Would you put the Xbox's quality over the PS2's quantity?

6th generation...buddy I got the Dreamcast holiday of 99', I saw others play one and tried it out at Funcoland. That thing blew me away.

Long story short the Dreamcast was finished and I needed another console to fall on.

The PS2 for some reason never grabbed my attention, maybe because it helped kill my console the Dreamcast but I don't quite know. The Gamcube and Xbox were in the wings...both had great looking games.

My cousin got one when they came out. Halo was his game......WOW! I was blown away, I saw Shrek, SSX, Fuzion Frenzy and knew the potential it had. Another friend of mine bought one and right then I made up my mind and got the Xbox.

That was my console, besides feeling left out of the GTA 3 craze and wishing I had Half Life I didn't worry too much.

Xbox provided plenty of LAN parties, Forza, HALO, THE BADDEST MOFO RPG OF ALL TIME STAR WARS KOTOR, and later Xbox Live. Plus the big Duke Controller actually fit my hand great unlike ol DualCrap Sony made.

Xbox > Dreamcast > Gamecube (Resident Evil saved this console IMO) > PS2

Much better RPGS on the XBox, IMO.

• The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
• Fable
• Jade Empire
• Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
• Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Between all those action-RPGs, and other awesome exclusives like Halo 1 & 2, Ninja Gaiden, MechAssault 1 & 2, and Crimson Skies; it was my console of choice during that generation after the Dreamcast fizzled out. The XBox Live was LEAGUES ahead of the competion in the online department. And on top of all of that, XBox usually always had the best version of multiplatform games.

Emerald_Warrior

That sums things up good. :cool: You can play SW KOTOR now and give it crap...but the story is GREAT, won GOTY, and had good technical aspects in its time. Its hard to appreciate SW KOTOR with Mass Effect, Fallout, and the like blowing it away in terms of visuals and scale. I cant say enough about that game or Halo Combat Evolved for that matter.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

 

Much better RPGS on the XBox, IMO.

• The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
• Fable
• Jade Empire
• Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
• Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

 

Between all those action-RPGs, and other awesome exclusives like Halo 1 & 2, Ninja Gaiden, MechAssault 1 & 2, and Crimson Skies; it was my console of choice during that generation after the Dreamcast fizzled out. The XBox Live was LEAGUES ahead of the competion in the online department. And on top of all of that, XBox usually always had the best version of multiplatform games.

Change_MyShorts

That sums things up good. :cool: You can play SW KOTOR now and give it crap...but the story is GREAT, won GOTY, and had good technical aspects in its time. Its hard to appreciate SW KOTOR with Mass Effect, Fallout, and the like blowing it away in terms of visuals and scale. I cant say enough about that game or Halo Combat Evolved for that matter.

I believe Windwaker won GOTY here.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Much better RPGS on the XBox, IMO.

• The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
• Fable
• Jade Empire
• Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
• Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Between all those action-RPGs, and other awesome exclusives like Halo 1 & 2, Ninja Gaiden, MechAssault 1 & 2, and Crimson Skies; it was my console of choice during that generation after the Dreamcast fizzled out. The XBox Live was LEAGUES ahead of the competion in the online department. And on top of all of that, XBox usually always had the best version of multiplatform games.

Change_MyShorts

That sums things up good. :cool: You can play SW KOTOR now and give it crap...but the story is GREAT, won GOTY, and had good technical aspects in its time. Its hard to appreciate SW KOTOR with Mass Effect, Fallout, and the like blowing it away in terms of visuals and scale. I cant say enough about that game or Halo Combat Evolved for that matter.

Just to be clear, that wasn't a list of exclusives, that was a list of action-RPGs.

And why doesn't Arx Fatalis and Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes count as exclusive action-RPGs? Arx Fatalis is freaking amazing.

[QUOTE="wiicube64"]

I personally can't. While the Xbox was a fine system, its few great exclusives can't match the PS2's HUGE list of amazing content. Also, I like RPGs so its easy to see why I would prefer the PS2.

MicrosoftVP_Ted

[QUOTE="MicrosoftVP_Ted"][QUOTE="wiicube64"]

I personally can't. While the Xbox was a fine system, its few great exclusives can't match the PS2's HUGE list of amazing content. Also, I like RPGs so its easy to see why I would prefer the PS2.

thebest31406

Other than not being able to apply mods, what was wrong with the XBox version of Morrowind?

