Keep in mind by retro I mean like maybe early early 4th down to the start. I know that companies like Atari, Activision, Irem etc. release collections of many old games, true to form (or OPTIONAL enhanced versions) from back in the day. Would you prefer to play the old game through RETAIL collections, for more modern systems or would you rather go and get that system? For me it's mixed because I like SOME of the enhancements, and better controls, but then again, the collections don't even have a 6th of the system they are froms library, and if I like them I would end up going and getting that system. But i know many that would prefer the collections on modern consoles.
Original systems. I don't want any "enhancements" and I'm not interested in paying money for what essentially amounts to an emulator and a ROM dump. I want to play games on the systems and controllers they were designed for, preferably on a nice 4:3 CRT display. LCDs and other fixed pixel displays are terrible with older games.
I really don't care how I PLAY them, I could play them just using a rom and emulator or back-ups for all that I care (ex: I don't use my .hack discs, I made back-ups and use those so I can keep my discs in mint condition), but when speaking about owning a game in a collection disc or the original, I prefer much more the original.
I would prefer the original , unless the collection actually adds something in terms of gameplay or graphics/sound, or if the original game is expensive, at which point I would consider it.
I definetly won't argue with that. Though sometimes it's what I have to do, like my NES does the on-off thing and I need to get a new 72-pin connector, until then I just play NES games on an emulator.
[QUOTE="Heirren"]The emulation is never 100%. Dudersaper
I definetly won't argue with that. Though sometimes it's what I have to do, like my NES does the on-off thing and I need to get a new 72-pin connector, until then I just play NES games on an emulator. I understand. I was just pointing it out. The sound is a biggie for me. Links Awakening just doesn't sound the same when it's emulated.
It depends on how the controller works for the older game and if there were any changes to it, if the changes were good or bad, and if their is any problem with the emulation,
[QUOTE="Heirren"]The emulation is never 100%. Darkman2007
its not always emulation , it really depends on the game. the Sonic CD release was not emulation for instance, and actually added quite a bit . I don't understand what your point is.
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Heirren"]The emulation is never 100%. Heirren
its not always emulation , it really depends on the game. the Sonic CD release was not emulation for instance, and actually added quite a bit . I don't understand what your point is. SONIC CD was rebuilt instead of emulated for Xbox/Idevices, etc.
[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] its not always emulation , it really depends on the game. the Sonic CD release was not emulation for instance, and actually added quite a bit . I don't understand what your point is. SONIC CD was rebuilt instead of emulated for Xbox/Idevices, etc. I can read. I'm still not seeing the point.
[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Heirren"] I don't understand what your point is. SONIC CD was rebuilt instead of emulated for Xbox/Idevices, etc. I can read. I'm still not seeing the point. He's saying that along with the emulation not being 100%, they also sometimes change the game because of how bad the emulation is. Neither are the original.
I'm on the fence on this one; I understand why people would would want the games on thier original systems, but for me it really depends what the system is.
two key factors for me: 1) some of my expensive cartridges started having save file battery death, and replacing them is a pain. 2) often its just not economical to hunt down original copies
collections like "Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection" have really made access to retro titles easy, not to mention PSNstore, Wii virtual console etc.
I prefer going after the actual console. I just think retro collections fail to capture the same essence that's presented with the actual console and controller. Now, if it's something that actually improves the game so-to-speak, I would go with it over the original. Like I wouldn't buy a PS2 to play MGS2 when I could just buy the HD collection for my Vita or PS3 and play an updated version. But playing something like Shinobi III on PS3 and not on Genesis just doesn't feel as immersive.
I was a lot more of a staunch advocate or the original system until the current gen of handhelds. If I had all the time in the world, I'd still only play on original systems. As it is for me now, sometimes getting the game in a collection for PSP or on the VC on my 3DS means I can pick it up and put it down a lot more easily and it lets me play games I wouldn't otherwise. I never, ever would have finished Metroid, for example, if I had to turn it off and be forever inputting those damn codes. On my 3DS, I snap it shut when I have to do something and can reopen and return to playing when I have a chance--mid-jump if need be.
I was a lot more of a staunch advocate or the original system until the current gen of handhelds. If I had all the time in the world, I'd still only play on original systems. As it is for me now, sometimes getting the game in a collection for PSP or on the VC on my 3DS means I can pick it up and put it down a lot more easily and it lets me play games I wouldn't otherwise. I never, ever would have finished Metroid, for example, if I had to turn it off and be forever inputting those damn codes. On my 3DS, I snap it shut when I have to do something and can reopen and return to playing when I have a chance--mid-jump if need be.
logicalfrank
I like the 3ds for this. I never played gba Fzero or Mario Kart that much. I always assumed they were just ports of the snes games. I've now completed MK and am playing Fzere--boy that music in Fzero is stellar. My only gripes with the 3ds VC are that the games need multiple saves for multiple users. Nintendo also needs to speed up the release schedule and offer snes as well. I don't understand why it takes so long to get the games out.
