A 2-D gameplay Metroid for the Wii with aiming example. (Updated 3-14-2009)

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Added some videos of fan made Metroid games that utilize mouse aiming. This will give you an idea of how it could work with Wii controls:

Project Dread - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJYd8O6Kj9M&fmt=18

Metroid Bounty - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35BRVCyIInI&feature=related

Metroid Subzero - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow2K1PK_5ik&feature=related

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NOTICE: When I say 2-D game play, I mean how the game is played, not it's graphics!

People tend to boo at the thought of 2-D gameplay on the Wii. Well, SSBB is 2-D game play and it's fun, so saying that 2-D only belongs on handhelds these days is simply being short-sighted. Heck, even most of Super Paper Mario was played in 2-D game play. From the looks of it, there are plenty of 2-D games coming the the Wii via Wiiware, too, so I say 2-D game play isn't dead!

First, think about Super Metroid in all its glory. With the Prime trilogy finished, I think it's time Nintendo revived the epicness of Metroid in it's original game play **** And here's how:

First off, the gaphics would be current gen stuff. Nice 3-D textures and models of course. Here's an example of what Super Metroid could look like with updated graphics. I don't know who made this pic, I just got it from another thread.

Next, the controls! With the Wii's controls, you can have the nunchaku to run around with using the analog stick and the two buttons for jump/grapple, or whatever you map to them in the options. The wiimote could control a cursor on the screen and wherever the cursor is on the screen, Samus will be aiming at it. I'm sure there are plenty of examples of this kind of aiming mechanism out there, but here's one to give you an example: http://portal.wecreatestuff.com/portal.php It's a flash version of the game Portal (and pretty fun). Notice how the aiming works with your mouse. Now imagine if Super Metroid had the same kind of aiming using the wiimote. Now you're starting to get the idea of how a new Metroid with 2-D game play could work out. You could run in any direction, while aiming and shooting in any other direction. Check out Metroid: Bounty, which is a fan made Metroid game that uses mouse aiming! A perfect example of what I'm talking about, plus an awesome fan made game!

Music! Metroid and Super Metroid music was good, imo. We don't need to reinvent the wheel here. Jsut take old tracks, redo them to get them updated (like how they used the Brinstar music from Super Metroid in Metroid Prime 2) and slam 'em in there. THis will really bring back nostalgic memories for old school Metroid fans while providing a fresh updated soundtrack worht of current gen games.

But what about content? Sure, 2-D worlds are fun to explore and fight in, but they usually aren't big enough to provide enough content for modern console games. Make the worlds bigger? Sure, but not too big. Metroid games have a lot of running back and forth in them (get a new item late in the game that allows you to access secret areas that you found early in the game), so we don't want the world to be so big that people pull their hair out from all the running.

FMV cut-scenes could add some nice content. High res clips of bosses making their entrance before the fight and the like. Could be cool.

Unlockables could work. MP3's (songs from all the games, perhaps even redone arrangements) that can be saved to your SD card, pics of concept art, etc.

Online content! Yes, I said online content. Remember back in the glory days of Metroid gaming when it was all about percentiles and speed runs? They could have leader boards to display these scores and rank each player's score.

If they really got fancy they could even add in online play. Co-op levels where 2 players have to "solve" the puzzles of an area to open up a boss fight and defeat him. The scores from these "quick games" (not part of the story line) could go up on the leader boards, too. Heck, they could even do some PvP matches, too... not so much about just killing each other, but about trying to solve puzzles before the other guy does, all while defending yourself from the opponent and monsters. Perhaps even races could take place online, where both players scramble to escape a self destructing ship or something. All of these scores could go up on the leader boards.

I'm just tossing ideas out there. Feel free to add your own!