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="MicrosoftVP_Ted"] There are Rpgs on the Xbox, and few exclusives is a misinformation. I would suggest further research.Emerald_Warrior

Other than not being able to apply mods, what was wrong with the XBox version of Morrowind?

I never had framerate issues, the game plays seemlessly as an open world. And the graphics were jaw-droppingly amazing when it came out. It's literally the game that made me buy an XBox and finally put my Dreamcast away.

I think you're getting updates confused with mods, though. Updates fix problems such as framerate and graphics (if they were problems). Mods are changes made to the game such as new gameplay modes or skins, and are often made by fans. Regardless, this is an issue with any console game of the generation. So it seems like a silly complaint.

Any official expansions are available on XBox, such as Bloodmoon and Tribunal in the Game of the Year Edition of the game, though.

^ Touche.

But all those games put together still don't come close to Morrowind.

Emerald_Warrior

But in terms of fun, story, or combat, I'd say at least 1/4 of those PS2 action RPG's out-class Morrowind in one or more of those categories, IMO.

I never had framerate issues, the game plays seemlessly as an open world. And the graphics were jaw-droppingly amazing when it came out. It's literally the game that made me buy an XBox and finally put my Dreamcast away.

I think you're getting updates confused with mods, though. Updates fix problems such as framerate and graphics (if they were problems). Mods are changes made to the game such as new gameplay modes or skins, and are often made by fans. Regardless, this is an issue with any console game of the generation. So it seems like a silly complaint.

Any official expansions are available on XBox, such as Bloodmoon and Tribunal in the Game of the Year Edition of the game, though.

Emerald_Warrior

I remember when Legacy Forum was relatively troll free and we all just discussed our love of gaming without idiots making ridiculous claims, arguments and the like.Shenmue_Jehuty

Which is funny, being that the most outlandish claims here are coming from you :D

Over 10,000 games?

10 to 1 ratio?

I looked and most places seem to indicate there are, like 4000 unique PS2 games

Personally from what I've played of the two systems I'd think 2 to 1 ratio of good games might even be too high

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]I remember when Legacy Forum was relatively troll free and we all just discussed our love of gaming without idiots making ridiculous claims, arguments and the like.Domino_slayer

Which is funny, being that the most outlandish claims here are coming from you :D

Over 10,000 games?

10 to 1 ratio?

I looked and most places seem to indicate there are, like 4000 unique PS2 games

Personally from what I've played of the two systems I'd think 2 to 1 ratio of good games might even be too high

Then you should rethink your taste.Dudersaper

Mainly I think knowledge on the XBox on this forum is simply painfully limited.

You get a lot of ridiculous statements saying things like Gamecube has better exclusives etc, heck, you could probably remove all multi-format games, and all PC shared games on XBox and it would still have more exclusives than Gamecube :?

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Its probably worth bringing up in a quality vs quantity argument that XBox has a ton of the same games as PS2, but has better versions of said games, XBox games also had better online features, and faster, and more intuitive saving with the hard-drive

[QUOTE="Dudersaper"]Then you should rethink your taste.Domino_slayer

Mainly I think knowledge on the XBox on this forum is simply painfully limited.

You get a lot of ridiculous statements saying things like Gamecube has better exclusives etc, heck, you could probably remove all multi-format games, and all PC shared games on XBox and it would still have more exclusives than Gamecube :?

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Its probably worth bringing up in a quality vs quantity argument that XBox has a ton of the same games as PS2, but has better versions of said games, XBox games also had better online features, and faster, and more intuitive saving with the hard-drive

I don't understand why exclusives are so important anyway.

I don't miss your girlfriend, i have my own who does her own things that i enjoy.

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If you remove all the multi-platform games on all systems, you'll find the ones that are left mostly do similar things compared to each other even if they don't share the same name/developer/publisher. And the oddities are each to their own; XBox players didn't get Mr Moskeeto or Kuri Kuri Mix, but that doesn't mean you don't have your own weirdness titles. If they're not on the same system then they're incomparable and neither is 'best'.

[QUOTE="Dudersaper"]Then you should rethink your taste.Domino_slayer

Mainly I think knowledge on the XBox on this forum is simply painfully limited.

