literally copy paste.

Ilikemyname420

Anything that can be read can be copied logic is mostly right but check out why bluray GAME discs are copied into computers and not sold as pirated disc why? But they have pirated BLURAY MOVIES AVAILABLE

Most of these pirates just heard about jailbreak and figured that was the ONLY way to pirate and frankly if you are against piracy you should be thankful. These idiots are basically ruining their own machines at least for what they intended it for(piracy). Jailbreak is not piracy firmware period. If they load that stuff onto their machines just to do that, they've basically just shot themselves in the foot. They will be so limited it shouldn't even be worth it to them (because of the reasons I listed in my first post in this thread). Yet it's these dumbasses who keep doing it and giving a bad name to anyone jailbreaking their PS3's for legit reasons (and trust me there are way more than some people on this site want to think).

There's a better method they could use but most hackers would be damned if we ever actually give them the damn method considering the majority of us don't use it ourselves because we actually respect the people who make our games.

Each game is marked with some sensors wherever PS3 games are produced. PS3 detects this before starting the game. A copied game doesn't have these so it wont run. You can ask any hacker. and there is no legit reason for jailbreaking, cause it breaks the security code. Its like saying you broke into an atm booth to check your balance (for some reason if banks stop showing balance on it) and by doing so you are leaving it free for any one to withdraw money or ride it. No matter how you turn it, its illegal.

anyway lets get back on topic.

This is random chatter from gaf, not sure how accurate any of this is: Christ... that may mean that their network was totally compromised. If they still can't rule out the possibility of personal information being stolen then it is a good possibility that the people who hacked the network had access to whatever they wanted. Also, I have never heard of a company completely rebuilding a network after a successful hack. That may be due to ignorance but I really dont see the point in completely rebuilding a network unless that was just non-technical PR talk. If it is true then it seems like a definite possibility that the hackers did irreversible damage to the backend of the PSN. If that is the case, this week seems entirely out of the question. ... Rebuilding the network is actually the safest way to get things back online as soon as possible. It's faster to assume nothing is secure than to find every possible action and backdoor the hackers may have installed. Of course, they'll want to find and fix the "hole" used to gain access to their system in the first place. Otherwise you're just doing a lot of work for nothing, as you could be hacked again as soon as the new systems are online. ... Depends on what they are doing with the information or how they are distributing the information to buyers. However, for sony to not know whether information has been stolen a week after the PSN went down means that their engineers are most likely totally screwed and their network got completely owned. So Sony is screwed?dvader654

Sounds like it and in ways I think we are as well. Cause simply to make Sony completely rebuild the system, something drastic must have happened. And yes I can confirm from other sources accounts were compromised both of gamers and developers. However the credit card details won't be as they were encrypted. But it will take about upto Thursday to I think reach and end. F**K You Anonymous and Geo Hotz and all the crap lowlifes.

Sony. Alllllll the way.

Anonymous claims not to be responsible for the outage, but admits it might have been the work of hackers going at it alone.

Anyway, it is notable that the attack is a reaction to Sony's previous action so it's not like this is some random, out of the blue situation. Some will say that is no excuse for the attack which is a fair point, but consider this - is it fair that Sony is relieved of all accountability for promising features and then simply removing them just like that? Yes, it's their system and the CAN do it, blah, blah, whatever...BUT - is it fair?

This whole thing is a completely needless mess and we can only hope that it will perhaps deter companies from thinking that they can just do whatever they want without any consequences.

People, quit with the hysteria. If credit card or personal informatiom were compromised, notices would have already been sent out to every address on file with Sony warning their customers about the security breach. How about we wait for a more conclusive public statement from Sony before assuming the worst, eh?