1st / 3rd person games too ambitious for a smartphone?

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#1 nicksonman
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Anyone think 1st and 3rd person games just don't cut the mustard on a smartphone? They look nice and all, but really, they're console games. I've had more fun playing games like They Need to be Fed, Karoshi, and Apparatus. The touchscreen controls are the main culprit, and the experience just isn't done justice on a small screen. GTA3 is the latest example. Kudos to the devs for trying, but really, these games are meant to be enjoyed on a console. Just my thoughts.

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#2 arsenal262
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well fps games like modern combat 3 are very good on the touch screen.

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#3 NaturalDisplay
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Anyone think 1st and 3rd person games just don't cut the mustard on a smartphone? They look nice and all, but really, they're console games. I've had more fun playing games like They Need to be Fed, Karoshi, and Apparatus. The touchscreen controls are the main culprit, and the experience just isn't done justice on a small screen. GTA3 is the latest example. Kudos to the devs for trying, but really, these games are meant to be enjoyed on a console. Just my thoughts.

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Agreed. They have good graphics, but gameplay cannot be compared to dedicated gaming devices.

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#4 AmazonTreeBoa
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Well it is clear you haven't played NOVA or Shadow Guardian.
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#5 AmazonTreeBoa
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Also lol at you for saying FPS belong on console. No sorry, they actually belong on PC. If you wish to knock FPS on phones for bad controls, then you have to knock them on console for having bad controls.
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#6 flipin_jackass
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^^ Agreed, FPS is best on PC. But I do agree with the TC as well, I've played a few 1st person games on my device and I haven't really enjoy many of them. I think the only one I actually enjoyed is Minecraft. Anyway, I still have quite a bit of 1st/3rd person games to try and I don't want to assume that they all suck. I'm sure there are some decent ones out there.
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Well it is clear you haven't played NOVA or Shadow Guardian.AmazonTreeBoa
Oh, the cheap rip-offs of Halo and Uncharted
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#8 Gambler_3
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As pointed first person controls suck on consoles as well although not quite as bad.

Third person games are best played with an analog stick or mouse so touchscreen fairs badly in that again. I feel any game where there is a virtual joystick on a touchscreen just plain sucks but hey people like em so thats why those games are made.

I much prefer the cute simple games on a phone which make best use of sensors and touchscreen because that kinda experience you cant really get anywhere else.

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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Well it is clear you haven't played NOVA or Shadow Guardian.AvatarMan96
Oh, the cheap rip-offs of Halo and Uncharted

They still control well, which is the point of this thread. ;)
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#11 UssjTrunks
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I much prefer the cute simple games on a phone which make best use of sensors and touchscreen because that kinda experience you cant really get anywhere else.

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#12 AmazonTreeBoa
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I just picked up Modern Combat 3 for 99 cent and it is awesome. The graphics are great and the controls are nice. I haven't gotten to far in it yet, but I like what I have played so far. 748MB download the first time you launch the game, so plan on using a WiFi connection or having it take awhile if not on WiFi. I haven't checked out the online multiplayer yet.
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I just picked up Modern Combat 3 for 99 cent and it is awesome. The graphics are great and the controls are nice. I haven't gotten to far in it yet, but I like what I have played so far. 748MB download the first time you launch the game, so plan on using a WiFi connection or having it take awhile if not on WiFi. I haven't checked out the online multiplayer yet. AmazonTreeBoa
I got it too but i hated both previous MC so i hope this is better. I disagree about your point on consoles though, an xbox controller is the most ideal FPS control sheme for me, even when i play FPS's on pc i have to put on a 360 controller.
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#14 awptical
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Havent tried a mobile FPS game that I've liked so far. In the middle of DLing MC3..if it will stop giving me errors...

As for GTA III, I think it works great. Maybe screen size is an issue? On the Gnex its a blast. Somethings can be a bit annoying on the mobile yes, but its basically the same experience as the PS2 game minus free aim. Controlling is easy, if you're having issues you can move the buttoms around to your liking. I've gotten to the third island on my own so its not bad at all. Great game and great port to mobile devices. Hope to see Vice City and San Andreas soon.

On a side note, Ive been rocking Metal Gear Solid on android as well. Runs great. Some bumps along the way sure, but just got past Pyscho Mantis :). I think any type of game can run effecitvely on all mobile devices, just need to use some creative thinking to overcome certain hurdles.

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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]I just picked up Modern Combat 3 for 99 cent and it is awesome. The graphics are great and the controls are nice. I haven't gotten to far in it yet, but I like what I have played so far. 748MB download the first time you launch the game, so plan on using a WiFi connection or having it take awhile if not on WiFi. I haven't checked out the online multiplayer yet. mystic_knight
I got it too but i hated both previous MC so i hope this is better. I disagree about your point on consoles though, an xbox controller is the most ideal FPS control sheme for me, even when i play FPS's on pc i have to put on a 360 controller.