You get a lot of ridiculous statements saying things like Gamecube has better exclusives etc, heck, you could probably remove all multi-format games, and all PC shared games on XBox and it would still have more exclusives than Gamecube :?

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Its probably worth bringing up in a quality vs quantity argument that XBox has a ton of the same games as PS2, but has better versions of said games, XBox games also had better online features, and faster, and more intuitive saving with the hard-drive

I wouldn't say it's that limited, I see lot of people here mentioning lot of great exclusives on the system, even lesser known ones.Dudersaper

Well, I often see people saying the system has no "true" exclusives, heck its been said in this thread multiple times already, and yet I could most likely list 30 odd games on XBox which are completely exclusive, with no PC games in sight.

Compare this to the Gamecube's presence here, where the barrel had been well and truly scraped (I often hear PN03, and Geist heralded as underrated classics for instance). Heck I would argue than even generally respected games like Killer 7, and Crystal Chronicles are pretty overrated.

[QUOTE="MicrosoftVP_Ted"][QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I'm pretty sure you're the same guy who was banned about a month ago for making a similar argument (possibly Another48Hours) so I'm not going to get into with you. There are over 10,000 PS2 games released since it launched (look it up if you don't believe me), and even if you say only 500 are worth owning, it still dwarfs the XBOX in that department. I'm done with this thread now.

Shenmue_Jehuty

Have your fun while it lasts, I just reported you :)

[QUOTE="CaptainGamespot"]

[QUOTE="MicrosoftVP_Ted"]I like to envision the Xbox as the only quality entertainment interactive on the market the 6th generation of gaming consoles, and it is so. While not to far off from the PS2 library, would you agree that exclusives and shared with others, that the Xbox simply had more quality assured than the PS2? You can talk about quantity, however, tons of games in genres that the PS2 is not strong act are sub-par compared to the engaging experience on the Xbox other than japanese developed Action-Adventure and Role-playing titles, which at the time were all very similar and are not actually relevant.MicrosoftVP_Ted

f*** no, I would never do that. I bought an xbox, loved it, supported it, bought xbox live, bought every AAA title, even some AA titles. 

Can't top the ps2 library though, can't even touch it. Sony had soo many exclusive 1st party games and 3rd party games to ignore.

ps2 had too much high ranking quality games and obviously quantity of games. ps2 was a beast. 

it's not a quality vs. quanity equation, as ps2 had both titles.

gamespot.com is bad as they don't review all games. 

also, ps2 had great first party last gen, you should look that up.

i think the gamecube+ xbox out number ps2 period , 

  with all the garbage that littered ps2 im surprised people put it over xbox gamecube  who wants to play cooking mama or go diego go or dora or barbies horse adventure  ,   seriously i blame ps2 for what happened with wii 

i think the gamecube+ xbox out number ps2 period , 

mariokart64fan

offtopic gamecube post by mariokart fan.

also, no you are wrong anyways. they don't outnumber, even if you unfairly combine two systems library against one.

solution : stop thinking?

I've got Jet Set Radio Future and Shenmue 2. That's all the Xbox had to offer in terms of good exclusives.

The Xbox had very few quality exclusives. The PS2 not only had MORE exclusives, but they were mostly quality games.

The PS2 had both quality AND quanitity.

• Jak and Daxter
• Wild Arms
• Kingdom Hearts
• Dark Cloud
• Tales of Legendia
• Tales of the Abyss
• Final Fantasy
• Suikoden
• Metal Gear Solid
• Ico
• Shadow of the Colossus
• Persona
• Digital Devil Saga
• Devil Summoner
• Nocturne
• Shadow Hearts
• Harvest Moon: Save the Homeland
• Arc the Lad
• Dragon Quest VIII

The Xbox and Gamecube couldn't compete. The PS2 still stands as the greatest console of all time.

I've got Jet Set Radio Future and Shenmue 2. That's all the Xbox had to offer in terms of good exclusives.

GeoffZak

The original XBOX has tons of great exclusives, have you ever played Phantom Dust? That game is amazing. And it has a ton of other great gems like Otogi/Otogi 2, Gunvalkyrie, Spikeout Battle Street (underrated imo), Conker Live & Reloaded, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Ninja Gaiden Dead or Alive 3, Kingdom Under Fire, Metal Worlf Chaos (seriously, cheesy but hella fun :P). Not to mention games that it shares only with PC.

