Why do a lot of gamers hate the Halo series?

[QUOTE="g805ge"]Why do a lot of gamers hate the Halo series?Sablicious

Because it's a series of forgettable, ho-hum, kiddy FPS games that caters exclusively to those of sub-normal Intelligence Quotiants. So... I suppose... people in general don't like this kind of thing. :roll:

They're tons of gamers who are regular normal average people who love Halo, you just made yourself look like an idiot.

Eh..I don't hate the series, although I didn't find the story or the campaign to be compelling in any way. In my opinion, the multiplayer is the only thing that made it reach the popularity it has now.viewtiful26

Not true, the first Halo didn't have any online multiplayer but it became popular anyway.

The answer is quite simple really. Because it's popular. People think it's cool to hate on something that's popular just because it's popular, whether they've played it or not. It's the same reason GTA gets alot of hate. Have a talk with most gamers in the real world, not the internet. You'll find the majority absolutely love both of these incredibly popular series.

Yes there will be alot of people who dont like these games for good reasons. Not everybody is going to like everything. But it's because so many people do like these games that so many feel the need to hate on them so much on the internet. You dont see many people feel the need to constantly post their hatred of games they dont like that aren't well known or popular.

[QUOTE="viewtiful26"]Eh..I don't hate the series, although I didn't find the story or the campaign to be compelling in any way. In my opinion, the multiplayer is the only thing that made it reach the popularity it has now.g805ge

Not true, the first Halo didn't have any online multiplayer but it became popular anyway.

[QUOTE="viewtiful26"]Eh..I don't hate the series, although I didn't find the story or the campaign to be compelling in any way. In my opinion, the multiplayer is the only thing that made it reach the popularity it has now.Cujo31

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[QUOTE="viewtiful26"]Eh..I don't hate the series, although I didn't find the story or the campaign to be compelling in any way. In my opinion, the multiplayer is the only thing that made it reach the popularity it has now.viewtiful26

Not true, the first Halo didn't have any online multiplayer but it became popular anyway.

Yes of course but Halo Combat Evolved was still famous for its single player and story. Many fans consider the first Halo to have the best campaign and story.

The answer is quite simple really. Because it's popular. People think it's cool to hate on something that's popular just because it's popular, whether they've played it or not. [...]burgeg

[QUOTE="burgeg"]The answer is quite simple really. Because it's popular. People think it's cool to hate on something that's popular just because it's popular, whether they've played it or not. [...]foxhound_fox

I think what he is trying to say is that it gets more hate for being so popular whereas a random crappy RPG won't get so much hate because nobody even knows about it.

Halo CE is far superior than its sequels in every way imaginable. It is simpler, longer, had a better story, more balanced multiplayer, powerful weapons, likeable characters and memorable enemies. It also had better graphics, in my opinion, than its xBox sequel.

And who can honestly say it didn't bring anything new? How many FPSs since Halo have not featured some kind of regenerating health system, hot-button for grenades and 2-player co-op? And how about Halo 2's matchmaking and party system? PC FPSs still aren't even close in my opinion. I'm not claiming that Halo was the first to do any of these, but it certainly set an example for everything after to follow.

I disagree with the comment that Halo is only popular for its multiplayer. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Go read any CE review published around its release date that gave CE's multiplayer the credit it deserved. People were enthralled with the campaign, and the multiplayer kept them coming back but never really gained the attention it merited. Unfortunately, Bungie decided to focus more on the multiplayer in 2 and 3.

Which bring me to another point. I also disagree with the comment that people don't like Halo because they are not good at it. I assume this is talking about the multiplayer? Are you kidding me? Halo 2 and 3 had the most dumbed-down gameplay I've ever seen. A three-year-old could (and often does) pick up the controller and have success even against a veteran. Just another reason why CE was so much better.

So why do people hate it? In my opinion, it's for one of two reasons:

1. They haven't played it at all, or haven't played it long enough to discover what's so great about it. In my experience, it took me more than one full play-through of CE's campaign before I realized how much I enjoyed it. I still play co-op to this day with one of my buddies from high-school.

