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#1 Pices
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Nothing confirmed, but still a reassuring thought from the guys over at 2K.

2K Tech Director Chris Kline posted:


"I don't think there's anything preventing the game complexity of BioShock from being on the Wii."

Ok, now this is the TECH DIRECTOR, so he knows what he is talking about. Criticisms about the Wii's power will NOT help.

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#2 WhiteSnake5000
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Well it's entirely possible, although it definitely would have to be remade with an entirely different graphics engine.
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#3 tommy--F
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Don't hold your breath for it buddy.
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#4 hyperkass
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That would be great.

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#5 elbert_b_23
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Don't hold your breath for it buddy.tommy--F
with dead space, and dead rising wii games a bio shock one could be next if they do i just hope its not another rail shooter
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#6 LOLhahaDEAD
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I doubt it'll ever happen, but that'd definitely be awesome.

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#7 Michael85
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Technically, there's really nothing in bioshock that couldn't be done on Wii with a bit of a visual downgrade. But good luck getting anyone in marketting to listen to you.

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#8 JimmyJames210
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I want Bioshock Wii

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#9 AmnesiaHaze
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it would be on rails if you ask me if it should come to wii considering the last games , hope ill finish bio btw before the sequels comes

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#10 da_chub
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just for fun, i turned the settings all the way down on my PC to play bioshock, and it looks terrible. COD-5 and MP3 looks much better, so i think the Wii can handle it with the same engine, and just down graded graphics. And hey, i dont play games for graphics, and bioshock is a great game, so maybe we will see it on the Wii. NOT ON RAILS THOUGH!!!
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#11 Rocky32189
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Bioshock rail shooter confirmed?
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#12 livinitup01
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Who knows, maybe they'll make a Bioshock on-rails shooter. ;) Bioshock looks amazing, I'd rather play a new entry when the Wii has more horsepower. Maybe they can make a Bioshock Zero which is the pre-story to Bioshock so the graphics don't have to compete with the 360 version.
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#13 JimmyJames210
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it would be on rails if you ask me if it should come to wii considering the last games , hope ill finish bio btw before the sequels comes

AmnesiaHaze

2K are not going to make the same mistake that EA and Capcom made, Bioshock Wii if it were to come out would be an FPS.

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#14 mesc420
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Well it's entirely possible, although it definitely would have to be remade with an entirely different graphics engine. WhiteSnake5000

Yeah exactly,theres no way the Wii can handle THOSE graphics. BioShock has some of, if not the best graphics i've ever seen in a video game.

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#15 WhiteSnake5000
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just for fun, i turned the settings all the way down on my PC to play bioshock, and it looks terrible. COD-5 and MP3 looks much better, so i think the Wii can handle it with the same engine, and just down graded graphics. And hey, i dont play games for graphics, and bioshock is a great game, so maybe we will see it on the Wii. NOT ON RAILS THOUGH!!!da_chub
If Digital Extremes ever decides to put Bioshock on the Wii, I can guarantee that it won't look like the game on low settings. First of all, the chances of the Unreal Engine 3 coming to Wii are slim as it is, Epic definitely doesn't want to do it because of hardware limitations, so it's up to a third party to do it and I'm positive that Digital Extremes wouldn't want to do that. They would most likely use a different graphics engine. So it's only speculating to say that's how a Wii version would look.
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#16 wetwilli64
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Silly Rabbit! Bioshock is for PS360! :D

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#17 JordanElek
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[QUOTE="AmnesiaHaze"]

it would be on rails if you ask me if it should come to wii considering the last games , hope ill finish bio btw before the sequels comes

JimmyJames210

2K are not going to make the same mistake that EA and Capcom made, Bioshock Wii if it were to come out would be an FPS.

Mistake? We'll see how the games sell, then we can say whether it was a bad decision or not. So far with Capcom we have evidence that the first RE rail shooter was a success. 2K won't be looking at the preferences of a few gamers if they consider a Bioshock Wii game. They'll be looking at the market as a whole. World at War showed that the Wii is a viable console for FPS games, and hopefully The Conduit will do the same (both in terms of sales).

What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it'd be a mistake regardless of which direction - rail shooter or FPS - they might choose. But I do think that a downgraded port of the original would be a mistake, simply because most people who wanted to play the game already have.

