Anyone else getting annoyed with the VC?

I couldn't wait for the virtual console, it was (imo) going to be the coolest thing about the Wii. Now that i've had the Wii since launch...all I'm seeing is release after release of games I already own on compilation discs on ps2 etc. Why would I spend $5-$10 on a single game when I can buy 20-30 games on the collection discs for $20?

 I just don't get why they keep releasing games that have already been re-released in the past few years. So far the only standouts to me are Starfox, Castlevania, Punch Out and Mario Kart 64. There's obviously a few more goodies in there but come on already! Where's Metroid/Super Metroid, Demons Crest, Blackthorne, Rock and Roll Racing, R.C. Pro Am, Killer Instinct, Truxton, Legendary Axe, Shadowrun etc.? The list is absolutely endless and they keep releasing 1-3 games a week that blow...how many of you bought Romance of the III Kingdoms 900 a few wks back? That's what I thought.

 With the number of games on all of those systems, I just don't understand why they're releasing so many turds when they literally have 1000's of titles they could release. I dunno, end rant I guess, but Ninty is really starting to annoy me. :evil:

Nintendo gains nothing by holding back their best classic games. What does it matter if I buy Super Metroid now or a year from now? It doesn't matter at all profit wise. All of these games have already been released so its not like they are improving them somehow in order to ensure higher sales.TheLordMagnus

Its so you'll buy the medicore one's whilst waiting for the good games. As well as stretching out the top old school titles so there's there's always something to look forward to. 

[QUOTE="TheLordMagnus"]Nintendo gains nothing by holding back their best classic games. What does it matter if I buy Super Metroid now or a year from now? It doesn't matter at all profit wise. All of these games have already been released so its not like they are improving them somehow in order to ensure higher sales.tomarlyn

Its so you'll buy the medicore one's whilst waiting for the good games. As well as stretching out the top old school titles so there's there's always something to look forward to.

yep, thats business..

[QUOTE="TheLordMagnus"]Nintendo gains nothing by holding back their best classic games. What does it matter if I buy Super Metroid now or a year from now? It doesn't matter at all profit wise. All of these games have already been released so its not like they are improving them somehow in order to ensure higher sales.tomarlyn

Its so you'll buy the medicore one's whilst waiting for the good games. As well as stretching out the top old school titles so there's there's always something to look forward to. 

In my mind, it's all about the "looking forward to." Wii owners can rely on new games for the Wii every Monday even if nothing else is coming out for the Wii. Monday mornings are always exciting for me.

I wouldn't say I'm annoyed, but if games are going to have 'delays' in the controls like for Punch Out!  I'm just not going to be purchasing them.  I was really, really let down when I heard that and will now always think twice before purchasing a VC game.

If I could make a suggestion to Nintendo, I would create a game poll that users could submit which games we would like to see released. By announcing the release of the top vote getters for the week, it would at least give fans the illusion that Nintendo cares (Although, I wouldn't hold my breath on it).

I'm still waiting for my paper mario from the 64 lol. Its cool they're putting all these out there, but there are some wtf moments with some of the games. But for the most part its a cool thing, seeing as how sony is copying what nintendo is doing now (first motion sensing, then their mii clones, then the downloadable games) so obviously nintendo is onto something.Kakua_Omari

One thing that really turns me off is the inability to save the games externally.  I guess Nintendo enforced this to prevent piracy, but I don't like the idea of something potentially happening to my Wii and voila, all the money I spent on those games just went down the tube.

i challenge you to find a game for the price it is on vc that will boot every time with no porblems. also to whole not having to have like 5 systems on your tv all of which must boot up every time with out problem.

most of those games you have to order offline and with shipping is prolly more plus thats assuming that you have the console and even then then quality would prolly be worse.

the price is fine.
theICE_MAN

>.> DONE... seriously that was a retarded challenge... when I was a kid (younger around 9-12) I did have the latest systems out (I think the n64 not really sure, but that sounds right) and I still went out and bought nes/snes games all the time... and guess how much they were.... five dollars for four games, I could get them at the pawnshop for that much, it didn't matter what games they were, it was always five dollars for four games... not only that, BUT those games NEVER messed up on me.... anyhow, the price of the games aren't that bad, it's the games themselves... the games generally suck, I mean sure some are hella awsome (oot for example) along with others (basically any mario game, dk , ect..) it's just I want to see something "different" as in good... without hooking up a snes  to the Tv and such...  I mean at least get some good 2d fighting games out there, (killer instinct)

I'm certainly annoyed by the prices. Sure, they're reasonable compared to the original carts, but compared to compilations, they're a rip. Think about it - you can buy Sonic Mega Collection for about 20 bucks and get about 10 Genesis games (plus a Sega CD game on one of the versions) to play on your GC/Wii. It would cost you 70 or 80 dollars (I forget the exact price of Genesis games) to do the same on VC.

