Who here actually plays AO games?

Just out of curiosity who plays AO games?

If you do, what are they and what are your thoughts about them?

I played couple of them like X-change, and found them great. Many of them are hilarious.

Also if you have played AO games, what are your thoughts about bringing them to consoles?

I personally think it won't be bad with all those parental control setting, and it would be not very different from just having DVD player or VCR player at home. Also I found them more interesting than regular porn video because they often have story (some of them were actually good) to really follow and often have unrealistic situation possible because they aren't low low budget film.

If they sell it in local porn store, I probably would purchase them regularly like my normal games. I think games should expand that horizon more. Japan seems to have accepted such expansion better, why are we so allergic to the idea?

Also people might say why you would get off with virtual girl over real women. I can accept virtual girl more easily because they are NOT real women. Watching real women do such thing makes me feel little sad inside because it makes me think my sister or other close female around me can get into such situation and think about what those women goes through as well.

Less women in those video and more fictional characters to replace them, I say is better in general.

Japan seems to have accepted such expansion better, why are we so allergic to the idea? TriangleHard

I can't say I've played any AO games before, but I might if the console companies would actually pull their heads out of their asses and allow them on consoles. (I'm not much of a PC gamer at all.)

Um, other than GTA with its rather silly AO rating. No, I don't think so. I'll play any good game no matter what it's rating but AO rated games are few and far between.

There used to be a number of hentai games doing the rounds, don't see them anymore. If the game is fun, I don't mind a little extra titillation. That GTA AO thing was a travesty.

Well, I played the European version of Indigo Prophecy which would have gotten an AO rating if it wasn't censored - which is ridiculous considering the content. So is the Hot Coffee mod. Also, Mass Effect got a M rating because of a PG-13 sex scene. It got a 12+ in Europe.

Basically, I'm pretty much against the ESRB as an entity, period. Its ratings and descriptors border on absurdity and are rife with double standards. America needs an independent ratings panel without the ability to ban games, no arbitrary and useless ratings like AO.

Well, I played the European version of Indigo Prophecy which would have gotten an AO rating if it wasn't censored - which is ridiculous considering the content. So is the Hot Coffee mod. Also, Mass Effect got a M rating because of a PG-13 sex scene. It got a 12+ in Europe.

Basically, I'm pretty much against the ESRB as an entity, period. Its ratings and descriptors border on absurdity and are rife with double standards. America needs an independent ratings panel without the ability to ban games, no arbitrary and useless ratings like AO.

UpInFlames

I don't mind the ratings, because I do think some games should be out of reach for the youth of this country.

What I do mind is, why are AO games pushed aside so much?

Why can't companies give licenses to these games and game stores sell it only behind the counter where it isn't seen by kids and only sell the game to adults to asks for it and shows ID to prove it?

I don't care if games get AO rating. I only care about how difficult it is to get my hands on the game. AO rating seems to send games to oblivion where we have almost no chance to find it unless we go WAAAY out of our way. Why can't companies embrace it instead?

I just don't like it how game companies have to watch what they create because they are so afraid of that AO rating, not because no one will buy it, but because no one can buy it.

Also, why is M rating for 17 and up? Why can't it be 18 and up and be treated same as R rated movie? Why did they have to knock that 1 year off so M rated game isn't mature enough to be R rated movies, but odd place where it is somewhere between PG-13 movies and R rated movies? If it was recommended for 18 and up, then that 1 year would make huge difference allowing more freedom to developers.

I found more sex and violence in this PG-13 movie called Titanic than almost all M rated games.

I don't mind the ratings, because I do think some games should be out of reach for the youth of this country.

What I do mind is, why are AO games pushed aside so much?

Why can't companies give licenses to these games and game stores sell it only behind the counter where it isn't seen by kids and only sell the game to adults to asks for it and shows ID to prove it?

I don't care if games get AO rating. I only care about how difficult it is to get my hands on the game. AO rating seems to send games to oblivion where we have almost no chance to find it unless we go WAAAY out of our way. Why can't companies embrace it instead?

I just don't like it how game companies have to watch what they create because they are so afraid of that AO rating, not because no one will buy it, but because no one can buy it.

Also, why is M rating for 17 and up? Why can't it be 18 and up and be treated same as R rated movie? Why did they have to knock that 1 year off so M rated game isn't mature enough to be R rated movies, but odd place where it is somewhere between PG-13 movies and R rated movies? If it was recommended for 18 and up, then that 1 year would make huge difference allowing more freedom to developers.

I found more sex and violence in this PG-13 movie called Titanic than almost all M rated games.TriangleHard

I agree that certain content should not be available to children, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the fact that adult gamers are being deprived of content meant and geared towards them.

