Can you just give me a quick explaination how you got it working? :P I'd love to get that running on my PC without getting it on Steam.DudersaperI will send you a PM with the explanation soon.
Your favorite gaming generation and why.
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Well, the home console market in the U.S. wasn't really dead, it was just not making much money, only the big companies put out what people wanted to buy. You can see that with the 7800, the market was still there. Oddly enough though, it was through monopolized practices, I never considered gaming myself to come back until the 4th gen since people had no re4stirctions and could go about putting games where they wanted.[QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]
The 3rd generation for me.
The NES is what really made me fall in love with gaming. My older sister had an Atari 2600 we'd play before getting an NES, but the Atari 2600 never held my attention for longer than a few minutes at a time. However I could play NES for hours on end, completely entranced by it. I was lucky and got great games to begin with that my mom bought with the NES: Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt, Legend of Zelda, Star Soldier, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and Pin-Bot.
Outside of my personal experience with the NES, the NES was phenomenon in the U.S. It single-handedly brought the home console market back from the dead in the U.S.
The Sega Master System had some great games, too. But I didn't get into that until I was older, really (other than playing the original arcade games in the arcade that got ports on the Master System like Space Harrier and Golden Axe (both of which I loved)).
And you can't deny what the original Game Boy did for portable gaming. For a VERY long time it was the best selling console of all-time. Not sure if it still is anymore or not.
Emerald_Warrior
Yeah, it was pretty much dead, so was the arcade market in the U.S. at that time. Only PC gaming was making any real money at the time, and not nearly as much as they do now because it was much more limited market back then. Game cartridges were being sold for only a few dollars it was so bad right before the NES came out.
And the Atari 7800 was released after the NES, when Jack Tramiel who had taken over Atari by that time saw that the NES revitalized the home console market in the U.S. It was designed before the NES, but sat on a warehouse shelf for years.
Yet the 7800 sold but load more than expected and made profit. Also the video game market lost tons of money very fast, but it was not dead. Certain systems still sold after the NEs came out and some ended up making profits(some of the ones that mad e these profits closed off before they ended up losing money again others like Atari, has the 26o0 making money again within the NEs years and in one quarter outsold the NEs but I fogot which that was.)Well, I agree, although you seem to have taken that a bit more than you should have. But hey, sorry for jumping in the conversation.[QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"][QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]
No, I simply just don't give a F*** what two-bit jackanapes in a gaming forum believe or don't. Enjoy, though. Whatever floats your boat.
:)
MonkeySpot
We cool, Jesus.
As far as patches and other online features -
back before the current gen, more time was taken to get a game correct before sending it out for sale. Patches are a lazy fall-back, performed after the public pay for a game only to become unofficial testers; A service they used to have paid people perform. But now, it's more than OK to ship a broken product, and fix it later - Consuming hard drive space, and consumer patience.
I do not believe games were BETTER in the past... So to the vuck-wit who inferred that I was or am somehow "stuck in the past" is incorrect by a country mile. What I DO, in fact, believe, is that the industry has become abusive of the consumer, in many different ways. I think things like "BioShock" are pretty great games, but they were created, tested, and fixed before shipping. The problem is, patching has become almost the rule, as apposed to the exception.
This is essentially, because bean-counters call the shots now, with a profit margin on-schedule being the most immediate concern, as apposed to shipping a quality product.
THAT, is why I think the industry sucks now and I won't be spending any more money on future systems, and instead will focus on games for my other systems... Not hardly that yesterday's games were somehow better. It's the care the industry tried (or basically HAD) to take back then, of developing a good product and a relationship with the user.
PS - To that same yance who accused me of being all wistful for the past - I am a professional sound engineer, and I take GREAT care of my systems, controllers, and I will tell you I've purchased more PS3 controllers in four years or so than I EVER purchased for my XB, NGC, Dreamcast, PSX, PS2 (to be fair, I swore by the LogiTech wireless for my PS2, which were pretty durable), combined. My ORIGINAL Dreamcast controllers? STILL WORKING, after miles and miles of hours on them... Same with my Wavebirds, my Duke XB controllers, and on and on...