Yeah, I buy them anyway, but it really wouldn't hurt to lower the prices by a couple bucks.  At least it's not as much of a rip as the GBA retro line - 20 bucks for an NES port?!

I definitely haven't been disappointed by the volume of games on VC. But then I see games like Virtua Figher 2 and Bravo Man, and I am absolutely bemused. Who considered titles like these to be classics again?

Otherwise, for the most part I'm ok with the selection that has been released. As expected, Nintendo is only sprinkling the REAL classics one by one--and why wouldn't they? If they are going to release all the classics at once the novelty will wear off much faster, as the collection of AAA games is by no means vast enough to provide for a sustainable online service. Also, I'm sure a lot of those games, while not excellente, bring back sweet memories to people. I sure as heck don't see Comix Zone as a perfect game, but I remember being greatly amused by the panel layout and crisp styling of the game when it first game out. A lot of people will by the borderline classics merely because of the nostalgia--you know, the sepia effect :)

As for prices, remember that VC games are a 1-up on the cart originals mostly because of their convenience. With the VC game, you can't lose them once you've bought them. Even if the game is deleted off your memory, or by some other means corrupted, you can simply re-download it because of Nintendo's one-time buy policy. And as for any service where you buy the product from home, the price is higher due to the convenience of not going to the store to make the purchase. I still think $8 is a bit high for any sega or nintendo games though.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="TheLordMagnus"]Nintendo gains nothing by holding back their best classic games. What does it matter if I buy Super Metroid now or a year from now? It doesn't matter at all profit wise. All of these games have already been released so its not like they are improving them somehow in order to ensure higher sales.reggie186

Its so you'll buy the medicore one's whilst waiting for the good games. As well as stretching out the top old school titles so there's there's always something to look forward to.

In my mind, it's all about the "looking forward to." Wii owners can rely on new games for the Wii every Monday even if nothing else is coming out for the Wii. Monday mornings are always exciting for me.

Yeah even though I have little interest in it personally (still have the original games I ever wanted), its always interesting to see anything new. Don't buy Splatterhouse!!1 

Buy all of the games and you'll receive a secret prize!

Hint: The secret prize involves lots and lots of green rectangles. 

I couldn't wait for the virtual console, it was (imo) going to be the coolest thing about the Wii. Now that i've had the Wii since launch...all I'm seeing is release after release of games I already own on compilation discs on ps2 etc. Why would I spend $5-$10 on a single game when I can buy 20-30 games on the collection discs for $20?

 I just don't get why they keep releasing games that have already been re-released in the past few years. So far the only standouts to me are Starfox, Castlevania, Punch Out and Mario Kart 64. There's obviously a few more goodies in there but come on already! Where's Metroid/Super Metroid, Demons Crest, Blackthorne, Rock and Roll Racing, R.C. Pro Am, Killer Instinct, Truxton, Legendary Axe, Shadowrun etc.? The list is absolutely endless and they keep releasing 1-3 games a week that blow...how many of you bought Romance of the III Kingdoms 900 a few wks back? That's what I thought.

 With the number of games on all of those systems, I just don't understand why they're releasing so many turds when they literally have 1000's of titles they could release. I dunno, end rant I guess, but Ninty is really starting to annoy me. :evil:

dalamar03

That's a great point.  Nintendo should be phoning you up personally, finding out what games YOU want released on VC and then doing what you want.  After all, what is the point in even having VC as an option if every single Wii owner isn't buying every single game that comes out for VC?

I expect they are just pacing their releases so all the best games aren't released all at once. I also expect some releases will be timed to coincide with Wii games. I wouldn't be suprised if super metroid comes out around the same time as Prime 3.

I couldn't wait for the virtual console, it was (imo) going to be the coolest thing about the Wii. Now that i've had the Wii since launch...all I'm seeing is release after release of games I already own on compilation discs on ps2 etc. Why would I spend $5-$10 on a single game when I can buy 20-30 games on the collection discs for $20?

 I just don't get why they keep releasing games that have already been re-released in the past few years. So far the only standouts to me are Starfox, Castlevania, Punch Out and Mario Kart 64. There's obviously a few more goodies in there but come on already! Where's Metroid/Super Metroid, Demons Crest, Blackthorne, Rock and Roll Racing, R.C. Pro Am, Killer Instinct, Truxton, Legendary Axe, Shadowrun etc.? The list is absolutely endless and they keep releasing 1-3 games a week that blow...how many of you bought Romance of the III Kingdoms 900 a few wks back? That's what I thought.