I don't want to see 2-D game play disregarded as inferior. If we can crank up the graphics, update the controls, dish out a good sound track, and have them all play out in a fresh new story driven world and offer good replay value, then I think it would be very successful. :)

And to all those who think 2-D game play should stick to handhelds, you have to pause and realize that SSBB is a 2-D game play game. Many of the announced Wiiware titles are 2-D game play. 2-D for hand helds only? I think that's just being short-sighted.

i had the same idea

this game will be awesome(if you add a brawl liked control maping whit the cursor idea)

hell to the no. 2d/2.5d needs to die when it comes to adventure games and platforms.

samus got one hell of an upgrade she doesn't need to be backtracked. the storyline for the next series is going to be something epic and 2.d would kill that hype so badly. if retro doesnt do fpa for the next metroid series then they should go 3rd person shooter/action adventure

brawl is a fighting game and most fighting games are 2d or 2.5d etc.. the SSE in brawl was not all that. the cutscenes were hot but everything else was stupid. hell, brawl wasnt even all that of a game.

they could possibly re-create the old metroid games and put them on wiiware or something but as it pertains to the storyline post prime. not a good idea and i'm sure it would not sell.

2d metroid games make the gaming experience feel so claustrophobic

hell to the no. 2d/2.5d needs to die when it comes to adventure games and platforms.

samus got one hell of an upgrade she doesn't need to be backtracked. the storyline for the next series is going to be something epic and 2.d would kill that hype so badly. if retro doesnt do fpa for the next metroid series then they should go 3rd person shooter/action adventure

brawl is a fighting game and most fighting games are 2d or 2.5d etc.. the SSE in brawl was not all that. the cutscenes were hot but everything else was stupid. hell, brawl wasnt even all that of a game.

they could possibly re-create the old metroid games and put them on wiiware or something but as it pertains to the storyline post prime. not a good idea and i'm sure it would not sell.

2d metroid games make the gaming experience feel so claustrophobic

BrooklynHotBoy

But here's the thing you need to relize...All of the actual Metroid Games have been 2D, I know Prime was 3D, but that was a side story, inbetween two established games. Metroid is meant to be a 2D game, and the idea that TC has posted, you must admit is good. Super metroid proves that you can be 2D and epic.

But here's the thing you need to relize...All of the actual Metroid Games have been 2D, I know Prime was 3D, but that was a side story, inbetween two established games. Metroid is meant to be a 2D game, and the idea that TC has posted, you must admit is good. Super metroid proves that you can be 2D and epic.

pop7934

prime was the first metroid series to come to a major console since snes. how can you say it was meant to be 2d? it was a franchise that needed to be ressurected. it was only getting games on handhelds for the longest time and that was the only way to keep up with the story line which over a period of time got redundant and played out.

then metroid goes 3d and wins all these awards and gets praises for innovation and creativity. that right there is enough reason to scrap 2d. I don't know why majority of nintendo gamers are so scared of change. just because metroid started out as 2d doesn't mean it has to continue on as such. yes prime was a side story to the actual storyline but i wouldn't be surprised if it was nintendos way of testing the waters of putting metroid on a major console.

either way, where zero mission left off, i would not want that to be another 2d game. its stale and old. i would much rather have that as a 3rd person shooter/adventure. kill 2d metroid, nintendo

Only problem I have with your suggestions is the aiming mechanism. I think aiming in that way with the mouse is great, but the Wii-motes are too finicky and too jumpy, not to mention my arm would get tired trying to aim for a few hours (and trust me, I'd play a new old-school Metroid for HOURS). I think all the pointing and motion sensitive stuff should be left out. Make it all button oriented, just like the originals. That way, you could use the Wii Classic Controller for the truly old-school feel. SentientGames

First of all, the only N made game with a jumpy pointer is LoZ:TP. Every other one has perfect pointer control. Second, why would your arm get tired? It's not like you're holding the rmote in the air or anything. Last, IR aiming is leaps and bounds better than d-pad or analog aming. It's faster, more accurate, easier to control, and allows for more moves like shooting and moving in two directions at the same time.