The ESRB's guidelines are absurd and their ratings are broken. They've created a certain stigma (AO = porn) which will be difficult to reverse. For some reason, the ESRB has a paranoid fear of all things even remotely sexual. From what you're saying, I have a feeling we are pretty much in agreement.

all games of that sort have been so bad that I don´t care...but to be honest: AO game in America???No way.And no AO-game in USA = none in Europe.Exept stuff like Virtual Hottie which is,like said,crappy.Ash2X

Try Japanese AO games like Kana Little Sister, X-Change, or imported ones like Artificial Girl 2.

They are pretty good.

To be honest, I actually like the Stigma of AO, because it keeps out alot of trash. Take alook at Japan and you may see what I mean. How many Hgames do they have there? It is a massive bussiness, Adventure games, except to sell...They throw in Sex, Nude pics, etc. Do you really need stuff like that in stores? Do you really want developers thinking that way.Shinoto

There's a lot of trash regardless. Crappy developers make crappy games and cheap cash-ins. But what about those few that would actually express themselves in a meaningful way? I say it's absolutely worth it.

Do you really want developers thinking that way.Shinoto

I want developers to think anyway they want. I don't want them to feel that they have to walk on egg shells when creating content for a game. I want them to not have to ask the question time and time again of "Is this going to get us into the AO rating area?" when they are making decisions on how they want the game to be presented. It only stifles growth and hinders our gaming medium from growing up. I say bring the H-games, bring the violent games, bring the grotesque-morbid suspense games and right after I play those I am going to rock the house with some Paper Mario and Bubble Bobble HD.

I want it all.

To be honest, I actually like the Stigma of AO, because it keeps out alot of trash. Take alook at Japan and you may see what I mean. How many Hgames do they have there? It is a massive bussiness, Adventure games, except to sell...They throw in Sex, Nude pics, etc. Do you really need stuff like that in stores? Do you really want developers thinking that way.Shinoto

I like H games.

What's wrong with H games? I actually want H game industry to grow because I think it is more helpful than harmful to the society and I find many of them very interesting.

Also as long as those things are away from children's view I DO want them in stores.

[QUOTE="Shinoto"]To be honest, I actually like the Stigma of AO, because it keeps out alot of trash. Take alook at Japan and you may see what I mean. How many Hgames do they have there? It is a massive bussiness, Adventure games, except to sell...They throw in Sex, Nude pics, etc. Do you really need stuff like that in stores? Do you really want developers thinking that way.UpInFlames

There's a lot of trash regardless. Crappy developers make crappy games and cheap cash-ins. But what about those few that would actually express themselves in a meaningful way? I say it's absolutely worth it.

See, Thats the golden question. For the one developer who actually has a meaningful, tastful, intelligent way to express themselves. And the dozen of others who are just going put it in there because they can or just do it to be shocking and nothing else. I believe a good developer will easily be able to overcome any of that or really need any of that. If they can protray it like, it shouldn't be a matter of fact. To be honest, it can even be looked as a copout. Want to just humanize a villian? Show a rape scene and OMG the villian can be understood. If they do. do it. I would want something fantastic. Something that really uses the adult theme for the complete betterment of the story. Not something that is just going for that cheap way out, cheap nudity, or just plain shock value. And to be honest, If someone is that good. I believe they can even do it without needing that rating. I like the idea of AO games sticking with just being online downloads *Cough be a great idea if Steam was the one who started it, with uncensored manhunt and such* Yes, Im quite devious of my intent.

See, Thats the golden question. For the one developer who actually has a meaningful, tastful, intelligent way to express themselves. And the dozen of others who are just going put it in there because they can or just do it to be shocking and nothing else. I believe a good developer will easily be able to overcome any of that or really need any of that. If they can protray it like, it shouldn't be a matter of fact. To be honest, it can even be looked as a copout. Want to just humanize a villian? Show a rape scene and OMG the villian can be understood. If they do. do it. I would want something fantastic. Something that really uses the adult theme for the complete betterment of the story. Not something that is just going for that cheap way out, cheap nudity, or just plain shock value. And to be honest, If someone is that good. I believe they can even do it without needing that rating. I like the idea of AO games sticking with just being online downloads *Cough be a great idea if Steam was the one who started it, with uncensored manhunt and such* Yes, Im quite devious of my intent.Shinoto

But the main point....hell, the only point is - they shouldn't be forced into having to work their way around anything. They should be the ones with that choice - not you, not me, and definitely not a small group of individuals who haven't got the slightest clue of how this industry works dictating what they can and can't do.