... YES, stuff was better-built, hardware-wise, for previous gens. Deal with it.
I think a cpurt case to straighten out the definition of "DLC" Should be made. DLC is content you download to add-on to the product, it's always been like that. The 2nd half of this gen hoever since 2008-9 changed that to having data paid for that is usually two lines of code to unlock content that is already on the disc and claiming it's DLC. That is not DLC, and that alone should be illegal for multiple reasons.
On DLC, etc.,
Anyone remember what happened at the end of the first "Zelda"? They gave you what amounted to an almost new game, with added dungeons, etc., ... You UNLOCKED the feature by completing the game. Now, you simply pay for it, and no amount of skill or dedication will unlock anything of real value... Just a ring of a bell, and a "trophy".
Pavlov's Dogs.
That's what current-gen fans are.
:lol:
Don't get me wrong, I have a PS3 and I enjoy it... But online connectivity has changed the game, and not always for the better.
MonkeySpot
Well to be fair the 2nd quest in Zelda was nothing more than switching rooms around in dungeons or adding a few enemies to increase difficulty. Â That was all that really changed. Â Also it was available from the start of the game by entering ZELDA as your name.
Games have gotten so big and expansive and added a lot more than just reskinned dungeons. Â They actually *do* add new content. Â Like others have said, purchasable expansion packs have been available for a long time, but now I don't even have to leave my house (inb4 basement dweller joke) to purchase and enjoy new content that I want. Â But for every worthwhile DLC you get a bunch of color and skin packs, and those are the cause of most of the hate I reckon. Â You've quite the vendetta against current gen gaming(but also enjoy it apparently) but you're also overlooking a lot of the great stuff that's come out, a lot of it from the digital release platform.
I think favorite is rather circumstantial for most people. Heirren
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Yeah, for most people the answer to this is the same as "What generation was out when you were a teenager and less cynical than you are now?"
On DLC, etc.,
Anyone remember what happened at the end of the first "Zelda"? They gave you what amounted to an almost new game, with added dungeons, etc., ... You UNLOCKED the feature by completing the game. Now, you simply pay for it, and no amount of skill or dedication will unlock anything of real value... Just a ring of a bell, and a "trophy".
Pavlov's Dogs.
That's what current-gen fans are.
:lol:
Don't get me wrong, I have a PS3 and I enjoy it... But online connectivity has changed the game, and not always for the better.
You UNLOCKED the feature by completing the game. Now, you simply pay for it, and no amount of skill or dedication will unlock anything of real value.MonkeySpotThis, especially in fighting games, to unlock more characters in fighting games nowadays you pay for them, instead of playing through the various story/arcade modes to unlock them. And that really pisses me off.
[QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]
On DLC, etc.,
Anyone remember what happened at the end of the first "Zelda"? They gave you what amounted to an almost new game, with added dungeons, etc., ... You UNLOCKED the feature by completing the game. Now, you simply pay for it, and no amount of skill or dedication will unlock anything of real value... Just a ring of a bell, and a "trophy".
Pavlov's Dogs.
That's what current-gen fans are.
:lol:
Don't get me wrong, I have a PS3 and I enjoy it... But online connectivity has changed the game, and not always for the better.
MLBknights58
Well to be fair the 2nd quest in Zelda was nothing more than switching rooms around in dungeons or adding a few enemies to increase difficulty. Â That was all that really changed. Â Also it was available from the start of the game by entering ZELDA as your name.
Yes, but it was something you unlocked, it was given to you for your dedication (unless you were saavy to the name cheat), and it was a re-working which required the programmers and designers' dedication, as well. There was no extra charge, and it gave you (arguably), a whole new half-game, if you will, at no extra cost, promoting the value of the game and the relationship you form with the company which created the game - "Wow! That was great! I'm definitely buying the next one!"