I've been wishing for a 3D side-scrolling Metroid. The Prime games were pretty cool, but they didn't have the feel of Metroid IMO. I've actually been playing Super Metroid and Metroid: Zero Mission lately, and I thought an updated version for the Wii would be sweet. Only problem I have with your suggestions is the aiming mechanism. I think aiming in that way with the mouse is great, but the Wii-motes are too finicky and too jumpy, not to mention my arm would get tired trying to aim for a few hours (and trust me, I'd play a new old-school Metroid for HOURS). I think all the pointing and motion sensitive stuff should be left out. Make it all button oriented, just like the originals. That way, you could use the Wii Classic Controller for the truly old-school feel. SentientGames

What? How do you play your wii games. The ir works fine when you you play on the couch with your arms on your legs, You don't need to keep them in the air

Leave now and go work for Nintendo only come when you have info on the gamestarmetroid

Heh, I wish. Unfortunately I'm only in my first year of college and I assume Nintendo would want more experience than intro to Visual BASIC programming. :P

These are some really cool ideas and I'd gladly buy something like this for my Wii. Sadly I doubt Nintendo would actually go through with all of this. Sure newbie gamers will have a new and exciting experience but they've already been blasted with Metroid Prime 3 on the Wii, so I suspect if they were going to do another 2D Metroid Nintendo may take the safe path and go for the DS, which would cater for the weak-mindedness of those who think you can't have 2D gameplay on a full console and the leap from 3D to 2D for those who have already played Metroid Prime. Indeed SSBB was a successful 2D Wii game but that was much more of a sure fire thng for Nintendo, they knew that one would sell.

Then there's getting together a development team that's up for the job. Metroid isn't really like any other platforming game out there and it's been 5 and a half years since the last Metroid platformer was released. It's not impossible to do so but bringing the game into modern gaming while still retaining all the positives of the original from over 20 years ago is a daunting task and would require Nintendo getting some people who really knew what they were doing.

you people seem to forget that in MP 3, there is indeed a little bit of 2D gameplay. you know, when you're going through the tunnels in the morph ball? with that being said, think about the 2D gameplay on Mario Galaxy. that too is a really cool thing, which also would be an awesome game. alot like NEW super mario bros. but with better control and graphics.

so, i'm all for this idea.

I think things like this is what Wiiware is for. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Nintendo made 2D versions of each of their classic franchises for it. Let the 3D metroids continue as full games and let 2D be handhelds and downloadables. There are exceptions of course (Brawl just wouldn't have worked as a 3D game), But in general console games should be 3D, because that can't be done as well for a handheld or downloadable game. However, i would love it if parts of the next Metroid where like your idea, just not the whole thing.

hell to the no. 2d/2.5d needs to die when it comes to adventure games and platforms.

samus got one hell of an upgrade she doesn't need to be backtracked. the storyline for the next series is going to be something epic and 2.d would kill that hype so badly. if retro doesnt do fpa for the next metroid series then they should go 3rd person shooter/action adventure

brawl is a fighting game and most fighting games are 2d or 2.5d etc.. the SSE in brawl was not all that. the cutscenes were hot but everything else was stupid. hell, brawl wasnt even all that of a game.

they could possibly re-create the old metroid games and put them on wiiware or something but as it pertains to the storyline post prime. not a good idea and i'm sure it would not sell.

2d metroid games make the gaming experience feel so claustrophobic

BrooklynHotBoy

That's just it, though... 2-D games aren't dying. With the WiiWare and VC, they are actually making a come -back. There is plenty of interest in 2-D gaming, but the problem is that big name publishers aren't confident enough that they will sell. WiiWare is proof enough of that... now that smaller developers have a chance to throw their wares into the mix, we're seeing plenty of good looking 2-D games on the horizon.

I think this just reopens the market for serious 2-D game play (2.5-D, rather, since we're talking 3-D graphics) games being developed in the future. If the new WiiWare games generate enough interest (and most importantly, revenue) then the "big dogs" of the gaming industry will not be as aprehensive to continue withthe 2-D game play legacy becuase they'll want a slice ofthe pie as well.