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#18 Michael85
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[QUOTE="JimmyJames210"]

[QUOTE="AmnesiaHaze"]

it would be on rails if you ask me if it should come to wii considering the last games , hope ill finish bio btw before the sequels comes

JordanElek

2K are not going to make the same mistake that EA and Capcom made, Bioshock Wii if it were to come out would be an FPS.

Mistake? We'll see how the games sell, then we can say whether it was a bad decision or not. So far with Capcom we have evidence that the first RE rail shooter was a success. 2K won't be looking at the preferences of a few gamers if they consider a Bioshock Wii game. They'll be looking at the market as a whole. World at War showed that the Wii is a viable console for FPS games, and hopefully The Conduit will do the same (both in terms of sales).

What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it'd be a mistake regardless of which direction - rail shooter or FPS - they might choose. But I do think that a downgraded port of the original would be a mistake, simply because most people who wanted to play the game already have.

I disagree with this. The highest-selling rail shooter barely broke a million. If that's "looking at the market as a whole", then I don't know what you'd call the games that sell in the multi-millions.

The only logical answer is that it's cheaper to produce a rail shooter than a FPS, and companies don't want to spend the extra money.

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#19 JordanElek
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I disagree with this. The highest-selling rail shooter barely broke a million. If that's "looking at the market as a whole", then I don't know what you'd call the games that sell in the multi-millions.Michael85
Which Wii FPS has sold in the multi-millions? Umbrella Chronicles has outsold all the FPS games, though World at War has done very well and will probably surpass it. Even the House of the Dead arcade port has done better than most Wii FPS games. By "the market as a whole" I meant the Wii market as a whole, as opposed to just gamers on forums. We make up a very small portion of the Wii audience.

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#20 mikeyboygts
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A Wii owner who wants to play Bioshock should do one of several things.

1) Play it on PC

2) Play it on Xbox360

3) Play it on PS3

The graphics in this game are so amazing that it totally immerses you in Bioshocks world. Dumbing down the graphics would hurt this beautiful game. Don't wish for a dumb down port.

The Wii may be a good system but Wii owners (especially the people who only own a Wii) should understand what they are getting and supporting.

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#21 snipe12388
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[QUOTE="AmnesiaHaze"]

it would be on rails if you ask me if it should come to wii considering the last games , hope ill finish bio btw before the sequels comes

JimmyJames210

2K are not going to make the same mistake that EA and Capcom made, Bioshock Wii if it were to come out would be an FPS.

Mistake? UC was a great game. The new DC looks like Resident Evil is going back to its roots, and Dead Space looks to please as well. If you mean having original content is a mistake, then I don't know what a success to you is.
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#22 Michael85
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[QUOTE="Michael85"]I disagree with this. The highest-selling rail shooter barely broke a million. If that's "looking at the market as a whole", then I don't know what you'd call the games that sell in the multi-millions.JordanElek

Which Wii FPS has sold in the multi-millions? Umbrella Chronicles has outsold all the FPS games, though World at War has done very well and will probably surpass it. Even the House of the Dead arcade port has done better than most Wii FPS games. By "the market as a whole" I meant the Wii market as a whole, as opposed to just gamers on forums. We make up a very small portion of the Wii audience.

Who mentioned FPS? I said titles selling in the multi millions: Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports, Brawl, Galaxy, Zelda, etc. Nobody said anything about FPS games.

Rail shooters are not looking at the whole market. At the very best, they've managed to peak at 1/40th of the market and lowering.

Umbrella Cronicles didn't outdo Red Steel, nor has it outdone Metroid (if you count that as a FPS).

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#23 JimmyJames210
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[QUOTE="JimmyJames210"]

[QUOTE="AmnesiaHaze"]

it would be on rails if you ask me if it should come to wii considering the last games , hope ill finish bio btw before the sequels comes

JordanElek

2K are not going to make the same mistake that EA and Capcom made, Bioshock Wii if it were to come out would be an FPS.

Mistake? We'll see how the games sell, then we can say whether it was a bad decision or not. So far with Capcom we have evidence that the first RE rail shooter was a success. 2K won't be looking at the preferences of a few gamers if they consider a Bioshock Wii game. They'll be looking at the market as a whole. World at War showed that the Wii is a viable console for FPS games, and hopefully The Conduit will do the same (both in terms of sales).