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2. They've only experienced Halo 2 or 3. Halo 2 featured a mediocre campaign, and Halo 3's, although much better than 2's, was still a little behind the times. They also, in my opinion, both feature incredibly dumbed-down multiplayer that requires little skill, especially 3.

Edit: I failed to mention Halo's powerful one-button melee. I know many featured a melee before Halo, but they were always useless.

[QUOTE="burgeg"]The answer is quite simple really. Because it's popular. People think it's cool to hate on something that's popular just because it's popular, whether they've played it or not. [...]foxhound_fox

The Halo series averages a 95% Metacritic rating and has sold over 20 million copies worldwide.

What were you saying again? It's fine that you didn't enjoy the game, but in this case, popularity also translates into one of the best FPS trilogies of all time.

[QUOTE="burgeg"]The answer is quite simple really. Because it's popular. People think it's cool to hate on something that's popular just because it's popular, whether they've played it or not. [...]foxhound_fox

This isnt a particular bash at fox either before you start getting all sensetive on me lol.

Halo CE is far superior than its sequels in every way imaginable. It is simpler, longer, had a better story, more balanced multiplayer, powerful weapons, likeable characters and memorable enemies. It also had better graphics, in my opinion, than its xBox sequel.

And who can honestly say it didn't bring anything new? How many FPSs since Halo have not featured some kind of regenerating health system, hot-button for grenades and 2-player co-op? And how about Halo 2's matchmaking and party system? PC FPSs still aren't even close in my opinion. I'm not claiming that Halo was the first to do any of these, but it certainly set an example for everything after to follow.

I disagree with the comment that Halo is only popular for its multiplayer. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Go read any CE review published around its release date that gave CE's multiplayer the credit it deserved. People were enthralled with the campaign, and the multiplayer kept them coming back but never really gained the attention it merited. Unfortunately, Bungie decided to focus more on the multiplayer in 2 and 3.

Which bring me to another point. I also disagree with the comment that people don't like Halo because they are not good at it. I assume this is talking about the multiplayer? Are you kidding me? Halo 2 and 3 had the most dumbed-down gameplay I've ever seen. A three-year-old could (and often does) pick up the controller and have success even against a veteran. Just another reason why CE was so much better.

So why do people hate it? In my opinion, it's for one of two reasons:

1. They haven't played it at all, or haven't played it long enough to discover what's so great about it. In my experience, it took me more than one full play-through of CE's campaign before I realized how much I enjoyed it. I still play co-op to this day with one of my buddies from high-school.

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2. They've only experienced Halo 2 or 3. Halo 2 featured a mediocre campaign, and Halo 3's, although much better than 2's, was still a little behind the times. They also, in my opinion, both feature incredibly dumbed-down multiplayer that requires little skill, especially 3.

Edit: I failed to mention Halo's powerful one-button melee. I know many featured a melee before Halo, but they were always useless.

I beat Halo CE and Halo 2 then only played Halo 3 a bit until I realized how much it stunk. As for the first two, CE was a good game and I guess I can see why it has a following, but 2 and 3 were average at best. What I will give halo 2 is that it was obvious bungie was focusing on the online multiplayer aspect of the game and it turned out alright.

Nonetheless, I think all the Halo's are forgetable and I think most people that say "Halo is the ****" are casual 360 gamers who picked up Halo 2 and 3 for their FPS craving until CoD 4 came out.

And I was quite good at Halo so you can't put me in the "2. is a person who sucks at Halo" hater catagory.

Also,any person who says bioshock sucks, does not deserve to even have an opinion in anything considered gaming.

[QUOTE="burgeg"]The answer is quite simple really. Because it's popular. People think it's cool to hate on something that's popular just because it's popular, whether they've played it or not. [...]foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="burgeg"]The answer is quite simple really. Because it's popular. People think it's cool to hate on something that's popular just because it's popular, whether they've played it or not. [...]the1stmoonfly

This isnt a particular bash at fox either before you start getting all sensetive on me lol.