Could a 2.5-D Metroid like my idea be good on WiiWare? Certainly. I think it would be a safe bet that it would get downloaded like crazy. It obviously would be cheaper than buying a retail disc. Every old school Metroid fan will download it for sure, and I'm sure even Metroid Prime fans who have never played a 2-D metroid game will give it a try just for the name alone (and I bet they would love it, too).

I could even see it getting released on retail disc, if there was enough content on it. I know I would buy it :)

It's heartbreaking, I used to Love love love love Metroid games. The second they went 3d, they kinda lost me. It's not even that I'm against 3d FPS, it's just that metroid style felt a little lost.

You're work looks awesome, and if you passed the idea I would gladly be waiting on release day to pick it up. Nice work, hope you can get your voice heard on it.

hell to the no. 2d/2.5d needs to die when it comes to adventure games and platforms.

samus got one hell of an upgrade she doesn't need to be backtracked. the storyline for the next series is going to be something epic and 2.d would kill that hype so badly. if retro doesnt do fpa for the next metroid series then they should go 3rd person shooter/action adventure

brawl is a fighting game and most fighting games are 2d or 2.5d etc.. the SSE in brawl was not all that. the cutscenes were hot but everything else was stupid. hell, brawl wasnt even all that of a game.

they could possibly re-create the old metroid games and put them on wiiware or something but as it pertains to the storyline post prime. not a good idea and i'm sure it would not sell.

2d metroid games make the gaming experience feel so claustrophobic

BrooklynHotBoy

I really don't think Metroid has "Come so far" in 3d as you say. It hardly stands out against other quality shooters. Metroid is one of the best 2d Platformers EVER, that opinion is shared by many. Look at games like Rez and Ikaruga that went to XBLA and did awesome. Especially Ikaruga, who would expect a scrolling 2d shooter to hold up so well?

This game would work. Period. Xbpx Live has proven that, take an older popular game, add new refreshing graphics, and minor gameplay adjustments. People eat it up. Any old school gamer would flock to the store on release day, and 2d quick sidescrollers are great for casuals who just want to play short periods of time. For you to say 2d Metroid games feel Claustrophobic, then you must be young. Any real Metroid fan, will tell you the best days for Metroid are behind us. They need to light the candle again, and start working towards a refreshing change.

The Brawl, Wii Kids are the ones keeping it from happening. I will agree with you that third person shooter might be an idea, I'm just ready for a change...not buying the Same game I've played twice on Gamecube already. I keep buying Metroid games, and keep wondering why.

That's just it, though... 2-D games aren't dying. With the WiiWare and VC, they are actually making a come -back. There is plenty of interest in 2-D gaming, but the problem is that big name publishers aren't confident enough that they will sell. WiiWare is proof enough of that... now that smaller developers have a chance to throw their wares into the mix, we're seeing plenty of good looking 2-D games on the horizon.

I think this just reopens the market for serious 2-D game play (2.5-D, rather, since we're talking 3-D graphics) games being developed in the future. If the new WiiWare games generate enough interest (and most importantly, revenue) then the "big dogs" of the gaming industry will not be as aprehensive to continue withthe 2-D game play legacy becuase they'll want a slice ofthe pie as well.

Could a 2.5-D Metroid like my idea be good on WiiWare? Certainly. I think it would be a safe bet that it would get downloaded like crazy. It obviously would be cheaper than buying a retail disc. Every old school Metroid fan will download it for sure, and I'm sure even Metroid Prime fans who have never played a 2-D metroid game will give it a try just for the name alone (and I bet they would love it, too).

I could even see it getting released on retail disc, if there was enough content on it. I know I would buy it :)

Mike1978Smith

I'm not against a 2.5d game on wiiware. if nintendo wants to make a lil side game for the metroid 2d lovers then sure go at it? as long as it has nothing to do with the actual storyline (like prime or hunters) then go for it. You said "nintendo should revive metroid in its original gameplay" or whatever. prime revived the metroid series. its only fitting they stick with the 3d format and either continue with the genre of fpa or move into a 3rd person shooter/adventure. it only makes sense. backtracking will not do samus justice.

this still leads me to ponder why so many nintendo fans fear change. i would love for nintendo to hand all metroid responsibility to retro so they could continue on working with the series and the original storyline. i'm sure it would get praise just like prime did.

