Which side are you on? Sony vs Geo Hotz + (Anonymous)

This whole thing is a completely needless mess and we can only hope that it will perhaps deter companies from thinking that they can just do whatever they want without any consequences.

UpInFlames

This is actually a healthy thing IMO. It sucks for Sony customers, but part of me can't help but feel a sense of justice that Sony is getting owned like this.

And that is what class action lawsuits and protests are for. You are angry dont buy the product, make a fuss, it might not change anything but its all you can do. Criminal action is not the way to respond.dvader654

Sony. Geohotz thinks he has the right to do that stuff? Sure it's his product once he's bought it but he tampered with it to ruin and take some profit of sony and he helped ruin PSN via provoking this Anonymous group

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[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

This whole thing is a completely needless mess and we can only hope that it will perhaps deter companies from thinking that they can just do whatever they want without any consequences.

dvader654

This is actually a healthy thing IMO. It sucks for Sony customers, but part of me can't help but feel a sense of justice that Sony is getting owned like this.

Agreed.

That said, I dont understand why Sony freaked out so much over someone hacking their console. Consoles get hacked, thats just how it is. The 360 has been hacked for years yet it sells more software than the PS3 or the Wii. PS2 and PS1 were hacked right away yet they sold over a hundred million units. Removing features, releasing a 500MB update every few weeks, forcing everyone to update is overreacting IMO.

One thing that I find interesting is that the PS3 was the only console this gen that didn't get hacked within the first year. It wasn't until last year, four years after PS3's launch, that people finally cracked the PS3. Now here is what's interesting. I think the way Sony managed to keep their system secure for so long was to tie everything to your PSN account, so if you went online after hacking your system, you'd be instantly caught. And now these hackers have managed to hack the PSN account info itself. I heard rumors that hackers can add virtual money to your PSN account and download all the stuff on PSN for free. Shutting down PSN would make sense if that was the case, they dont want people buying up everything on PSN for free.

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Anything that can be read can be copied logic is mostly right but check out why bluray GAME discs are copied into computers and not sold as pirated disc why? But they have pirated BLURAY MOVIES AVAILABLE

megadeth1984

Most of these pirates just heard about jailbreak and figured that was the ONLY way to pirate and frankly if you are against piracy you should be thankful. These idiots are basically ruining their own machines at least for what they intended it for(piracy). Jailbreak is not piracy firmware period. If they load that stuff onto their machines just to do that, they've basically just shot themselves in the foot. They will be so limited it shouldn't even be worth it to them (because of the reasons I listed in my first post in this thread). Yet it's these dumbasses who keep doing it and giving a bad name to anyone jailbreaking their PS3's for legit reasons (and trust me there are way more than some people on this site want to think).

There's a better method they could use but most hackers would be damned if we ever actually give them the damn method considering the majority of us don't use it ourselves because we actually respect the people who make our games.

Each game is marked with some sensors wherever PS3 games are produced. PS3 detects this before starting the game. A copied game doesn't have these so it wont run. You can ask any hacker. and there is no legit reason for jailbreaking, cause it breaks the security code. Its like saying you broke into an atm booth to check your balance (for some reason if banks stop showing balance on it) and by doing so you are leaving it free for any one to withdraw money or ride it. No matter how you turn it, its illegal.

anyway lets get back on topic.

And there are legit reasons for jailbreaking. If I'm not playing pirated software I'm NOT breaking the law period. The system is mine the software I'm putting on it is not copyright. There isn't a single law that says I don't have the right to do it.

Okay, how abot this:
GEO HOTZ AND ANONYMOUS, I HATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, YOU HAVE MADE 1/2 OF MY SPRING BREAK BORING BECAUSE I AM REALLY LAZY AND ALL I WAS PLANNING ON DOING WAS PLAYING PSN BECAUSDE GOING OUTSIDE SUCKS AND STUFF.

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

This whole thing is a completely needless mess and we can only hope that it will perhaps deter companies from thinking that they can just do whatever they want without any consequences.

QuistisTrepe_

This is actually a healthy thing IMO. It sucks for Sony customers, but part of me can't help but feel a sense of justice that Sony is getting owned like this.