I beat Halo CE and Halo 2 then only played Halo 3 a bit until I realized how much it stunk. As for the first two, CE was a good game and I guess I can see why it has a following, but 2 and 3 were average at best. What I will give halo 2 is that it was obvious bungie was focusing on the online multiplayer aspect of the game and it turned out alright.

Nonetheless, I think all the Halo's are forgetable and I think most people that say "Halo is the ****" are casual 360 gamers who picked up Halo 2 and 3 for their FPS craving until CoD 4 came out.

And I was quite good at Halo so you can't put me in the "2. is a person who sucks at Halo" hater catagory.

Also,any person who says bioshock sucks, does not deserve to even have an opinion in anything considered gaming.

Edwardo212

The Halo series averages a 95% Metacritic rating and has sold over 20 million copies worldwide.

What were you saying again? It's fine that you didn't enjoy the game, but in this case, popularity also translates into one of the best FPS trilogies of all time.

Dutch_Mix

The problem is that people who dont like it due to their oppinion, (which is all fine) seem to have a need to rufuse to accept its a good game and tell the whole world. Just because your oppinion is that its not good doesnt mean that the game isnt good. I dont like final fantasy or MGS, but I cant deny the facts that they are good games. Simple rule, if something is extremely poplular then its good whether you agree or not. BTW, hating on something is not the same as not liking it.the1stmoonfly

Actually it does. A measure of how good something is comes only from how polular it is. You could make the best game in the world, but if no one wants to play it then its no good.the1stmoonfly

[QUOTE="the1stmoonfly"]Actually it does. A measure of how good something is comes only from how polular it is. You could make the best game in the world, but if no one wants to play it then its no good.foxhound_fox

Yeah that's a strange quote. Good stuff can be ignored. As for Grim, he gets ignored by his own company the poor fool.

You know people that are sat saying "everyone has it all wrong, they dont see it but I really know whats going on", they usually end up with a visit form the men in white coats. Your starting to sound like those people who claim cars are a bad idea when its obvious the entire planet disagrees. If demand isnt a measure of the quality of a product then what is because in the end thats all that matters. Games are nothing more than a form of entertainment, and the more entertaining they are the better they are at their purpose. They are just meant to be fun and Halo is for m illions of gamers, therein lies its appeal, its quality (in whatever form that takes) and thats how you measue how good something is even if you dont agree with it. I love Halo CE, for me 2 was meh and I didnt really bother with 3 and for me the franchise peaked with the first game, I'm still not going to dissagree with millions that say its great just because I dont think so.

I'm not going to disagree with you that some excellent games get overlooked, but thats not the same as trying to claim a record breaking franchise is crp now is it.

k [QUOTE="Edwardo212"]

I beat Halo CE and Halo 2 then only played Halo 3 a bit until I realized how much it stunk. As for the first two, CE was a good game and I guess I can see why it has a following, but 2 and 3 were average at best. What I will give halo 2 is that it was obvious bungie was focusing on the online multiplayer aspect of the game and it turned out alright.

Nonetheless, I think all the Halo's are forgetable and I think most people that say "Halo is the ****" are casual 360 gamers who picked up Halo 2 and 3 for their FPS craving until CoD 4 came out.

And I was quite good at Halo so you can't put me in the "2. is a person who sucks at Halo" hater catagory.

Also,any person who says bioshock sucks, does not deserve to even have an opinion in anything considered gaming.

g805ge

Ok I'll go with that.

You know people that are sat saying "everyone has it all wrong, they dont see it but I really know whats going on", they usually end up with a visit form the men in white coats. Your starting to sound like those people who claim cars are a bad idea when its obvious the entire planet disagrees. If demand isnt a measure of the quality of a product then what is because in the end thats all that matters. Games are nothing more than a form of entertainment, and the more entertaining they are the better they are at their purpose. They are just meant to be fun and Halo is for m illions of gamers, therein lies its appeal, its quality (in whatever form that takes) and thats how you measue how good something is even if you dont agree with it. I love Halo CE, for me 2 was meh and I didnt really bother with 3 and for me the franchise peaked with the first game, I'm still not going to dissagree with millions that say its great just because I dont think so.