What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it'd be a mistake regardless of which direction - rail shooter or FPS - they might choose. But I do think that a downgraded port of the original would be a mistake, simply because most people who wanted to play the game already have.

Successful on-rail shooters? Ha, no such thing.

Just because it sales, doesn't mean it isa success.

If it were up to me, I would ban them from the Wii console.

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#24 piratedrunk
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[QUOTE="JordanElek"]

[QUOTE="JimmyJames210"]

2K are not going to make the same mistake that EA and Capcom made, Bioshock Wii if it were to come out would be an FPS.

JimmyJames210

Mistake? We'll see how the games sell, then we can say whether it was a bad decision or not. So far with Capcom we have evidence that the first RE rail shooter was a success. 2K won't be looking at the preferences of a few gamers if they consider a Bioshock Wii game. They'll be looking at the market as a whole. World at War showed that the Wii is a viable console for FPS games, and hopefully The Conduit will do the same (both in terms of sales).

What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it'd be a mistake regardless of which direction - rail shooter or FPS - they might choose. But I do think that a downgraded port of the original would be a mistake, simply because most people who wanted to play the game already have.

Successful on-rail shooters? Ha, no such thing.

Just because it sales, doesn't mean it isa success.

If it were up to me, I would ban them from the Wii console.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't a success. Clearly a lot of people enjoyed the game. I personally don't like most sports games.. doesn't mean I think they should be banned or shouldn't be considered a success by the people who are into them. If you don't like it, you don't need to buy it.

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#25 JordanElek
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Who mentioned FPS? I said titles selling in the multi millions: Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports, Brawl, Galaxy, Zelda, etc. Nobody said anything about FPS games.

Rail shooters are not looking at the whole market. At the very best, they've managed to peak at 1/40th of the market and lowering.

Umbrella Cronicles didn't outdo Red Steel, nor has it outdone Metroid (if you count that as a FPS).

Michael85

Ah, I see. I just didn't consider those games because Bioshock wouldn't fit easily into any of those categories. Obviously they have to look at the relevant part of the market. They're not going to say, "Hmm... Galaxy sold great on the Wii, so how will a game from the Bioshock universe sell?" They can see that the market favors games like the ones you mentioned, but that's not what they're going for. They'll look at similar franchises in similar genres. So my "market as a whole" comment was too broad, but again, my point was simply to distinguish the collective Wii audience from the much smaller die-hard Wii audience we have here in the forums.

Also, Umbrella Chronicles has outsold Red Steel according to VGChartz. I don't really count Metroid as an FPS, but even if we do, it's the only one that has outsold UC. Even if the sales numbers don't have pinpoint accuracy, we can at least see that good rail shooters don't sell worse than good FPS games, but good FPS don't sell that much worse than good rail shooters, either. Again, my point is that it wouldn't be a mistake for a developer to make a rail shooter at this point, nor would it be a mistake to make a good FPS. As long as it's a quality game, Wii gamers have shown that they'll buy it. But less than two million is a small number regardless, which is why developers have been so hesitant to bring that type of game to the Wii in the first place.

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[QUOTE="JimmyJames210"]

[QUOTE="JordanElek"] Mistake? We'll see how the games sell, then we can say whether it was a bad decision or not. So far with Capcom we have evidence that the first RE rail shooter was a success. 2K won't be looking at the preferences of a few gamers if they consider a Bioshock Wii game. They'll be looking at the market as a whole. World at War showed that the Wii is a viable console for FPS games, and hopefully The Conduit will do the same (both in terms of sales).

What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it'd be a mistake regardless of which direction - rail shooter or FPS - they might choose. But I do think that a downgraded port of the original would be a mistake, simply because most people who wanted to play the game already have.

piratedrunk

Successful on-rail shooters? Ha, no such thing.

Just because it sales, doesn't mean it isa success.

If it were up to me, I would ban them from the Wii console.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't a success. Clearly a lot of people enjoyed the game. I personally don't like most sports games.. doesn't mean I think they should be banned or shouldn't be considered a success by the people who are into them. If you don't like it, you don't need to buy it.