Causing companies to lose money--thus potentially affecting its employees--is not healthy. The hackers are not thinking of the consequences of their actions. They're not on the side of justice, and anyone who thinks so are delusional. We don't condone vigilantism, so why support the hackers?

lol IGN has an article that reads like a MS PR release.

http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/116/1163826p1.html

For all we know this will cause the next PS to have less features and maybe a online system you have to pay for. There s ZERO good in this. It hurts every one and gets nothing done.dvader654

Maybe the next PlayStation will actually be a thought-out system unlike the PS3 which represents a string of poor decion-making and needless adding/removing features during the actual course of the generation (BC, Home, trophies, Linux, etc, etc.). And maybe Sony (and everyone else, for that matter) will realize that trying to sue individuals over hacking or piracy is a complete and utter waste of time and money and only makes them look powerless and desperate. The outcome was hilarious, Sony made a DEAL with GeoHot which basically amounts to "nothing happened, let's all go on our merry way".

These stupid hacker punks have ruined a great thing for 70 million + people for their worthless little crusade.

"Anonymous" needs to go back to posting lame shock pictures and tentacle porn on /b/.

lol IGN has an article that reads like a MS PR release.

http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/116/1163826p1.html

S0lidSnake

tsst xbox. lol

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[QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"] They are copied to HD simply because there ARE pirates who use jailbreak to play pirated games but mainly it's because they are uninformed idiots who just follow news (and the hype like that created around here) while begging the hacker community for help for the simplest crap (which most real hackers hate BTW).

Most of these pirates just heard about jailbreak and figured that was the ONLY way to pirate and frankly if you are against piracy you should be thankful. These idiots are basically ruining their own machines at least for what they intended it for(piracy). Jailbreak is not piracy firmware period. If they load that stuff onto their machines just to do that, they've basically just shot themselves in the foot. They will be so limited it shouldn't even be worth it to them (because of the reasons I listed in my first post in this thread). Yet it's these dumbasses who keep doing it and giving a bad name to anyone jailbreaking their PS3's for legit reasons (and trust me there are way more than some people on this site want to think).

There's a better method they could use but most hackers would be damned if we ever actually give them the damn method considering the majority of us don't use it ourselves because we actually respect the people who make our games.

Ilikemyname420

Each game is marked with some sensors wherever PS3 games are produced. PS3 detects this before starting the game. A copied game doesn't have these so it wont run. You can ask any hacker. and there is no legit reason for jailbreaking, cause it breaks the security code. Its like saying you broke into an atm booth to check your balance (for some reason if banks stop showing balance on it) and by doing so you are leaving it free for any one to withdraw money or ride it. No matter how you turn it, its illegal.

anyway lets get back on topic.

And there are legit reasons for jailbreaking. If I'm not playing pirated software I'm NOT breaking the law period. The system is mine the software I'm putting on it is not copyright. There isn't a single law that says I don't have the right to do it.

OMG ok do a copy and send it to me ? kapish? if it works then I will give you a 100 dollars. Until you do it and make it work. just shut up.

[QUOTE="dvader654"]For all we know this will cause the next PS to have less features and maybe a online system you have to pay for. There s ZERO good in this. It hurts every one and gets nothing done.UpInFlames

Maybe the next PlayStation will actually be a thought-out system unlike the PS3 which represents a string of poor decion-making and needless adding/removing features during the actual course of the generation (BC, Home, trophies, Linux, etc, etc.). And maybe Sony (and everyone else, for that matter) will realize that trying to sue individuals over hacking or piracy is a complete and utter waste of time and money and only makes them look powerless and desperate. The outcome was hilarious, Sony made a DEAL with GeoHot which basically amounts to "nothing happened, let's all go on our merry way".

Actually this one was a well thought out system hence it took 4 years to crack.

sony is in the right here. geo hotz broke the law and deserved to be sued. He honestly got off easy.MrBlobz

maybe he started sobing like a little girl that he his, so Sony said alright nevermind just don't do it again, and sent him on his way with a pink lollipop.

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[QUOTE="dvader654"]For all we know this will cause the next PS to have less features and maybe a online system you have to pay for. There s ZERO good in this. It hurts every one and gets nothing done.dvader654

Maybe the next PlayStation will actually be a thought-out system unlike the PS3 which represents a string of poor decion-making and needless adding/removing features during the actual course of the generation (BC, Home, trophies, Linux, etc, etc.). And maybe Sony (and everyone else, for that matter) will realize that trying to sue individuals over hacking or piracy is a complete and utter waste of time and money and only makes them look powerless and desperate. The outcome was hilarious, Sony made a DEAL with GeoHot which basically amounts to "nothing happened, let's all go on our merry way".