That's the Beirut about facts. You don't have to agree with them for them to remain fact.
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[QUOTE="mystic_knight"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]I just picked up Modern Combat 3 for 99 cent and it is awesome. The graphics are great and the controls are nice. I haven't gotten to far in it yet, but I like what I have played so far. 748MB download the first time you launch the game, so plan on using a WiFi connection or having it take awhile if not on WiFi. I haven't checked out the online multiplayer yet. AmazonTreeBoa
I got it too but i hated both previous MC so i hope this is better. I disagree about your point on consoles though, an xbox controller is the most ideal FPS control sheme for me, even when i play FPS's on pc i have to put on a 360 controller.

That's the Beirut about facts. You don't have to agree with them for them to remain fact.

:P Your fact is baseless. Its just an opinion with a high amount of support.... Not necessarily fact but perhaps because of my Lebo background i see this in a different way :P
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[QUOTE="mystic_knight"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="mystic_knight"] I got it too but i hated both previous MC so i hope this is better. I disagree about your point on consoles though, an xbox controller is the most ideal FPS control sheme for me, even when i play FPS's on pc i have to put on a 360 controller.

That's the Beirut about facts. You don't have to agree with them for them to remain fact.

:P Your fact is baseless. Its just an opinion with a high amount of support.... Not necessarily fact but perhaps because of my Lebo background i see this in a different way :P

Sorry but even Microsoft themselves proved it as fact. They tested the waters of cross platform play with FPS and decided against it because even their best players were getting owned by average PC gamers. So you can live in denial all you wish. It changes nothing. Good day.
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#18 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="mystic_knight"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]I just picked up Modern Combat 3 for 99 cent and it is awesome. The graphics are great and the controls are nice. I haven't gotten to far in it yet, but I like what I have played so far. 748MB download the first time you launch the game, so plan on using a WiFi connection or having it take awhile if not on WiFi. I haven't checked out the online multiplayer yet. AmazonTreeBoa
I got it too but i hated both previous MC so i hope this is better. I disagree about your point on consoles though, an xbox controller is the most ideal FPS control sheme for me, even when i play FPS's on pc i have to put on a 360 controller.

That's the Beirut about facts. You don't have to agree with them for them to remain fact.

Just notice my phones typo. The word should have been beauty, not Beirut.
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#19 mystic_knight
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]That's the Beirut about facts. You don't have to agree with them for them to remain fact.AmazonTreeBoa
Just notice my phones typo. The word should have been beauty, not Beirut.

:?I thought you purposely typed that based on my comment in the post your lock screen thread.
Sorry but even Microsoft themselves proved it as fact. They tested the waters of cross platform play with FPS and decided against it because even their best players were getting owned by average PC gamers. So you can live in denial all you wish. It changes nothing. Good day.AmazonTreeBoa
Your post appears very aggressive, just because the PC players may beat the console players, by no means are the console controls bad as you stated them to be.

The difference between KB&M to a 360 controller is no where near comparable to a touch screen vs physical controls.

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#21 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Just notice my phones typo. The word should have been beauty, not Beirut.mystic_knight

:?I thought you purposely typed that based on my comment in the post your lock screen thread.
Sorry but even Microsoft themselves proved it as fact. They tested the waters of cross platform play with FPS and decided against it because even their best players were getting owned by average PC gamers. So you can live in denial all you wish. It changes nothing. Good day.AmazonTreeBoa
Your post appears very aggressive, just because the PC players may beat the console players, by no means are the console controls bad as you stated them to be.

The difference between KB&M to a 360 controller is no where near comparable to a touch screen vs physical controls.

Please do tell. How bad did I state them to be? Oh wait...I didn't. So who's post have you been reading? Because it clearly isn't mine.
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#22 mystic_knight
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Also lol at you for saying FPS belong on console. No sorry, they actually belong on PC. If you wish to knock FPS on phones for bad controls, then you have to knock them on console for having bad controls.AmazonTreeBoa
This was the comment i was referencing to.
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#23 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Also lol at you for saying FPS belong on console. No sorry, they actually belong on PC. If you wish to knock FPS on phones for bad controls, then you have to knock them on console for having bad controls.mystic_knight
This was the comment i was referencing to.

Well please point out when i actually said how bad they were.
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#24 mystic_knight
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[QUOTE="mystic_knight"] This was the comment i was referencing to.AmazonTreeBoa
Well please point out when i actually said how bad they were.