Then it is because of those people that we got a low, low quality on-rails RE game coming instead of a high, high quality RE4-like RE game.

This is why I don't like the casual market

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I really don't get why people think "casual" games are somehow destroying the industry. There will always be developers who make games people want to play just like there will always be musicians who play music people want to hear and people who make movies people want to see. Just because the type you like isn't as popular as it used to be doesn't mean it is gone completely you just need to look more carefully and perhaps research before deciding what system caters to your needs as a gamer? Personally right from the start I saw the Wii as a different kind of system that would be used in new and fun ways and it has been that for sure I never once thought it should be used for the same types of games we had been seeing that is why I picked up the other systems as well.

To get back on topic I think Bioshock would be cool on the Wii if a lot of care and attention was put into it but that level of effort probably wouldn't be worth it to the developer especially when they are working on a sequal.

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#28 fluffy_kins
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there will probably be an on-rails shooter version for the wii, if anything

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#29 Michael85
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Ah, I see. I just didn't consider those games because Bioshock wouldn't fit easily into any of those categories. Obviously they have to look at the relevant part of the market. They're not going to say, "Hmm... Galaxy sold great on the Wii, so how will a game from the Bioshock universe sell?" They can see that the market favors games like the ones you mentioned, but that's not what they're going for. They'll look at similar franchises in similar genres. So my "market as a whole" comment was too broad, but again, my point was simply to distinguish the collective Wii audience from the much smaller die-hard Wii audience we have here in the forums.

Also, Umbrella Chronicles has outsold Red Steel according to VGChartz. I don't really count Metroid as an FPS, but even if we do, it's the only one that has outsold UC. Even if the sales numbers don't have pinpoint accuracy, we can at least see that good rail shooters don't sell worse than good FPS games, but good FPS don't sell that much worse than good rail shooters, either. Again, my point is that it wouldn't be a mistake for a developer to make a rail shooter at this point, nor would it be a mistake to make a good FPS. As long as it's a quality game, Wii gamers have shown that they'll buy it. But less than two million is a small number regardless, which is why developers have been so hesitant to bring that type of game to the Wii in the first place.

JordanElek

I'm not talking about Bioshock either. I'm simply stating that rail shooters do not cater to the whole market, which they don't. Not even close, really.

But if I were to talk about Bioshock, I would point towards Metroid Prime 3, which Bioshock has more in common with than it does with, say, Halo. They both feature long, drawn-out single player campaigns with no multiplayer. They both have power up-based progression. They're both easily classified as FPS despite their adventure elements. Their shooting elements seem to be a means to exploration instead of the star of the show.Another title I'd throw in to this sub-genre is Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay. Now, considering that Metroid (last I checked, anyway) outsold Bioshock, I'd say that's a compelling reason to put Bioshock on the system. Then again, given Dead Space Extraction, it seems publishers want more than compelling reasons. *sigh*

I'm going to ignore your sales argument since you're citing vgchartz as a source, as I don't see that site as anywhere close to credible. The closest thing we have to a real source are the PR statements issues by Capcom and Ubisoft stating that UC sold 1 million and RS sold 1 million, respectively.

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#30 firefox59
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That would be awesome. I want to play Bioshock soooo badly.

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#31 snipe12388
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[QUOTE="piratedrunk"]

[QUOTE="JimmyJames210"]

Successful on-rail shooters? Ha, no such thing.

Just because it sales, doesn't mean it isa success.

If it were up to me, I would ban them from the Wii console.

JimmyJames210

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't a success. Clearly a lot of people enjoyed the game. I personally don't like most sports games.. doesn't mean I think they should be banned or shouldn't be considered a success by the people who are into them. If you don't like it, you don't need to buy it.

Then it is because of those people that we got a low, low quality on-rails RE game coming instead of a high, high quality RE4-like RE game.

This is why I don't like the casual market

How is Resident Evil in a casual market? Would your grandma play RE? Would you mom and sister after exercising in Wii Fit? Didn't think so. And your idea of a "low, low quality on-rails RE game" is pure opinion. From the trailer, it doesn't look low quality. It actually looks interesting, and seems to return to its roots, which people are begging for now that RE has turned more action. And if you wanted a "high, high quality RE4-like RE game", then RE5 should suit your needs.