I still agree with you that it doesn't compete with the PS2, but saying Xbox only had those 2 good exclusives is jut wrong :P

I started on a list of completely exclusive XBox games which got ~7 and higher

Project Gotham Racing 1 & 2
Panza Dragoon Orta
Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
RalliSport Challenge 2
MechAssault & MechAssault 2
Jet Set Radio Future
Phantom Dust
Steel Battalion
Otogi & Otogi 2
Kingdom Under Fire: Crusaders & Kingdom Under Fire: Heroes
Amped & Amped 2
Midtown Madness 3
Crimson Sea
Brute Force
Voodoo Vince
Apex
Quantum Redshift
Kung Fu Chaos
Dungeons and Dragons: Heroes
Phantom Crash
Breakdown
GunValkyrie
Blinx & Blinx 2
Hunter The Reckoning: Redeemer
Forza Motorsport
Unreal Championship 2
Transworld Snowboarding
Raze's Hell
Blood Wake
Fushion Frenzy
Dead or Alive 3
Mad Dash Racing
Dead or Alive Volleyball

If I added all the XBox + PC only games I think it could probably double tbh.

There were also a bunch of games that were exclusive at the time, but not anymore (Ninja Gaiden & Strangers Wrath for example)

I started on a list of completely exclusive XBox games which got ~7 and higher

Project Gotham Racing 1 & 2
Panza Dragoon Orta
Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
RalliSport Challenge 2
MechAssault & MechAssault 2
Jet Set Radio Future
Phantom Dust
Steel Battalion
Otogi & Otogi 2
Kingdom Under Fire: Crusaders & Kingdom Under Fire: Heroes
Amped & Amped 2
Midtown Madness 3
Crimson Sea
Brute Force
Voodoo Vince
Apex
Quantum Redshift
Kung Fu Chaos
Dungeons and Dragons: Heroes
Phantom Crash
Breakdown
GunValkyrie
Blinx & Blinx 2
Hunter The Reckoning: Redeemer
Forza Motorsport
Unreal Championship 2
Transworld Snowboarding
Raze's Hell
Blood Wake
Fushion Frenzy
Dead or Alive 3
Mad Dash Racing
Dead or Alive Volleyball

If I added all the XBox + PC only games I think it could probably double tbh.

There were also a bunch of games that were exclusive at the time, but not anymore (Ninja Gaiden & Strangers Wrath for example)

Domino_slayer

Wow. And my list of exclusives didn't have a good amount of those games on it. I just put my favorite exclusives.

The game Dudersaper mentioned (Metal Wolf Chaos) actually looks very cool too (it looks both hilarious, and fun to play), shame its Japan only and seems to be selling for >$150 on Ebay :shock: otherwise I would've bought it :(

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

^ Touche.

But all those games put together still don't come close to Morrowind.

Jag85

But in terms of fun, story, or combat, I'd say at least 1/4 of those PS2 action RPG's out-class Morrowind in one or more of those categories, IMO.

I'd say that anything that doesn't have broken combat outclasses Morrowind.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

^ Touche.

But all those games put together still don't come close to Morrowind.

GreySeal9

But in terms of fun, story, or combat, I'd say at least 1/4 of those PS2 action RPG's out-class Morrowind in one or more of those categories, IMO.

I'd say that anything that doesn't have broken combat outclasses Morrowind.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"] In terms of open-endedness or scale, perhaps.

But in terms of fun, story, or combat, I'd say at least 1/4 of those PS2 action RPG's out-class Morrowind in one or more of those categories, IMO.

Allicrombie

I'd say that anything that doesn't have broken combat outclasses Morrowind.

I think that it had much more inspired art design than Oblivion and an interesting atmosphere, but I found the combat portion unplayable, atleast on Xbox. Never played the PC version.