-_-' You never directly stated that but your wording indicated that console controls are poor compared to pc controls for FPS. I simply indicated that you can not compare touch controls and console controls since console controls are clearly playable with ease when touch controls are not. Hence my comment,
The difference between KB&M to a 360 controller is no where near comparable to a touch screen vs physical controls.mystic_knight

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#25 Gambler_3
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console controls are clearly playable with ease when touch controls are not.

mystic_knight

That depends on who you are asking. There are people perfectly ok with touch controls like there are people perfectly ok with FPS on consoles or even RTS games.

Then there are people like me who arent ok with console controls for certain games so they are not always "clearly playable with ease". Yes it doesnt get nearly as bad as a touchscreen but as I said it also depends on the person.

Even a keyboard/mouse is fairly bad for certain games but the PC always has the option of controller for those games so thats why PC is the superior platform for controls. There can never be a one perfect control device for all games.

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#26 mystic_knight
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[QUOTE="mystic_knight"]

console controls are clearly playable with ease when touch controls are not.

Gambler_3

That depends on who you are asking. There are people perfectly ok with touch controls like there are people perfectly ok with FPS on consoles or even RTS games.

Then there are people like me who arent ok with console controls for certain games so they are not always "clearly playable with ease". Yes it doesnt get nearly as bad as a touchscreen but as I said it also depends on the person.

Even a keyboard/mouse is fairly bad for certain games but the PC always has the option of controller for those games so thats why PC is the superior platform for controls. There can never be a one perfect control device for all games.

I see what you guys are saying, Originally i did say that the 360 controller suited "me" perfectly I never stated it to be the best control scheme, but for FPS's i doubt touch controls can ever beat physical controls. If someone out there does enjoy touch controls more, surprise me.
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#27 UssjTrunks
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That depends on who you are asking. There are people perfectly ok with touch controls like there are people perfectly ok with FPS on consoles or even RTS games

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Touch screen controls follow the console control scheme, but lack the hardware aspect. They are by far the worst of the three.

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#28 Gambler_3
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

That depends on who you are asking. There are people perfectly ok with touch controls like there are people perfectly ok with FPS on consoles or even RTS games

UssjTrunks



Touch screen controls follow the console control scheme, but lack the hardware aspect. They are by far the worst of the three.

I agree but console controls are still magnitudes behind PC for certain genres, that was my point.

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#29 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="mystic_knight"] Well please point out when i actually said how bad they were.mystic_knight

-_-' You never directly stated that but your wording indicated that console controls are poor compared to pc controls for FPS. I simply indicated that you can not compare touch controls and console controls since console controls are clearly playable with ease when touch controls are not. Hence my comment,
The difference between KB&M to a 360 controller is no where near comparable to a touch screen vs physical controls.mystic_knight

Na my wording didn't indicate that at all. You just read too much into what I said. But I do agree that the gap is wider between touch screen and controller than it is between controller and keyboard/mouse.
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#30 mystic_knight
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:P Sorry for my misinterpretation then. I have about 350mb to go before MC3 finishes installing. If i can tolerate playing it we should do a round online.
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#31 AmazonTreeBoa
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:P Sorry for my misinterpretation then. I have about 350mb to go before MC3 finishes installing. If i can tolerate playing it we should do a round online.mystic_knight
Yeah we will have to do that. What you playing on?
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#32 mystic_knight
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[QUOTE="mystic_knight"]:P Sorry for my misinterpretation then. I have about 350mb to go before MC3 finishes installing. If i can tolerate playing it we should do a round online.AmazonTreeBoa
Yeah we will have to do that. What you playing on?

Desire HD... I need to free up 1.6 gb on my sd card :cry: how the hell will i do that i might take off MC2 I already took off Hero of Sparta.
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#33 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="mystic_knight"]:P Sorry for my misinterpretation then. I have about 350mb to go before MC3 finishes installing. If i can tolerate playing it we should do a round online.mystic_knight
Yeah we will have to do that. What you playing on?

Desire HD... I need to free up 1.6 gb on my sd card :cry: how the hell will i do that i might take off MC2 I already took off Hero of Sparta.

LOL you sound like my an 8Gb came with my Evo 3D and I just had to free up all kinds of space. I need to just get a 32Gb card. MC3 alone almost takes up a gig. The download for me was over 750Mb. I ended up taking Dungeon Hunter 2, Shadow Guardian, and Captain America off my phone until I get me a bigger memory card.
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#34 awptical
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Beat MC3 in one sitting yesterday. Pleasently surprised at how great the looks and handles. I cant see how anyone would prefer garbage like angry birds over this. This game handles great and only an ape would find it difficult for more than a few minutes. Ive mastered the controls on this game as well as 9mm and Shadowgun. Judging by how I got my butt whooped on mp last night, im not th only one. Cant wait to see more games like these. Keeping games stuck like angry birds is a step backwards.