Devs don't really care as much about inspiring the customer's dedication & experience, anymore... Largely because it's about the money as apposed to making a timeless piece of art. The focus of the industry has changed, in the same way that "Jaws" reshaped Hollywood's idea of Summer sales ("Jaws" being the first Summer blockbuster movie). Suddenly, there was a new prize to shoot for... It wasn't about making a great movie so much as making a HUGE splash...
There is nothing wrong with wanting to make mega-bucks. But when you start nickel & dime bullsh*t, and don't put as much love into something or respect into the relationship you have with your public, the jewel loses it's luster.
[QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]You UNLOCKED the feature by completing the game. Now, you simply pay for it, and no amount of skill or dedication will unlock anything of real value.DudersaperThis, especially in fighting games, to unlock more characters in fighting games nowadays you pay for them, instead of playing through the various story/arcade modes to unlock them. And that really pisses me off. I remember back in the very late 90s when Blizzard used to release maps for Starcraft , for free, and these were good maps as well, nowadays you would have to pay for them
[QUOTE="Dudersaper"][QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]You UNLOCKED the feature by completing the game. Now, you simply pay for it, and no amount of skill or dedication will unlock anything of real value.Darkman2007This, especially in fighting games, to unlock more characters in fighting games nowadays you pay for them, instead of playing through the various story/arcade modes to unlock them. And that really pisses me off. I remember back in the very late 90s when Blizzard used to release maps for Starcraft , for free, and these were good maps as well, nowadays you would have to pay for them
For sure.
Companies aren't just nickel and diming us, either. But they're also trying to point the blame at us as to why they're sales are slipping. The movement to block the sales of used games is a bunch of freaking crap. You can buy used movies, used music, used books, used clothes, used furniture; you name it. And you don't see MGM, Serta, or Marvel Comics pointing their fingers and trying to make the consumer out to be evil because we live on a budget.
Always online and DRM is just as greedy, nowadays. What about people with unreliable connections? What if they have a modem with only 1 access port (that's used for the PC)? What if they live in a rural area that still has dial-up or nothing at all? And I've had more problems with DRM, it just pisses me off.
I remember back in the very late 90s when Blizzard used to release maps for Starcraft , for free, and these were good maps as well, nowadays you would have to pay for them[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Dudersaper"]This, especially in fighting games, to unlock more characters in fighting games nowadays you pay for them, instead of playing through the various story/arcade modes to unlock them. And that really pisses me off.Emerald_Warrior
For sure.
Companies aren't just nickel and diming us, either. But they're also trying to point the blame at us as to why they're sales are slipping. The movement to block the sales of used games is a bunch of freaking crap. You can buy used movies, used music, used books, used clothes, used furniture; you name it. And you don't see MGM, Serta, or Marvel Comics pointing their fingers and trying to make the consumer out to be evil because we live on a budget.
Always online and DRM is just as greedy, nowadays. What about people with unreliable connections? What if they have a modem with only 1 access port (that's used for the PC)? What if they live in a rural area that still has dial-up or nothing at all? And I've had more problems with DRM, it just pisses me off.
well Ive said it before and I will say it again , some of this is our fault, the fault of the consumer. game developers/publishers are businesses, they need to make money and will respond to what the market demands and what it is willing to pay. the reason they think they can get away with it is because we let them , we (not necessarily pointing fingers but Im talking general gaming audience) buy that DLC and show them they can make money. I can't blame a developer for trying the DLC model after seeing it work with another game developer.. bottom line, if we stop buying it, they will stop making,[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I remember back in the very late 90s when Blizzard used to release maps for Starcraft , for free, and these were good maps as well, nowadays you would have to pay for themDarkman2007
For sure.
