Xbox Live vs Playstation Network: opportunity cost thoughts

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="F1Lengend"]

Ya, not to mention I got the HDMI cable for 5 dollars, and a headset with warhawk (wireless btw...)

But my point is that HE was the one who brought it up when obviously it goes both ways. Neither are perfect.

Back on topic, I guess no one wants to argue any of my points? How about the fact that the pc has live and all its functions for free. Second...you guys keep touting all these great xbox features that PSN doesnt have so its worth the money...but that stuff is free too. All the features mean nothing cause you are only paying to PLAY online.

F1Lengend

people already mentioned your points but you don't want to listen to them. I said I'll pop in City of heroes and talk to my friends on Neverwinter Nights 2 and Crysis while I send messages to my other friend playing the Witcher...

oh i can't do that because all of PC's games aren't integrated with live

You can do that with a silver account....

no you can't because those games aren't affiliated with live. If I play city of Heroes, it's on a totally different server than the other 3 or 4 games i listed and they aren't connected in any other way besides being on the PC.. if i want to do voice chat orinstant messaging I'll have to have extra programs running in the background that can cause stability issues (like i said, if i leave yahoo running while playing NWN 2, the game often crashes when i get an IM)

also if my friends were playing those games, since those games don't have friend's lists and the ability to just hop into games...i have to coordinate with them ahead of time.

what i'm saying is every single 360 game is unified, not every PC game is... some are xfire, some are steam, some are live, some are gamespy and then you have the MMORPG's that are all seperate entities.

that's not the same as XBL

again, you are arguing technicalities and not the point.

they are both services, the companies that provide the services both have expenses for running the services, they both decided to charge fees despite the fact that there are other companies out there offering the similar services for free...

I know Bill Gates works at one or not the other so that makes them different, they also have head quaters in differen't areas of the world so that makes them different even further... but my main point still stands

how isn't that the same?

smerlus

the necessity of paying for live is based off totally different merits than paying for WoW. with gold, you are paying for a few features. remember, the rest is free. maybe microsoft uses those proceeds to pay for all of live, including silver, but that makes it a different issue. if that is the case, everyone with gold is essentially paying for silver account user's free features. while this might make sense from a business standpoint, it is highly different from the way WoW operates.

WoW requires your money to maintain the servers and provide the customer service. with gold, you are paying simply to be able to access the peer to peer networking. granted, the silver lining to that is that it integrates with all of the great silver features, but when you think about it, it is an odd way of justifying things. thats what im trying to get across.

[QUOTE="F1Lengend"]

[QUOTE="rragnaar"][QUOTE="hair001"]Or a rumble enabled controller? Or a headset? Or cables than can transmit HD signals? Live isn't the only thing that is standard otherplaces that has an extera chargehair001

Ya, not to mention I got the HDMI cable for 5 dollars, and a headset with warhawk (wireless btw...)

But my point is that HE was the one who brought it up when obviously it goes both ways. Neither are perfect.

Back on topic, I guess no one wants to argue any of my points? How about the fact that the pc has live and all its functions for free. Second...you guys keep touting all these great xbox features that PSN doesnt have so its worth the money...but that stuff is free too. All the features mean nothing cause you are only paying to PLAY online.

the difference is that i can play the same game without HD cables, a rumble controller, and a headset. i am not locked out from an entire game mode without those, and they are also one time small fees and certainly not necessary.

I apoligize Smerlus I wasn't being clear. I ment you could do that on xbox 360 with a silver account. F1Lengend

ok that makes sense now, and you're right, all of that is available except for the game joining portion.

[QUOTE="smerlus"]again, you are arguing technicalities and not the point.

they are both services, the companies that provide the services both have expenses for running the services, they both decided to charge fees despite the fact that there are other companies out there offering the similar services for free...

I know Bill Gates works at one or not the other so that makes them different, they also have head quaters in differen't areas of the world so that makes them different even further... but my main point still stands

how isn't that the same?

OneWingedAngeI

the necessity of paying for live is based off totally different merits than paying for WoW. with gold, you are paying for a few features. remember, the rest is free. maybe microsoft uses those proceeds to pay for all of live, including silver, but that makes it a different issue. if that is the case, everyone with gold is essentially paying for silver account user's free features. while this might make sense from a business standpoint, it is highly different from the way WoW operates.

WoW requires your money to maintain the servers and provide the customer service. with gold, you are paying simply to be able to access the peer to peer networking. granted, the silver lining to that is that it integrates with all of the great silver features, but when you think about it, it is an odd way of justifying things. thats what im trying to get across.

well yeah i, that makes sense... i guess a better example of this would have been Hellgate: London

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="F1Lengend"]

[QUOTE="rragnaar"][QUOTE="hair001"]Or a rumble enabled controller? Or a headset? Or cables than can transmit HD signals? Live isn't the only thing that is standard otherplaces that has an extera chargeOneWingedAngeI

Ya, not to mention I got the HDMI cable for 5 dollars, and a headset with warhawk (wireless btw...)

But my point is that HE was the one who brought it up when obviously it goes both ways. Neither are perfect.

Back on topic, I guess no one wants to argue any of my points? How about the fact that the pc has live and all its functions for free. Second...you guys keep touting all these great xbox features that PSN doesnt have so its worth the money...but that stuff is free too. All the features mean nothing cause you are only paying to PLAY online.

the difference is that i can play the same game without HD cables, a rumble controller, and a headset. i am not locked out from an entire game mode without those, and they are also one time small fees and certainly not necessary.

Feel_freetwo you really do not know what you are talking about. Have you ever touched a ps3 in your life? It hasnt matched live from 6 years ago? You realize you couldn't bring up a friends list via guide right? What exactly did live do 6 years ago that PSN doesnt do today? The onyl way to see friends was if the game designer had it built into the game. (halo 2)

GC, once again, you know its FREE on PC right! All the stuff you are paying for on 360 is on PC for Free.

F1Lengend

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="F1Lengend"]

[QUOTE="rragnaar"][QUOTE="hair001"]Or a rumble enabled controller? Or a headset? Or cables than can transmit HD signals? Live isn't the only thing that is standard otherplaces that has an extera chargehair001

Ya, not to mention I got the HDMI cable for 5 dollars, and a headset with warhawk (wireless btw...)

But my point is that HE was the one who brought it up when obviously it goes both ways. Neither are perfect.

Back on topic, I guess no one wants to argue any of my points? How about the fact that the pc has live and all its functions for free. Second...you guys keep touting all these great xbox features that PSN doesnt have so its worth the money...but that stuff is free too. All the features mean nothing cause you are only paying to PLAY online.

the difference is that i can play the same game without HD cables, a rumble controller, and a headset. i am not locked out from an entire game mode without those, and they are also one time small fees and certainly not necessary.

you can get HD cables for $10, good ones. headsets can also be had cheap. i do agree about not supplying them standard, but at least its a one time, minor expense to fix. reducing the number of games i can buy by 1 per year so that i can play online isnt that minor.