I started on a list of completely exclusive XBox games which got ~7 and higher

Project Gotham Racing 1 & 2
Panza Dragoon Orta
Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
RalliSport Challenge 2
MechAssault & MechAssault 2
Jet Set Radio Future
Phantom Dust
Steel Battalion
Otogi & Otogi 2
Kingdom Under Fire: Crusaders & Kingdom Under Fire: Heroes
Amped & Amped 2
Midtown Madness 3
Crimson Sea
Brute Force
Voodoo Vince
Apex
Quantum Redshift
Kung Fu Chaos
Dungeons and Dragons: Heroes
Phantom Crash
Breakdown
GunValkyrie
Blinx & Blinx 2
Hunter The Reckoning: Redeemer
Forza Motorsport
Unreal Championship 2
Transworld Snowboarding
Raze's Hell
Blood Wake
Fushion Frenzy
Dead or Alive 3
Mad Dash Racing
Dead or Alive Volleyball

If I added all the XBox + PC only games I think it could probably double tbh.

There were also a bunch of games that were exclusive at the time, but not anymore (Ninja Gaiden & Strangers Wrath for example)

Domino_slayer

Let's compare, shall we? (I'm actually really curious to see how the Xbox's list compares to the PS2's list.) :P

• Kingdom Hearts
• Kingdom Hearts 2
• Dark Cloud
• Dark Cloud 2
• Final Fantasy X
• Final Fantasy XII
• Dragon Quest VIII
• Tales of the Abyss
• Tales of Legendia
• Shadow Hearts
• Shadow Hearts: Covenant
• Shadow Hearts: from the New World
• Ape Escape 2
• Ape Escape 3
• Jak and Daxter
• Jak 2
• Jak 3
• Jak X
• Sly Cooper
• Sly 2
• Sly 3
• Ratchet and Clank
• Ratchet and Clank Going Commando
• Ratchet and Clank up your Arsenal
• Ratchet Deadlocked
• Nocturne
• Digital Devil Saga
• Devil Summoner
• Persona 3
• Persona 4
• Wild Arms 3
• Wild Arms 4
• Wild Arms 5
• Wild Arms Alter Code: F
• Rogue Galaxy
• Grandia 3
• Shadow of the Colossus
• Ico
• Metal Gear Solid 2
• Metal Gear Solid 3
• .hack
• DBZ Budokai 2
• DBZ Budokai 3
• Maximo Ghosts to Glory
• Harvest Moon Save the Homeland
• Okage: Shadow King
• Devil May Cry
• Devil May Cry 2
• Devil May Cry 3
• Arc the Lad
• Grafitti Kingdom
• Magic Pengel
• Suikoden 3
• Suikoden 4
• Suikoden 5
• God of War
• God of War 2
• Gran Turismo 3
• Gran Turismo 4
• Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
• Steambot Chronicles
• Zone of the Enders
• Zone of the Enders: The 2nd Runner

I'm out of breath. Haha. I don't even think that's half of it.

Outside of the claim that PS2 has "10 times the number of good games" nobody is arguing that the PS2 doesn't have quantity over the Xbox. If you were trying to argue that specific point about the 1:10 ratio then you're about 500 PS2 games short at the moment.

The other point currently on the table is that the XBox "has no exclusives" listing PS2 games does not prove the Xbox has no exclusives either

Other than that you also listed non-exclusives there.

Neither Metal Gear Solid is an exclusive, Metal Gear Solid 2 was on Xbox and both are now on a variety of newer systems, as well as both Zone of the Enders games being on 360 and PS3 (and discounting these systems adds to the Xbox list also as that would re-instate Ninja Gaiden and Strangers Wrath)

As said earlier adding the XBox/PC only (console exclusive) games would also double my Xbox list.

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The main question of this thread was "does the Xbox have quality over quantity?" many people shot this idea down, personally I disagree. Take into acount that XBox games tend to have better framerates than PS2 games, that multi-platform games tend to be better on XBox, that XBox saves and loads much faster and more efficiently, that XBox doesn't have to bother with multitaps for multiplayer, that XBox had better support for online multiplayer, and the fact that XBox had much more in the way of system link options, and I think that saying XBox had quality over quantity is a fair enough opinion to hold.

You can list however many hundreds of sequels you want, that doesn't change the fact that the XBox had some very real advantages over the PS2.