Companies aren't just nickel and diming us, either. But they're also trying to point the blame at us as to why they're sales are slipping. The movement to block the sales of used games is a bunch of freaking crap. You can buy used movies, used music, used books, used clothes, used furniture; you name it. And you don't see MGM, Serta, or Marvel Comics pointing their fingers and trying to make the consumer out to be evil because we live on a budget.
Always online and DRM is just as greedy, nowadays. What about people with unreliable connections? What if they have a modem with only 1 access port (that's used for the PC)? What if they live in a rural area that still has dial-up or nothing at all? And I've had more problems with DRM, it just pisses me off.
well Ive said it before and I will say it again , some of this is our fault, the fault of the consumer. game developers/publishers are businesses, they need to make money and will respond to what the market demands and what it is willing to pay. the reason they think they can get away with it is because we let them , we (not necessarily pointing fingers but Im talking general gaming audience) buy that DLC and show them they can make money. I can't blame a developer for trying the DLC model after seeing it work with another game developer.. bottom line, if we stop buying it, they will stop making,When I was talking about pointing the blame, I was talking about used game sales. Many companies were pushing to take used game sales off of the market, which is a bunch of BS, IMO.
[QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]You UNLOCKED the feature by completing the game. Now, you simply pay for it, and no amount of skill or dedication will unlock anything of real value.DudersaperThis, especially in fighting games, to unlock more characters in fighting games nowadays you pay for them, instead of playing through the various story/arcade modes to unlock them. And that really pisses me off. Well outside of MOrtal Kombat, you can still unlock tons of content from the game (and the one DLC character is actually DLC and was not already included in the game.)
[QUOTE="Dudersaper"][QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]You UNLOCKED the feature by completing the game. Now, you simply pay for it, and no amount of skill or dedication will unlock anything of real value.Darkman2007This, especially in fighting games, to unlock more characters in fighting games nowadays you pay for them, instead of playing through the various story/arcade modes to unlock them. And that really pisses me off. I remember back in the very late 90s when Blizzard used to release maps for Starcraft , for free, and these were good maps as well, nowadays you would have to pay for them Well, see, that is mostly world of warcrafts fault since they decided to transfer that system to all there games. I wouldn't really balme the customers of the other series for that.
The 32/64-bit (5th gen) era, hands down. The home gaming industry's most revolutionary paradigm shift mostly occurred during this era. It  was like a whole new dimension opening up for gaming. It honestly felt like the most exciting era to be part of, since so many of the games back then felt very fresh.Â
Of course, the 32-bit 3D era began a lot earlier for arcade games (i.e. when the 16-bit era for consoles began), but as far as console & PC gaming goes, the 32/64-bit era was the era that changed gaming forever.
5th or 6th. 5th is what I played the most in my earlier years, and 6th gen is one of the things that defined my elementary school/middle school years. I can get extremely nostalgic for both those time periods, lol.
5th and 7th tie wii ds were awsome dkc goldeneye kirby etc 4th a very very close second
Goldeneye was on 360 wasn't it?5th and 7th tie wii ds were awsome dkc goldeneye kirby etc 4th a very very close second
mariokart64fan
Technically, I enjoy them all, but my favorite gen is the 5th. I have fond memories of playing the Nintendo 64 with my family & relatives.
I think the fourth gen is my favorite because it was the most competitive. And also, I started out on SNES.critorkong
Yep, companies taking shots at each other in ads. "Genesis does what Nintendon't." "Blast-processing." "64-bits, Do the Math! Jaguar!"
Or my personal favorite ad (can't seem to find a pic of it, so I'll just explain it)
It was a magazine ad where you see 2 steel balls and the text reads: "You got to have a set of these (picture of two steel balls), to play one of these (picture of a 3DO console)."
lol!
I loved that era!
[QUOTE="critorkong"]I think the fourth gen is my favorite because it was the most competitive. And also, I started out on SNES.Emerald_Warrior
Yep, companies taking shots at each other in ads. "Genesis does what Nintendon't." "Blast-processing." "64-bits, Do the Math! Jaguar!"