 With the number of games on all of those systems, I just don't understand why they're releasing so many turds when they literally have 1000's of titles they could release. I dunno, end rant I guess, but Ninty is really starting to annoy me. :evil:

dalamar03

Think about what you just said but from another perspective...If N has hundreds and games worthy of being on the vc, why woudl they want to release all of them(the good ones) within the first few years, or the first two years, for example? That woudl make it even worse for when the system got older and hit its life expectancy of 5 years or whatever...By then, all the cool vc games will have been out and N wont make hardly any money off of vc games near the later stage of its life...Not good for N.

So, they stagnate the release of the good games on the vc over time, alittle here and a little there...That way, N keeps them coming out slowly but surely, peopel will expect a few games every couple of weeks, adn the life of the vc stays fresher this way.

Its all about patience. Same as N releasing all of their smoking guns(aaa games)during the first year of the wii...Just not smart business practice to do it that way.

[QUOTE="dalamar03"]

I couldn't wait for the virtual console, it was (imo) going to be the coolest thing about the Wii. Now that i've had the Wii since launch...all I'm seeing is release after release of games I already own on compilation discs on ps2 etc. Why would I spend $5-$10 on a single game when I can buy 20-30 games on the collection discs for $20?

 I just don't get why they keep releasing games that have already been re-released in the past few years. So far the only standouts to me are Starfox, Castlevania, Punch Out and Mario Kart 64. There's obviously a few more goodies in there but come on already! Where's Metroid/Super Metroid, Demons Crest, Blackthorne, Rock and Roll Racing, R.C. Pro Am, Killer Instinct, Truxton, Legendary Axe, Shadowrun etc.? The list is absolutely endless and they keep releasing 1-3 games a week that blow...how many of you bought Romance of the III Kingdoms 900 a few wks back? That's what I thought.

 With the number of games on all of those systems, I just don't understand why they're releasing so many turds when they literally have 1000's of titles they could release. I dunno, end rant I guess, but Ninty is really starting to annoy me. :evil:

Rosencrantz

That's a great point.  Nintendo should be phoning you up personally, finding out what games YOU want released on VC and then doing what you want.  After all, what is the point in even having VC as an option if every single Wii owner isn't buying every single game that comes out for VC?

 Yea, they should. I'm the consumer, what makes me happy is what makes them more money and I'm not happy...any more failed attempts at wiseassery? >.> I'm saying they have THOUSANDS of titles between how many systems...5? They release 1-3 or so a week, mostly that blow. How long do 1/2 of you defending Nintendo releasing crap and small amounts of it, think the Wii's life is going to be? If they continue releasing at the rate they are now...they might have half the games out (if that) for those consoles by 2239.

 Half the games from the Genesis collection and the Capcom Classics games are on the VC, and those 2 compilations are not THAT old. So basically take away all the games that are on the collection discs and whatever is left is how many games I feel they actually released for the VC since November and that's sad. I don't think all Wii owners were sitting home since the SNES w/out a console just waiting for Wii. Plenty of people, I would assume had access to buying these compilations and for MUCH cheaper than VC.

 It just annoys me how many games they have accesible and are I'm sure more than capable of releasing and still making a hefty profit on. Yet they release games that have been re-released 100x now or games that like 1 homeless guy in Quebec remembers seeing in a window at K-mart when he was 5 9and he remembered it sucking). So far I'm more than impressed with the Wii games themselves (even Excite Truck is fun), but the VC? Noway, gonna take a hell of alot more convincing before I go out and by any more points.

Nintendo would be stupid if they released every single classic they have during a 6-month span. They got to hold some games, I know thwy have a huge classic library, but if all those games had already been released, the VC would be annoying.

Nintendo would be stupid if they released every single classic they have during a 6-month span. They got to hold some games, I know thwy have a huge classic library, but if all those games had already been released, the VC would be annoying.

Pierst179

Wow, you are so right. I mean, if every game everyone wanted was available for purchase then they would just rush out and buy them! What a travesty! 

I'm enjoyning the VC greatly.  Not disappointed in the slightest.  Eventually, we'll get all the great games....heck, we already have some of them..  Patience.StarkJJ

Exacly I mean I dont understand why people want more Zelda and mario games. I want some VC games Iv never played before or heard off. Thats the main reason I was happy about VC, so I can play NEW games.

[QUOTE="Pierst179"]

Nintendo would be stupid if they released every single classic they have during a 6-month span. They got to hold some games, I know thwy have a huge classic library, but if all those games had already been released, the VC would be annoying.

Velric

Wow, you are so right. I mean, if every game everyone wanted was available for purchase then they would just rush out and buy them! What a travesty! 

OK lets say NINTENDO put out all the games everyone wanted in one month span. What would you think will happen to sells the coming months?

[QUOTE="Pierst179"]

Nintendo would be stupid if they released every single classic they have during a 6-month span. They got to hold some games, I know thwy have a huge classic library, but if all those games had already been released, the VC would be annoying.