I'll play compilations so long as the games work well just for easier access. I don't have room for all my systems to be plugged in at once so digging out my Genesis when I suddenly feel like playing Sonic can be a hassle.
I like to get the collections when they come out.. but... I MUCH prefer to play them on the original system, AND the type of TV they were meant for. Even though I have a huge HDTV I prefer to play my SNES and Genesis on my small regular, non-flat panel TV in my home office. It just feels better with the original controller and look of the game.
I'll play compilations so long as the games work well just for easier access. I don't have room for all my systems to be plugged in at once so digging out my Genesis when I suddenly feel like playing Sonic can be a hassle.Eikichi-Onizuka
This is what it has boiled down to for me. What's better Sonic on a compilation or some virtual console service or just not playing Sonic?
[QUOTE="Eikichi-Onizuka"]I'll play compilations so long as the games work well just for easier access. I don't have room for all my systems to be plugged in at once so digging out my Genesis when I suddenly feel like playing Sonic can be a hassle.logicalfrank
This is what it has boiled down to for me. What's better Sonic on a compilation or some virtual console service or just not playing Sonic?
I tend to agree, but I've played emulators where the game plays ever so slightly differently. I think I am yet to hear an emulator produce the sonic audio as good as the Genesis.
[QUOTE="Eikichi-Onizuka"]I'll play compilations so long as the games work well just for easier access. I don't have room for all my systems to be plugged in at once so digging out my Genesis when I suddenly feel like playing Sonic can be a hassle.Heirren
This is what it has boiled down to for me. What's better Sonic on a compilation or some virtual console service or just not playing Sonic?
I tend to agree, but I've played emulators where the game plays ever so slightly differently. I think I am yet to hear an emulator produce the sonic audio as good as the Genesis. Sonic Jam on the Saturn was better in some ways than the original, although that wasnt emulation , that was a direct port.
[QUOTE="Eikichi-Onizuka"]I'll play compilations so long as the games work well just for easier access. I don't have room for all my systems to be plugged in at once so digging out my Genesis when I suddenly feel like playing Sonic can be a hassle.Heirren
This is what it has boiled down to for me. What's better Sonic on a compilation or some virtual console service or just not playing Sonic?
I tend to agree, but I've played emulators where the game plays ever so slightly differently. I think I am yet to hear an emulator produce the sonic audio as good as the Genesis.
Which is esp. bothersome since the music adds so much in Sonic games in particular. The sound chip in the Genesis must be hard to emulate. Never seems right and is actually really bad even on those offically licensed Genesis handhelds you can get now.
This is what it has boiled down to for me. What's better Sonic on a compilation or some virtual console service or just not playing Sonic?
logicalfrank
I tend to agree, but I've played emulators where the game plays ever so slightly differently. I think I am yet to hear an emulator produce the sonic audio as good as the Genesis.
Which is esp. bothersome since the music adds so much in Sonic games in particular. The sound chip in the Genesis must be hard to emulate. Never seems right and is actually really bad even on those offically licensed Genesis handhelds you can get now.
the MD has 2 sound chips, the old TI chip (same as the Master System for backwards compatibility) , and a Yamaha FM synthesizer , its not a specialised chip or anything overly unique, and was also used in the FM Towns computers. I actually wonder if part of the reason youre hearing the sound wrong on some emulators is simply because the audio/video quality of the original MD left a bit to be desired.
[QUOTE="Heirren"] I tend to agree, but I've played emulators where the game plays ever so slightly differently. I think I am yet to hear an emulator produce the sonic audio as good as the Genesis. Darkman2007
Which is esp. bothersome since the music adds so much in Sonic games in particular. The sound chip in the Genesis must be hard to emulate. Never seems right and is actually really bad even on those offically licensed Genesis handhelds you can get now.
the MD has 2 sound chips, the old TI chip (same as the Master System for backwards compatibility) , and a Yamaha FM synthesizer , its not a specialised chip or anything overly unique, and was also used in the FM Towns computers. I actually wonder if part of the reason youre hearing the sound wrong on some emulators is simply because the audio/video quality of the original MD left a bit to be desired. I don't think so. With the original model 1 the output from the 1/4inch was rather good. We used to run that through audiophile grade amplifiers. The model 2, and especially model 3, do not sound like the original model 1. As far as video is concerned. Developers at the time created the art assets knowing what the device was going to be displayed on. The quality here dealt more with the tv being used. Oddly enough my father is attempting to open a bar and just this morning I was researching arcade monitors--the good carts are more expensive and provide a more authentic representation of these games.