Neither Metal Gear Solid is an exclusive, Metal Gear Solid 2 was on Xbox and both are now on a variety of newer systems, as well as both Zone of the Enders games being on 360 and PS3 (and discounting these systems adds to the Xbox list also as that would re-instate Ninja Gaiden and Strangers Wrath)

Domino_slayer

Ok then. If you really want to then take a few games off my list. That still doesn't even nearly scratch the surface. And you're gonna say Zone of the Enders wasn't a PS2 exclusive because they released an HD remake for consoles of a different generation?

PLOT TWIST! THE PS3 AND 360 DIDN'T EXIST BACK DURING THE 6TH GENERATION. For the duration of the generation, the PS2 was the only console you could play Zone of the Enders on. It was one of the many games that gave the PS2 the advantage.

The main question of this thread was "does the Xbox have quality over quantity?" many people shot this idea down, personally I disagree. Take into acount that XBox games tend to have better framerates than PS2 games, that multi-platform games tend to be better on XBox, that XBox saves and loads much faster and more efficiently, that XBox doesn't have to bother with multitaps for multiplayer, that XBox had better support for online multiplayer, and the fact that XBox had much more in the way of system link options, and I think that saying XBox had quality over quantity is a fair enough opinion to hold.

You can list however many hundreds of sequels you want, that doesn't change the fact that the XBox had some very real advantages over the PS2.

Domino_slayer

Graphics don't make a game. Gameplay does.

No one really even cared about online multiplayer back then unless you were a Halo 2 fanatic.

Slightly longer load times? Who cares? Load times don't affect the gameplay. Frame rates might, but the PS2 was able to run everything smoothly enough. Nothing deal-breaking. (Look at Final Fantasy XII. The game looks freaking amazing on the PS2 and runs smoothly. Why would you need graphics more detailed?)

The only advantage the Xbox had over the PS2 were some technical advantages such as smoother graphics and shorter load times.

But the advantage the PS2 had over the Xbox was it's huge, incredible library of exclusive games. No other consoles can ever match the might of the PS2's exclusive library.

For the Xbox, I have Shenmue 2 and Jet Set Radio Future. Those are the only Xbox exclusives I care about. Nothing else is really worth buying for the Xbox. 

I know this is just my opinion, but I think the games matter more than the graphics. I'd rather have a large number of great games that have ok graphics, than a small number of great games that have better graphics. But that's just me. I dunno. Maybe I'm weird. :\

[QUOTE="Domino_slayer"]

I started on a list of completely exclusive XBox games which got ~7 and higher

Project Gotham Racing 1 & 2
Panza Dragoon Orta
Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
RalliSport Challenge 2
MechAssault & MechAssault 2
Jet Set Radio Future
Phantom Dust
Steel Battalion
Otogi & Otogi 2
Kingdom Under Fire: Crusaders & Kingdom Under Fire: Heroes
Amped & Amped 2
Midtown Madness 3
Crimson Sea
Brute Force
Voodoo Vince
Apex
Quantum Redshift
Kung Fu Chaos
Dungeons and Dragons: Heroes
Phantom Crash
Breakdown
GunValkyrie
Blinx & Blinx 2
Hunter The Reckoning: Redeemer
Forza Motorsport
Unreal Championship 2
Transworld Snowboarding
Raze's Hell
Blood Wake
Fushion Frenzy
Dead or Alive 3
Mad Dash Racing
Dead or Alive Volleyball

If I added all the XBox + PC only games I think it could probably double tbh.

There were also a bunch of games that were exclusive at the time, but not anymore (Ninja Gaiden & Strangers Wrath for example)

GeoffZak

Let's compare, shall we? (I'm actually really curious to see how the Xbox's list compares to the PS2's list.) :P