Or my personal favorite ad (can't seem to find a pic of it, so I'll just explain it)
It was a magazine ad where you see 2 steel balls and the text reads: "You got to have a set of these (picture of two steel balls), to play one of these (picture of a 3DO console)."
lol!
I loved that era!
Jag and 3DO are 5th gen. and 4th gen it was mostly just Sega by themselves.[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"][QUOTE="critorkong"]I think the fourth gen is my favorite because it was the most competitive. And also, I started out on SNES.ImJESUS-PROam
Yep, companies taking shots at each other in ads. "Genesis does what Nintendon't." "Blast-processing." "64-bits, Do the Math! Jaguar!"
Or my personal favorite ad (can't seem to find a pic of it, so I'll just explain it)
It was a magazine ad where you see 2 steel balls and the text reads: "You got to have a set of these (picture of two steel balls), to play one of these (picture of a 3DO console)."
lol!
I loved that era!
Jag and 3DO are 5th gen. and 4th gen it was mostly just Sega by themselves. While you're correct about the Jag and 3DO, what do you mean by "mostly just Sega by themselves"?[QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]Jag and 3DO are 5th gen. and 4th gen it was mostly just Sega by themselves. While you're correct about the Jag and 3DO, what do you mean by "mostly just Sega by themselves"? In terms of people throwing mud at eachother, it was mostly Sega doing the sliiniing at Nintendo. Nintendo had a few ties but it was Sega all the way with the mud. The TG16 tried a little bit earlier on with the CD but that was shortlived.Yep, companies taking shots at each other in ads. "Genesis does what Nintendon't." "Blast-processing." "64-bits, Do the Math! Jaguar!"
Or my personal favorite ad (can't seem to find a pic of it, so I'll just explain it)
It was a magazine ad where you see 2 steel balls and the text reads: "You got to have a set of these (picture of two steel balls), to play one of these (picture of a 3DO console)."
lol!
I loved that era!
Jag85
While you're correct about the Jag and 3DO, what do you mean by "mostly just Sega by themselves"?Jag85
I wasn't trying to insinuate that they were 4th gen. Just pointing out some of my favorite ads from back then.
[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"] Jag and 3DO are 5th gen. and 4th gen it was mostly just Sega by themselves.ImJESUS-PROamWhile you're correct about the Jag and 3DO, what do you mean by "mostly just Sega by themselves"?In terms of people throwing mud at eachother, it was mostly Sega doing the sliiniing at Nintendo. Nintendo had a few ties but it was Sega all the way with the mud. The TG16 tried a little bit earlier on with the CD but that was shortlived.
Largely, because Nintendo had already (almost single-handedly) brought home console gaming back from the brink of extinction... They had already proven themselves. Sega was the newer kid on the block, the contender, shooting upward at a giant who only had to look down.
In terms of people throwing mud at eachother, it was mostly Sega doing the sliiniing at Nintendo. Nintendo had a few ties but it was Sega all the way with the mud. The TG16 tried a little bit earlier on with the CD but that was shortlived.[QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"][QUOTE="Jag85"] While you're correct about the Jag and 3DO, what do you mean by "mostly just Sega by themselves"?MonkeySpot
Largely, because Nintendo had already (almost single-handedly) brought home console gaming back from the brink of extinction... They had already proven themselves. Sega was the newer kid on the block, the contender, shooting upward at a giant who only had to look down.
Well the sales of both are close so I would say it succeeded, but there marketing hurt them post genesis in the long run.[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"] Jag and 3DO are 5th gen. and 4th gen it was mostly just Sega by themselves.ImJESUS-PROamWhile you're correct about the Jag and 3DO, what do you mean by "mostly just Sega by themselves"? In terms of people throwing mud at eachother, it was mostly Sega doing the sliiniing at Nintendo. Nintendo had a few ties but it was Sega all the way with the mud. The TG16 tried a little bit earlier on with the CD but that was shortlived.