I really don't think Metroid has "Come so far" in 3d as you say. It hardly stands out against other quality shooters. Metroid is one of the best 2d Platformers EVER, that opinion is shared by many. Look at games like Rez and Ikaruga that went to XBLA and did awesome. Especially Ikaruga, who would expect a scrolling 2d shooter to hold up so well?

This game would work. Period. Xbpx Live has proven that, take an older popular game, add new refreshing graphics, and minor gameplay adjustments. People eat it up. Any old school gamer would flock to the store on release day, and 2d quick sidescrollers are great for casuals who just want to play short periods of time. For you to say 2d Metroid games feel Claustrophobic, then you must be young. Any real Metroid fan, will tell you the best days for Metroid are behind us. They need to light the candle again, and start working towards a refreshing change.

The Brawl, Wii Kids are the ones keeping it from happening. I will agree with you that third person shooter might be an idea, I'm just ready for a change...not buying the Same game I've played twice on Gamecube already. I keep buying Metroid games, and keep wondering why.

Mau-Justice

I believe metroid has come very far in 3d. Critics ate the prime triology up. i was never too fond of metroid in 2d all though i've played them all and know the storyline in great detail. I also highly doubt a ressurection of a 2d prime game would sell. it would be a lost cause.

Also I am 21 years old buddy. if that makes me young then i take that as a compliment. and i am fan. just because i dont support having another 2d game in these current times makes me less of one? you basically said i'm not a "real fan". If you wanna go that route then i think anyone wants metroid in 2d is a casual gamer and an introvert.

Also that is very funny that you're saying you're tired of playing the prime series and wants a change yet every metroid game besides prime was a 2d side scroller and that has already been done. that just wreaks of hypocrisy

this still leads me to ponder why so many nintendo fans fear change.

BrooklynHotBoy

Who said anyone feared change? I've played both types, 2-D and 3-D and enjoyed them both, but I simply enjoy the 2-D side scrolling point of view more :) I mean, I still play Super Metroid to this day. I can't say the same about the Primes.

I believe metroid has come very far in 3d. Critics ate the prime triology up. i was never too fond of metroid in 2d all though i've played them all and know the storyline in great detail. I also highly doubt a ressurection of a 2d prime game would sell. it would be a lost cause.

Also I am 21 years old buddy. if that makes me young then i take that as a compliment. and i am fan. just because i dont support having another 2d game in these current times makes me less of one? you basically said i'm not a "real fan". If you wanna go that route then i think anyone wants metroid in 2d is a casual gamer and an introvert.

Also that is very funny that you're saying you're tired of playing the prime series and wants a change yet every metroid game besides prime was a 2d side scroller and that has already been done. that just wreaks of hypocrisy

BrooklynHotBoy

Why exactly do you think a well done, deep 2.5-D Metroid wouldn't sell? you may not be a big fan of the formula, but thats what hooked a generation of gamers...

...and it's not as if there's a whole slew of 2d metroids compared to the prime series...there are five 2d ones if you count zero mission, and four in the prime series if you count hunters... not a big difference, the series could easily go either way, or in a new direction entirely...honestly, i'd just like to see another one :)

Also I am 21 years old buddy. if that makes me young then i take that as a compliment. and i am fan. just because i dont support having another 2d game in these current times makes me less of one? you basically said i'm not a "real fan".

BrooklynHotBoy

Well, technically yes, you are a young gamer when the topic is about 2-D gaming. I mean, you weren't even born when the NES was released. Metroid came out in '87, about the same year you were born. I'm not saying anything bad about your age, just pointing out that you probably didn't get into the 2-D gaming era as much as you did with the 3-D gaming era.

Unfortunately it's reasons like this that 2-D gaming has been tossed to the curb side. Younger people look at the old games and think "No way, that wouldn't work today", so the big publishers, whose main market is younger people, don't think they would sell.