I completely forgot about this. I recall watching a YouTube vid where Geohotz proved that he hacked the PS3. He pretty much asked for it.

Anonymous is on no ones side. They merely decided to muck around with Sony, got bored, and dispersed. As for who I am sided with, I'm on the fence with this. I would have sided with Hotz without question but people's account information being at risk has made me take a neutral stance. Though it wasn't Hotz's intention to have people's account information put at risk, he did cause it inadvertently through his actions.

Also, in regards to who anonymous is. They are everyone quite simply. There is no membership. Anyone who tells you that they are part of anonymous is lying. It isn't a group, merely ideas given a name because we have this strange desire to name everything as if it provides some sort of understanding. Though, I suppose you could say anonymous is a name given to a group of everyday individuals from all walks of life that decided to get together for a particular event, then disperse causing anonymous to cease existing. That's the beauty of it, it's ever changing and self governing. It has no long term desire or goal, it is simply random. It does the things it does because it can.

I am never on Anonymous' side in this because they never take a noble stance. They're harming the customer more than sony with their DDOSing. Anonymous basically never knows how to do things in a way that will make people think or cheer them on. They take a rocket launcher to a crowded neighborhood and then blame it on someone else.

Taking down PSN didn't harm sony, just the customers. It's the equivilant of beating up Old Man Jenkins customers because his drug store prices are too high.

The info stealing likely wasn't even Anonymous. It was most likely an oprotunistic group of hackers using the current situation to steal the info. And no, those hackers aren't going to do anything noble with that info nor did they do it to show Sony was incompetent or anything. They did it to make money selling that info. Supporting them is no different from supporting bank robbers.

I am never on Anonymous' side in this because they never take a noble stance. They're harming the customer more than sony with their DDOSing. Anonymous basically never knows how to do things in a way that will make people think or cheer them on. They take a rocket launcher to a crowded neighborhood and then blame it on someone else.

Taking down PSN didn't harm sony, just the customers. It's the equivilant of beating up Old Man Jenkins customers because his drug store prices are too high.

The info stealing likely wasn't even Anonymous. It was most likely an oprotunistic group of hackers using the current situation to steal the info. And no, those hackers aren't going to do anything noble with that info nor did they do it to show Sony was incompetent or anything. They did it to make money selling that info. Supporting them is no different from supporting bank robbers.

Pixel-Pirate

What about hunting down the man that abused his cat? What about finding the girl responsible for throwing the puppies into the river? What about sending a dieing man hundreds of cards?

Sony. Geohotz thinks he has the right to do that stuff? Sure it's his product once he's bought it but he tampered with it to ruin and take some profit of sony and he helped ruin PSN via provoking this Anonymous group

OB-47

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Maybe the next PlayStation will actually be a thought-out system unlike the PS3 which represents a string of poor decion-making and needless adding/removing features during the actual course of the generation (BC, Home, trophies, Linux, etc, etc.). And maybe Sony (and everyone else, for that matter) will realize that trying to sue individuals over hacking or piracy is a complete and utter waste of time and money and only makes them look powerless and desperate. The outcome was hilarious, Sony made a DEAL with GeoHot which basically amounts to "nothing happened, let's all go on our merry way".

King9999

I completely forgot about this. I recall watching a YouTube vid where Geohotz proved that he hacked the PS3. He pretty much asked for it.

How dare people tinker with hardware that they legally purchased. Gosh, I don't recall Apple's lawyers coming to sue me when I installed Snow Leopard on my non-Mac computer.

Personally I think these hackers (its really frustrating sometimes, not being able to swear) are really ruining the system for us. Most recently they have shut down the PSN network for 4 days.

I mean how I see it is we have a great system with awesome games and a FREE online playing option. And yet these idiots think its Sony destroying the world. Don't they understand that by making these games the studios and companies are not only providing entertainment but also employing and feeding millions of people, if they don't make money then why would they do it? If these idiots pirate all these games (which they have already done) it will soon shut down a lot of small but awesome studios, not every studio can sustain 25% losses, as they are not Activision Blizzard or EA. So imagine when there are no small studios and only a handful two or three, can you imagine how much they will take advantage of that? And at that time even their games would be crap cause there would be no competition. So who are the losers in the end its not Sony its not the stupid hackers, its us because we have to pay more for the same entertainment, possibly with even lesser quality.

So what do you guys think?

only PS3 owners please.

megadeth1984