Sega may have done the most mud-slinging, but they weren't alone...
Sega: "Sega does what Nintendon't!"
Nintendo: "Nintendo is what Genesisn't!"
SNK: "If you're still playing Sega, NEC, or Nintendo, you're nothing but a weenie!"
NEC: I don't remember what their catchphrase was, but they were the first to take pot-shots at Nintendo.
 In terms of people throwing mud at eachother, it was mostly Sega doing the sliiniing at Nintendo. Nintendo had a few ties but it was Sega all the way with the mud. The TG16 tried a little bit earlier on with the CD but that was shortlived.[QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"][QUOTE="Jag85"] While you're correct about the Jag and 3DO, what do you mean by "mostly just Sega by themselves"?MonkeySpot
Largely, because Nintendo had already (almost single-handedly) brought home console gaming back from the brink of extinction... They had already proven themselves. Sega was the newer kid on the block, the contender, shooting upward at a giant who only had to look down.
Actually, it's Nintendo who was the "newer" kid on the block. Sega had been making video games long before Nintendo. Sega may have been newer to consoles, but they were already an established arcade game manufacturer long before that.
Also, it was only in North America where Sega published those mud-slinging ads. In Europe, I hardly remember Sega ever taking pot-shots at Nintendo, since Sega already had the larger market share down here since the 8-bit era.
In terms of people throwing mud at eachother, it was mostly Sega doing the sliiniing at Nintendo. Nintendo had a few ties but it was Sega all the way with the mud. The TG16 tried a little bit earlier on with the CD but that was shortlived.[QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"][QUOTE="Jag85"] While you're correct about the Jag and 3DO, what do you mean by "mostly just Sega by themselves"?Jag85
Sega may have done the most mud-slinging, but they weren't alone...
Sega: "Sega does what Nintendon't!"
Nintendo: "Nintendo is what Genesisn't!"
SNK: "If you're still playing Sega, NEC, or Nintendo, you're nothing but a weenie!"
NEC: I don't remember what their catchphrase was, but they were the first to take pot-shots at Nintendo.
You even said it was mostly Sega by themeselves in your first sentence. Very few attempts to bash them back were made, and Neogeo and TG-16 were shortlived, especially the TG, so many of their climes were proved wrong in the media it was sad. I'll try to find a couple. IMO it didn't become competitive mudslinging until the start of 5th gen when phrases like "Garbage trash" were being thrown around at the SNES and Genesis/MD[QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]
[QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"] In terms of people throwing mud at eachother, it was mostly Sega doing the sliiniing at Nintendo. Nintendo had a few ties but it was Sega all the way with the mud. The TG16 tried a little bit earlier on with the CD but that was shortlived.Jag85
Largely, because Nintendo had already (almost single-handedly) brought home console gaming back from the brink of extinction... They had already proven themselves. Sega was the newer kid on the block, the contender, shooting upward at a giant who only had to look down.
Actually, it's Nintendo who was the "newer" kid on the block. Sega had been making video games long before Nintendo. Sega may have been newer to consoles, but they were already an established arcade game manufacturer long before that.
Also, it was only in North America where Sega published those mud-slinging ads. In Europe, I hardly remember Sega ever taking pot-shots at Nintendo, since Sega already had the larger market share down here since the 8-bit era.
I think Nintendo was ahead in Japan though earlier on.[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]
Largely, because Nintendo had already (almost single-handedly) brought home console gaming back from the brink of extinction... They had already proven themselves. Sega was the newer kid on the block, the contender, shooting upward at a giant who only had to look down.
ImJESUS-PROam
Actually, it's Nintendo who was the "newer" kid on the block. Sega had been making video games long before Nintendo. Sega may have been newer to consoles, but they were already an established arcade game manufacturer long before that.