This is just short-sitedness of the gamers, unfortunately. They expect console games to get better with each generation, and because 2-D game play came before 3-D game play, they consider it old and inferior, when it really isn't. Yeah, 2-D graphics are out-dated, even though we still have games like Odin Sphere last year and King of Fighters XII coming up. But 2-D game play is still viable. Just look at the WiiWare titles that are lined up, there are 2-D game play games (Lost Winds looking the most interesting to me so far). Check out Mythos (a Diablo type MMO from the creators of Diablo in beta testing right now), it has 2-D game play. There are a plethora of 2-D PC games made by indie game developers out there, too (check out Aquaria, an awesome, "metroidvania" type of game). Oh, and let's not dismiss the fact that 2-D VC games are getting downloaded like crazy every day. No interest in 2-D game play? Looks like there is...

But the big game publishers don't have faith in 2-D game play because so many people consider it dead. It's all just a big prejudice, I think. With WiiWare coming up and Xbox Live doing it's thing, I feel this will change in the future and the nay-sayers out there will realize that 2-D gaming is still just as fun and viable as anything else. I think the first step is for people to realize that 2-D game play and 2-D graphics are completely seperate things.

The world is big enough for all types of game play, side scrolling, third person, first person, etc. Why limit ourselves? :)

[QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]

Also I am 21 years old buddy. if that makes me young then i take that as a compliment. and i am fan. just because i dont support having another 2d game in these current times makes me less of one? you basically said i'm not a "real fan".

Mike1978Smith

Well, technically yes, you are a young gamer when the topic is about 2-D gaming. I mean, you weren't even born when the NES was released. Metroid came out in '87, about the same year you were born. I'm not saying anything bad about your age, just pointing out that you probably didn't get into the 2-D gaming era as much as you did with the 3-D gaming era.

Unfortunately it's reasons like this that 2-D gaming has been tossed to the curb side. Younger people look at the old games and think "No way, that wouldn't work today", so the big publishers, whose main market is younger people, don't think they would sell.

This is just short-sitedness of the gamers, unfortunately. They expect console games to get better with each generation, and because 2-D game play came before 3-D game play, they consider it old and inferior, when it really isn't. Yeah, 2-D graphics are out-dated, even though we still have games like Odin Sphere last year and King of Fighters XII coming up. But 2-D game play is still viable. Just look at the WiiWare titles that are lined up, there are 2-D game play games (Lost Winds looking the most interesting to me so far). Check out Mythos (a Diablo type MMO from the creators of Diablo in beta testing right now), it has 2-D game play. There are a plethora of 2-D PC games made by indie game developers out there, too (check out Aquaria, an awesome, "metroidvania" type of game). Oh, and let's not dismiss the fact that 2-D VC games are getting downloaded like crazy every day. No interest in 2-D game play? Looks like there is...

But the big game publishers don't have faith in 2-D game play because so many people consider it dead. It's all just a big prejudice, I think. With WiiWare coming up and Xbox Live doing it's thing, I feel this will change in the future and the nay-sayers out there will realize that 2-D gaming is still just as fun and viable as anything else. I think the first step is for people to realize that 2-D game play and 2-D graphics are completely seperate things.

The world is big enough for all types of game play, side scrolling, third person, first person, etc. Why limit ourselves? :)

and your logic fails. I was introduced to gaming in the early 90's. first system in my household was nes then followed by snes which i had a variety of games for. also metroid didnt really come to fame until metroid: II and then really in 94 with super metroid. but you're considering yourself an older gamer and with that, the gaming world has no incentive to please you. you are the minority in this case. I love to 2d i think it was awesome i loved my snes and sega gensis but times change and you have to move on. thats life. i hold those games dear to me but i'm willing to accept that its 2008 and technology advances. sorry you have a hard time dealing with that.

[QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]

I believe metroid has come very far in 3d. Critics ate the prime triology up. i was never too fond of metroid in 2d all though i've played them all and know the storyline in great detail. I also highly doubt a ressurection of a 2d prime game would sell. it would be a lost cause.