On topic, I would like for an original Bioshock game on Wii. It could be an RPG, On-Rails, with black and white graphics, for all I care. As long as it is good, maintains the story, and provides more original content for Wii, how can I complain?

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#32 da_chub
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[QUOTE="da_chub"]just for fun, i turned the settings all the way down on my PC to play bioshock, and it looks terrible. COD-5 and MP3 looks much better, so i think the Wii can handle it with the same engine, and just down graded graphics. And hey, i dont play games for graphics, and bioshock is a great game, so maybe we will see it on the Wii. NOT ON RAILS THOUGH!!!WhiteSnake5000
If Digital Extremes ever decides to put Bioshock on the Wii, I can guarantee that it won't look like the game on low settings. First of all, the chances of the Unreal Engine 3 coming to Wii are slim as it is, Epic definitely doesn't want to do it because of hardware limitations, so it's up to a third party to do it and I'm positive that Digital Extremes wouldn't want to do that. They would most likely use a different graphics engine. So it's only speculating to say that's how a Wii version would look.

I read somewhere that someone was making a game for the Wii with the new unreal engine. Just like the COD-4 engine, it will look good, but not as good as the other versions. but you get better controls(if done right) then other consoles, so i dont mind a graphic down grade. Wiimote > Gamepad
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[QUOTE="JordanElek"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]I disagree with this. The highest-selling rail shooter barely broke a million. If that's "looking at the market as a whole", then I don't know what you'd call the games that sell in the multi-millions.Michael85

Which Wii FPS has sold in the multi-millions? Umbrella Chronicles has outsold all the FPS games, though World at War has done very well and will probably surpass it. Even the House of the Dead arcade port has done better than most Wii FPS games. By "the market as a whole" I meant the Wii market as a whole, as opposed to just gamers on forums. We make up a very small portion of the Wii audience.

Who mentioned FPS? I said titles selling in the multi millions: Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports, Brawl, Galaxy, Zelda, etc. Nobody said anything about FPS games.

Rail shooters are not looking at the whole market. At the very best, they've managed to peak at 1/40th of the market and lowering.

Umbrella Cronicles didn't outdo Red Steel, nor has it outdone Metroid (if you count that as a FPS).

Holy crap!

So you're saying we should have seen Wii Fit 2 by now and Wii Fit 3 by next year?

That's awesome

It's about time more people speak up about making more games like the ones that sell best!

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[QUOTE="Michael85"]

[QUOTE="JordanElek"] Which Wii FPS has sold in the multi-millions? Umbrella Chronicles has outsold all the FPS games, though World at War has done very well and will probably surpass it. Even the House of the Dead arcade port has done better than most Wii FPS games. By "the market as a whole" I meant the Wii market as a whole, as opposed to just gamers on forums. We make up a very small portion of the Wii audience.

Jaysonguy

Who mentioned FPS? I said titles selling in the multi millions: Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports, Brawl, Galaxy, Zelda, etc. Nobody said anything about FPS games.

Rail shooters are not looking at the whole market. At the very best, they've managed to peak at 1/40th of the market and lowering.

Umbrella Cronicles didn't outdo Red Steel, nor has it outdone Metroid (if you count that as a FPS).

Holy crap!

So you're saying we should have seen Wii Fit 2 by now and Wii Fit 3 by next year?

That's awesome

It's about time more people speak up about making more games like the ones that sell best!

Actually, that makes no sense. Wii Fit's still selling. There's no reason to spend money making a sequel when the original is in no danger of decreasing sales.

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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]

Who mentioned FPS? I said titles selling in the multi millions: Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports, Brawl, Galaxy, Zelda, etc. Nobody said anything about FPS games.

Rail shooters are not looking at the whole market. At the very best, they've managed to peak at 1/40th of the market and lowering.

Umbrella Cronicles didn't outdo Red Steel, nor has it outdone Metroid (if you count that as a FPS).

Michael85

Holy crap!

So you're saying we should have seen Wii Fit 2 by now and Wii Fit 3 by next year?

That's awesome

It's about time more people speak up about making more games like the ones that sell best!

Actually, that makes no sense. Wii Fit's still selling. There's no reason to spend money making a sequel when the original is in no danger of decreasing sales.