Also, it was only in North America where Sega published those mud-slinging ads. In Europe, I hardly remember Sega ever taking pot-shots at Nintendo, since Sega already had the larger market share down here since the 8-bit era.
I think Nintendo was ahead in Japan though earlier on.Historically accurate, perhaps, but we're not talking about arcade history combined with consoles here... We're discussing the home market and the commercial pushes of both manufacturers, so that factoid is completely erroneous to the conversation, and my post still stands - Nintendo is responsible for returning the home market to life after the 1983 crash of the industry, and Sega was the new contender (despite their arcade history); Hence, the advertising push and mud-slinging, by Sega.
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I think Nintendo was ahead in Japan though earlier on.[QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"][QUOTE="Jag85"]
Actually, it's Nintendo who was the "newer" kid on the block. Sega had been making video games long before Nintendo. Sega may have been newer to consoles, but they were already an established arcade game manufacturer long before that.
Also, it was only in North America where Sega published those mud-slinging ads. In Europe, I hardly remember Sega ever taking pot-shots at Nintendo, since Sega already had the larger market share down here since the 8-bit era.
MonkeySpot
Historically accurate, perhaps, but we're not talking about arcade history combined with consoles here... We're discussing the home market and the commercial pushes of both manufacturers, so that factoid is completely erroneous to the conversation, and my post still stands - Nintendo is responsible for returning the home market to life after the 1983 crash of the industry, and Sega was the new contender (despite their arcade history); Hence, the advertising push and mud-slinging, by Sega.
Don't waste your breath. He'll just argue every last detail about it, then turn around and tell you he never was arguing and you're putting words in his mouth to make yourself feel better. He's already done it to me and Jag; about this very same subject.
I think Nintendo was ahead in Japan though earlier on.[QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"][QUOTE="Jag85"]
Actually, it's Nintendo who was the "newer" kid on the block. Sega had been making video games long before Nintendo. Sega may have been newer to consoles, but they were already an established arcade game manufacturer long before that.
Also, it was only in North America where Sega published those mud-slinging ads. In Europe, I hardly remember Sega ever taking pot-shots at Nintendo, since Sega already had the larger market share down here since the 8-bit era.
MonkeySpot
Historically accurate, perhaps, but we're not talking about arcade history combined with consoles here... We're discussing the home market and the commercial pushes of both manufacturers, so that factoid is completely erroneous to the conversation, and my post still stands - Nintendo is responsible for returning the home market to life after the 1983 crash of the industry, and Sega was the new contender (despite their arcade history); Hence, the advertising push and mud-slinging, by Sega.
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Prehaps, although I don't think Atari did any mudsining during that time or NEC (Who was giant at the time) so props to them. Althoug NEc not so much in the U.S.troll trying to piss people off .Emerald_Warrior[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]you don't seem to think the crash ever existed. QUOTE] never said this and he know it. [QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]You're the only moron on QUOTE] [QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]He'll just argue every last detail about it, then turn around and tell you he never was arguing and you're putting words in his mouth to make yourself feel better. He's already done it to me and Jag; about this very same subject.QUOTE] In a thread that was completely unrelated and he dove in to troll intentionally.
Troll with 50 alts.Emerald_Warrior
I really hope you get banned Emerald_Warrior[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]you piece of trash troll.QUOTE] Personally i think he's still 2 points ahead, but when you back up a guy and don't actually read what he says because he has a higher level i can see why you would be ignorant enough to make that statement.
I think Nintendo was ahead in Japan though earlier on.[QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"][QUOTE="Jag85"]
Actually, it's Nintendo who was the "newer" kid on the block. Sega had been making video games long before Nintendo. Sega may have been newer to consoles, but they were already an established arcade game manufacturer long before that.
Also, it was only in North America where Sega published those mud-slinging ads. In Europe, I hardly remember Sega ever taking pot-shots at Nintendo, since Sega already had the larger market share down here since the 8-bit era.