Also I am 21 years old buddy. if that makes me young then i take that as a compliment. and i am fan. just because i dont support having another 2d game in these current times makes me less of one? you basically said i'm not a "real fan". If you wanna go that route then i think anyone wants metroid in 2d is a casual gamer and an introvert.

Also that is very funny that you're saying you're tired of playing the prime series and wants a change yet every metroid game besides prime was a 2d side scroller and that has already been done. that just wreaks of hypocrisy

Toki1776

Why exactly do you think a well done, deep 2.5-D Metroid wouldn't sell? you may not be a big fan of the formula, but thats what hooked a generation of gamers...

...and it's not as if there's a whole slew of 2d metroids compared to the prime series...there are five 2d ones if you count zero mission, and four in the prime series if you count hunters... not a big difference, the series could easily go either way, or in a new direction entirely...honestly, i'd just like to see another one :)

i'm most certain a 2.5d metroid game would not sell. but as someone suggested they could make some metroid game for wiiware. i'd support that. i wouldnt by it but i would support it. they could also make the storyline have nothing to do with the original storyline if they want to keep fans intersted.

a generation of gamers grew up and with that, so did metroid. i'm willing to accept that.

[QUOTE="Toki1776"][QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]

I believe metroid has come very far in 3d. Critics ate the prime triology up. i was never too fond of metroid in 2d all though i've played them all and know the storyline in great detail. I also highly doubt a ressurection of a 2d prime game would sell. it would be a lost cause.

Also I am 21 years old buddy. if that makes me young then i take that as a compliment. and i am fan. just because i dont support having another 2d game in these current times makes me less of one? you basically said i'm not a "real fan". If you wanna go that route then i think anyone wants metroid in 2d is a casual gamer and an introvert.

Also that is very funny that you're saying you're tired of playing the prime series and wants a change yet every metroid game besides prime was a 2d side scroller and that has already been done. that just wreaks of hypocrisy

BrooklynHotBoy

Why exactly do you think a well done, deep 2.5-D Metroid wouldn't sell? you may not be a big fan of the formula, but thats what hooked a generation of gamers...

...and it's not as if there's a whole slew of 2d metroids compared to the prime series...there are five 2d ones if you count zero mission, and four in the prime series if you count hunters... not a big difference, the series could easily go either way, or in a new direction entirely...honestly, i'd just like to see another one :)

i'm most certain a 2.5d metroid game would not sell. but as someone suggested they could make some metroid game for wiiware. i'd support that. i wouldnt by it but i would support it. they could also make the storyline have nothing to do with the original storyline if they want to keep fans intersted.

a generation of gamers grew up and with that, so did metroid. i'm willing to accept that.

Way to answer a question...

i'm willing to accept that its 2008 and technology advances. sorry you have a hard time dealing with that.

BrooklynHotBoy

I'm not suggesting we abandon first and third person perspectives or anything. I'm not suggesting they never make another Metroid game like the Prime series. What I AM suggesting is that we take that 2008 technology and put it to use in a new side scrolling Metroid game.

Sorry you have a hard time dealing with that :P

Way to answer a question...

Toki1776

how much more in depth do you want me to go to answer the question? 2d games aren't sellers now a days. if nintendo truly wants to keep up with samus they need to stick with 3d. they pretty much have no incentive to make metroid 2d again other than to please a few fans who think 2d is better.

[QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]

i'm willing to accept that its 2008 and technology advances. sorry you have a hard time dealing with that.

Mike1978Smith

I'm not suggesting we abandon first and third person perspectives or anything. I'm not suggesting they never make another Metroid game like the Prime series. What I AM suggesting is that we take that 2008 technology and put it to use in a new side scrolling Metroid game.

Sorry you have a hard time dealing with that :P

and sorry that you fail to realize that with 2008 technology there is no use for a cheap 2.5d game. None at all.

I already said yes to the idea of this being on wiiware. isnt the idea of wiiware for dev's with low budgets to make cheap inexpensive games. so wiiware it is. as long as it has nothing to do with the original storyline then i couldn't care less. so heres hoping for metroid 2.5d on wiiware.