Since all of Nintendo's games have legs then you think we should get one of each per generation?

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#36 Michael85
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Since all of Nintendo's games have legs then you think we should get one of each per generation?

Jaysonguy

I don't think there's any reason to make a sequel to a game that's still selling.

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#37 Rocky32189
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Since all of Nintendo's games have legs then you think we should get one of each per generation?Jaysonguy
Hasn't that been Nintendo's general policy for the past two generations?
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#38 JimmyJames210
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[QUOTE="JimmyJames210"]

[QUOTE="piratedrunk"]

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't a success. Clearly a lot of people enjoyed the game. I personally don't like most sports games.. doesn't mean I think they should be banned or shouldn't be considered a success by the people who are into them. If you don't like it, you don't need to buy it.

snipe12388

Then it is because of those people that we got a low, low quality on-rails RE game coming instead of a high, high quality RE4-like RE game.

This is why I don't like the casual market

How is Resident Evil in a casual market? Would your grandma play RE? Would you mom and sister after exercising in Wii Fit? Didn't think so. And your idea of a "low, low quality on-rails RE game" is pure opinion. From the trailer, it doesn't look low quality. It actually looks interesting, and seems to return to its roots, which people are begging for now that RE has turned more action. And if you wanted a "high, high quality RE4-like RE game", then RE5 should suit your needs.

On topic, I would like for an original Bioshock game on Wii. It could be an RPG, On-Rails, with black and white graphics, for all I care. As long as it is good, maintains the story, and provides more original content for Wii, how can I complain?

How can anyone like a game in which you have ZERO control over you own character's movement?

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#39 JimmyJames210
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[QUOTE="Michael85"]

[QUOTE="JordanElek"] Which Wii FPS has sold in the multi-millions? Umbrella Chronicles has outsold all the FPS games, though World at War has done very well and will probably surpass it. Even the House of the Dead arcade port has done better than most Wii FPS games. By "the market as a whole" I meant the Wii market as a whole, as opposed to just gamers on forums. We make up a very small portion of the Wii audience.

Jaysonguy

Who mentioned FPS? I said titles selling in the multi millions: Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports, Brawl, Galaxy, Zelda, etc. Nobody said anything about FPS games.

Rail shooters are not looking at the whole market. At the very best, they've managed to peak at 1/40th of the market and lowering.

Umbrella Cronicles didn't outdo Red Steel, nor has it outdone Metroid (if you count that as a FPS).

Holy crap!

So you're saying we should have seen Wii Fit 2 by now and Wii Fit 3 by next year?

That's awesome

It's about time more people speak up about making more games like the ones that sell best!

Wii Fit, are you nuts?

Wii needs games like No More Heroes, like Madworld, like the Conduit, like Mario, Metroid, and Zelda.

There are already enough casual games to fill up the entire generation's worth.

There has barely been enough hardcore games worth for a year's worth.

This is why I am buying a Gaming PC from Dell, because developers are not dishing out enough "good" games. Plus, there are like a million different PC games that are good that I have not played, except half-life 2, that was awsome.

One more thing, Half-Life 2 ( the original one ) should come to Wii, because the Wii can run that one no problem, not so much Episodes 1 and 2.

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#40 JordanElek
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How can anyone like a game in which you have ZERO control over you own character's movement?JimmyJames210
I know this probably won't convince you, but I enjoy a good rail shooter. Umbrella Chronicles is the best one I've ever played, so I'll use that as an example.

  1. Non-stop action - With no control over your characters movements, you're forced into action even when you might not be ready for it. You can't run away when otherwise you would have.

  2. Old-school replayability - Just like some of the great cIassic games, each level is exactly the same each time you play it. To some, that might be a bad thing. But think about it in terms of memorization and mastery. The more you play it, the easier it becomes to play, and the higher the ranking you'll achieve. I've played all of the levels in UC many, many times, and I've only gotten the highest ranking in two or three of them.

  3. Hidden items - Because you have no control, you have to be creative in how you look for hidden items. Without rails, it'd be pretty easy to find hidden items; just search a room until there's nothing left to search. On rails, though, you don't have time to search every corner. This forces you to try new things that you never had time to before, which means you need to remember what you've done in the past and try different things.