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[QUOTE="Shinoto"]To be honest, I actually like the Stigma of AO, because it keeps out alot of trash. Take alook at Japan and you may see what I mean. How many Hgames do they have there? It is a massive bussiness, Adventure games, except to sell...They throw in Sex, Nude pics, etc. Do you really need stuff like that in stores? Do you really want developers thinking that way.Shinoto

There's a lot of trash regardless. Crappy developers make crappy games and cheap cash-ins. But what about those few that would actually express themselves in a meaningful way? I say it's absolutely worth it.

See, Thats the golden question. For the one developer who actually has a meaningful, tastful, intelligent way to express themselves. And the dozen of others who are just going put it in there because they can or just do it to be shocking and nothing else. I believe a good developer will easily be able to overcome any of that or really need any of that. If they can protray it like, it shouldn't be a matter of fact. To be honest, it can even be looked as a copout. Want to just humanize a villian? Show a rape scene and OMG the villian can be understood. If they do. do it. I would want something fantastic. Something that really uses the adult theme for the complete betterment of the story. Not something that is just going for that cheap way out, cheap nudity, or just plain shock value. And to be honest, If someone is that good. I believe they can even do it without needing that rating. I like the idea of AO games sticking with just being online downloads *Cough be a great idea if Steam was the one who started it, with uncensored manhunt and such* Yes, Im quite devious of my intent.

Even if it isn't meaningful, tastful, or intelligent way to express things, I still think it is positive to have more AO games.

It's like movies. Some movies are so darn bad like Bloody Rayne, but at least it has some redeeming quality because there is a boob scene.

Also many games that's out right now does shameful cheap method of selling games like Mario Party or EA games that just goes "look we are using Wiimote" and tries to sell poor games or poor ports to gamers. Also if the game doesn't look good enough to stand on it's own, they would make sexy female protagonist to just make up for it like Cy Girls.

Not allowing AO rated games to sell didn't stop developers from providing really poor quality games to us. If AO rating is allowed, at least that will expand itself to give us at least unique quality to games that will have redeeming quality.

For instance, there will be new genre that can be more accepted like dating sims if AO rated games can sell here. Also finding it's way to console would make it much more convinent for people to access them than PC.

The number of bad games will always outnumber the number of good games, but this way at least good games can find new areas they can use to deliver while bad games can at least provide some other type of "fun"

Just because AO rated games can be more accessible don't mean immediately all games will feature such thing either. Children are still large market for games and AO rating can still put them out of the target. More accessible AO rated game just means expanding horizon, not much more.

[QUOTE="Shinoto"]To be honest, I actually like the Stigma of AO, because it keeps out alot of trash. Take alook at Japan and you may see what I mean. How many Hgames do they have there? It is a massive bussiness, Adventure games, except to sell...They throw in Sex, Nude pics, etc. Do you really need stuff like that in stores? Do you really want developers thinking that way.TriangleHard

I like H games.

What's wrong with H games? I actually want H game industry to grow because I think it is more helpful than harmful to the society and I find many of them very interesting.

Also as long as those things are away from children's view I DO want them in stores.

LOL, i'm picturing EB stores with a section at the back with a curtain where customers in trenchcoats go in and purchase smutt. I proudly admit, I will be one of those customers LOL.

[QUOTE="TriangleHard"]

[QUOTE="Shinoto"]To be honest, I actually like the Stigma of AO, because it keeps out alot of trash. Take alook at Japan and you may see what I mean. How many Hgames do they have there? It is a massive bussiness, Adventure games, except to sell...They throw in Sex, Nude pics, etc. Do you really need stuff like that in stores? Do you really want developers thinking that way.Old_Gooseberry

I like H games.

What's wrong with H games? I actually want H game industry to grow because I think it is more helpful than harmful to the society and I find many of them very interesting.

Also as long as those things are away from children's view I DO want them in stores.

LOL, i'm picturing EB stores with a section at the back with a curtain where customers in trenchcoats go in and purchase smutt. I proudly admit, I will be one of those customers LOL.

I was thinking more of behind the counter under the desk kind of thing.

And I'll be there covering my mouth going *cough* "pssh, I want __________, and please put it in a paper back so it can't be seen"

Why do people think porn games are awful?

There are so many awesome H games, and so many of them are so good, it's better than actual porn.

Also best part about it is, many of those H games is loved by my girlfriend. She usually hates regular porn because she thinks it is doing nothing but making women sex object, but she enjoys some of H games I have, and thanks to that it spices up our love life.

She cried quite a lot after playing Kana Little Sister and she found Artifical Girl 2 romantic and amusing.

Unlike porn, H games can create that setting where it can be more about love than just wild sex, and create that sensual feeling.

i don't know of any AO games, can someone give a list?

i don't know of any AO games, can someone give a list?

Juggernaut140

I can name few.

Kana Little Sister

GTA: San Andreas

X-Change

Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude

Playboy: The Mansion.

Second Life

Artificial Girl 2

Battle Raper