I already said yes to the idea of this being on wiiware.

BrooklynHotBoy

Then why are you still arguing? lol

I agree that this game would work very well as a WiiWare purchase.

Yet, whether it's WiiWare or on a disc, I would definitely buy it. In my opinion, 2.5D gameplay is still enjoyable. Hell, 2D gameplay is still fun to me!

2d games aren't sellers now a days.

BrooklynHotBoy

Yeah, no one makes side scrolling platformers anymore, right?

A quick search on gamespot shows:

Wii: Lost Winds; Eternity's Child

360: Braid; Little Gamers

PS3: Elefunk; PixelJunk Eden

PC: Fez; Pirate Loves Ninja

There's 2 NEW side scrolling platformers for each major system that are coming out soon. That's right, brand new 2-D side scrolling games on all major consoles. I'm sure there's even more examples out there, but this isn't a college paper, so I'm not going to do any real research, hehe. I just wanted to point out that 2-D gaming is still alive and they DO sell. If not, then no one would bother making them.

As I said before, there's room in this world for ALL game types. Why the 2-D hate?

[QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]

I already said yes to the idea of this being on wiiware.

Mike1978Smith

Then why are you still arguing? lol

good question. what was yours? on yea to insult me as a gamer. i forgot

[QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]

2d games aren't sellers now a days.

Mike1978Smith

Yeah, no one makes side scrolling platformers anymore, right?

A quick search on gamespot shows:

Wii: Lost Winds; Eternity's Child

360: Braid; Little Gamers

PS3: Elefunk; PixelJunk Eden

PC: Fez; Pirate Loves Ninja

There's 2 NEW side scrolling platformers for each major system that are coming out soon. That's right, brand new 2-D side scrolling games on all major consoles. I'm sure there's even more examples out there, but this isn't a college paper, so I'm not going to do any real research, hehe. I just wanted to point out that 2-D gaming is still alive and they DO sell. If not, then no one would bother making them.

As I said before, there's room in this world for ALL game types. Why the 2-D hate?

i said they don't sell and you're going on a rant about them still being made.

little reading comprehension problem going on here.

[QUOTE="Mike1978Smith"][QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]

I already said yes to the idea of this being on wiiware.

BrooklynHotBoy

Then why are you still arguing? lol

good question. what was yours? on yea to insult me as a gamer. i forgot

I never insulted you. :question:

[QUOTE="Mike1978Smith"][QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]

2d games aren't sellers now a days.

BrooklynHotBoy

Yeah, no one makes side scrolling platformers anymore, right?

A quick search on gamespot shows:

Wii: Lost Winds; Eternity's Child

360: Braid; Little Gamers

PS3: Elefunk; PixelJunk Eden

PC: Fez; Pirate Loves Ninja

There's 2 NEW side scrolling platformers for each major system that are coming out soon. That's right, brand new 2-D side scrolling games on all major consoles. I'm sure there's even more examples out there, but this isn't a college paper, so I'm not going to do any real research, hehe. I just wanted to point out that 2-D gaming is still alive and they DO sell. If not, then no one would bother making them.

As I said before, there's room in this world for ALL game types. Why the 2-D hate?

i said they don't sell and you're going on a rant about them still being made.

little reading comprehension problem going on here.

You said they don't sell and I provided info on them still having a place in the market (ie: selling).

Where's the problem?

Leave now and go work for Nintendo only come when you have info on the gamestarmetroid

This game NEEDS to happen. It's a perfect fit for WiiWare, just as Bionic Commando ReArmed is a perfect fit on the other systems. I would buy it and then gift it to anyone who doubted its awesomeness...

As an upgraded remake, it could follow Super Metroid very closely, and still be a blast to play.

When it comes to 2.5D gameplay, I'd love to see a system where you could look down a perpendicular hallway and maybe shoot using the pointer from that perspective before turning the corner for more platforming. Hopefully in another game down the line...

That picture is awesome, by the way!