• Kingdom Hearts
• Kingdom Hearts 2
• Dark Cloud
• Dark Cloud 2
• Final Fantasy X
• Final Fantasy XII
• Dragon Quest VIII
• Tales of the Abyss
• Tales of Legendia
• Shadow Hearts
• Shadow Hearts: Covenant
• Shadow Hearts: from the New World
• Ape Escape 2
• Ape Escape 3
• Jak and Daxter
• Jak 2
• Jak 3
• Jak X
• Sly Cooper
• Sly 2
• Sly 3
• Ratchet and Clank
• Ratchet and Clank Going Commando
• Ratchet and Clank up your Arsenal
• Ratchet Deadlocked
• Nocturne
• Digital Devil Saga
• Devil Summoner
• Persona 3
• Persona 4
• Wild Arms 3
• Wild Arms 4
• Wild Arms 5
• Wild Arms Alter Code: F
• Rogue Galaxy
• Grandia 3
• Shadow of the Colossus
• Ico
• Metal Gear Solid 2
• Metal Gear Solid 3
• .hack
• DBZ Budokai 2
• DBZ Budokai 3
• Maximo Ghosts to Glory
• Harvest Moon Save the Homeland
• Okage: Shadow King
• Devil May Cry
• Devil May Cry 2
• Devil May Cry 3
• Arc the Lad
• Grafitti Kingdom
• Magic Pengel
• Suikoden 3
• Suikoden 4
• Suikoden 5
• God of War
• God of War 2
• Gran Turismo 3
• Gran Turismo 4
• Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
• Steambot Chronicles
• Zone of the Enders
• Zone of the Enders: The 2nd Runner

I'm out of breath. Haha. I don't even think that's half of it.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

^ Touche.

But all those games put together still don't come close to Morrowind.

GreySeal9

But in terms of fun, story, or combat, I'd say at least 1/4 of those PS2 action RPG's out-class Morrowind in one or more of those categories, IMO.

I'd say that anything that doesn't have broken combat outclasses Morrowind.

I started on a list of completely exclusive XBox games which got ~7 and higher

Project Gotham Racing 1 & 2
Panza Dragoon Orta
Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
RalliSport Challenge 2
MechAssault & MechAssault 2
Jet Set Radio Future
Phantom Dust
Steel Battalion
Otogi & Otogi 2
Kingdom Under Fire: Crusaders & Kingdom Under Fire: Heroes
Amped & Amped 2
Midtown Madness 3
Crimson Sea
Brute Force
Voodoo Vince
Apex
Quantum Redshift
Kung Fu Chaos
Dungeons and Dragons: Heroes
Phantom Crash
Breakdown
GunValkyrie
Blinx & Blinx 2
Hunter The Reckoning: Redeemer
Forza Motorsport
Unreal Championship 2
Transworld Snowboarding
Raze's Hell
Blood Wake
Fushion Frenzy
Dead or Alive 3
Mad Dash Racing
Dead or Alive Volleyball

If I added all the XBox + PC only games I think it could probably double tbh.

There were also a bunch of games that were exclusive at the time, but not anymore (Ninja Gaiden & Strangers Wrath for example)

Domino_slayer

[QUOTE="Dudersaper"]I wouldn't say it's that limited, I see lot of people here mentioning lot of great exclusives on the system, even lesser known ones.Domino_slayer

Well, I often see people saying the system has no "true" exclusives, heck its been said in this thread multiple times already, and yet I could most likely list 30 odd games on XBox which are completely exclusive, with no PC games in sight.

Compare this to the Gamecube's presence here, where the barrel had been well and truly scraped (I often hear PN03, and Geist heralded as underrated classics for instance). Heck I would argue than even generally respected games like Killer 7, and Crystal Chronicles are pretty overrated.

I never played Geist, Killer 7, CC and PN03. And yet I still prefered GC exlusives over the Xbox. Metroid Prime alone could make an argument for the GC's exclusives over the Xbox's exclusives.

And I never said the Xbox didn't have exclusives. What I did say was that most of its best games were multiplats in that generation.

Of course this whole thread is subjective but the PS2 had both quality and quantity. I actually think the PS2's best exclusives were from 05-08/09.

I started on a list of completely exclusive XBox games which got ~7 and higher

Project Gotham Racing 1 & 2
Panza Dragoon Orta
Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
RalliSport Challenge 2
MechAssault & MechAssault 2
Jet Set Radio Future
Phantom Dust
Steel Battalion
Otogi & Otogi 2
Kingdom Under Fire: Crusaders & Kingdom Under Fire: Heroes
Amped & Amped 2
Midtown Madness 3
Crimson Sea
Brute Force
Voodoo Vince
Apex
Quantum Redshift
Kung Fu Chaos
Dungeons and Dragons: Heroes
Phantom Crash
Breakdown
GunValkyrie
Blinx & Blinx 2
Hunter The Reckoning: Redeemer
Forza Motorsport
Unreal Championship 2
Transworld Snowboarding
Raze's Hell
Blood Wake
Fushion Frenzy
Dead or Alive 3
Mad Dash Racing
Dead or Alive Volleyball

If I added all the XBox + PC only games I think it could probably double tbh.