I'm not going to disagree with you that some excellent games get overlooked, but thats not the same as trying to claim a record breaking franchise is crp now is it.

the1stmoonfly

[QUOTE="the1stmoonfly"]

You know people that are sat saying "everyone has it all wrong, they dont see it but I really know whats going on", they usually end up with a visit form the men in white coats. Your starting to sound like those people who claim cars are a bad idea when its obvious the entire planet disagrees. If demand isnt a measure of the quality of a product then what is because in the end thats all that matters. Games are nothing more than a form of entertainment, and the more entertaining they are the better they are at their purpose. They are just meant to be fun and Halo is for m illions of gamers, therein lies its appeal, its quality (in whatever form that takes) and thats how you measue how good something is even if you dont agree with it. I love Halo CE, for me 2 was meh and I didnt really bother with 3 and for me the franchise peaked with the first game, I'm still not going to dissagree with millions that say its great just because I dont think so.

I'm not going to disagree with you that some excellent games get overlooked, but thats not the same as trying to claim a record breaking franchise is crp now is it.

foxhound_fox

I was about to say something similar.

If everyone hypes a game, more people are going to buy it, but the reason they bought it has nothing to do with the actual quality of the game, only expected quality.

For an example of a game that didn't sell well yet was high quality, look at Okami. It's not hard to find flaws with the game, but it rivals Zelda games in quality.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="the1stmoonfly"]

You know people that are sat saying "everyone has it all wrong, they dont see it but I really know whats going on", they usually end up with a visit form the men in white coats. Your starting to sound like those people who claim cars are a bad idea when its obvious the entire planet disagrees. If demand isnt a measure of the quality of a product then what is because in the end thats all that matters. Games are nothing more than a form of entertainment, and the more entertaining they are the better they are at their purpose. They are just meant to be fun and Halo is for m illions of gamers, therein lies its appeal, its quality (in whatever form that takes) and thats how you measue how good something is even if you dont agree with it. I love Halo CE, for me 2 was meh and I didnt really bother with 3 and for me the franchise peaked with the first game, I'm still not going to dissagree with millions that say its great just because I dont think so.

I'm not going to disagree with you that some excellent games get overlooked, but thats not the same as trying to claim a record breaking franchise is crp now is it.

Angry_Beaver

I was about to say something similar.

If everyone hypes a game, more people are going to buy it, but the reason they bought it has nothing to do with the actual quality of the game, only expected quality.

For an example of a game that didn't sell well yet was high quality, look at Okami. It's not hard to find flaws with the game, but it rivals Zelda games in quality.

OK so you didnt say Halo is crp and I wasnt intentionally trying to say you did. You did howerver say, and for me this is the important bit, that IN YOUR OPINION its not a quality title. I simply say its not your forte, and that has no real bearing on its quality in general, and that a mojority opinion to the contrary of yours proves this. I suppose you could argue that there are probably more gamers in the world not playing H3 than there are, but in the FPS genre its up there with some of the most popular/best. Back on topic though, people hating on Halo (which is what I was intending to refer to with the crp comment) for me is nothing more than people who dont particularly like that game sounding out a feeling of jealousy or whatever at its success. I don't think you would be included in this catagory.

I have never owned a Halo game, but I have played all 3 of them at a friends house, and I can say that the multiplayer is very enjoyable. Though whenever we do the co-op mode, I feel like falling asleep...

[QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"]The Halo series averages a 95% Metacritic rating and has sold over 20 million copies worldwide.

What were you saying again? It's fine that you didn't enjoy the game, but in this case, popularity also translates into one of the best FPS trilogies of all time.

foxhound_fox

Hey, why don't you read my post and then reply to it?

To reiterate, the Halo series averages a 95% Metacritic rating. In other words, it's one of the highest rated games of all time. So yeah, you just didn't enjoy it - which is fine - but don't come here and act like your opinion trumps what 20 million people think of the Halo series.

Halo is an amazing series with a great story that ties into the books and great gameplay from AI to replayability. There's really nothing to hate about Halo, or any video game; and there's no point to hating a video game. The reason why Halo is popular is because people like to play the game. Halo 3 was the most played Xbox Live game of 2008 for a reason. And it's still selling copies.