Velric

Wow, you are so right. I mean, if every game everyone wanted was available for purchase then they would just rush out and buy them! What a travesty! 

that true that y u cant rush things

I'm only annoyed because every week I'm hoping at least 1 of the 3 games I want really badly will come out.  So far none of them have.  If you are wondering those 3 games are Kirby Superstar, Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario.  I also hope they release Zombies Ate My Neighbors but I think I heard that they might be releasing that on XBLA and if they do I would definately get it on there instead.froggut198

for me is a know is a long shot i want conker bad fur day

pm if u add me

Lol yeah, chances for that are about 1/1000000  Rare wasn't even allowed to keep Conker on the DS version of Diddy Kong Racing.  Would be nice if they were able to release Banjo Kazooie and Conkers Bad Fur Day though.froggut198

conker is way better on the n64 then it is on the xbox

There's one perspective that some people don't realize; the online exchange and it's rate. There's really no point to developing a VC universe and it's huge library and not having the ability to pick the one you want. Seriously, give them some time.

Their first official system that goes online and boasts awesome online accesibility would suck if it was set up on a crappy online sector. I think they'll wisen up soon in the future and realize that it's only business savy to release as many games as possible, or more near the end of the system.

There's a theory that just popped in my mind too... Nintendo might purposely wait until the estimated half life of the system to realease many of the most sought after VC games. Drive demand, and when demand wheens, release more of what people want. Also direct competition against the games that are newly published, actual Wii games.

 Thoughts?

i challenge you to find a game for the price it is on vc that will boot every time with no porblems. also to whole not having to have like 5 systems on your tv all of which must boot up every time with out problem.

most of those games you have to order offline and with shipping is prolly more plus thats assuming that you have the console and even then then quality would prolly be worse.

the price is fine.
theICE_MAN

Exactly.

Lets get out the following out of the way.

Zombies Ate My Neighbors is coming to the vc. It has been rated by the ESRB and the other terriorities agencies should rate it when Konami offers it to them to review. XBLA is not getting Zombies Ate My Neigbors. You are confused because there is a game coming out for the xbox 360/PC that is in the spirit of ZAMN.

Games have to be rated by their respective agencies that takes time!!! The licensing issues have to be worked out!!! That takes time. The game has to be bug tested, manual added, save interup function added along with other necessary coding. That takes time!!!

Also this a thing the **** don't seem to realise not everyone wants a comliation disc with twenty games when they only want one or two games from it.

Get your head out of your butt there are plenty of great games on the vc that you have never played but you the supposed hardcore gamer turn your nose up at for example Chew Man Fu, Dragon's Curse.

Most of the people that are buying the wii never owned a great many of those consoles offered on the vc. They don't own a PS2 or PS1 except for perhaps using it to play Singstar or DDR so those compliations discs never existed in their view.

How many of you complainers about the vc have ever played Battle Load Runner because most of you don't seem to be checking what has come out before or comes out each week.

Btw Punch Out doesn't lag. You just don't seem to realize that the old games are just harder. Halo Legendary mode was the standard hard mode on NES games.

I'd say the most disappointing part of the VC is the price for what you get.

Given that Nintendo is providing a rather basic emulator, it's disappointing to see the games priced so high. If Nintendo lowered the prices, I think you'd see people making more impulse purchases. I'd say $3 for NES, $5 SNES/Genesis, and $8 for N64 is a bit closer to where they should be.

However, as we all probably know, PC emulators sometimes have online play. Now, had Nintendo made their emulator include that, I would more than happy to purchase some games again for that reason alone. But they didn't, and it really does seem chintzy. 

[QUOTE="froggut198"]Lol yeah, chances for that are about 1/1000000 Rare wasn't even allowed to keep Conker on the DS version of Diddy Kong Racing. Would be nice if they were able to release Banjo Kazooie and Conkers Bad Fur Day though.liljio14

conker is way better on the n64 then it is on the xbox

not really they're the same... 

how is ninty annoying u, when its the 3rd party games and such that are coming out? i am sure nintendo games aren't on ps2 compilation discs as well, so it seem that the VC games just happen to be released on other discs before. and the VC choices are wonky, considering different company ownerships, different focuses and maybe lack of porting ability.grafkhun

I'd say the most disappointing part of the VC is the price for what you get.

Given that Nintendo is providing a rather basic emulator, it's disappointing to see the games priced so high. If Nintendo lowered the prices, I think you'd see people making more impulse purchases. I'd say $3 for NES, $5 SNES/Genesis, and $8 for N64 is a bit closer to where they should be.

However, as we all probably know, PC emulators sometimes have online play. Now, had Nintendo made their emulator include that, I would more than happy to purchase some games again for that reason alone. But they didn't, and it really does seem chintzy. 

Vampyronight

exactly