  4. Co-op - On rails provides a completely different experience for two players than a regular shooter does. You can't just mindlessly shoot at everything on the screen, especially in the later levels. You'll get torn apart if you don't communicate and work effectively together. The same things are true for co-op games that aren't on-rails, but the experience is different. It's hard to describe.

  5. Better graphics - On the Wii, this is actually an important point. Since everything is predetermined, the developer can create much better looking environments and enemies than they otherwise could if the player were free to move unpredictably.

  6. Easy access - It's pick-up-and-play. I don't have to worry about dedicating a certain amount of time to it, because each level is about 15 minutes long or less. This is a huge deal for someone that can't often play games for hours (or even one hour) at a time.
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#41 JimmyJames210
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[QUOTE="JimmyJames210"]How can anyone like a game in which you have ZERO control over you own character's movement?JordanElek

I know this probably won't convince you, but I enjoy a good rail shooter. Umbrella Chronicles is the best one I've ever played, so I'll use that as an example.

  1. Non-stop action - With no control over your characters movements, you're forced into action even when you might not be ready for it. You can't run away when otherwise you would have.

  2. Old-school replayability - Just like some of the great cIassic games, each level is exactly the same each time you play it. To some, that might be a bad thing. But think about it in terms of memorization and mastery. The more you play it, the easier it becomes to play, and the higher the ranking you'll achieve. I've played all of the levels in UC many, many times, and I've only gotten the highest ranking in two or three of them.

  3. Hidden items - Because you have no control, you have to be creative in how you look for hidden items. Without rails, it'd be pretty easy to find hidden items; just search a room until there's nothing left to search. On rails, though, you don't have time to search every corner. This forces you to try new things that you never had time to before, which means you need to remember what you've done in the past and try different things.

  4. Co-op - On rails provides a completely different experience for two players than a regular shooter does. You can't just mindlessly shoot at everything on the screen, especially in the later levels. You'll get torn apart if you don't communicate and work effectively together. The same things are true for co-op games that aren't on-rails, but the experience is different. It's hard to describe.

  5. Better graphics - On the Wii, this is actually an important point. Since everything is predetermined, the developer can create much better looking environments and enemies than they otherwise could if the player were free to move unpredictably.

  6. Easy access - It's pick-up-and-play. I don't have to worry about dedicating a certain amount of time to it, because each level is about 15 minutes long or less. This is a huge deal for someone that can't often play games for hours (or even one hour) at a time.

On-rails does not mean better visuals, Galaxy has much better visuals technical not just artistic than all those rail shooters.

I played onslaught co-op similar to Left 4 Dead except you are shooting bugs instead of zombies, alot of fun, more so than co-op on-rails.

If RE UC was FPS instead of On-rails it would be better. This is an actually easy change to make, just delete the camera movement in the code for the on rails and paste in code for analog stick movement.

Forces you to go into action. Thats seems logical. "Ok, I need to reload, instead of running for cover to reload, I will reload while running into this huge group of zombies." Yeah, big problem there.

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#42 Jaysonguy
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Wii Fit, are you nuts?

Wii needs games like No More Heroes, like Madworld, like the Conduit, like Mario, Metroid, and Zelda.

JimmyJames210

You know Wii Fit sells more then all of those titles right?

Give it another year and it'll sell more then all those games combined

If we're going for in demand games that's what's in demand

Not an itty bitty 400 grand like No More Heroes

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Then it is because of those people that we got a low, low quality on-rails RE game coming instead of a high, high quality RE4-like RE game.

This is why I don't like the casual market

JimmyJames210

ha elitism rear its ugly head...lol, blame Capcom for their decision for being bias towards Wii, they hav the love for XBOX 360atm...

Im a gamer & I like rail shooters.

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#44 raahsnavj
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You know, Bioshock 2 comes out this year... if I really wanted to play the series I would probably focus on picking up one of the other systems it is actually on. Summer is almost here and it should be easy to save up with the game drought on the horizon...
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#45 Michael85
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Defending lightgun shooters when they're being made in place of better games doesn't make sense to me. Not when you have a competent developer making it.