What I hate is that gamers try to claim that it's generic, medicore or average just because they didn't like it as much. I also hate it when people say Halo 3 had a terrible story, where it had a great story. Infact, it continues the story from it's predessors and books. If you haven't read the books, it doesn't mean the story is bad. It is you deciding whether or not to read the books.

The fact is, Halo is an amazing video game series.

Hey, why don't you read my post and then reply to it?

To reiterate, the Halo series averages a 95% Metacritic rating. In other words, it's one of the highest rated games of all time. So yeah, you just didn't enjoy it - which is fine - but don't come here and act like your opinion trumps what 20 million people think of the Halo series.

Dutch_Mix

[QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"]Hey, why don't you read my post and then reply to it?

To reiterate, the Halo series averages a 95% Metacritic rating. In other words, it's one of the highest rated games of all time. So yeah, you just didn't enjoy it - which is fine - but don't come here and act like your opinion trumps what 20 million people think of the Halo series.

foxhound_fox

Based on forums on the intenet, you'd think Halo and GTA were two of the worst and most hated series of all time. We all know that's not true and we all know that these series are regarded by millions as two of the greatest and most loved series of all time.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"]Hey, why don't you read my post and then reply to it?

To reiterate, the Halo series averages a 95% Metacritic rating. In other words, it's one of the highest rated games of all time. So yeah, you just didn't enjoy it - which is fine - but don't come here and act like your opinion trumps what 20 million people think of the Halo series.

burgeg

Based on forums on the intenet, you'd think Halo and GTA were two of the worst and most hated series of all time. We all know that's not true and we all know that these series are regarded by millions as two of the greatest and most loved series of all time.

I really don't think "because it's popular" is a complete answer. Along with popularity also came the thought that Halo was an exceptional FPS, when many who had prior experience with the genre would vehemently disagree, as we can observe. As it happens, most who had prior experience with the genre got said experience on the PC, where FPSs had been quite popular. Consoles hadn't seen many by the time Halo came out, and it was the first to have decent graphics and control on the console platform. It was definitely (IMO) exceptional when looking at the console platform, but many people think it was not an exceptional entry in the genre compared with previous games--games which console-only players didn't have exposure to.

Then there are those whose prior experience consists of Goldeneye, PD, and some other console FPSs. I can't really say much there.

People will dislike halo for whatever reasons they want. Not everybody is going to like it. But it's an undeniable fact that it gets so much hate because it's popular. There's a big difference between not liking something and hating on it. Like I said before GTA suffers from the same thing. Notice how less well known franchises that people dislike way more than Halo aren't hated on very much at all?

Based on forums on the intenet, you'd think Halo and GTA were two of the worst and most hated series of all time. We all know that's not true and we all know that these series are regarded by millions as two of the greatest and most loved series of all time.

burgeg

[QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"]Hey, why don't you read my post and then reply to it?

To reiterate, the Halo series averages a 95% Metacritic rating. In other words, it's one of the highest rated games of all time. So yeah, you just didn't enjoy it - which is fine - but don't come here and act like your opinion trumps what 20 million people think of the Halo series.

foxhound_fox

Yeah, no. I disregard your opinion because you act as though your view of Halo actually contains valid criticisms when in fact it contains nothing more than absurd and elitist ramblings that are completely out of touch with reality.

If you can't recognize quality in games such as Halo then I suggest you find another form of entertainment.

It's just boring. I mean it's just constant shooting. But if it were more like half-life, then it would be better. In a game like that, you actually have to think to progress through levels. There is nothing like that in halo.Pwnage_Dragon

While I did enjoy Halo and Halo 2, I was originally a PC gamer. So, from that point of view, they were actually mediocre at best; however, what got me into them was the co-op and the first game had an interesting story line. The Halo 2 and 3 didn't have a very powerful storyline, which, IMO, became a bit of its problem. I still think this game has the best MP for consoles because it offers up to 4 players on one console to play on-line, which no other shooter offers, which is lazy development. doomsoth