Which is esp. bothersome since the music adds so much in Sonic games in particular. The sound chip in the Genesis must be hard to emulate. Never seems right and is actually really bad even on those offically licensed Genesis handhelds you can get now.
Heirren
the MD has 2 sound chips, the old TI chip (same as the Master System for backwards compatibility) , and a Yamaha FM synthesizer , its not a specialised chip or anything overly unique, and was also used in the FM Towns computers. I actually wonder if part of the reason youre hearing the sound wrong on some emulators is simply because the audio/video quality of the original MD left a bit to be desired. I don't think so. With the original model 1 the output from the 1/4inch was rather good. We used to run that through audiophile grade amplifiers. The model 2, and especially model 3, do not sound like the original model 1. As far as video is concerned. Developers at the time created the art assets knowing what the device was going to be displayed on. The quality here dealt more with the tv being used. Oddly enough my father is attempting to open a bar and just this morning I was researching arcade monitors--the good carts are more expensive and provide a more authentic representation of these games. even the model 1 wasnt that great, at least compared to other systems (certainly newer ones)
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] the MD has 2 sound chips, the old TI chip (same as the Master System for backwards compatibility) , and a Yamaha FM synthesizer , its not a specialised chip or anything overly unique, and was also used in the FM Towns computers. I actually wonder if part of the reason youre hearing the sound wrong on some emulators is simply because the audio/video quality of the original MD left a bit to be desired. I don't think so. With the original model 1 the output from the 1/4inch was rather good. We used to run that through audiophile grade amplifiers. The model 2, and especially model 3, do not sound like the original model 1. As far as video is concerned. Developers at the time created the art assets knowing what the device was going to be displayed on. The quality here dealt more with the tv being used. Oddly enough my father is attempting to open a bar and just this morning I was researching arcade monitors--the good carts are more expensive and provide a more authentic representation of these games. even the model 1 wasnt that great, at least compared to other systems (certainly newer ones) It output the sound. We aren't discussing audio technicalities. I brought up that the emulated sound is a tad different than that of the genesis.
Emulated sound for Genesis games is frequently off in pitch and other weird things like that. This happens even on officially Sega licensed stuff, as I mentioned, like handhelds and plug-and-plays. On older systems, the synthesized sounds are all about a particular character rather than sound quality as an objective thing. (My favorite sound is on Game Boy, for example, which is not exactly an audiofiles dream come true.) If it doesn't sound the exact same as an actual Genesis that is worse to my ears in most cases.
This is what it has boiled down to for me. What's better Sonic on a compilation or some virtual console service or just not playing Sonic?
Darkman2007
I tend to agree, but I've played emulators where the game plays ever so slightly differently. I think I am yet to hear an emulator produce the sonic audio as good as the Genesis. Sonic Jam on the Saturn was better in some ways than the original, although that wasnt emulation , that was a direct port. Original Sonic Jam?
[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Heirren"] I tend to agree, but I've played emulators where the game plays ever so slightly differently. I think I am yet to hear an emulator produce the sonic audio as good as the Genesis. Sonic Jam on the Saturn was better in some ways than the original, although that wasnt emulation , that was a direct port. Original Sonic Jam? what do you mean original?
[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Heirren"] I don't think so. With the original model 1 the output from the 1/4inch was rather good. We used to run that through audiophile grade amplifiers. The model 2, and especially model 3, do not sound like the original model 1. As far as video is concerned. Developers at the time created the art assets knowing what the device was going to be displayed on. The quality here dealt more with the tv being used. Oddly enough my father is attempting to open a bar and just this morning I was researching arcade monitors--the good carts are more expensive and provide a more authentic representation of these games. even the model 1 wasnt that great, at least compared to other systems (certainly newer ones) It output the sound. We aren't discussing audio technicalities. I brought up that the emulated sound is a tad different than that of the genesis. and Im thinking part of the reason the sound is a bit different , might be because youre hearing the same music through a better system (ie , more clarity , means you here more, wheter good or bad) of course, some emulators just do a bad job regardless of the sound quality itself
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Sonic Jam on the Saturn was better in some ways than the original, although that wasnt emulation , that was a direct port. Original Sonic Jam? what do you mean original? You said the Sonic Jam on the Saturn was better than the original but i only remember one Sonic jam
[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] Original Sonic Jam? what do you mean original? You said the Sonic Jam on the Saturn was better than the original but i only remember one Sonic jam and Im assuming youre talking about the Game.com one? the Saturn one was the first , and from what I know, is a totally different game.