There were also a bunch of games that were exclusive at the time, but not anymore (Ninja Gaiden & Strangers Wrath for example)

Domino_slayer

PLOT TWIST! THE PS3 AND 360 DIDN'T EXIST BACK DURING THE 6TH GENERATION.GeoffZak

For the duration of the generation, the PS2 was the only console you could play Zone of the Enders on. It was one of the many games that gave the PS2 the advantage.GeoffZak

Graphics don't make a game. Gameplay does.GeoffZak

Slightly longer load times? Who cares? Load times don't affect the gameplay.GeoffZak

Of course they do, they momentarily take you out of the experience.

Frame rates might, but the PS2 was able to run everything smoothly enough. Nothing deal-breaking.GeoffZak

Nothing deal breaking for sure but games like Shadow of the Colossus, and Okami would've benefitted from some extra frames, on XBox most of the games look super smooth and super polished.

Look at Final Fantasy XII. The game looks freaking amazing on the PS2 and runs smoothly. Why would you need graphics more detailed?GeoffZak

Why wouldn't you want more detailed graphics?

The only advantage the Xbox had over the PS2 were some technical advantages such as smoother graphics and shorter load times.GeoffZak

Lets look at it this way

I have Timesplitters 2 on both

On PS2 I have to mess around with buying, or looking for a memory card, once found I may have to delete saves to make space, on XBox I just put the game on and it sorts everything for me virtually instantaneously, if friends come round I have to pull my multitap out, on XBox we all just plug our controllers in, when the game starts we get the odd framerate drops here and there, whilst on XBox everything is rock-solid.

XBox is providing a higher quality experience.

And you can go on about how many amazing exclusives there are on PS2 all you want but the truth of the matter is that a very high number of the best games on PS2 are multiplatform, and are better on XBox.

Looking through IGN's Top 100 PS2 games for instance give you exactly 40% shared with XBox.

For the Xbox, I have Shenmue 2 and Jet Set Radio Future. Those are the only Xbox exclusives I care about. Nothing else is really worth buying for the Xbox.GeoffZak

Being that you didn't even know Metal Gear Solid 2 was on XBox I find it hard to believe you have much knowledge of the system's games at all, if you do, then you must have a pretty damn limited preference if you don't like any out of 50 odd well liked games.

I know this is just my opinion, but I think the games matter more than the graphics.GeoffZak

Straw-man argument, nobody said otherwise.

[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]For the duration of the generation, the PS2 was the only console you could play Zone of the Enders on. It was one of the many games that gave the PS2 the advantage.Domino_slayer

Zone of the Enders is pitiful in comparison to Ninja Gaiden and Strangers Wrath.

Probably true for the first ZOE, but I'd say ZOE: The 2nd Runner was better than both those games.

The PS2 had arguably one of the best game libraries of all time though... D: I'm not trying to say it's a fact, but just, go look at the long list of great games. SOMETHING is there for EVERYONE. Cloud_765

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[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]For the duration of the generation, the PS2 was the only console you could play Zone of the Enders on. It was one of the many games that gave the PS2 the advantage.Jag85

Zone of the Enders is pitiful in comparison to Ninja Gaiden and Strangers Wrath.

Probably true for the first ZOE, but I'd say ZOE: The 2nd Runner was better than both those games.

zoe 2 was one of director of ninja gaiden's fave games ever.

I still play my PS2 somewhat often, and have a massive list of games I want to play. For the XBOX, my list only consists of a few games. (Though they are very high quality)

Final Opinion: If I had to choose one to be able to keep in my life it would be PS2.

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[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]For the duration of the generation, the PS2 was the only console you could play Zone of the Enders on. It was one of the many games that gave the PS2 the advantage.CaptainGamespot

Zone of the Enders is pitiful in comparison to Ninja Gaiden and Strangers Wrath.

Probably true for the first ZOE, but I'd say ZOE: The 2nd Runner was better than both those games.

zoe 2 was one of director of ninja gaiden's fave games ever.