MonkeySpot
Historically accurate, perhaps, but we're not talking about arcade history combined with consoles here... We're discussing the home market and the commercial pushes of both manufacturers, so that factoid is completely erroneous to the conversation, and my post still stands - Nintendo is responsible for returning the home market to life after the 1983 crash of the industry, and Sega was the new contender (despite their arcade history); Hence, the advertising push and mud-slinging, by Sega.
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Prehaps, although I don't think Atari did any mudsining during that time or NEC (Who was giant at the time) so props to them. Althoug NEc not so much in the U.S.[QUOTE="Dudersaper"] Lol? [QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"] [QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]you don't seem to think the crash ever existed. QUOTE] never said this and he know it. [QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]You're the only moron on QUOTE] [QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]He'll just argue every last detail about it, then turn around and tell you he never was arguing and you're putting words in his mouth to make yourself feel better. He's already done it to me and Jag; about this very same subject.QUOTE] In a thread that was completely unrelated and he dove in to troll intentionally. [QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]Troll with 50 alts.ImJESUS-PROam
I really hope you get banned Emerald_Warrior
you piece of trash troll.QUOTE] Personally i think he's still 2 points ahead, but when you back up a guy and don't actually read what he says because he has a higher level i can see why you would be ignorant enough to make that statement.Emerald_Warrior
Yep, I'm getting pretty freaking sick of your B.S. around here. I'm sick of you coming in, ruining the place with your adolescent trolling crap, and continually driving regulars off. It's freaking pathetic that a person would dedicate so much effort to continually getting banned and returning over and over again just to piss everyone off. And the entire forum has visibally suffered because of it. There is a lot less traffic and regulars missing since you've started all this crap, and it amazes me that you keep coming back. There is seriously something wrong with your head.
Yeah, and I noticed you flooding my inbox. That make you feel better to?
[QUOTE="Dudersaper"]Why are you putting me into the mix? All I said was that your insults towards Emerald (which, I may add, is one of the best posters in this board and deserves a bit of respect) were uncalled for, and they were. And so are these latest insults.ImJESUS-PROamNot even close! You ignore his horrible statements as if this was a one way thing! And respected? the dude jumps into a conversation that he knows nothing about just to troll! You are just as hopeless! But fine, mods apparently moderated one of my statement, so it's obvious this is a "higher level" thing, but wait till they read every yep. I'll let you guys sit here and troll longer, one day I will come back when you people aren't so corrupted, I wonder how many others you people will gang up on? I can't wait to see!
LMAO! Do you really expect anyone to believe that the mods edited your posts to make you look any certain way? That's right. You got me. It's all a big conspiracy. Me and the mods are in on it together, I pay them just to make it look that way.
Not even close! You ignore his horrible statements as if this was a one way thing! And respected? the dude jumps into a conversation that he knows nothing about just to troll! You are just as hopeless! But fine, mods apparently moderated one of my statement, so it's obvious this is a "higher level" thing, but wait till they read every yep. I'll let you guys sit here and troll longer, one day I will come back when you people aren't so corrupted, I wonder how many others you people will gang up on? I can't wait to see![QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"][QUOTE="Dudersaper"]Why are you putting me into the mix? All I said was that your insults towards Emerald (which, I may add, is one of the best posters in this board and deserves a bit of respect) were uncalled for, and they were. And so are these latest insults.Emerald_Warrior
LMAO! Do you really expect anyone to believe that the mods edited your posts to make you look any certain way? That's right. You got me. It's all a big conspiracy. Me and the mods are in on it together, I pay them just to make it look that way.
I never said they were working wioth you I even said wait till they read your crap. Which just proves you ocne again are a sad tool of depression the world does not need. A person who must make up others words to make himself feel better, or if not that you can't read. I honestly don't see what your problem is, even jumping in a thread conversation without knowing what the thread was about. Try explaining that? You can't Awww, poor baby.
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