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] what do you mean original? You said the Sonic Jam on the Saturn was better than the original but i only remember one Sonic jam and Im assuming youre talking about the Game.com one? the Saturn one was the first , and from what I know, is a totally different game. I was talking about the one on the Saturn. If you were also talking about the one on the Saturn, and that was first, then why did you say that the one on the saturn is better than the original one if the saturn one is the original one?
[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] You said the Sonic Jam on the Saturn was better than the original but i only remember one Sonic jam and Im assuming youre talking about the Game.com one? the Saturn one was the first , and from what I know, is a totally different game. I was talking about the one on the Saturn. If you were also talking about the one on the Saturn, and that was first, then why did you say that the one on the saturn is better than the original one if the saturn one is the original one? I believe they were made side by side--the game was released towards the end of the life of the genesis.
[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] and Im assuming youre talking about the Game.com one? the Saturn one was the first , and from what I know, is a totally different game. I was talking about the one on the Saturn. If you were also talking about the one on the Saturn, and that was first, then why did you say that the one on the saturn is better than the original one if the saturn one is the original one? I believe they were made side by side--the game was released towards the end of the life of the genesis. from what I can see, the Game.com is also a compilation , but the games look very different (and worse) than the originals, wheres the Saturn version's games are just as good or better.
[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] You said the Sonic Jam on the Saturn was better than the original but i only remember one Sonic jam and Im assuming youre talking about the Game.com one? the Saturn one was the first , and from what I know, is a totally different game. I was talking about the one on the Saturn. If you were also talking about the one on the Saturn, and that was first, then why did you say that the one on the saturn is better than the original one if the saturn one is the original one? Im talking in comparison to the original Mega Drive versions, didnt say anything about the Game.com.
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] and Im assuming youre talking about the Game.com one? the Saturn one was the first , and from what I know, is a totally different game. I was talking about the one on the Saturn. If you were also talking about the one on the Saturn, and that was first, then why did you say that the one on the saturn is better than the original one if the saturn one is the original one? I believe they were made side by side--the game was released towards the end of the life of the genesis. So which are the original?
Emulated sound for Genesis games is frequently off in pitch and other weird things like that. This happens even on officially Sega licensed stuff, as I mentioned, like handhelds and plug-and-plays. On older systems, the synthesized sounds are all about a particular character rather than sound quality as an objective thing. (My favorite sound is on Game Boy, for example, which is not exactly an audiofiles dream come true.) If it doesn't sound the exact same as an actual Genesis that is worse to my ears in most cases.
logicalfrank
Exactly. The sound designers work within the confines of the sound processor was an art form in it of itself. I'm typing on an iPad. I can buy a program called Animoog, but it will NOT sound just like the famous Moog analog.
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] and Im assuming youre talking about the Game.com one? the Saturn one was the first , and from what I know, is a totally different game. I was talking about the one on the Saturn. If you were also talking about the one on the Saturn, and that was first, then why did you say that the one on the saturn is better than the original one if the saturn one is the original one? Im talking in comparison to the original Mega Drive versions, didnt say anything about the Game.com. There's a megadrive version of Sonic Jam?
[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Heirren"] I was talking about the one on the Saturn. If you were also talking about the one on the Saturn, and that was first, then why did you say that the one on the saturn is better than the original one if the saturn one is the original one? I believe they were made side by side--the game was released towards the end of the life of the genesis. So which are the original? Well, the game was originally started for the genesis--in that the art assets/etc were mostly created around that platform. However, both games were released around the same time and built from the ground up for each platform, from what I gather. So in a way they are both the original.
[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I believe they were made side by side--the game was released towards the end of the life of the genesis. So which are the original? Well, the game was originally started for the genesis--in that the art assets/etc were mostly created around that platform. However, both games were released around the same time and built from the ground up for each platform, from what I gather. So in a way they are both the original. Which one came out first though?
[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] I was talking about the one on the Saturn. If you were also talking about the one on the Saturn, and that was first, then why did you say that the one on the saturn is better than the original one if the saturn one is the original one? Im talking in comparison to the original Mega Drive versions, didnt say anything about the Game.com. There's a megadrive version of Sonic Jam? are you even aware what Sonic Jam is?
[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I believe they were made side by side--the game was released towards the end of the life of the genesis. So which are the original? Well, the game was originally started for the genesis--in that the art assets/etc were mostly created around that platform. However, both games were released around the same time and built from the ground up for each platform, from what I gather. So in a way they are both the original. Sonic Jam was never a mega drive project, the game it features are Mega Drive games, but its a compilation , not a Mega Drive game.
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