Pretend Shaq decides to play an exhibition game for, I dunno, the Mavericks or something. But there's one catch: instead of playing like the post that he is, he's decided that he's going to shoot nothing but free throws. Say he makes four free throws out of five. For Shaq, that's absolutely fantastic. He sucks at free throws! We should all pat him on the back, right?Wrong. We should be pissed that he didn't post up and score 25 points instead of 8.

We shouldn't be happy that these great developers are shooting for merely "ok" when we know they are fully capable of shooting for "fantastic". Just as you shouldn't expect Shaq to score all of his points through free throws, you shouldn't expect capcom or ea to settle for light gun games when you know they can deliver critically acclaimed survival horror titles.

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Oh god. This is such a bad idea. But I really doubt that this will ever happen, so I'm not going to worry about it.
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Defending lightgun shooters when they're being made in place of better games doesn't make sense to me. Not when you have a competent developer making it.

Pretend Shaq decides to play an exhibition game for, I dunno, the Mavericks or something. But there's one catch: instead of playing like the post that he is, he's decided that he's going to shoot nothing but free throws. Say he makes four free throws out of five. For Shaq, that's absolutely fantastic. He sucks at free throws! We should all pat him on the back, right?Wrong. We should be pissed that he didn't post up and score 25 points instead of 8.

We shouldn't be happy that these great developers are shooting for merely "ok" when we know they are fully capable of shooting for "fantastic". Just as you shouldn't expect Shaq to score all of his points through free throws, you shouldn't expect capcom or ea to settle for light gun games when you know they can deliver critically acclaimed survival horror titles.

Michael85

And so every developer should always make the games you like? What if the games you consider to be fantastic aren't fun at all for other people. The problem is games are an art form and thus subject to opinion. There is no quality that makes a game perfect for everyone so you will get a wide variety of games. This is undoubtedly a good thing. You say the games you don't like are being made in place of other games (I will refrain from your use of better because as it is an opinion it only applies to you) when in actuality the other games you are talking about are often still in the works (and from the sounds of your opinion being made for other consoles). Developers like capcom always have a lot going on. They are big and usually have several projects on the go at the same time. They are no doubt working very hard at their next huge title and just use a smaller team to make fun light guns for the people who enjoy them, by people who enjoy them.

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[QUOTE="Michael85"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

So you're saying we should have seen Wii Fit 2 by now and Wii Fit 3 by next year?

That's awesome

It's about time more people speak up about making more games like the ones that sell best!

Jaysonguy

Actually, that makes no sense. Wii Fit's still selling. There's no reason to spend money making a sequel when the original is in no danger of decreasing sales.

Since all of Nintendo's games have legs then you think we should get one of each per generation?

Thats how Nintendo's always been rollin. We got one major mario game per console. Super Mario 64. Super Mario Sunshine. Super Mario Galaxy. Then there's Legend of Zelda. LOZ OOT. LOZ WW. LOZ TW. Metroid Prime seems to break from tradition though. See how it works? I doubt were gonna see another mario game for another 6 or more years.

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#49 JimmyJames210
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[QUOTE="JimmyJames210"]

Wii Fit, are you nuts?

Wii needs games like No More Heroes, like Madworld, like the Conduit, like Mario, Metroid, and Zelda.

Jaysonguy

You know Wii Fit sells more then all of those titles right?

Give it another year and it'll sell more then all those games combined

If we're going for in demand games that's what's in demand

Not an itty bitty 400 grand like No More Heroes

Dude, Zelda pretty much sold 1:1 with the console so don't dare say that Wii Fit beat it out, because it didn't

Wii Fit is just another one of those unnecessary mini-game collections you foolishly praise.

Wii needs games with substance

By the way, No More Heroes sold more than that.

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#50 JordanElek
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On-rails does not mean better visuals etc.JimmyJames210
You asked how people can enjoy on-rails shooters, and I gave you a straight answer. Now you know how people can have fun with them. Your response is basically "yeah, but that's not fun to me." Yet you asked how other people can have fun, not how we think that you might be able to have fun.... Face the fact that the gaming world doesn't revolve around your tastes, just as it doesn't revolve around mine.

Defending lightgun shooters when they're being made in place of better games doesn't make sense to me.Michael85

We all have the right to buy, play, and enjoy any game we want, and developers have the right to create any game they want. I've gotten hours and hours of enjoyment out of Umbrella Chronicles.... Why wouldn't I defend it?